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crazyisgood
01/11/19 12:10:21 AM
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Who do you blame? - Results (21 votes)
Donald Trump
61.9% (13 votes)
13
Mitch McConnell
0% (0 votes)
0
House Democrats
9.52% (2 votes)
2
House Republicans
0% (0 votes)
0
Senate Democrats
0% (0 votes)
0
Senate Republicans
9.52% (2 votes)
2
Nancy Pelosi
0% (0 votes)
0
Chuck Schumer
0% (0 votes)
0
All of the above
19.05% (4 votes)
4
Mixture of the above/other
0% (0 votes)
0
Who do you blame
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streamofthesky
01/11/19 12:15:08 AM
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Senate Republicans in general, Mitch McConnell specifically, and Donald Trump. In that order, I suppose.

Before the new Congress was sworn in, enough Senate republicans had been in favor of a compromise bill that had little to no wall funding. But now that the House is majority Democrat and supports such a bill, they're against it because they want to score some political points.

If the Senate Republicans voted on the bill the same way they were going to 3 weeks ago and then Trump vetoed the bill, I'd primarily blame Trump for the continued shutdown. But they're currently the ones standing in the way of ending this, so I blame them.
Firewood18
01/11/19 12:19:24 AM
3
The president because he said he would take the blame for his ludicrous haggling over an unneeded campaign promise.
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Mover_of_Zigs
01/11/19 12:23:22 AM
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darkknight109
01/11/19 12:30:59 AM
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Firewood18 posted...
The president because he said he would take the blame for his ludicrous haggling over an unneeded campaign promise.

This. Trump said - on national television - that he would be proud to shut down the government and wouldn't blame anyone else for it (before doing just that, because Trump). Close second goes to Senate Republicans, who could easily pass the bill that they already passed unanimously and override Trump's veto if they could pull their lips off his ass for three seconds.

Trump is the one making demands here and refusing to open the government until he gets his way. The House Democrats have already passed several bills, including the one that cleared the senate with unanimous consent, that could open the government.

There's absolutely no reason why Trump couldn't re-open the government and then continue negotiating at that point, other than he feels like this gives him leverage.

Also, what in the world are House Republicans doing on that list? Every other entry I can at least see the argument for, but the House Republicans have had almost zero impact on this shutdown.
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Yellow
01/11/19 12:32:54 AM
6
Donald Trump and his enablers
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dedbus
01/11/19 12:50:58 AM
7
The government shuts down all the time.
Zangulus
01/11/19 12:58:04 AM
8
dedbus posted...
The government shuts down all the time.


It actually doesn't, but ok.
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BlackScythe0
01/11/19 1:40:49 AM
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Trump said he would take the blame, and is largely to blame.

The freedom caucus was behind some of the trouble in the house if I remember correctly after the senate passed the funding bill.

Then that fucking old turtle is responsible for refusing to even let a vote happen in the senate.

Then you have the senate republicans who aren't putting enough effort into forcing that old turtle to pass it.
Zeus
01/11/19 1:45:10 AM
10
Everybody. It shouldn't be necessary to get to this point. Shit broke down long before a shutdown.
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Ogurisama
01/11/19 1:47:02 AM
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BlackScythe0
01/11/19 1:49:39 AM
12
Zeus posted...
Everybody. It shouldn't be necessary to get to this point. Shit broke down long before a shutdown.


I never voted for a republican I bear no responsibility for this.
coinstarcad
01/11/19 3:09:50 AM
13
I blame Hillary Clinton for sitting on her ass with a poor strategy while her opponent campaigned hard.
dainkinkaide
01/11/19 3:24:17 AM
14
dedbus posted...
The government shuts down all the time.

Apparently, they do if you're Ronald Reagan, who had as many gaps in federal government funding as he had years as President. But most of those only lasted a day or two.
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Katon
01/11/19 7:10:14 AM
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All of them
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b_hamnite
01/11/19 7:21:37 AM
16
All of the above. DC is a cesspool that has long needed to be drained.
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Entity13
01/11/19 7:22:29 AM
17
Fox News for calling Trump out on the deal that was voted upon, Trump for buckling to Fox as he does, and McConnell for refusing to let deals go forward, and then Pelosi and Schumer in their part of being feeble fossils lacking in the compassion or vigor to overrule Trump's crumbling ego.
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Lokarin
01/11/19 7:34:44 AM
18
You're a democracy... so all of yous
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Mead
01/11/19 8:03:12 AM
19
Lokarin posted...
You're a democracy... so all of yous


We arent actually, technically we never have been
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Entity13
01/11/19 9:07:26 AM
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Mead posted...
Lokarin posted...
You're a democracy... so all of yous


We arent actually, technically we never have been


At most we're like an artificially-democracy-flavored republic if that artificial flavor has long since spoiled over the years, and lots of people are still eating it up like it's the real and best thing ever. Basically the supporters of our civic structure are like fans of month-old red velvet cake. The chocolate and red food coloring were already poor quality, but time does it no favors except in the opinions of those poor, poor souls who don't know any better.
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gguirao
01/11/19 11:37:49 AM
21
Ultimately, Trump. He initiated it and has the greatest potential to stop it.
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old_school227
01/11/19 3:08:41 PM
22
"Problems start from the top, and they have to get solved from the top, and the presidents the leader, and hes got to get everybody in a room, and hes got to lead. And he doesnt do that, he doesnt like doing that, thats not his strength. And that's why you have this horrible situation going on in Washington its a very very bad thing and its very embarrassing world wide"
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papercup
01/11/19 3:27:51 PM
23
Trump. He said he'd take the blame so I'm happily obliging him.
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SKARDAVNELNATE
01/11/19 3:36:06 PM
24
Democrats, they started doing this last administration to push their agenda. Now it's coming back around.
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Oops_All_Berrys
01/11/19 3:37:02 PM
25
Dumbocraps and the Repukicants
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Golden Road
01/11/19 4:06:38 PM
26
Well, Trump has said he was willing to compromise, as long as he got absolutely everything he's asking for. Can you really fault a guy for that?

Yes.
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StoneRevolver
01/11/19 4:10:04 PM
27
I don't care.
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ForteEXE3850
01/11/19 4:13:32 PM
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No one specifically.

It's just the U.S. government being itself.
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Zareth
01/11/19 4:16:12 PM
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I blame everybody, especially you, TC.
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dedbus
01/12/19 3:23:27 PM
30
Russia
TyVulpine
01/12/19 3:26:59 PM
31
Trump. He doesnt care that Federal employees, both Republican and Democrat, arent getting paid because Congress wont kiss his ass and pay for his wall.
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Zeus
01/13/19 1:15:48 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Zeus posted...
Everybody. It shouldn't be necessary to get to this point. Shit broke down long before a shutdown.


I never voted for a republican I bear no responsibility for this.


You mean you just voted for obstructionist Democrats who refused to work with Republicans and campaigned on the basis of their unwillingness to work with the opposition? You share the same blame as anybody who voted for an obstructionist Republican.

Lokarin posted...
You're a democracy... so all of yous


Democratic Republic, but sure.
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dvdjedi
01/13/19 2:14:59 AM
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Mitch McConnell could end this shutdown if he wasn't hiding in his shell. Put the House bill to a vote in the Senate and it will pass easily (a similar bill passed 100-0) and send it to Trump. Trump vetoes it and the Senate will easily have the 60 votes needed to override the veto. Everyone goes back to work and Trump can tell his base that he was a tough guy about the wall.
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ClarkDuke
01/13/19 2:57:46 AM
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Entity13 posted...
Mead posted...
Lokarin posted...
You're a democracy... so all of yous


We arent actually, technically we never have been


At most we're like an artificially-democracy-flavored republic if that artificial flavor has long since spoiled over the years, and lots of people are still eating it up like it's the real and best thing ever. Basically the supporters of our civic structure are like fans of month-old red velvet cake. The chocolate and red food coloring were already poor quality, but time does it no favors except in the opinions of those poor, poor souls who don't know any better.

Now I'm hungry, ok?
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LinkPizza
01/13/19 3:08:24 AM
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ClarkDuke posted...
Entity13 posted...
Mead posted...
Lokarin posted...
You're a democracy... so all of yous


We arent actually, technically we never have been


At most we're like an artificially-democracy-flavored republic if that artificial flavor has long since spoiled over the years, and lots of people are still eating it up like it's the real and best thing ever. Basically the supporters of our civic structure are like fans of month-old red velvet cake. The chocolate and red food coloring were already poor quality, but time does it no favors except in the opinions of those poor, poor souls who don't know any better.

Now I'm hungry, ok?

The red velvet cupcakes I use to get at the store were really good...
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ClarkDuke
01/13/19 3:17:54 AM
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LinkPizza posted...
ClarkDuke posted...
Entity13 posted...
Mead posted...
Lokarin posted...
You're a democracy... so all of yous


We arent actually, technically we never have been


At most we're like an artificially-democracy-flavored republic if that artificial flavor has long since spoiled over the years, and lots of people are still eating it up like it's the real and best thing ever. Basically the supporters of our civic structure are like fans of month-old red velvet cake. The chocolate and red food coloring were already poor quality, but time does it no favors except in the opinions of those poor, poor souls who don't know any better.

Now I'm hungry, ok?

The red velvet cupcakes I use to get at the store were really good...

Clarks going out for cupcakes, ok?
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LinkPizza
01/13/19 3:19:43 AM
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ClarkDuke posted...
LinkPizza posted...
ClarkDuke posted...
Entity13 posted...
Mead posted...
Lokarin posted...
You're a democracy... so all of yous


We arent actually, technically we never have been


At most we're like an artificially-democracy-flavored republic if that artificial flavor has long since spoiled over the years, and lots of people are still eating it up like it's the real and best thing ever. Basically the supporters of our civic structure are like fans of month-old red velvet cake. The chocolate and red food coloring were already poor quality, but time does it no favors except in the opinions of those poor, poor souls who don't know any better.

Now I'm hungry, ok?

The red velvet cupcakes I use to get at the store were really good...

Clarks going out for cupcakes, ok?

We should go eat cupcakes together...
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darkknight109
01/14/19 2:26:52 PM
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In other news, Lindsey Graham was discussing a potential plan with Democrats about temporarily re-opening the government while negotiations continued, but Trump said he would not support it and would refuse to sign it if it passed Congress.

I mean, I don't think there's any reasonable argument here against Trump being the only reason why the government remains closed.
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Zeus
01/14/19 2:36:53 PM
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darkknight109 posted...
In other news, Lindsey Graham was discussing a potential plan with Democrats about temporarily re-opening the government while negotiations continued, but Trump said he would not support it and would refuse to sign it if it passed Congress.

I mean, I don't think there's any reasonable argument here against Trump being the only reason why the government remains closed.


idk, when Republicans were willing to sign a spending package not including the ACA, Obama was pretty quick to note he'd veto any legislation even if Democrats were on board and you blamed Republicans. Not being very consistent!
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RCtheWSBC
01/14/19 2:47:11 PM
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Zeus posted...
idk, when Republicans were willing to sign a spending package not including the ACA, Obama was pretty quick to note he'd veto any legislation even if Democrats were on board and you blamed Republicans

The House Republicans in 2013 were trying to delay and defund the ACA, which had formally passed as the law of the land.

No laws requiring a wall on the border have been passed that I know of.
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RCtheWSBC
01/14/19 2:54:07 PM
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At the end of the day, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell says he had no good option in the 16-day government shutdown fight.

House Speaker John Boehners strategy collapsed. Ted Cruzs push to use a shutdown to defund Obamacare was not a smart play and a tactical error, he said. And the country was staring at the threat of a prolonged shutdown and a potentially disastrous default on a nearly $17 trillion national debt.

It was not a smart play. It had no chance of success, McConnell said of the defund Obamacare push.


https://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/mitch-mcconnell-senate-deal-obamacare-government-shutdown-098496

Because we may all need a refresher on what happened in 2013, even if the context is different than the current shutdown (the ACA and debt limit were the largest issues on the table)
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_AdjI_
01/14/19 2:58:59 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
ClarkDuke posted...
Entity13 posted...
Mead posted...
Lokarin posted...
You're a democracy... so all of yous


We arent actually, technically we never have been


At most we're like an artificially-democracy-flavored republic if that artificial flavor has long since spoiled over the years, and lots of people are still eating it up like it's the real and best thing ever. Basically the supporters of our civic structure are like fans of month-old red velvet cake. The chocolate and red food coloring were already poor quality, but time does it no favors except in the opinions of those poor, poor souls who don't know any better.

Now I'm hungry, ok?

The red velvet cupcakes I use to get at the store were really good...


I made red velvet cupcakes once, but opted not to actually make them red because the recipe called for 3 tablespoons of red food colouring (in a dozen cupcakes) to make that happen, and that was just disgusting. They ended up a slightly reddish brown because the acid from the buttermilk and vanilla apparently change the cocoa's colour a bit, but they definitely didn't reach the vibrant red most people associate with them (they were, however, delicious). I've seen the suggestion of using beet juice instead (which is actually how red velvet cakes were originally made, since milk was in short supply during post-war rationing and beet juice was used instead to help make cakes moister), and I may try that next time.
darkknight109
01/14/19 3:38:55 PM
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Zeus posted...
darkknight109 posted...
In other news, Lindsey Graham was discussing a potential plan with Democrats about temporarily re-opening the government while negotiations continued, but Trump said he would not support it and would refuse to sign it if it passed Congress.

I mean, I don't think there's any reasonable argument here against Trump being the only reason why the government remains closed.


idk, when Republicans were willing to sign a spending package not including the ACA, Obama was pretty quick to note he'd veto any legislation even if Democrats were on board and you blamed Republicans. Not being very consistent!

RC beat me to this, but Republicans then were attempting to change already-existing law, just as Trump is doing now, and they/he were willing to shut down the entire government when they couldn't get that change passed the way it was supposed to be passed and the way the law had always intended that it be passed. I blamed them then and I blame him now. That is entirely consistent.

Not to mention, Democrats have offered Trump numerous outs on this. They passed a spending bill that originally passed the senate unanimously - Trump said no. They offered to temporarily re-open the government while discussions continued so that the government could function and people could actually get, y'know, paid - Trump said no. They've offered to compromise, saying that while they're not willing to fund a wall, they would be open to funding other forms of improving border security - Trump said no.

Trump is stomping his feet, holding his breath, and demanding that he gets everything his way or else he'll take his ball and go home.
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dancer62
01/14/19 5:08:47 PM
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It just shows how much government is actually necessary.

Lay off 99%.
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streamofthesky
01/14/19 5:52:44 PM
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dancer62 posted...
It just shows how much government is actually necessary.

Lay off 99%.

I truly wish some day that we have an actual full government shutdown, every single government entity, even just for 1 day, so we can see people absolutely losing their shit.

Then shit posts like the above would at least stop for a while until we all forgot how bad it was when the government was gone.
Kyuubi4269
01/14/19 5:56:29 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
dancer62 posted...
It just shows how much government is actually necessary.

Lay off 99%.

I truly wish some day that we have an actual full government shutdown, every single government entity, even just for 1 day, so we can see people absolutely losing their shit.

Then shit posts like the above would at least stop for a while until we all forgot how bad it was when the government was gone.

I probably wouldn't notice (beyond the bigger paycheck) for a couple weeks.
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LinkPizza
01/14/19 6:01:22 PM
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_AdjI_ posted...
LinkPizza posted...
ClarkDuke posted...
Entity13 posted...
Mead posted...
Lokarin posted...
You're a democracy... so all of yous


We arent actually, technically we never have been


At most we're like an artificially-democracy-flavored republic if that artificial flavor has long since spoiled over the years, and lots of people are still eating it up like it's the real and best thing ever. Basically the supporters of our civic structure are like fans of month-old red velvet cake. The chocolate and red food coloring were already poor quality, but time does it no favors except in the opinions of those poor, poor souls who don't know any better.

Now I'm hungry, ok?

The red velvet cupcakes I use to get at the store were really good...


I made red velvet cupcakes once, but opted not to actually make them red because the recipe called for 3 tablespoons of red food colouring (in a dozen cupcakes) to make that happen, and that was just disgusting. They ended up a slightly reddish brown because the acid from the buttermilk and vanilla apparently change the cocoa's colour a bit, but they definitely didn't reach the vibrant red most people associate with them (they were, however, delicious). I've seen the suggestion of using beet juice instead (which is actually how red velvet cakes were originally made, since milk was in short supply during post-war rationing and beet juice was used instead to help make cakes moister), and I may try that next time.

I didnt think food coloring had a very distinct taste. I thought it would be pretty subtle. Though, Im not sure what beet juice would taste like... Also, I can definitely understand why it would need a lot of food coloring. They are very red when I see them...
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Mead
01/14/19 6:02:18 PM
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dancer62 posted...
It just shows how much government is actually necessary.

Lay off 99%.


You want to pay all their unemployment benefits?
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streamofthesky
01/14/19 6:04:39 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
_AdjI_ posted...
LinkPizza posted...
ClarkDuke posted...
Entity13 posted...
Mead posted...
Lokarin posted...
You're a democracy... so all of yous


We arent actually, technically we never have been


At most we're like an artificially-democracy-flavored republic if that artificial flavor has long since spoiled over the years, and lots of people are still eating it up like it's the real and best thing ever. Basically the supporters of our civic structure are like fans of month-old red velvet cake. The chocolate and red food coloring were already poor quality, but time does it no favors except in the opinions of those poor, poor souls who don't know any better.

Now I'm hungry, ok?

The red velvet cupcakes I use to get at the store were really good...


I made red velvet cupcakes once, but opted not to actually make them red because the recipe called for 3 tablespoons of red food colouring (in a dozen cupcakes) to make that happen, and that was just disgusting. They ended up a slightly reddish brown because the acid from the buttermilk and vanilla apparently change the cocoa's colour a bit, but they definitely didn't reach the vibrant red most people associate with them (they were, however, delicious). I've seen the suggestion of using beet juice instead (which is actually how red velvet cakes were originally made, since milk was in short supply during post-war rationing and beet juice was used instead to help make cakes moister), and I may try that next time.

I didnt think food coloring had a very distinct taste. I thought it would be pretty subtle. Though, Im not sure what beet juice would taste like... Also, I can definitely understand why it would need a lot of food coloring. They are very red when I see them...

Well, the other reason to be weary of excessive amounts of red food coloring is where said color may be coming from... :p

https://www.livescience.com/36292-red-food-dye-bugs-cochineal-carmine.html
LinkPizza
01/14/19 6:05:30 PM
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dancer62 posted...
It just shows how much government is actually necessary.

Lay off 99%.

Well, they are still working. Some are working without pay. Some places have furloughed people, but still have enough people to run things. So, I mean, it is pretty necessary is most cases...
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