Board 8 > Nationalist politics topic 13: The women of war!

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Vlado
01/07/19 4:56:42 AM
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jmFRHJW

Good point.
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Espeon
01/07/19 9:33:30 AM
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Again, you neither think critically, nor do you actually read what you post.

The title implies scary discrimination of poor men who are just such victims in modern society. The article itself never actually uses the word discrimination. Probably because the study its talking about never makes claims of discrimination. This is LITERALLY a fake news clickbait title, and you posted it without thinking, Vlado.
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Vlado
01/07/19 9:35:55 AM
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Yeah, you can spin it somehow and try to find a technicality hoping it would invalidate the entire point, but...

Were not saying that women in highly developed countries are not experiencing disadvantages in some aspects of their lives. What we are saying is that an ideal measure of gender equality is not biased to the disadvantages of either gender. Doing so, we find a different picture to the one commonly presented in the media.

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TheRock1525
01/07/19 9:50:57 AM
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Vlado posted...
Men face MORE discrimination than women according to new research


Research article was about DISADVANTAGED, not DISCRIMINATION.

Which makes sense since men are more likely to be put in menial labor jobs than women, forced to repress issues with depression because of toxic masculinity (which leads to health issues, alcoholism and opioid abuse, and earlier deaths, of course).

And none of that is about discrimination.
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Espeon
01/07/19 10:16:22 AM
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Vlado posted...
Yeah, you can spin it somehow and try to find a technicality hoping it would invalidate the entire point, but...

Were not saying that women in highly developed countries are not experiencing disadvantages in some aspects of their lives. What we are saying is that an ideal measure of gender equality is not biased to the disadvantages of either gender. Doing so, we find a different picture to the one commonly presented in the media.


My point was that you are posting articles from a source that at LEAST twice now (that Ive actually bothered to correct) have blatant falsehoods designed to stir up negative emotions among the selection of people who are RTs target audience. THAT shit is why we distrust RT as fake news.

As for the content, the study takes exactly three factors into account: life expectancy, educational parity, and a surveyed response regarding personal happiness. Conveniently, all three of these statistics happen to skew in favor of women (slightly). And the study goes out of its way to say were ignoring other factors because we dont think theyre relevant. Yeah, no shit. You can cherry pick statistics to support almost any position you want to take.
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Vlado
01/07/19 10:17:40 AM
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Read the above post.

Anyway, this is a really great analysis of the Giletes Jaunes situation! Read, so you can get a grasp of what's happening in Europe. It's quite likely Marine Le Pen finally wins after Macron gets removed.

A group of retired generals published an open letter, saying that signing the Global Compact was a further step towards "the abandonment of national sovereignty" and noted that "80% of the French population think that immigration must be halted or regulated drastically".

"In deciding alone to sign this pact," the generals wrote, "... You are guilty of a denial of democracy, even treason, with respect the nation".

On December 20, two days before the fifth demonstration of the "yellow vests," police officers organized a protest in front of the lyse Palace. The vice-president of an organization made up of police officers said that many members are exhausted, feel sympathetic to the revolt and are ready to join it.

The next day, the government increased police officers' salaries and paid them millions for overtime -- payments that had been overdue for months.

"The authorities are really afraid that the police could turn on them," commented the journalist Jean-Michel Aphatie. "It is hard to imagine. It is where we are in France, today".

The Macron's popularity is in free fall; it has dropped to 18%. No French president's popularity has dropped so low, so quickly. Flore Santisteban, a professor at the Paris Institute of Political Studies, quoted surveys showing that Macron now crystallizes "an intense hatred, and maybe more than hatred: rage".

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/13500/france-in-free-fall
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MoogleKupo141
01/07/19 10:21:41 AM
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Vlado posted...
Yeah, you can spin it somehow and try to find a technicality hoping it would invalidate the entire point, but...

Were not saying that women in highly developed countries are not experiencing disadvantages in some aspects of their lives. What we are saying is that an ideal measure of gender equality is not biased to the disadvantages of either gender. Doing so, we find a different picture to the one commonly presented in the media.


it literally doesn't say anything about discrimination though. RT just made that up.
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pjbasis
01/07/19 10:21:42 AM
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No one who said women would never wage war should have ever been taken seriously.

That's some chauvinist BS.
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Espeon
01/07/19 10:24:16 AM
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Yes Rock. Read the above post. The one where I call out the use of fake science to create a clickbait article headline.
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pjbasis
01/07/19 10:25:38 AM
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No guys he bolded his statement.

we find a different picture to the one commonly presented in the media.

Clearly "different" means "completely opposite"
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Espeon
01/07/19 10:49:19 AM
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Oh, Vlado, I have a question regarding your film propaganda article in relation to a statement you made earlier in the economy topic. Youve been arguing with Metal and myself that what you do and what Lauren Southern did with regards to trying to exert influence to enact change in foreign nation is NOT globalism because the world is interconnected and youre just trying to protect yourselves, giving the tremendous cultural influence the rest of the world can have. Okay, fine. So then why exactly is it globalism when Western countries do the exact same thing you claimed ISNT globalism, in order to to combat authoritarian influence in their culture?
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Vlado
01/07/19 10:53:02 AM
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Espeon posted...
Defending yourself when a war as waged on you makes you totally as evil as the side that waged the war on you.

lmfao, no.
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Espeon
01/07/19 11:00:21 AM
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Vlado posted...
Espeon posted...
Defending yourself when a war as waged on you makes you totally as evil as the side that waged the war on you.

lmfao, no.


In your opinion. Recall that, whether you want to admit it or not, Russia HAS waged war on America, and no amount of you screaming deep state! will change that.
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Vlado
01/07/19 11:03:09 AM
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lmfao, imagine still using that excuse over 2 years later. clinton was a TERRIBLE choice, people hate her, so she naturally got CRUSHED, deal with it.
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Espeon
01/07/19 11:04:19 AM
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Vlado posted...
lmfao, imagine still using that excuse over 2 years later. clinton was a TERRIBLE choice, people hate her, so she naturally got CRUSHED, deal with it.


If she got crushed, then why do you continue to push a baseless conspiracy theory that six million illegal votes were cast in her favor? Over two years later.
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Mr Lasastryke
01/07/19 11:04:33 AM
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Vlado posted...
so she naturally got CRUSHED, deal with it.


itt winning the popular vote = getting crushed.
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Vlado
01/07/19 11:05:45 AM
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
Vlado posted...
so she naturally got CRUSHED, deal with it.


itt winning the popular vote = getting crushed.

itt getting more ball possession but losing 3:0 means you actually won
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Espeon
01/07/19 11:08:12 AM
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Vlado posted...
Mr Lasastryke posted...
Vlado posted...
so she naturally got CRUSHED, deal with it.


itt winning the popular vote = getting crushed.

itt getting more ball possession but losing 3:0 means you actually won


Then why push a conspiracy theory? If all that matter is that Trump won the election, why does it matter so much to you that Hillary cant have legitimately won the popular vote?
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Mr Lasastryke
01/07/19 11:09:03 AM
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Vlado posted...
itt getting more ball possession but losing 3:0 means you actually won


trump didn't win by that much.

you're arguing that if a soccer team won a match 2-0 they ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED the other team.
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Espeon
01/07/19 11:19:41 AM
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See, heres the thing. While the electoral college win IS annoying, especially given the margin, theres nothing we can do about it now. But people like you, who do desperately cling to the notion that youre always right and most people agree with you (therefore, based on your little 80%-20% analogy from a few topics ago, you can impose your will on whomever you want), cant handle the fact that you squeaked out a narrow victory based on outdated rules that dont represent the will of humans, but rather the inanimate land they live upon. Trumpism failed by three million votes, your ideals really ARENT popular...certainly not to the point where a majority of the country want them unilaterally imposed upon them. But admitting THAT would mean admitting youre wrong and that your ideas are wildly unpopular. So you then pretend that Hillary cheated (to secure, as youve pointed out, a meaningless victory in terms of ACTUAL power).
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Kenri
01/07/19 12:37:12 PM
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Vlado posted...
itt getting more ball possession but losing 3:0 means you actually won

It's really more like a boxing match where you clearly had the advantage but then lose by decision somehow
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MoogleKupo141
01/07/19 12:40:32 PM
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Vlado posted...
Mr Lasastryke posted...
Vlado posted...
so she naturally got CRUSHED, deal with it.


itt winning the popular vote = getting crushed.

itt getting more ball possession but losing 3:0 means you actually won


Obviously she lost, but saying "everyone hates her, she got crushed" doesn't make sense when she got like half the votes. She was like one campaign stop in Wisconsin away from winning.
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Espeon
01/07/19 1:10:06 PM
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The problem with Vlado and other conservatives asinine sports analogies (which make sense to them because they only care about winning and losing) is twofold:

1. There really isnt a comparable sports scenario to American presidential elections. There isnt a sport where one team scores more points, but some points get arbitrarily doubled because of how they were scored. The closest analogy I can think of is Quidditch, where a team could theoretically shit the bed and get blown out in general scoring 140-0, but then their seeker catches the snitch to win the game 150-140.

2. Winning in sports means you get a trophy and acknowledgement of your victory. Thats it. Winning in politics is like the equivalent of winning a championship and then getting to rewrite the rules for the next season. And its in THIS way that the popular vote actually matters. Yes, you won given the current system, but the majority of the country doesnt want your agenda. This is why conservatives have to make shit up to try and prove that liberals arent REALLY more popular.
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Kenri
01/07/19 1:37:06 PM
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Basketball but the points get doubled if they're scored by a player from Wyoming
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Espeon
01/07/19 1:55:02 PM
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Honestly, Vlado, OBVIOUSLY you think the popular vote matters. If you didnt, you wouldnt continue pitching that whole millions of illegal voters voted for Hillary conspiracy theory. Youre desperate to believe that the majority of people agree with you (because that would mean, in your mind, that your world view is correct), but they do not. In reality, the majority of people in this country are being negatively impacted by the policies of a president we did not vote for. All the shit you whine about, like how youre afraid of globalists forcing you to change your culture? Thats ACTUALLY happening to US. A minority group that rose to power using the globalist nature of Americas presidential election system, is imposing its will on the majority against their wishes.
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Ulti_PCA
01/07/19 1:57:58 PM
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pjbasis posted...
No one who said women would never wage war should have ever been taken seriously.

That's some chauvinist BS.

Women were the ones primarily pushing that narrative, bro.
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Hardcore_Adult
01/07/19 2:02:19 PM
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Kenri posted...
Basketball but the points get doubled if they're scored by a player from Wyoming


Heard they were triple if it were some bloke from Cleveland....
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Vlado
01/08/19 4:21:03 AM
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
Vlado posted...
itt getting more ball possession but losing 3:0 means you actually won


trump didn't win by that much.

you're arguing that if a soccer team won a match 2-0 they ABSOLUTELY DESTROYED the other team.

Did clinton not lose not one, not two, but a bunch of states where she was projected by polls to win? A bit bigger than 2:0, I'd say. 3:0 at least.

But this is semantics and thus irrelevant. Trump built his strategy and won on the rules the game was played by, that's what matters. I say "CRUSHED" because he won by a lot, but also because it sounds cool.

MoogleKupo141 posted...
Obviously she lost, but saying "everyone hates her, she got crushed" doesn't make sense when she got like half the votes.

Half of the people who voted for her hate her, they just hate Trump more.

MoogleKupo141 posted...
She was like one campaign stop in Wisconsin away from winning.

lmfao, because one of her "amazing" rallies that barely drew triple-digit attendance would surely have changed everything.

Ulti_PCA posted...
Women were the ones primarily pushing that narrative, bro.

Word.

Meanwhile, twitter time-wasters roasted some brainless journo who posted in glee about women being in charge of CIA. Some nuggets:

Now women can be recognized as war criminals too! Yay feminism?

Really hope that oppressed women in Muslim nations appreciate that the drone above their heads was sent by empowered women.

Yes! We must fight for a womans right to be as sociopathic and toxic as any man. This is real progress. Liberty is just around the corner.

https://www.rt.com/usa/448210-maddow-cia-female-leadership/
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TheRock1525
01/08/19 4:29:14 AM
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You're right, women need to be in burkas, not voting or driving, for society to thrive.
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Vlado
01/08/19 8:12:18 AM
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Doesn't look like you got the point of that tweet...
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Espeon
01/08/19 8:27:25 AM
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Again Vlado, you claim half of Hillarys voters hate her and just hate Trump more. Why is that relevant? I mean, surely by the same logic, half of Trumps voters (the kinds of brain dead mouth breathers getting MAD about a female CIA director, for example) hate him, but hate Hillary more.

Meanwhile, youre still using that old Ben Shapiro tactic of shifting the debate to make the other side look like theyre arguing something they are not. While Dems are incensed at the electoral college loss (and you would be too if, as a member of the EU, you voted for a law in the popular majority, but had the will of the majority overridden), we are not arguing for or against the electoral college right now. We are arguing that Donald Trump, and the nationalist ideology you claim he represents, are WILDLY unpopular, as evidenced by him losing the popular vote in 2016, and Republicans tanking in general in the elections since then.

You KNOW the popular vote matters, otherwise the whole millions of illegal votes conspiracy never wouldve cropped up. You just dont want to admit that youre wrong. And that youre far more in the minority in your views than you want to be.
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Vlado
01/08/19 8:33:20 AM
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Espeon posted...
and you would be too

No, I wouldn't be. The ball possession analogy applies. I know the goal is to score more goals, not keep the ball.
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TheRock1525
01/08/19 9:45:21 AM
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Trump finished 46 out of 58 elections in the electoral college.
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Vlado
01/09/19 8:33:21 AM
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Trump delivers excellent address to the nation highlighting the HUGE harm of illegal immigration:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HA-wY6aQd4" data-time="


The lame part is that he's accepted it won't be a concrete wall, i.e. it will be a half-measure. Pathetic.
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ColZach
01/09/19 10:03:37 AM
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Well Vlado is right about one thing, Trump is fucking pathetic.
Jakyl25
01/09/19 10:27:05 AM
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Vlado posted...

The lame part is that he's accepted it won't be a concrete wall, i.e. it will be a half-measure. Pathetic.


You saw that graphic he tweeted! I dont know why you thought he wasnt serious
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Vlado
01/09/19 10:37:50 AM
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I knew he was serious. I am just taking the chance to express my disappointment again.
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TheRock1525
01/09/19 11:26:29 AM
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Are you okay with the government using eminent domain to put up this wall on private property?
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Jakyl25
01/09/19 11:26:59 AM
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TheRock1525 posted...
Are you okay with the government using eminent domain to put up this wall on private property?


Im surprised you even have to ask
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TheRock1525
01/09/19 11:28:40 AM
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I'm just wondering if the Bulgarian government said "we need to install a massive guard tower in he middle of your house for safety" if he would agree to it.
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Vlado
01/09/19 11:34:59 AM
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If it's a legitimate concern (and in the US/Mexico border case, it is), sure. My house is not on a border, so nope. Common sense applies.
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TheRock1525
01/09/19 11:43:28 AM
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Vlado posted...
If it's a legitimate concern (and in the US/Mexico border case, it is), sure. My house is not on a border, so nope. Common sense applies.


Terrorists are flying unmanned suicide drones into the country and they need all houses installed with anti aircraft guard towers to prevent them from attacking.

For your own safety, the government has said they must be installed or you will be jailed.

Are you ok with that?
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Mr Lasastryke
01/09/19 1:03:53 PM
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wow, it's almost as if trump always knew he was full of shit about the "we're going to buy a giant wall and make mexico pay for it" thing but said it anyway to get elected (and it worked).
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Vlado
01/09/19 3:50:56 PM
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
wow, it's almost as if trump always knew he was full of shit about the "we're going to buy a giant wall and make mexico pay for it" thing but said it anyway to get elected (and it worked).

It can be done if there's the will for it. Doesn't look like the will for it is there, however. This is pathetic circus, and it doesn't look like the US will even be around in 30 years. But that is the future they chose (or allowed to be chosen for them).

Meanwhile, globalist puppets declare being a man to be "psychologically harmful."
https://www.rt.com/usa/448410-apa-masculinity-bad-psychology/

Putin is probably having a laugh almost everyday as he hears a summary of American news.
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Kenri
01/09/19 4:01:00 PM
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Vlado posted...
Meanwhile, globalist puppets declare being a man to be "psychologically harmful."

mostly to others lmao
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MoogleKupo141
01/09/19 4:46:54 PM
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Meanwhile, globalist puppets declare being a man to be "psychologically harmful."
https://www.rt.com/usa/448410-apa-masculinity-bad-psychology/

Putin is probably having a laugh almost everyday as he hears a summary of American news.


RTs ability to take one clause of one sentence to misrepresent something so it fits their agenda is really impressive .

Even just in the tweet thread the article links to, the APA refers to positive aspects of traditional masculinity too. The "psychologically harmful" part is just this:

https://twitter.com/APA/status/1082401926782861316?s=20

basically the point is just that there's traditionally pressure on men to keep their feelings inside or not ask for help when in distress, and that is psychologically harmful

like it's literally a set of guidelines trying to determine how best to help men psychologically and they're somehow making it out to be anti-man.
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Jakyl25
01/09/19 4:50:57 PM
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Vlado posted...
This is pathetic circus, and it doesn't look like the US will even be around in 30 years.


Please regale us again with the sequence of events that would result in this.
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MoogleKupo141
01/09/19 4:58:18 PM
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from the RT article:

The association blames this masculinity for the fact that 90 percent of homicides in the US are committed by men, and for the fact that men are over three times more likely to die from suicide than women.


so the APA's logic is basically: Traditional masculinity leads men to not seek helps, not seeking help results in them being more likely to commit suicide. This seems reasonable to me.

my question to Vlado is: if not masculinity, what do you think is responsible for men's substantially higher suicide rate? There must be something causing the disparity.
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MoogleKupo141
01/09/19 5:07:32 PM
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also, sorry to waste posts which are obviously a valuable limited resource, but holy shit the comments on that article are incredible

Psychology and psychiatry, two pseudo-scientific fields created and controlled by the same old Judeo-Marxist mafia. The purpose of these "disciplines" is to subvert traditional society and help to usher in the globo-homo "new world order". They never cured a single "patient", all they do is put labels on people that can be exploited for political purposes. It's a total scam.

it's always the Jews
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Seginustemple
01/09/19 5:56:01 PM
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I'm so sick of those judeo-marxist globo-homos putting frikkin labels on everything
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