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argonautweakend
02/01/19 3:21:10 PM
#109:


Zeus posted...

So you're basically pleading ignorance regarding the presidential primaries? That would explain a LOT, considering your apparent lack of political knowledge. You might also be surprised to learn that he insisted whites can't be poor.


Could you provide a source about the street corner thing? I was aware(and found links supporting) sanders said whites dont know what its like to live in ghettos and be poor, but nothing on the street corner.

I don't think you can call somebody ignorant when you make a claim that they research and turn up nothing. They at least tried to educate themselves.
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Zeus
02/01/19 3:22:45 PM
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darkknight109 posted...
Twenty years ago when social mores were different? Isn't that the point of this entire topic - that social norms change?


Except even 20 years ago that was nowhere near acceptable.

darkknight109 posted...
None of which addresses anything in the point you're responding to. What I pointed out is - regardless of the nature of the slur you're talking about - someone loses their "I didn't know any better" defence the instant the slur is pointed out and explained to them.


Oh? And you know for a fact that somebody explained that to them so they actually understood it? I could explain to you that it's offensive to use the word "dark" because it carries the connotation that darker colors are associated with evil and thereby indirectly promotes racism but, unless you internalize that lesson and actually believe it, nothing is going to change. However, if you grew up with that understanding, you'd already believe it so you'd either avoid it or, conversely, do it deliberately in a racist manner.

darkknight109 posted...

No, your response was always "I think Donald Trump is an old man." You never actually addressed whether you thought what he said was racist or not and it was only after several posts worth of prodding that you arrived at a tenuous "no" answer.


Racism requires a certain level of understanding understanding or intent, which again ties back into what I've repeatedly said -- Trump is an old man who doesn't understand those connotations in a way that somebody who grew up in the system would.

darkknight109 posted...
Which, as previously mentions, shoots a few holes in your earlier assertions in this topic, because it means that you can apparently make statements that are racist without those statements being racist just by dint of being old.


Which, as previously mentioned, ties back to context. Again, for instance, if you grew up in an age when you taught to say colored because that was the politically correct thing to say, odds are you're going to innocently say it from time to time. And colored is a far more readily understood slur than animal.

darkknight109 posted...
Personal anecdotes are not citations. If you think they are, then here's my counterpoint: every senior citizen I've ever met (with one exception - a very bad alcoholic who has numerous life problems) understands evolving social mores and keeps on top of them.


Because, again, you don't seem to talk to many people. You have a skewed worldview based on an overly apparent lack of offline communication, which is you insist on having statistics nobody has collected to prove something you should already know.
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Zeus
02/01/19 3:24:53 PM
#111:


HelIWithoutSin posted...
Another week.


Tempus fugit.

argonautweakend posted...
Zeus posted...

So you're basically pleading ignorance regarding the presidential primaries? That would explain a LOT, considering your apparent lack of political knowledge. You might also be surprised to learn that he insisted whites can't be poor.


Could you provide a source about the street corner thing? I was aware(and found links supporting) sanders said whites dont know what its like to live in ghettos and be poor, but nothing on the street corner.

I don't think you can call somebody ignorant when you make a claim that they research and turn up nothing. They at least tried to educate themselves.


Do you mean am I going to rewatch all of the presidential primaries to show something I know because you guys were too lazy to watch them the first time around? No, and you know that's an unreasonable request. It *should* be included in one of the primary topics I made which you could find if you go to one of those archive sites that Helly is always claiming exist.
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argonautweakend
02/01/19 3:27:17 PM
#112:


I don't think its an unreasonable request to back up what you say, especially when you call somebody ignorant for researching something but unable to come up with info. If it was said wouldn't that be as easy to find as the whites dont know what its like to be poor remark, which took me all of 10 seconds?
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Zeus
02/01/19 3:38:22 PM
#113:


I'll google around for it later. So far I found a tweet responding to his remark, though.... and apparently I can't link it because Gamefaqs auto-censors the person's name because it has 3 letters in a row in it.

https://twitter.com/kmanja
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darkknight109
02/01/19 5:42:55 PM
#114:


Zeus posted...
Again, depends on the context.

But that's not what you said originally; you just said that calling people animals was racist, full stop. Not "it can be racist, depending on context." In fact, most of the people you were arguing with were trying to point out to you the exact same thing you're saying now, which you weren't having.

Zeus posted...
And, of course, some words are harder stops than others.

You are, once again, completely misconstruing the issue.

Trump didn't accidentally call immigrants animals. He called them animals, several people pointed out that doing so was racist and explained the connotations of what he had said, and then - in direct response to those people - he called them animals again.

You're trying to paint this like Trump was doing this by accident, which he absolutely was not.

Zeus posted...
Once you get a little older, maybe you'll understand.

This is hilarious given that I'm almost certainly older than you are, judging by some of the things you've posted in the past.

Zeus posted...
I know how old you aren't.

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say here, can you post it in English please?

Zeus posted...
...and people are STILL using that then correcting themselves afterward, if it at all. All you're doing is showing what a moving target these things are.

Again, you're painting this like Trump did this without realizing it. He lost that plausible deniability when someone pointed out what he was doing to him.

Zeus posted...
No, I'm not projecting.

I don't know, you seem awfully touchy about this subject. Are you angry you can't get away with using a racist slur of some kind that you used to use or something?

Zeus posted...
There's a CONSTANT push on new words all the time. There's no fucking possible way that you could keep up with everything

I mean, I've never been accused of racism or using a slur that I didn't realize was a slur, so I seem to have managed just fine.
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darkknight109
02/01/19 5:43:09 PM
#115:


Zeus posted...
It's absolutely irrelevant given that the term is currently both less controversial and really known more to young people.

If that's the case, why were you busy arguing with people that calling people animals was mad-racist? You seem to have done a complete 180 as soon as I pointed out that Trump used the exact same language you were criticizing others for and are now saying "Well, it's really not *that* racist, and young people are the only ones who care anyways".

Zeus posted...
And it baffles me that you think a society's leader should solely focus on studying lesser mores than actually governing.

Contrary to your assertions, a decent leader does not need to spend time "studying" what language is and is not acceptable, because they simply don't use language that ever even borders on offensive. Again, I'm not familiar with any president of either party in the last ~40 years having an issue with this. Perhaps I have forgotten a faux pas somewhere, but it's definitely not a common event.

Zeus posted...
So you're basically pleading ignorance regarding the presidential primaries?

Yes, actually. Not my country, so I didn't particularly care at that point. I kept abreast of the highlights, but did I actually pay any substantial attention to the primaries? No, and I never have.

Zeus posted...
That would explain a LOT, considering your apparent lack of political knowledge. You might also be surprised to learn that he insisted whites can't be poor.

Fascinating, but I'm still not seeing a source (for your previous comment - I did find Bernie's comments on race you're referencing here, unrelated and irrelevant to the discussion though they may be). And no, "the primaries" are not a source. That's like me saying "Yes, I found this fact - it's in the Encyclopedia Britannica."

Unless you can provide a specific clip or news article quoting him saying what you're attributing to him, I'm going to assume that you're either:
a) Completely misconstruing something he actually said;
b) Misremembering the quote or attributing it to someone who didn't actually say it; or
c) Flat out making shit up

You can change that assumption, but only if you actually provide a source.

It's hilarious to me that you're accusing me of political ignorance, yet can't be bothered to back up your own statements with an actual source.

Zeus posted...
Except even 20 years ago that was nowhere near acceptable.

So, funny thing about that - I didn't actually look up the full context when you originally referenced it and I just did. Turns out she never actually calls African Americans "superpredators" - she just says that juvenile gangs connected to drug cartels are "superpredators" that have no conscience or empathy, never suggesting that the gangs were composed of African Americans.

Trump and Reince Priebus attempted to slag her with it in an attempt to reduce her standing with African American voters and, to be fair, Clinton did apologize when pressed by BLM reps (I suspect more out of a sense of political expediency than anything else), but her initial comments weren't nearly as controversial as you're suggesting. And you sound like you were pretty young in the 90s, if you were alive at all, so I'll go ahead and point out that nothing of what she said would have raised many eyebrows back then.
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darkknight109
02/01/19 5:44:18 PM
#116:


Zeus posted...
Oh? And you know for a fact that somebody explained that to them so they actually understood it?

I do concede that Trump could just be a complete moron, like you're suggesting here, but that honestly doesn't paint him in a much better light.

Zeus posted...
Racism requires a certain level of understanding understanding or intent, which again ties back into what I've repeatedly said -- Trump is an old man who doesn't understand those connotations in a way that somebody who grew up in the system would.

Which would have been fine if that was your initial response, but it had to be pried out of you. You didn't say "I don't think it was really racist when Trump said it because of these reasons..." - if you had, that would have been an acceptable answer to the question. Instead you continued to dodge for a few posts until you finally came out with a qualified "no".

Zeus posted...
Which, as previously mentioned, ties back to context. Again, for instance, if you grew up in an age when you taught to say colored because that was the politically correct thing to say, odds are you're going to innocently say it from time to time.

Alright, so what's your excuse for saying "calling people animals is racist" to people who very well could have grown up with the term the same way Trump did?

Zeus posted...
Because, again, you don't seem to talk to many people.

You're projecting again.

Zeus posted...
You have a skewed worldview based on an overly apparent lack of offline communication, which is you insist on having statistics nobody has collected to prove something you should already know.

And here we see the Know-Nothingist's favourite defence - "We don't need no stinking stats, it's just common sense!"

To prove how ridiculous this is, let's do a little playing with numbers. The average person knows somewhere between 600 and 800 people, based on various estimates and studies that have been carried out. Note that this includes casual acquaintances, and people you are familiar with but barely know - Dunbar's Number provides the maximum number of people with whom someone can maintain a close social relationship as 150.

But you don't really need to be close to someone to know if they have a habit of making racist statements. So let's say you "know" 800 people. Problem is that those people aren't all going to be seniors - in fact, unless you're a senior yourself, most of them probably won't be seniors. The number of seniors in an average young person's life is likely in the low double digits, unless their job has them interacting with seniors on a regular basis. But, again, let's be generous and assume you know 100 seniors.

There's about 40 million seniors in the US, meaning our hypothetical example counts for just 0.00025% of the senior population, nowhere near enough for statistical relevance. Worse, it's not even randomly sampled, as most of those seniors are going to be clustered in a single geographical area.

This is exactly why your personal anecdotes, however interesting they are and however convinced you are of their validity, are worth precisely nothing in a debate like this. If you want me to take you seriously when say something like this, back it up with something that's more concrete.
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HelIWithoutSin
02/02/19 3:17:15 AM
#117:


I like how Zeus says it's irrelevant if a politician says racist shit because they're old and should be focused on governing and then says, "Hey, look over there at old racist Hillary and Bernie!" And everybody looks and asks him what he's pointing at and he goes, "I'm not going to tell you, you're all ignorant!" Left leaning centrists are a hoot.
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ClarkDuke
02/02/19 3:24:17 AM
#118:


Zeus is the type to join radical Evangelical groups, ok?
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Entity13
02/02/19 3:53:03 AM
#119:


Present statistics to Zeus--and he has actually done this to me twice in the past--and he will tell you that all statistics are made up on the spot, and that's assuming he won't call your source left-leaning. The correct statement or question, if ever, would be regarding the margin of error (example: 50% approval for Trump wit Latinos possibly having a MoE of 9.9 points, meaning the approval could be anywhere from 40.1 to 59.9%).

However, if he presents statistics and you ask him about the margin of error--again, he's done this with me, as have a couple other people on this board alone--then he'll just scoff at you and pretend no such standard exists or matters.

I'm sorry to say I did not save those examples from the past, years ago.
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HelIWithoutSin
02/05/19 10:13:24 PM
#120:


A week, yet again.
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
02/05/19 10:23:38 PM
#121:


Entity13 posted...
Present statistics to Zeus--and he has actually done this to me twice in the past--and he will tell you that all statistics are made up on the spot, and that's assuming he won't call your source left-leaning. The correct statement or question, if ever, would be regarding the margin of error (example: 50% approval for Trump wit Latinos possibly having a MoE of 9.9 points, meaning the approval could be anywhere from 40.1 to 59.9%).

However, if he presents statistics and you ask him about the margin of error--again, he's done this with me, as have a couple other people on this board alone--then he'll just scoff at you and pretend no such standard exists or matters.

I'm sorry to say I did not save those examples from the past, years ago.

Yup. He's downright crazy. He got suspended for harassing me for bein black in college.
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HelIWithoutSin
02/06/19 11:22:09 PM
#122:


What's his rating at now?
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joemodda
02/06/19 11:27:34 PM
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HelIWithoutSin
02/06/19 11:35:04 PM
#124:


Good for him. The biggest and best and most ratings SotU ever... until next year.
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Gunsandredroses
02/07/19 1:56:17 AM
#125:


Because 45% of Americans are more concerned with policy than politics?
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HelIWithoutSin
02/10/19 2:28:38 AM
#126:


One more week to go.
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ClarkDuke
02/10/19 4:50:53 AM
#127:


FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...
Entity13 posted...
Present statistics to Zeus--and he has actually done this to me twice in the past--and he will tell you that all statistics are made up on the spot, and that's assuming he won't call your source left-leaning. The correct statement or question, if ever, would be regarding the margin of error (example: 50% approval for Trump wit Latinos possibly having a MoE of 9.9 points, meaning the approval could be anywhere from 40.1 to 59.9%).

However, if he presents statistics and you ask him about the margin of error--again, he's done this with me, as have a couple other people on this board alone--then he'll just scoff at you and pretend no such standard exists or matters.

I'm sorry to say I did not save those examples from the past, years ago.

Yup. He's downright crazy. He got suspended for harassing me for bein black in college.

Who, Zeus he'd never harass someone, ok?

I kid, he harassed me during my cancer scare, he has no scruples, ok?
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St_Kevin
02/11/19 12:31:51 AM
#128:




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAIGb1lfpBw" data-time="

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HelIWithoutSin
02/15/19 12:47:15 AM
#129:


darkknight109 posted...
There's about 40 million seniors in the US, meaning our hypothetical example counts for just 0.00025% of the senior population, nowhere near enough for statistical relevance. Worse, it's not even randomly sampled, as most of those seniors are going to be clustered in a single geographical area.


All of the seniors in Zeus' retirement village are racist. That's why he settled there.
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CacciatoPart3
02/15/19 12:49:44 AM
#130:


Zeus posted...
I know how old you aren't.

I love how its its Zeus of all people saying something like this.
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ClarkDuke
02/15/19 10:41:10 PM
#131:


HelIWithoutSin posted...
darkknight109 posted...
There's about 40 million seniors in the US, meaning our hypothetical example counts for just 0.00025% of the senior population, nowhere near enough for statistical relevance. Worse, it's not even randomly sampled, as most of those seniors are going to be clustered in a single geographical area.


All of the seniors in Zeus' retirement village are racist. That's why he settled there.

I bet they all have matching robes and hoods, ok?

CacciatoPart3 posted...
Zeus posted...
I know how old you aren't.

I love how its its Zeus of all people saying something like this.

Dementia, ok?
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
02/16/19 4:47:06 PM
#132:


ClarkDuke posted...
FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...
Entity13 posted...
Present statistics to Zeus--and he has actually done this to me twice in the past--and he will tell you that all statistics are made up on the spot, and that's assuming he won't call your source left-leaning. The correct statement or question, if ever, would be regarding the margin of error (example: 50% approval for Trump wit Latinos possibly having a MoE of 9.9 points, meaning the approval could be anywhere from 40.1 to 59.9%).

However, if he presents statistics and you ask him about the margin of error--again, he's done this with me, as have a couple other people on this board alone--then he'll just scoff at you and pretend no such standard exists or matters.

I'm sorry to say I did not save those examples from the past, years ago.

Yup. He's downright crazy. He got suspended for harassing me for bein black in college.

Who, Zeus he'd never harass someone, ok?

I kid, he harassed me during my cancer scare, he has no scruples, ok?

He's gotta victim complex among the dozen others
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ClarkDuke
02/18/19 10:23:38 PM
#133:


FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...
ClarkDuke posted...
FrndNhbrHdCEman posted...
Entity13 posted...
Present statistics to Zeus--and he has actually done this to me twice in the past--and he will tell you that all statistics are made up on the spot, and that's assuming he won't call your source left-leaning. The correct statement or question, if ever, would be regarding the margin of error (example: 50% approval for Trump wit Latinos possibly having a MoE of 9.9 points, meaning the approval could be anywhere from 40.1 to 59.9%).

However, if he presents statistics and you ask him about the margin of error--again, he's done this with me, as have a couple other people on this board alone--then he'll just scoff at you and pretend no such standard exists or matters.

I'm sorry to say I did not save those examples from the past, years ago.

Yup. He's downright crazy. He got suspended for harassing me for bein black in college.

Who, Zeus he'd never harass someone, ok?

I kid, he harassed me during my cancer scare, he has no scruples, ok?

He's gotta victim complex among the dozen others

being a neo-nazi in 2019, isn't easy, ok?
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HelIWithoutSin
02/23/19 3:29:22 AM
#134:


It's been 3 weeks. The dementia must be acting up.
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St_Kevin
02/23/19 4:12:36 AM
#135:


This is still here?


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Valiant_Kaiser
02/23/19 4:32:51 AM
#136:


AllstarSniper32 posted...
Judgmenl posted...
Do you think the president is trying to do what is best for the country?

You mean, is shutting down the government to build a wall on a boarder in 2019?

I don't think he knows that ladders or shovels have been invented, let alone what's best for the country.

He's doing good at wanting to spend tax money on something idiotic.

He's still hung up on the invention of the wheel. Shovels and ladders are going to blow his mind.
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HelIWithoutSin
03/01/19 1:03:09 AM
#137:


St_Kevin posted...
This is still here?




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St_Kevin
03/01/19 12:44:37 PM
#138:


Ahh
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The_tall_midget
03/01/19 2:02:44 PM
#139:


Same reason why some idiots still defending their queen, AOC, despite her telling them that they're peasants sitting in the cheap seats.

Grovel before your queen, peasants!
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Entity13
03/01/19 3:43:47 PM
#140:


The_tall_midget posted...
Same reason why some idiots still defending their queen, AOC, despite her telling them that they're peasants sitting in the cheap seats.


Curious question: What's your source and exact quote on this one?
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ninja_lootz
03/01/19 3:48:40 PM
#141:


Entity13 posted...
The_tall_midget posted...
Same reason why some idiots still defending their queen, AOC, despite her telling them that they're peasants sitting in the cheap seats.


Curious question: What's your source and exact quote on this one?

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1099126500924760064
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Entity13
03/01/19 3:59:53 PM
#142:


ninja_lootz posted...
Entity13 posted...
The_tall_midget posted...
Same reason why some idiots still defending their queen, AOC, despite her telling them that they're peasants sitting in the cheap seats.


Curious question: What's your source and exact quote on this one?

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1099126500924760064


So you interpreted that as such, huh? I see that as more taking charge of running an event--something that is nothing to do with nobility versus peasantry--on stage, and the people complaining are effectively doing so from either the "nosebleed section," the seats in the rear, or from outside the venue where the sound quality is shit, because they refuse to actually contribute anything of value. She is furthermore saying this to people criticizing her, not to her supporters, so you sitting there saying that she's calling her worshippers peasants is inaccurate at best.

Looking at the comments I see more of her critics confusing the aspect of taking charge. On one hand, that's kind of sad seeing so many people not realize you can take charge of an idea, an event, or a movement, without being the boss. On the other hand, of course she's enthusiastic about wanting to get things done, and that's the sort of thing we need from Congress; not campaigning for umpteen more terms of sitting around and campaigning for more terms while actually ignoring the needs of constituents. No, I don't see her calling herself the queen of anything, only someone taking up the reins because other people in her position refuse to even touch said reins (as though touching them costs the entire political career).
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St_Kevin
03/03/19 4:25:06 PM
#143:


Ermagerd it ticking back up again
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GanglyKhan
03/03/19 4:27:14 PM
#144:


Opinions are a crazy thing, man
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St_Kevin
03/03/19 4:28:46 PM
#145:


Yah dude
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ClarkDuke
03/04/19 3:33:45 AM
#146:


HelIWithoutSin posted...
It's been 3 weeks. The dementia must be acting up.

reminds me of his personal board, full of his ramblings, ok?
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HelIWithoutSin
03/09/19 3:35:54 AM
#147:


How embarrassing.
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ClarkDuke
03/09/19 4:21:27 AM
#148:


HelIWithoutSin posted...
How embarrassing.

he's had it rough, unemployment isn't easy. like Icoyar, he's consistently voting against his own self interests, ok?

he deserves a Darwin Award, ok?
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ClarkDuke
03/12/19 4:08:16 AM
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HelIWithoutSin
03/18/19 12:12:54 AM
#150:


Lol
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St_Kevin
03/18/19 9:44:04 AM
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ernieforss
03/18/19 11:15:57 AM
#152:


he still can win 2020 presidency.
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Voxwik
03/18/19 12:19:41 PM
#153:


He said his supporters would stand by him if he shot someone in the middle of the street in daylight.

Sadly, it looks like he was right. It's chilling he can just tell blatant lies incessantly and still get defended.

He's very obviously at this point setting up for destroying our freedom. He calls the media the enemy of the people quite regularly. He's suggested there should be revenge for Saturday Night Live making fun of him. He's said "they should look into" taking away licenses from those that report news he doesn't like. He lies about having the biggest inauguration crowd in history.

Most chilling, he claims there is no way he'd ever lose a legitimate election. This guy plans to stay in power, and he's setting up his supporters to turn on anyone that opposes him as the "enemy of the people."
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
03/21/19 3:30:06 AM
#154:


Facebook and Twitter: rise of the falsely informed voter.
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NightMareBunny
03/21/19 4:00:38 AM
#155:


Voxwik posted...
He said his supporters would stand by him if he shot someone in the middle of the street in daylight.

Sadly, it looks like he was right. It's chilling he can just tell blatant lies incessantly and still get defended.

He's very obviously at this point setting up for destroying our freedom. He calls the media the enemy of the people quite regularly. He's suggested there should be revenge for Saturday Night Live making fun of him. He's said "they should look into" taking away licenses from those that report news he doesn't like. He lies about having the biggest inauguration crowd in history.

Most chilling, he claims there is no way he'd ever lose a legitimate election. This guy plans to stay in power, and he's setting up his supporters to turn on anyone that opposes him as the "enemy of the people."


it's pure insanity
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Superlinkbro
03/23/19 11:06:56 AM
#156:


Should be at 0% tbh
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The_tall_midget
03/23/19 11:12:56 AM
#157:


Superlinkbro posted...
Should be at 0% tbh


But that doesn't matter because he's going to be impeached any moment now thanks to the Mueller report!
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
03/23/19 6:22:57 PM
#158:


Trumps been quiet on Twitter.
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