Board 8 > Fire Emblem Heroes Discussion Topic Part 22: Comfort and JOY!

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Lopen
02/07/19 12:05:10 PM
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I mean

They are SUPPOSED to be in story even if they're overpowered as hell in the game
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Team Rocket Elite
02/07/19 7:41:45 PM
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Assuming I have my numbers right.

Max Dragonflowers with all available units:
Red (Infantry) - 746
Green (Armor) - 374
Yellow (Cavalry) - 392
Blue (Flying) - 756

Add in Valentines 2019 characters including Titania:
Red (Infantry) - 746
Green (Armor) - 454
Yellow (Cavalry) - 512
Blue (Flying) - 756

There are also another 40 Red Dragonflowers up for grabs from Aether Raid Tier 27 and another 44 Green Dragonflowers from Top 1000 Aether Raid.

So you can get one F+5 Flying unit right now. You can't get a F+5 Armor or Cavalry unit at all. You can get a F+5 Infantry unit but can't reach F+10.

Feh's F+5 Valentines Hector in the Feh Channel is completely illegal right now and likely will remain that way for at least another month. Feh had an illegal amount of Green Dragonflowers (816) and Yellow Dragonflowers as well (760).
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MawiIe
02/08/19 3:05:10 AM
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I'm glad you did the work so I wouldn't have to.

Got a Surtr with one free pull, and then got Lucina with the next. I decided to finish off the pull and then got and Arya.

I literally am getting 5 stars faster than I can handle them!
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Lopen
02/08/19 4:01:20 PM
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Got Greil off the free. Will never use him as a non bonus unit probably but don't really want to sac him for Fury 4 either. But hey if I ever get a second one, I guess.
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Dark Young Link
02/08/19 10:31:57 PM
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Nice Lopen!

Event calendar was released recently

TT banner tomorrow(Which will probably have OG Ike, and Mia at the very least), and the second special hero summon of course.

Apparently we're getting new heroes on the 19th New Power banner, GHB, BHB, and Forging Bonds in the future as well. And.... more New Heroes on 3/7. Nice to see we'll be having something going on this month, was getting a bit dull to just have seasonals going on.

(And naturally a legendary hero near the end of the month)
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Yankees
02/08/19 11:06:07 PM
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Here's a reminder for the special hero color distribution tomorrow. Red is the most appealing to me.

Red : Bride Tharja, Summer Tana, Summer Young Tiki, Hoshidan Festival Micaiah, Spooky Monster Myrrh, New Years Gunnthra, New Years Hrid.

Blue : Love Abounds Lyn, Spring Catria, Bride Ninian, Summer Cordelia, Summer Camilla, Hoshidan Festival Ryoma, Halloween Niles, Christmas Ephraim.

Green : Love Abounds Lilina, Love Abounds Hector, Spring Alfonse, Spring Sharena, Bride Sanaki, Summer Innes, Hoshidan Festival Elincia, Halloween Kagero, Winter Fae, New Years Fjorm.

Colorless : Love Abounds Roy, Spring Kagero, Summer Noire, Summer Takumi, Summer Linde, Hoshidan Festival Xander, Halloween Mia, Christmas Eirika, New Years Laevatain.
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SantaRPidgey
02/08/19 11:24:15 PM
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Looking at that list I am 100% sure I wont see any red when I pull.

Blue looks good but the possibility of another camillla gives me the yikes
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Xuxon
02/09/19 12:25:31 AM
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have everyone that i care about except Elincia, Micaiah and Gunnthra. if i don't get any reds i guess i'd reluctantly pull green despite how much crap there is because there isn't really anything i want from blue and not much i want from colorless.
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Xuxon
02/09/19 2:10:22 AM
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got a nice rainbow circle with Gunnthra as my red. -spd though. =/

the real prize was a free Celica from one of the Ike banners. an atk boon to replace my atk bane, that's an extra +7 atk.
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MrSmartGuy
02/09/19 2:15:45 AM
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I had one red, four colorless, which didn't matter, since I just picked the red and also got Gunnthra.
-Atk +Res -__-
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Nameless2000
02/09/19 2:21:08 AM
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Last week's 5-star was Christmas Robin (+HP, -Def) and just now got Summer Y. Tiki (+Def, -HP)
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KamikazePotato
02/09/19 2:23:03 AM
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Wanted red. No red. Thanks game.
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Grimmer
02/09/19 3:00:24 AM
463
No red. Spring Sharena...
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Luis_Sera89
02/09/19 3:25:35 AM
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Unsurprisingly, I also wanted red, and had a choice of two in my circle... getting the unit I've been voting for the past week (!)

+Atk -Spd Tharja, which I can merge my original +Res -Spd copy into (thanks merge update!)
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Lopen
02/09/19 6:12:21 AM
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Wanted colorless got colorless but drew another bad nature Noire from it which was one of two or three I did not want

Maybe I can use the infantry march skill or whatever to some effect

On the plus side I free pulled Elincia but on the minus side I have no attachment to the character and have a 5* Palma already anyway and she has a bad nature too (+HP-Def) so who cares really
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SantaRPidgey
02/09/19 6:42:03 AM
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I wanted summer tiki and i got summer tiki.

The IS gods are thanking me for buying revelations!
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barreldragon88
02/09/19 8:13:08 AM
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In regards to the refinements, while im happy Nino got one, she was way low on the priority list for units that actually needed it. Boey is still crying in his corner, and i would appreciate Rhajat and Sonya refines. Only Nino and Amelia refines interest me, and i happened to get Amelia very recently. Oboro and Seth refines dont interest me enough to use the units, which is unfortunate. Was hoping Seth wouldnt get a supportive refine
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mcflubbin
02/09/19 11:03:57 AM
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Got a NY Fjorm, not bad.
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WhiteLens
02/09/19 4:12:06 PM
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Got Valentine's Hector

ya go my hector
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Dark Young Link
02/11/19 2:40:37 AM
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Dropped 12 orbs on the Greil Valentine banner, managed to pull Soren. Rally Atk/Spd+ is really nice, though I don't like to sac the sole unit I have of someone.
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Xuxon
02/11/19 3:12:19 AM
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was falling behind a bit. did walhart quests, got back to tier 18 AR, tier 20 arena, and grabbed 6 orbs from daily maps. unfortuantely i missed most of the GHB quests that had character rewards that i didn't have space for a year ago (only got Camus way back then cause i knew there was a chance i'd forget about it). it's like the second there's no banner i want to pull on i don't really want to play. <_<
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Lopen
02/11/19 12:14:10 PM
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I often wonder why I'm still playing too

Will probably not be much longer with best mobile game NA Langrisser taking my time (seriously anyone put out with this game should try it it's what this game should have been)

I mostly blame Aether Raids. Not because they're fun but because I don't wanna lose my tier and grail outlet because so many characters I like you get through grails.
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Luis_Sera89
02/11/19 1:04:19 PM
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I've been playing Langrisser these past few days and I agree the gameplay is probably superior to FEH. The more I play it though the more I find I don't have anywhere near the same attachment to the characters as I do with Fire Emblem. I've made a few 10 pulls with the free tickets given so far and it doesn't bother me that I haven't pulled an SSR yet because the SR units I've gotten have been perfectly serviceable in getting me through the game. There's not the same incentive to go for those premium units I've found. Perhaps that's a good thing? I don't know. It's made me realise how much stock I place in a game's charm anyway.
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Lopen
02/11/19 1:41:02 PM
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To some extent I agree as yeah I have little familiarity with the source material so obviously even if Lana is great Lopen waifu material I won't get as much satisfaction from maxing her out as I would with Serra or Matthew. Though her gameplay is very satisfying and unique in a way that FEH doesn't really do (though I came close with my tank Matthew build)

But I also think the characters get some decent characterization through the story/time rifts/their designs. Also the main characters are much better than the Askr trio. So like, I enjoy the characters enough, certainly.

I'm the lucky version of you in that there weren't many SSR characters I wanted but I got them all (well Bozel is given to you) so yeah now I have little incentive to draw. But the game is actually fun without drawing so *shrug.
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SuorGenoveffa
02/11/19 9:01:46 PM
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Personally, I don't like a lot of things with FEH nowadays and most of it is a pile of wasted potential, but I realized I could never move to another similar game, no matter how much better the gameplay might be, because I don't really enjoy the gacha system besides the thrill of it in the 5 or so minutes I'm pulling every once in a while. The only reason I put up with it in FEH is because FE is my favorite series and I enjoy the nostalgia of seeing characters I love in it.

Like, if I don't know/like the characters I really can't be bothered.
KamikazePotato
02/11/19 9:58:55 PM
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Rolling's not even fun anymore. Rolling anything but the exact unit you want feels like trash, and getting the unit you want isn't a joy, it's a relief that you don't have to deal with RNG anymore. I've sunk 300 orbs into the new banner and gotten one 5*. One. The brief runs of good luck you get on banners does not overweigh the periods of trash luck that suck your soul out.

I've cut back a lot on the amount of time I play the game by refusing busy work. Most daily quests, Arena Assault, that big maps - all that is garbage. Tempest Trial is entirely autobattles after the first two bonus runs of the day. I was ignoring Aether Raids by just getting into one match a day and immediately surrendering still gets you the daily reward, but apparently you get Dragonflowers now so I'll actually have to put effort in again. Dragonflowers (and a Tellius banner) are the only reason I'm paying attention to the game right now - chances to buff up my OG squad are actually enticing, because they're the units I have a connection with. Screw powercrept flavor of the month units that I'll never get more than one of. It helps that 3/4 of my OG squad are infantry, which get more Dragonflower buffs.

Unfortunately, this means that the only reason I ever pull new units is for ability fodder (new Ike is the exception to this because he's Ike), and if I miss one unit I'm immediately behind. Still annoyed to all hell that the massive amounts of orbs I sunk into trying to get the seasonal Hrid didn't pan out because now I don't have Hone Attack 4.

tl;dr - Game sucks and has sucked for a while. The gacha formula is not sustainable in the long term. I have no idea why someone would go play a different one after getting burnt out by FEH because they'll run into the same bullshit. Go play a real game.
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Lopen
02/11/19 10:08:49 PM
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KamikazePotato posted...
tl;dr - Game sucks and has sucked for a while. The gacha formula is not sustainable in the long term. I have no idea why someone would go play a different one after getting burnt out by FEH because they'll run into the same bullshit. Go play a real game.


I appreciate your insight guy who has played one gacha game but not all of them fall into the same pitfalls this game has.

Honestly you could make all the units in this game free and it'd still have the exact same problems
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KamikazePotato
02/11/19 10:10:14 PM
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I don't think I've ever seen someone play a gacha for a long time and not grow to hate it (this includes the many real-life friends who are trapped by Fate:GO and whatever that Square-Enix one is) so forgive me if I don't have a high opinion of the genre!
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Lopen
02/11/19 10:11:31 PM
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I mean gacha is dumb but the problems with this game aren't even gacha related for the most part. I'd be bored of it if all units were +10 free of charge
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SuorGenoveffa
02/11/19 11:04:24 PM
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KamikazePotato posted...
Rolling's not even fun anymore. Rolling anything but the exact unit you want feels like trash, and getting the unit you want isn't a joy, it's a relief that you don't have to deal with RNG anymore. I've sunk 300 orbs into the new banner and gotten one 5*. One. The brief runs of good luck you get on banners does not overweigh the periods of trash luck that suck your soul out.

I've cut back a lot on the amount of time I play the game by refusing busy work. Most daily quests, Arena Assault, that big maps - all that is garbage. Tempest Trial is entirely autobattles after the first two bonus runs of the day. I was ignoring Aether Raids by just getting into one match a day and immediately surrendering still gets you the daily reward, but apparently you get Dragonflowers now so I'll actually have to put effort in again. Dragonflowers (and a Tellius banner) are the only reason I'm paying attention to the game right now - chances to buff up my OG squad are actually enticing, because they're the units I have a connection with. Screw powercrept flavor of the month units that I'll never get more than one of. It helps that 3/4 of my OG squad are infantry, which get more Dragonflower buffs.

Unfortunately, this means that the only reason I ever pull new units is for ability fodder (new Ike is the exception to this because he's Ike), and if I miss one unit I'm immediately behind. Still annoyed to all hell that the massive amounts of orbs I sunk into trying to get the seasonal Hrid didn't pan out because now I don't have Hone Attack 4.

tl;dr - Game sucks and has sucked for a while. The gacha formula is not sustainable in the long term. I have no idea why someone would go play a different one after getting burnt out by FEH because they'll run into the same bullshit. Go play a real game.


There are a few units in the lower rarities that I am always happy to see but yeah, besides extremely good fodder getting a 5 star you don't want is always terrible, but this isn't a FEH exclusive issue. In fact, summoning in FEH is likely on the more forgiving side for the genre.

I also barely pay attention to powercreep and stuff because my launch, easy to merge units are faring just fine for the most part. I might not get into tier 21 often but there is little reason to do so anyway.

The main issue with FEH is definitely the game modes. They are either tedious to play manually (Tempest Trials, Grand Conquests, Forging Bonds), dumb and unneccesary (Tap Battle, Gauntlet), a dumpster fire because of unneeded changes (Arena) or... whatever the deepest layer of hell Aether Raids is supposed to be.

On the other hand, the limited content is always pretty decent but it is, as said, limited and doesn't come often/there is no reason to play it again (Chain Challenges, GHBs, BHBs, GHB/BHB quests etc.)

The sad thing is that most of the modes could be made at least tolerable with few changes, I think the core gameplay of FEH can still be fun, but IS just seems to not care about improving the game despite the huge loads of money it has made. It's quite baffling, really.

This isn't even touching on the absolute trash that the story is, I bet there are people who would pay to write a story for the game that doesn't suck, it's inexcusable.

Tl;dr gacha is an overall awful model and unless another FE related one comes out this is the first and last I'm willing to play, but it isn't really the reason FEH is bad right now.
Team Rocket Elite
02/11/19 11:12:53 PM
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Do people normally find pulling for units enjoyable? I usually just found it stressful when I was spending Orbs on a banner. Keep in mind that I normally sat on a multi hundred Orb safety margin when I went for units which meant I pretty much always got what I wanted but it's super stressful anyways. I don't really get how people can go in with like 50 Orbs and a very high chance of just walking away with nothing.
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Xuxon
02/11/19 11:20:16 PM
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they give out enough orbs where even if you spend down to 0 and something you want comes out, there's a decent chance you'll be able to get it before it ends. or if not, they'll always come back again. and i basically do spend down to 0 orbs frequently, or at least below 20 usually. makes it exciting when i get something i want while keeping expectations in check, so i actually do really enjoy the gacha in this. unlike FFRK where i do the save-for-months thing, get shit and feel like shit.

also it helps a lot that you don't really need any new units to play the game, again unlike FFRK. so getting them is a nice bonus, but if not, you still have a million others.
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SuorGenoveffa
02/11/19 11:21:29 PM
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Team Rocket Elite posted...
Do people normally find pulling for units enjoyable? I usually just found it stressful when I was spending Orbs on a banner. Keep in mind that I normally sat on a multi hundred Orb safety margin when I went for units which meant I pretty much always got what I wanted but it's super stressful anyways. I don't really get how people can go in with like 50 Orbs and a very high chance of just walking away with nothing.


Yeah I'm like that too, it's exciting at times going in with a big amount but I wouldn't say I particularly enjoy it. Besides, I never commit to a banner with less than 150 orbs, and even then it only happens if a banner I care about takes me by surprise/happens close to a huge pulling session that left me dry.

I generally have around 400 orbs at least, not caring about seasonals also really helps.
Lopen
02/11/19 11:44:11 PM
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Yeah gacha is not the problem with this game at all. I mean it doesn't exactly help the experience but it's the lack of content that's the killer.

I figure most people play gacha games in spite of gacha not because they enjoy the thrill of pulling. You play these games because it's cool having a game that has constant content updates and challenges for the team you build

I do actually agree that I like a lot of the one map challenge type stuff in this game but there's not nearly enough of it. Just a bunch of grinds aside from that
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WhiteLens
02/12/19 12:40:17 AM
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KamikazePotato posted...
The gacha formula is not sustainable in the long term.

You say that but there are gacha games that have been running for 5+ years. Some of them original IPs even.

KamikazePotato posted...
I have no idea why someone would go play a different one after getting burnt out by FEH because they'll run into the same bullshit.

Well I've spent a good part of the past 5 years tapping on circles featuring 2D girls, so I can't say anything there.
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Dark Young Link
02/12/19 1:11:25 AM
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Team Rocket Elite posted...
Do people normally find pulling for units enjoyable?


I enjoy the process of pulling. Much like some people enjoy pulling on the long armed bandit.

Hoarding orbs only to not get what you want on the other hand? Pure suffering. Like on the hot springs banner I pulled 6 5*s with a relatively modest amount of orbs..... but not one of them was the unit I wanted so it doesn't really feel good. The process can be fun, but the payoff can make or break a lot of the enjoyment for me. Pitybreaks are the quickest way to ruin my fun, at this point in the game I'm looking for either favorites or fodder to buff up my favorites. A Ryoma does absolutely nothing for me in 2019.
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MrSmartGuy
02/12/19 1:16:00 AM
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Yeah, I came in with a ton of Orbs for the laguz banner and walked away with only 8 off-banner 5* units. I'm basically just in the game to try and get one of every new group of units, then wait 'til the next one. I care more about quantity than quality.
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Dark Young Link
02/12/19 2:09:19 AM
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A BHB that teaches you the dangers of Air Orders....

(Also great dialog. Very in character.)
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MrSmartGuy
02/12/19 3:17:29 AM
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Uh.......... well scratch what I just said, just pulled Tibarn from out of nowhere.

Fuck off he's -Atk WHY FEH WHYYYYYYYY
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Team Rocket Elite
02/12/19 6:51:50 PM
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Nintendo Direct ft. Three Houses tomorrow. Make sure you are prepared to snipe for a Special Edition if they announce one and you are interested. Although, I sometimes wonder how happy the people who bought Fates SE were.
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Luis_Sera89
02/12/19 6:54:41 PM
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I'm still annoyed to this day that preorders went up just as I left work so I missed it.
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WickIebee
02/12/19 7:08:40 PM
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MrSmartGuy posted...
Yeah, I came in with a ton of Orbs for the laguz banner and walked away with only 8 off-banner 5* units. I'm basically just in the game to try and get one of every new group of units, then wait 'til the next one. I care more about quantity than quality.


Yup, I pretty much try that. Sometimes two units if I can. Usually dump a little more into Legendary/Mythic banners to get a unit from a couple different colors. Didn't work that well last Mythic banner, came out with two Legendary Lyns, lol. I usually give up after one 5* summon on non-legendary/mythic banners though (and then there's some banners that I'll only do the free summon on), which has left me with off-banners on the previous two seasonals. Sad.
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Team Rocket Elite
02/13/19 9:01:54 PM
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I can't believe that there is literally a character named Linhardt in the Fire Emblem series now. >_>
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Dark Young Link
02/13/19 9:10:06 PM
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I know that's an actual name, but that can't be a coincidence.

(Also if anyone wants to name the next title go ahead because I can't think of anything right now and the anniversary was pretty 'eh?' overall)
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Lopen
02/13/19 9:11:48 PM
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Can't wait for Three Houses character spam
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KommunistKoala
02/13/19 9:34:12 PM
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WHERE IS EDELGARD caps
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SantaRPidgey
02/13/19 11:24:32 PM
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Team Rocket Elite posted...
I can't believe that there is literally a character named Linhardt in the Fire Emblem series now. >_>


she's a green haired magic user, it literally looks like a combination of the characters
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WhiteLens
02/14/19 2:27:13 AM
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Might as well just save for the Three Houses characters because you know they're gonna be the meta.
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Team Rocket Elite
02/14/19 10:06:27 PM
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https://twitter.com/FE_Heroes_JP/status/1096242754307280896

Halloween Myrrh, Legendary Azura, Duma, Legendary Lyn
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Dark Young Link
02/14/19 10:14:51 PM
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