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ImTheMacheteGuy
12/30/18 11:40:55 AM
#253:


_B0xxY_2J_0sHBK posted...
DarkRoast posted...
Conservatives do a good enough job of being obviously stupid and hypocritical. They don't need help. Simply putting a camera on them is more effective than actually criticizing them.

Liberals have the benefit of an equally hypocritical media unwilling (and lacking the self awareness) to criticize themselves.

You missed the "obviously stupid" part on the second point. Case in point, go look at that triggered vape video. Really both sides have A LOT in common. The only real difference betwee. An D and an R is a pair of lines


I see Coffeebeanz as a reasonable moderate here and that's a controversial opinion especially to the left. I stand firm by it though, and you are absolutely incorrect. She is right in that conservatives derail their own side on camera, but your example of liberals derails itself because once again you have fallen victim to "random lunatics making asses of themselves while someone records it = aLL LiBeRaLs!" syndrome. You watch vape guy... "sEe LoOk At ThE LeFt! ThEy aLL r LiKe tHiS!" That is "I have no idea what the fuck I'm talking about and because I don't know things and I dislike one side, I abandon reason for hypergeneralization" logic.
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DarkRoast
12/30/18 11:51:46 AM
#254:


I'd say I'm probably more left-wing than right-wing, but I don't consider myself a liberal. Not even sure what I consider myself anymore. It's really hard to identify with either party lately.

It's basically lesser-evilism vs semi-fascism. I guess one is better than the other, but I'd rather have an actual good choice.
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RickyTheBAWSE
12/30/18 12:02:08 PM
#255:


"I'm a true moderate cuz both sides, rite?"

"Only the biggest brains of the brains stay out of politics until its time to blindly vote out of spite for whichever "side" I find the most irritating. the mature intellect's criteria!"
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ImTheMacheteGuy
12/30/18 12:08:16 PM
#256:


DarkRoast posted...
I'd say I'm probably more left-wing than right-wing, but I don't consider myself a liberal. Not even sure what I consider myself anymore. It's really hard to identify with either party lately.

It's basically lesser-evilism vs semi-fascism. I guess one is better than the other, but I'd rather have an actual good choice.


Agreed. I've mostly given up on good choices though.
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ThyCorndog
12/30/18 12:10:18 PM
#257:


I wonder if some moderates are just libertarians
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RickyTheBAWSE
12/30/18 12:15:57 PM
#258:


be careful with "Libertarians," lol. a lot are just Conservatives with "states rights" rhetoric
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Thunder_Dogg
12/30/18 2:33:07 PM
#260:


Moderates have the flawed idea that by not being on a "side," they can freely criticize either side while not being able to be held to anything themselves.

Wrong.
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ledbowman
12/30/18 2:52:02 PM
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If you're a liberal who isn't satisfied with the DNC that doesn't mean you move right and start apologizing for conservatives in every topic. Push for more progressive policy. That's how you know these people are trolls or hypocrites.
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ThyCorndog
12/30/18 2:54:54 PM
#262:


ledbowman posted...
If you're a liberal who isn't satisfied with the DNC that doesn't mean you move right and start apologizing for conservatives in every topic. Push for more progressive policy. That's how you know these people are trolls or hypocrites.

yeah. I'm a leftist but I dislike the DNC and democratic party. I would never call myself a moderate just because I dislike the major "left wing" party of my country. the only reason I would do that is if I was never on the left to begin with
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RoboLaserGandhi
12/30/18 2:56:46 PM
#263:


pinky0926 posted...
Enlightened centrism, is a well known meme and it's really funny to see them in the wild.

The "I'm not bogged down by bias, I just skirt along the middle of every issue like a true intellectual" guy.

Is that really how it is, or is that just your exaggerated take?

Because I almost never see this. I only see butthurt people exaggerating the "enlightenment" of moderate elitism because they hold moderate opinions in higher objective regard, even if they don't admit it, so a dissenting moderate opinion strikes their ego with some force.
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RickyTheBAWSE
12/30/18 3:06:27 PM
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I've always leaned more Conservative. social issues are typically where I'm more Left leaning, but even then only to a point.

the internet is the only place I've been called a SJW, lolololol. and it's only after I call somebody out on their bigotry.
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Darkman124
12/30/18 4:56:55 PM
#265:


DarkRoast posted...
I'd say I'm probably more left-wing than right-wing, but I don't consider myself a liberal. Not even sure what I consider myself anymore. It's really hard to identify with either party lately.

It's basically lesser-evilism vs semi-fascism. I guess one is better than the other, but I'd rather have an actual good choice.


I view you as a populist who only posts after 24-hour on-call days.

PowerfulSageIRL posted...
by "progression of society", are you referring to the accumulation of wealth in a few hands while everyone else becomes poorer until they starve?

by "slow the progression", do you mean "implement some nice but ultimately ineffectual socdem policies to placate the poor people so they don't stage a revolution"?

and by "disruption of order" do you mean said revolution?

because that's one possible interpretation of what you said.


The answer to all of your questions is no.

The advancement I refer to is the natural progress of a society towards a status in which all citizens have equal rights and opportunities, via broadly popular changes. In the US, that translates to the ending of gerrymandering and the electoral college, removal of voting barriers that prevent registered voters from participating in elections, equal treatment under the law, etc. And of course, welfare programs that enable citizens to prioritize advancement over basic survival.

The above are supported by well over 50% of the US population, yet are not in place largely because of the chaos their implementation would create (mostly for campaign donors).

Slowing the progression is what the US GOP did for most of its existence, until somewhat recently. Historically, they have favored more incremental changes to policies and programs, such as favoring what is now Obamacare when the Clintons proposed a single-payer healthcare system in the 90s.

But starting around the civil rights act and progressing more over time until its crescendo in 2010, the GOP has shifted to a reactionary position somewhere between "there will be absolutely no further progress in this area" and "we should actually rewind and remove some of what has been accomplished." Rather than presenting competing ideas and promoting amendments to democratic party bills to draw policy changes to the right, they ceased participation entirely. This was when we saw use of the procedural filibuster on 100% of bills, including justice appointments, and when the number of bills passed in a session of congress plummeted from 400-500 to 100 or so (and most of these were not consequential).

Such a status is not historically typical, nor is it long-term stable for a political party, except in a system like the US where gerrymandering enables a minority to control the house, and an even smaller minority to control the senate. The senate is more a consequence of an ill-conceived legislative design in our constitution that never considered states might have population variations as wide as today, which in turn is a result of the rapid urbanization of the last 30 years.

So we have to remember--the status quo here in the US is not representative of normal right/left distribution. We have a moderate conservative party and a reactionary party, rather than a traditional left and right.

By disruption of order, I mean riots, such as the LA riots of 1992, large-scale protests such as the nationwide reactions in the black community to recent police brutality, particularly in places like Baltimore, and yes, revolution.

Both the center left and right prefer not to have a revolution. The extreme right would create a police state or counter-revolution to prevent it; the extreme left would support the revolution if it advanced their goals.
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DarkRoast
12/30/18 6:07:46 PM
#266:


Peter Capaldi vs. Matt Smith, Go
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Kineth
12/30/18 6:14:56 PM
#267:


DarkRoast posted...
Peter Capaldi vs. Matt Smith, Go


Capaldi
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TrevorBlack79
12/30/18 6:30:22 PM
#268:


DarkRoast posted...
Peter Capaldi vs. Matt Smith, Go


Tennant.
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iron jojo
12/30/18 8:04:37 PM
#269:


ThyCorndog posted...
iron jojo posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
;_;

show one post where I was crying

you cant and you wont

This topic.
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RickyTheBAWSE
12/30/18 8:10:14 PM
#270:


I keep scrollin'
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ThyCorndog
12/30/18 9:39:25 PM
#271:


iron jojo posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
iron jojo posted...
ThyCorndog posted...
;_;

show one post where I was crying

you cant and you wont

I'm trolling you TC.

gotchu
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TheMikh
12/31/18 3:42:46 PM
#272:


really, I just don't care enough about these ideologies to differentiate between them. they're all despicable s***heads regardless of the specifics of their ideology


seems like i'm wasting my time having this discussion then
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RickyTheBAWSE
12/31/18 3:45:52 PM
#273:


TheMikh posted...
really, I just don't care enough about these ideologies to differentiate between them. they're all despicable s***heads regardless of the specifics of their ideology


seems like i'm wasting my time having this discussion then


that's typically what it all boils down to.

I have no ideas why the uninformed and uninterested even try to engage. it tells you a lot about that individual, and TRUST that this isn't all its limited to.

these types are disingenuous and half stepping in almost every other aspect of life too.
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