Poll of the Day > Do you support trump's proposed border wall?

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TommyVercetti
01/09/19 10:32:03 AM
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do you? - Results (14 votes)
yes
28.57% (4 votes)
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no
71.43% (10 votes)
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do you
Krazy_Kirby
01/09/19 10:39:20 AM
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there needs to be something that stops people from coming here illegally. this "wall" will barely do that though
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01/09/19 10:41:30 AM
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CaptainStrong
01/09/19 10:46:13 AM
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A wall is pointless. There's a million ways to get past the wall.
DPsx7
01/09/19 11:00:29 AM
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We need something. A wall, bigger signs, a sniper nest, a trail of Reese's Pieces leading back south...
RCtheWSBC
01/09/19 11:05:27 AM
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I think it's the least cost-effective idea when weighed against potential benefits. Haven't even seen a real thorough cost-benefit analysis of any of the proposed funding amounts needed to acquire land, construct it, staff it with security forces, and maintain it across all 2,000 miles.
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ernieforss
01/09/19 11:06:37 AM
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I just seem really expensive for the upkeep of the wall.

Also I talk to immigrant they have some crazy stories about how they get across the board. like riding on top of trains. Walls aren't going to stop them. They will find a way no matter what.
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Mead
01/09/19 11:11:53 AM
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We dont need a wall, we need comprehensive immigration reform.
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captpackrat
01/09/19 2:36:07 PM
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They need those invisible walls, like the ones in Fallout or Skyrim that keep you from climbing over the mountains.
OhhhJa
01/09/19 2:40:26 PM
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captpackrat posted...
They need those invisible walls, like the ones in Fallout or Skyrim that keep you from climbing over the mountains.

Or like on halo where if you go past the boundary you're killed by the guardians
Mead
01/09/19 2:41:53 PM
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captpackrat posted...
They need those invisible walls, like the ones in Fallout or Skyrim that keep you from climbing over the mountains.


modders would still get through
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Cacciato
01/09/19 3:24:00 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
captpackrat posted...
They need those invisible walls, like the ones in Fallout or Skyrim that keep you from climbing over the mountains.

Or like on halo where if you go past the boundary you're killed by the guardians

This is actually a comparison I really enjoyed
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papercup
01/09/19 3:25:47 PM
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Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.
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Krazy_Kirby
01/09/19 3:28:02 PM
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papercup posted...
Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.


bull.

hillary also voted for a fence to be built across the border at one point in time.
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Mead
01/09/19 3:29:43 PM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
papercup posted...
Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.


bull.

hillary also voted for a fence to be built across the border at one point in time.


Its at a forty year low, sorry that you hate facts
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papercup
01/09/19 3:32:14 PM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
papercup posted...
Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.


bull.

hillary also voted for a fence to be built across the border at one point in time.


http://www.pewhispanic.org/2018/11/27/u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-total-dips-to-lowest-level-in-a-decade/
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papercup
01/09/19 3:34:01 PM
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And, also, like I said, most people aren't coming into this country by crossing the border. Traveling through Mexico is very dangerous. There are much easier, safer and faster means of coming into the US.
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RCtheWSBC
01/09/19 3:43:13 PM
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Given that it won't stop individuals who overstay their visas, or stop businesses from illegally hiring people without documentation to work in the U.S...it isn't enough to solve the entirety of illegal immigration for how much financial, infrastructural and labor capital is needed to build it.
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Veedrock-
01/09/19 3:53:10 PM
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Banning guns won't stop all gun crime, but people still want to ban guns.

'Tis a straw man but still an apt comparison to point out how weak the argument is.
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Valiant_Kaiser
01/09/19 3:53:23 PM
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He's using a big wall to compensate for his small, feminine hands. Pathetic.
darkknight109
01/09/19 4:07:57 PM
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No, it's colossally dumb. Even if you buy into the notion that there's a security crisis at the border (notable: illegal crossings are about 1/3 of the level they were at during the Bush Jr. administration), there are far more cost-effective ways to deal with that. A wall is pretty much the least efficient, least effective means of securing the border and there's a reason why even anti-immigration Republican lawmakers are generally non-supportive of it.
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Krazy_Kirby
01/09/19 4:21:11 PM
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Veedrock- posted...
Banning guns won't stop all gun crime, but people still want to ban guns.


the difference is we have a right to own guns. people don't have a right to break the law to come here
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WastelandCowboy
01/09/19 4:22:25 PM
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Not really.

It's like someone getting into someone's computer or breaking into someone's house. Great antivirus or home security will deter or prevent most people, but if they really want to get in, they will.

Same with the wall. It'll "help" keep other people out, but it's an expensive solution to a larger issue, such as helping or providing ways to get people started on the track to legal immigration. Additionally, this $5 billion that Trump wants, will supposedly only build a larger portion of the wall, but not all of it. And what happens after it's built? How much money will it take to maintain and patrol the wall?
Sonicplys
01/09/19 4:56:07 PM
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Trump hates latinos and hispanics
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Mead
01/09/19 5:02:12 PM
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Sonicplys posted...
Trump hates latinos and hispanics


Dont forget black folks and poor people
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darkknight109
01/09/19 6:16:26 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
Not really.

It's like someone getting into someone's computer or breaking into someone's house. Great antivirus or home security will deter or prevent most people, but if they really want to get in, they will.

Same with the wall. It'll "help" keep other people out, but it's an expensive solution to a larger issue, such as helping or providing ways to get people started on the track to legal immigration. Additionally, this $5 billion that Trump wants, will supposedly only build a larger portion of the wall, but not all of it. And what happens after it's built? How much money will it take to maintain and patrol the wall?

Maintenance on a structure that size is usually about 5-20% of its value per year, so between $250 million and $1 billion a year, every single year, just for that one section.

Your analogy of a computer is a good one. To expand on it, Trump's wall is like protecting your computer from viruses by hiring someone to come into your house every day, log on to your computer and manually look through all the files to check if anything malicious has been added. It's technically better than being completely unprotected, but it's also ridiculously expensive and grossly inefficient given that better options are available.
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zebatov
01/09/19 6:53:27 PM
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Mead posted...
We dont need a wall, we need comprehensive immigration reform.

Like what? And what will this accomplish?
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Sarcasthma
01/09/19 6:55:45 PM
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papercup posted...
Krazy_Kirby posted...
papercup posted...
Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.


bull.

hillary also voted for a fence to be built across the border at one point in time.


http://www.pewhispanic.org/2018/11/27/u-s-unauthorized-immigrant-total-dips-to-lowest-level-in-a-decade/

Any response, @Krazy_Kirby?
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BlackScythe0
01/09/19 7:12:58 PM
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There is no proposed border wall. Is it a fence? A wall? Metal spikes? Who the fuck knows there is no proposal he just keeps asking for more and more of our money without being able to tell anyone what it is for.
BeerOnTap
01/09/19 9:20:30 PM
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CaptainStrong posted...
A wall is pointless. There's a million ways to get past the wall.


It works in Israel. It's effective in San Diego, and the parts in Texas that have it, to at least curb illegal immigration in the respective areas.
Walls tend to be pretty effective.
TheWorstPoster
01/09/19 9:23:12 PM
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papercup posted...
Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.


I don't care that illegal immigration is at an all time low.

I want absolutely NO illegal immigration.
TheWorstPoster
01/09/19 9:24:46 PM
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CaptainStrong posted...
A wall is pointless. There's a million ways to get past the wall.


Tell that to the Navy SEAL team who was recruited to try to scale and dig under the prototype walls.
TyVulpine
01/09/19 9:25:49 PM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
there needs to be something that stops people from coming here illegally. this "wall" will barely do that though

More people come legally by boat or plane and then dont return when their visa expires than come across the border illegally.
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WastelandCowboy
01/09/19 10:00:25 PM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
papercup posted...
Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.


I don't care that illegal immigration is at an all time low.

I want absolutely NO illegal immigration.

What we, American Taxpayers, want is for you to get off your ass and get a job.
HelIWithoutSin
01/09/19 10:39:13 PM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
papercup posted...
Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.


I don't care that illegal immigration is at an all time low.

I want absolutely NO illegal immigration.


Seeing people with no contacts, little to no education, and not speaking the language, traveling hundreds and thousands of miles and being able to find and willing to work a shitty job must be really painful for you.
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Sarcasthma
01/09/19 11:59:59 PM
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HelIWithoutSin posted...
TheWorstPoster posted...
papercup posted...
Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.


I don't care that illegal immigration is at an all time low.

I want absolutely NO illegal immigration.


Seeing people with no contacts, little to no education, and not speaking the language, traveling hundreds and thousands of miles and being able to find and willing to work a shitty job must be really painful for you.

looool
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darkknight109
01/10/19 1:53:44 AM
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BeerOnTap posted...
It works in Israel.

Is that why they're constantly having to destroy Hamas tunnels that go underneath their walls and directly into the country?

You must have a different definition of "working" than I do.

BeerOnTap posted...
Walls tend to be pretty effective.

It's weird, then, how - at least if you believe the right-wing pundits - the US still has a problem with illegal immigration despite putting up hundreds of miles of border fencing and there's pictures in the news daily of migrants climbing over the fencing and walls that do exist.

It's almost like walls are something that can be easily gotten around with ropes, ladders, or just a sufficiently tall mound of dirt.

TheWorstPoster posted...
I don't care that illegal immigration is at an all time low.

I want absolutely NO illegal immigration.

Yeah, well, lots of people want absolutely NO gun crime and their suggestions get about as much traction. So good luck with that.
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DeltaBladeX
01/10/19 2:10:58 AM
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DPsx7 posted...
a trail of Reese's Pieces leading back south...

Your other idea suck, but this one would be great, except for two issues.
- Americans following them south
- Mexicans following them north
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Revelation34
01/10/19 2:53:35 AM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
Tell that to the Navy SEAL team who was recruited to try to scale and dig under the prototype walls.


They didn't try hard enough.
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Yellow
01/10/19 3:02:00 AM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
papercup posted...
Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.


bull.

hillary also voted for a fence to be built across the border at one point in time.

A) True, Trump is just a liar https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illegal-immigration-statistics/
B) A barbed fence is $2500 a mile, ~$5M, not $6B.
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ClarkDuke
01/10/19 3:03:06 AM
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Veedrock- posted...
Banning guns won't stop all gun crime, but people still want to ban guns.

'Tis a straw man but still an apt comparison to point out how weak the argument is.

Banning prostitution won't stop prostitution, but people still want to ban prostitution.
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gguirao
01/10/19 3:07:19 AM
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No.
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HelIWithoutSin
01/10/19 3:12:26 AM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
CaptainStrong posted...
A wall is pointless. There's a million ways to get past the wall.


Tell that to the Navy SEAL team who was recruited to try to scale and dig under the prototype walls.


LMFAO why do you even try anymore?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/no-the-prototype-of-trumps-wall-didnt-keep-out-navy-seals
https://gizmodo.com/navy-seals-call-bullshit-on-fox-news-report-that-they-c-1823453108
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/us-navy-fox-news-border-wall-mexico-donald-trump-a8237631.html
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ClarkDuke
01/10/19 3:15:59 AM
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TheWorstPoster posted...
CaptainStrong posted...
A wall is pointless. There's a million ways to get past the wall.


Tell that to the Navy SEAL team who was recruited to try to scale and dig under the prototype walls.

There was hope when you called out Zeus, then you say this, yikes, ok?
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I_Always_Die
01/10/19 3:17:27 AM
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OhhhJa posted...
captpackrat posted...
They need those invisible walls, like the ones in Fallout or Skyrim that keep you from climbing over the mountains.

Or like on halo where if you go past the boundary you're killed by the guardians

they just need to build to the turrets from snowbound
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Entity13
01/10/19 3:17:51 AM
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Yellow posted...
Krazy_Kirby posted...
papercup posted...
Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.


bull.

hillary also voted for a fence to be built across the border at one point in time.

A) True, Trump is just a liar https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illegal-immigration-statistics/
B) A barbed fence is $2500 a mile, ~$6M, not $6B.


This also doesn't take into account details such as plots of land that cross the border, such as golf courses and a Native American Reservation, meaning legal battles that would waste more tie and money on this nonsense altogether.. We could also bring up the environmental impact that a wall would have, but too many Republicans + Fox/Trump won't give two shits about that argument. AND THEN, there would be the increased costs of both wall maintenance--something that doesn't look good considering the state of our roads and bridges--and additional agents to patrol the whole length of such a structure; in fact such surveillance is made more difficult due to agents' views being obstructed.

No, the mere idea of the wall started as a simple keyword for Trump's small mind to remember, and developed further into a rally cry for him and his supporters because of his need to build a monument to his ego that, somehow, golden towers with his name on them just wasn't enough. He wants a level of gratification that his insatiable ego is doomed to never see fulfilled. His supporters want to get away with racism; of which some will balk at you for even suggesting such a thing, and others will cheer on the idea because they're proud of their discriminatory beliefs. The wall is nothing more than a super expensive symbol that, honestly, no sane or responsible person should support, but here we are.
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ClarkDuke
01/10/19 3:23:32 AM
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Entity13 posted...
Yellow posted...
Krazy_Kirby posted...
papercup posted...
Okay, here's the thing. Republicans like to pretend that the wall is about border security. Of fucking course it's not. At a time when illegal immigration is on the decline, and most of that is through airports, security is clearly NOT the main concern. It's about building a 2000 mile wall and plastering Trump's name all over it.


bull.

hillary also voted for a fence to be built across the border at one point in time.

A) True, Trump is just a liar https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/illegal-immigration-statistics/
B) A barbed fence is $2500 a mile, ~$6M, not $6B.


This also doesn't take into account details such as plots of land that cross the border, such as golf courses and a Native American Reservation, meaning legal battles that would waste more tie and money on this nonsense altogether.. We could also bring up the environmental impact that a wall would have, but too many Republicans + Fox/Trump won't give two shits about that argument. AND THEN, there would be the increased costs of both wall maintenance--something that doesn't look good considering the state of our roads and bridges--and additional agents to patrol the whole length of such a structure; in fact such surveillance is made more difficult due to agents' views being obstructed.

No, the mere idea of the wall started as a simple keyword for Trump's small mind to remember, and developed further into a rally cry for him and his supporters because of his need to build a monument to his ego that, somehow, golden towers with his name on them just wasn't enough. He wants a level of gratification that his insatiable ego is doomed to never see fulfilled. His supporters want to get away with racism; of which some will balk at you for even suggesting such a thing, and others will cheer on the idea because they're proud of their discriminatory beliefs. The wall is nothing more than a super expensive symbol that, honestly, no sane or responsible person should support, but here we are.

It's also a distraction technique, helps bump any headlines on his legal problems, ok?
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Entity13
01/10/19 3:27:32 AM
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ClarkDuke posted...
It's also a distraction technique, helps bump any headlines on his legal problems, ok?


I'd call that a part to the rally cry aspect of the whole mess.
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Yellow
01/10/19 3:29:01 AM
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I'm pretty sure they could just trick Trump into thinking the wall has been constructed by building a wall in some places and not building it in others.

What's that take, one Fox segment? Then the Democrats play their role and go, "no this is all fake", so by default he can't take that side. Fake news.

Underfunded? No, they just came up with a way to build it for cheap, because Trump "knows more about construction than anyone".

It's not like anyone in his inner circle actually wants a wall built.
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Revelation34
01/10/19 3:35:46 AM
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Entity13 posted...
This also doesn't take into account details such as plots of land that cross the border, such as golf courses and a Native American Reservation, meaning legal battles that would waste more tie and money on this nonsense altogether.. We could also bring up the environmental impact that a wall would have, but too many Republicans + Fox/Trump won't give two shits about that argument. AND THEN, there would be the increased costs of both wall maintenance--something that doesn't look good considering the state of our roads and bridges--and additional agents to patrol the whole length of such a structure; in fact such surveillance is made more difficult due to agents' views being obstructed.


Citation needed.
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