Poll of the Day > Just watched Infinity War again. (SPOILERS)

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AllstarSniper32
12/25/18 6:27:15 AM
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Man, I swear no matter how many times I watch it, Spider-man after the snap will always choke me up and bring tears.
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Zangulus
12/25/18 6:29:48 AM
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Wuss.
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AllstarSniper32
12/25/18 6:51:21 AM
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I'm not crying, I'm just sweating from my heart!!!
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rogerskg1979
12/25/18 8:30:47 AM
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AllstarSniper32 posted...
sweating from my heart


That sounds like a really disturbing medical problem.
LeetCheet
12/25/18 9:43:18 AM
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As much as I love Infinity War, the fact that we already know about future films kinda takes away from an otherwise excellent ending : /
Yeah Spider man died but we already know about the Spider Man Homecoming sequel so...
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ParanoidObsessive
12/25/18 9:52:38 AM
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LeetCheet posted...
As much as I love Infinity War, the fact that we already know about future films kinda takes away from an otherwise excellent ending : /
Yeah Spider man died but we already know about the Spider Man Homecoming sequel so...

If you're over the age of 12 and have anything even remotely resembling narrative awareness, it should have been blatantly obvious right from the very moment it happened that it was going to be undone eventually. Even the fact that Avengers 4 was going to be a thing makes that abundantly clear, because there's no way the MCU was ever going to continue in any fashion whatsoever with that ending being unchanged.

The only REAL question is whether people who died prior to the snap will also come back, a la Loki or Gamora, but let's be honest, we all know they're almost certainly coming back as well.


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12/25/18 10:50:29 AM
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quigonzel
12/25/18 11:33:57 AM
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I was able to be in the moment with the snap deaths even while knowing the future Marvel films in production will most certainly undo a lot of them.

I looked at it like this: you know they're coming back, I know they're coming back....but the characters sure as hell don't.
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AllstarSniper32
12/26/18 7:25:09 PM
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Watched it again before I went to sleep last night XD Well...in my case I went to sleep early this morning but whatever!
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DrCidd
12/26/18 7:45:45 PM
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People keep saying Thanos' plan was really flawed. But that's the point. That's what makes him a villain. If it was the perfect plan, nobody would be against him and there'd be no movie.
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Wii3Kings
12/26/18 8:21:15 PM
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DrCidd posted...
People keep saying Thanos' plan was really flawed. But that's the point. That's what makes him a villain. If it was the perfect plan, nobody would be against him and there'd be no movie.

Not sure if theyd go this route but I would like it if They might go with the secret invasion storyline and when they come back theyll be Skrulls instead
Edit: not sure why but it quoted this instead of quigs post.
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AllstarSniper32
12/26/18 8:24:29 PM
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DrCidd posted...
If it was the perfect plan, nobody would be against him

I dunno, people can be quite stupid.
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DrCidd
12/26/18 8:33:09 PM
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AllstarSniper32 posted...
I dunno, people can be quite stupid.


Yeah...this is true.

But my point still stands. He's a villain BECAUSE his plan was flawed.
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ParanoidObsessive
12/26/18 8:53:26 PM
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DrCidd posted...
People keep saying Thanos' plan was really flawed. But that's the point. That's what makes him a villain. If it was the perfect plan, nobody would be against him and there'd be no movie.

That's not really true, though. What makes him a villain is the methods by which he attempts to achieve his goals. The logic of his plan being flawed or not has no real bearing on that.

Though some people would argue that he isn't even a villain, per se, merely an antagonist, which are two different things.


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DrCidd
12/26/18 9:10:26 PM
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Well, if his plan was to end all life in the universe (which it was), his method would pretty much always be considered evil.

I would even argue that his method was probably the most human way to go about it.
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ParanoidObsessive
12/26/18 9:59:42 PM
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DrCidd posted...
Well, if his plan was to end all life in the universe (which it was)

That's not his actual goal in either the comics OR the movies, though.


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AllstarSniper32
12/27/18 3:53:47 AM
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DrCidd posted...
I would even argue that his method was probably the most human way to go about it.

Killing half of life is human? or were you meaning humane?
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ASlaveObeys
12/27/18 9:22:04 AM
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Wii3Kings posted...
DrCidd posted...
People keep saying Thanos' plan was really flawed. But that's the point. That's what makes him a villain. If it was the perfect plan, nobody would be against him and there'd be no movie.

Not sure if theyd go this route but I would like it if They might go with the secret invasion storyline and when they come back theyll be Skrulls instead
Edit: not sure why but it quoted this instead of quigs post.

It looks like that's what's happening considering Cpt Marvel
Troll_Police_
12/27/18 9:28:05 AM
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If you start infinity war at 9:48 pm on new years eve, thanos will snap his fingers at midnight
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InfestedAdam
12/27/18 10:29:57 AM
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Even if it was expected that Thanos will win, still bugs me to see Star-Lord ruin their plan like that and shouldn't the Black Order have been much stronger than that?

On another note, I wonder if among all the possibilities that Strange saw of them still losing, if one involved him reversing time to and changing their approach with Thanos.
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Black_Crusher
12/27/18 10:44:43 AM
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LeetCheet posted...
As much as I love Infinity War, the fact that we already know about future films kinda takes away from an otherwise excellent ending : /
Yeah Spider man died but we already know about the Spider Man Homecoming sequel so...

Agreed, kind of dumb but maybe some of them will stay dead who knows?
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Black_Crusher
12/27/18 10:46:34 AM
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DrCidd posted...
People keep saying Thanos' plan was really flawed. But that's the point. That's what makes him a villain. If it was the perfect plan, nobody would be against him and there'd be no movie.

I'm not super into the comics but was there ever a chance that he himself would have been killed from the snap too or was he immune?
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LinkPizza
12/27/18 11:51:41 AM
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Black_Crusher posted...
DrCidd posted...
People keep saying Thanos' plan was really flawed. But that's the point. That's what makes him a villain. If it was the perfect plan, nobody would be against him and there'd be no movie.

I'm not super into the comics but was there ever a chance that he himself would have been killed from the snap too or was he immune?

I think the gloves protected him from it. Or maybe he said half of life, except him...
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ParanoidObsessive
12/27/18 11:57:17 AM
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LinkPizza posted...
Black_Crusher posted...
DrCidd posted...
People keep saying Thanos' plan was really flawed. But that's the point. That's what makes him a villain. If it was the perfect plan, nobody would be against him and there'd be no movie.

I'm not super into the comics but was there ever a chance that he himself would have been killed from the snap too or was he immune?

I think the gloves protected him from it. Or maybe he said half of life, except him...

In the comics he's literally an omniscient god when he has all six Infinity Gems. When he snaps and makes half the universe go away, he's essentially actively choosing every single person who stays and every single person who goes on some conscious level.

The movie implies he's not that powerful, and the Gauntlet itself is more of a tool of infinite power rather than something that makes the wearer themselves a god. So he probably deliberately specifies half the universe that isn't him, but it's mostly random choice. Though it's possible that he could be just as much in control of who stays and who goes as he was in the comics, and in that split-second moment he's essentially aware of everyone and everything in the entire universe and can pick and choose in an instant.

Either way, the likelihood that he would have been one of the ones who vanish is pretty much zero.


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Black_Crusher
12/27/18 7:42:02 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
LinkPizza posted...
Black_Crusher posted...
DrCidd posted...
People keep saying Thanos' plan was really flawed. But that's the point. That's what makes him a villain. If it was the perfect plan, nobody would be against him and there'd be no movie.

I'm not super into the comics but was there ever a chance that he himself would have been killed from the snap too or was he immune?

I think the gloves protected him from it. Or maybe he said half of life, except him...

In the comics he's literally an omniscient god when he has all six Infinity Gems. When he snaps and makes half the universe go away, he's essentially actively choosing every single person who stays and every single person who goes on some conscious level.

The movie implies he's not that powerful, and the Gauntlet itself is more of a tool of infinite power rather than something that makes the wearer themselves a god. So he probably deliberately specifies half the universe that isn't him, but it's mostly random choice. Though it's possible that he could be just as much in control of who stays and who goes as he was in the comics, and in that split-second moment he's essentially aware of everyone and everything in the entire universe and can pick and choose in an instant.

Either way, the likelihood that he would have been one of the ones who vanish is pretty much zero.


I think in a way it would've been better if he acknowledged he could die because of it too, but to achieve his ultimate goal he did it anyway as the ends were more important than the means to him.
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AllstarSniper32
12/27/18 7:43:38 PM
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InfestedAdam posted...
Even if it was expected that Thanos will win, still bugs me to see Star-Lord ruin their plan like that

To me, this is the dumbest complaint I've seen with Infinity War. Multiple characters throughout the movie are putting one person's life over half the life in the universe. His is just the easiest to see the consequences.

Black_Crusher posted...
LeetCheet posted...
As much as I love Infinity War, the fact that we already know about future films kinda takes away from an otherwise excellent ending : /
Yeah Spider man died but we already know about the Spider Man Homecoming sequel so...

Agreed, kind of dumb but maybe some of them will stay dead who knows?

Wait, do people really think the entirety of the MCU was supposed to end with Thanos' snap? For me, it doesn't take away from what happens at all, it just makes me wonder what they're going to do to bring the people who faded back.
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InfestedAdam
12/27/18 8:11:38 PM
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AllstarSniper32 posted...
Multiple characters throughout the movie are putting one person's life over half the life in the universe. His is just the easiest to see the consequences.

Fair point. When I think of it, Strange coulda let Stark die and possibly keep the Time Stone hidden. One life compared to trillions. Gamora chose Nebura as well over half the universe, etc. etc. Star-Lord mishap was the easiest to notice I'd admit and only seemed the worse since they, at the time, seemed so close to winning. On another note, if Thor didn't miss his head or didn't felt the need to gloat, that was another opportunity to win.
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ParanoidObsessive
12/27/18 8:38:27 PM
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InfestedAdam posted...
Strange coulda let Stark die and possibly keep the Time Stone hidden.

Almost certainly not.

By that point, Strange had already done his "I've scanned 14 million different possible scenarios and we lose in all of them but one" thing. The implication is that Stark basically HAS to be alive in order for them to win - Strange isn't making an emotionally-motivated choice to save a life at the cost of potentially losing, he's setting "the endgame" (his words) into motion, by making the only decision that can possibly lead to success.


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InfestedAdam
12/27/18 8:42:01 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
By that point, Strange had already done his "I've scanned 14 million different possible scenarios and we lose in all of them but one" thing.

My goodness my memory is horrible and I just watched this movie again two nights ago. Thank you for the reminder and correction.
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shadowsword87
12/27/18 8:43:48 PM
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I just don't really know what Thanos will do after this.
Like, just retire on some farm planet and live out his days peacefully?
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rogerskg1979
12/28/18 1:45:40 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
I just don't really know what Thanos will do after this.
Like, just retire on some farm planet and live out his days peacefully?


That's exactly what happened in the comics, and we see it in the Endgame trailer too. I am so glad they are actually using the scarecrow scene in the movie. lol
shadowsword87
12/28/18 3:30:05 PM
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rogerskg1979 posted...
shadowsword87 posted...
I just don't really know what Thanos will do after this.
Like, just retire on some farm planet and live out his days peacefully?


That's exactly what happened in the comics, and we see it in the Endgame trailer too. I am so glad they are actually using the scarecrow scene in the movie. lol


That's pretty awesome.
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Veedrock-
12/28/18 3:49:32 PM
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Black_Crusher posted...
I'm not super into the comics but was there ever a chance that he himself would have been killed from the snap too or was he immune?

People generalize the snap as half the universe, but Thanos' actual idea is half of every population. Assuming that's how it worked, Thanos had no chance of fading because his race is already extinct.
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shadowsword87
12/28/18 3:55:49 PM
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Veedrock- posted...
Black_Crusher posted...
I'm not super into the comics but was there ever a chance that he himself would have been killed from the snap too or was he immune?

People generalize the snap as half the universe, but Thanos' actual idea is half of every population. Assuming that's how it worked, Thanos had no chance of fading because his race is already extinct.


Not how percentage chance works, but ok.
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Veedrock-
12/28/18 4:28:50 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
Not how percentage chance works, but ok.

Meaning what?
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Zangulus
12/28/18 5:44:06 PM
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shadowsword87 posted...
Veedrock- posted...
Black_Crusher posted...
I'm not super into the comics but was there ever a chance that he himself would have been killed from the snap too or was he immune?

People generalize the snap as half the universe, but Thanos' actual idea is half of every population. Assuming that's how it worked, Thanos had no chance of fading because his race is already extinct.


Not how percentage chance works, but ok.


Except, that's exactly what Thanos did. "Perfect Balance, as all things should be." He was killing half of each population, not a random chance to total half of the life in the universe. That wouldn't work, you'd have some life that was left alone, and other's that were completely wiped out by random chance. Which is not what he wanted.
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ParanoidObsessive
12/28/18 6:48:07 PM
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Veedrock- posted...
shadowsword87 posted...
Not how percentage chance works, but ok.

Meaning what?

To be fair, if he killed 50% of every existing population and he was currently 100% of his own population, it would have to kick into complicated rules lawyering, where either there'd still be a 50-50 chance he'd die, or half of his body would die, or something.

But which again, only really applies if he left himself in the potential pool, or that he had no real control over the process, which doesn't seem to be the case. The entire process was powered by intent, and presumably at least part of his intent was that he'd survive the process to see the successful conclusion of his life's work.

He didn't have to magic genie wish what he wanted with careful wording, he apparently wordlessly wished for exactly what he wanted and then snapped his fingers to symbolically trigger it (realistically, he shouldn't necessarily even have needed to do that specifically, since he already showed previously that he could use the powers of the stones he had as long as his hand was entirely free - the gestures were almost more psychosomatic than mandatory). So even a subconscious wish to survive or exclude himself would give him a 100% chance of survival.


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quigonzel
12/28/18 6:59:36 PM
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I just figured the wielder of the gauntlet is impervious to its effects.
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LinkPizza
12/28/18 7:16:22 PM
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Well, I dont think he wanted to wipe out any race. So, if the race only had one person left, they probably wouldn't be affected... That seems likely. Or what PO said in 24. Which goes well with something else I remember hearing about or reading...
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ParanoidObsessive
12/28/18 7:27:07 PM
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quigonzel posted...
I just figured the wielder of the gauntlet is impervious to its effects.

Impervious to the backlash and feedback of its effects, but it doesn't render him completely immune to its power in any way.

Like, if he wanted to wish himself a 14" penis, he totally could.


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Black_Crusher
12/28/18 9:19:40 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
quigonzel posted...
I just figured the wielder of the gauntlet is impervious to its effects.

Impervious to the backlash and feedback of its effects, but it doesn't render him completely immune to its power in any way.

Like, if he wanted to wish himself a 14" penis, he totally could.


You see that guy though? That'd probably be a downgrade.
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ParanoidObsessive
12/28/18 9:37:19 PM
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Black_Crusher posted...
You see that guy though? That'd probably be a downgrade.

Maybe he wants a downgrade. After a while it must get tough having sex if your dick is as big as her arm.

Hell, maybe that's why he's so set on wiping out half the universe. If he'd just get laid he'd lose interest.



And let's be honest, that pretty much IS his motivation in the comic anyway. He just wants to sex up Death herself. And seriously, why wouldn't you?

http://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/9/9c/Death_%28Earth-616%29_from_Thanos_Vol_2_4_001.jpg

http://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/2/2a/Thanos_%28Earth-616%29_and_Death_%28Earth-616%29_from_Annihilation_Vol_1_6_001.jpg

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2014/08/Thanos-Death-Marvel-Comics.jpg



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Zacek
12/28/18 11:47:24 PM
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This movie has an ending so perfect, that sometimes I whish they didn't make a sequel...
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AllstarSniper32
12/29/18 2:58:03 AM
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Zacek posted...
This movie has an ending so perfect, that sometimes I whish they didn't make a sequel...

I'm glad it's gonna keep going on. Because while I loved what happened, I don't want any of the characters to be permanently gone in the way it happened in this movie.

I don't mind if characters die, but I want it to be because they are beaten in a fight or something.
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Black_Crusher
12/29/18 10:55:49 AM
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AllstarSniper32 posted...
I don't mind if characters die, but I want it to be because they are beaten in a fight or something.


But they did! Not all fights are fists and rolling around on the ground. They lost the fight to save half of everyone everywhere.
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Zangulus
12/29/18 11:37:44 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Black_Crusher posted...
You see that guy though? That'd probably be a downgrade.

Maybe he wants a downgrade. After a while it must get tough having sex if your dick is as big as her arm.

Hell, maybe that's why he's so set on wiping out half the universe. If he'd just get laid he'd lose interest.

And let's be honest, that pretty much IS his motivation in the comic anyway. He just wants to sex up Death herself. And seriously, why wouldn't you?

http://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/9/9c/Death_%28Earth-616%29_from_Thanos_Vol_2_4_001.jpg

http://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/2/2a/Thanos_%28Earth-616%29_and_Death_%28Earth-616%29_from_Annihilation_Vol_1_6_001.jpg

http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2014/08/Thanos-Death-Marvel-Comics.jpg




To be fair, she could easily take thanos arm.
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AllstarSniper32
01/04/19 1:44:58 AM
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So far, since this has been on Netflix, I've watched it 3 times.
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Lil69Leo
01/04/19 1:47:02 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
LeetCheet posted...
As much as I love Infinity War, the fact that we already know about future films kinda takes away from an otherwise excellent ending : /
Yeah Spider man died but we already know about the Spider Man Homecoming sequel so...

If you're over the age of 12 and have anything even remotely resembling narrative awareness, it should have been blatantly obvious right from the very moment it happened that it was going to be undone eventually. Even the fact that Avengers 4 was going to be a thing makes that abundantly clear, because there's no way the MCU was ever going to continue in any fashion whatsoever with that ending being unchanged.

The only REAL question is whether people who died prior to the snap will also come back, a la Loki or Gamora, but let's be honest, we all know they're almost certainly coming back as well.



Not necessarily. Some have contracts ending. Chris Evans and RDJ being notable ones.
Lokarin
01/04/19 1:52:33 AM
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What did Thanos say in the ending when he was just sittin' there? It was really quiet and I couldn't hear it.
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Unbridled9
01/04/19 10:32:30 AM
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DrCidd posted...
People keep saying Thanos' plan was really flawed. But that's the point. That's what makes him a villain. If it was the perfect plan, nobody would be against him and there'd be no movie.


To quote a certain hero 'He's a lot like most villains. Somewhat accurate view of the problem, really insane view of the solution.'

Like, let's think about Thanos's finger-snap. In a poof about half of all world leaders, governments, CEO's, inventors, and everything else just vanished away. This means half of all nations just lost their leaders. Somewhere like North Korea or China may have been just thrown into turmoil because their leadership is now gone. Their successor may be gone as well. Then you have a bunch of lower and lesser positions which, while not as notable, are no less critical to keeping a nation going. Nevermind the fact that half off all trains, planes, ships, buses, cars, are now gone turning these things into missiles and similar things which will kill anyone inside of them or that they hit when crashing. And even after the finger-snap you have just killed off half of all farmers, plumbers, technicians, IT guys, and the like. There's going to be mass starvation simply because everything is breaking down and there's no one to tend to the crop fields. Your cushy city life simply can't happen anymore because more than half the people growing food are dead, more than half the people transporting it to the city are dead. More than half the people involved in knowing where to ship it to are dead. More than half of your electricians are dead so you probably can't keep any perishables. Half or more of your doctors and medical people are dead in the event the food poisons you... It just keeps going.

Humanity will likely survive. However, Thanos basically just unleashed mass chaos upon the entire world that's going to lead to the collapse of civilization and a complete re-organization of literally everything from the ground up. Worse, in a few generations humanity will likely have regrown to its prior numbers or, if it hasn't, won't have done so specifically because there's no one to produce the resources needed to let the population grow (I.E. the very problem he was trying to solve).

This is on EARTH ALONE! Imagine what would happen to more advanced civilizations that were more socially complex and required more people to keep things running.

Course, as the wielder of the gauntlet, in theory Thanos could have done something like instantly clean up the oceans, fix the atmosphere, and so-forth. Probably could have made it so cows fart out pure O2 as opposed to methane or don't fart at all resulting in a massive positive for the Earth. Nevermind, say, just generating endless resources.

Thanos was many things. The smartest... I don't think that we can say that.
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