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ScareChan
12/21/18 8:35:34 PM
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NBIceman
12/21/18 8:39:23 PM
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I just can't wrap my head around the wait-and-see attitude that fans still have for WWE booking. What have they done in the modern era to deserve that benefit of the doubt? Hell, what have they done ever?

There are exactly two real stars in the company right now: Ronda and Becky. Ronda, from what I understand, has been booked strong since the beginning. Becky caught lightning in a bottle because fans revolted Daniel Bryan-style in reaction to horrendous booking.

Even if you want to cling to the ludicrous idea that this arc of Becky's was intended from the beginning, there's a loooooot more Rusevs in the company than there are Beckys.
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RaidenGarai
12/21/18 8:48:35 PM
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That, and Becky is just so damn good!
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ScareChan
12/21/18 8:54:41 PM
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you know whats funny

is that I think Seth has been more of a 'company guy' than roman anyways
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Hardcore_Adult
12/21/18 8:58:26 PM
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^ Well he did *Buy in* instead of selling out when he gave his Shield Bros the boot.
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RaidenGarai
12/21/18 9:05:01 PM
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So if WWE runs with Seth as "the guy" while Roman's out, I'm assuming they revert back to Roman when he returns? I could see them maybe putting them on different shows and splitting up their top two.
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TheRock1525
12/21/18 9:05:10 PM
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NBIceman posted...
I just can't wrap my head around the wait-and-see attitude that fans still have for WWE booking.


Cause I don't absolutely hate everything the WWE does. I think they do stuff right sometimes. If you want an arbitrary percentage, its like 40-60.
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The_Red_Scare
12/21/18 9:24:46 PM
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RaidenGarai posted...
So if WWE runs with Seth as "the guy" while Roman's out, I'm assuming they revert back to Roman when he returns? I could see them maybe putting them on different shows and splitting up their top two.


They definitely revert to Roman if he returns. There's no way Vince wouldn't want to capitalize on people's sympathy.
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Eddv
12/21/18 10:15:46 PM
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RaidenGarai posted...
So if WWE runs with Seth as "the guy" while Roman's out, I'm assuming they revert back to Roman when he returns? I could see them maybe putting them on different shows and splitting up their top two.


If they wanted Seth to be The Guy he would be champ right now, not Brock.
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Jakyl25
12/21/18 10:22:00 PM
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I was thinking about 2018 NXT callups

The one who made the biggest impact on the company was BUDDY MURPHY

ON A SHOW NO ONE WATCHES
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TheRock1525
12/21/18 11:36:25 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
I was thinking about 2018 NXT callups

The one who made the biggest impact on the company was BUDDY MURPHY

ON A SHOW NO ONE WATCHES


You sure you don't mean DREW MAC?
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Jakyl25
12/22/18 11:36:26 AM
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https://twitter.com/trevordame/status/1076343594863058946?s=21

I just listened to Petey say that maybe Impact will get edgier now because Pursuit is a channel where living things are murdered.


Trevor as usual has all the stupid quotes from TNA people trying to spin the move to Pursuit and to Fridays at 10PM as a positive
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ScareChan
12/22/18 1:26:33 PM
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Man I feel bad for that little kid in the gang

Next time they just shoot him
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ScareChan
12/22/18 1:27:14 PM
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Alternatively more people will turn in to see it because impact itself is dieing and in line with what the core audience of the channel is there for
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The_Red_Scare
12/22/18 1:39:33 PM
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ScareChan posted...
impact itself is dieing


It's been doing that for the last six years and yet we're still talking about it

That damn show just will not go down peacefully
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TheRock1525
12/22/18 2:16:33 PM
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Dec. 24, 11PM Eastern - Fashion Files: Cold Case Unit

Its do-or-pie for detectives Tyler Breeze and Fandango, as The Fashion Police close in on Kevin Owens mysterious Pie Face Perpetrator!


Well I need to watch this.
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scarletspeed7
12/22/18 4:11:32 PM
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Wait, they're FINALLY following up on this? I'm so excited.
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scarletspeed7
12/22/18 4:38:27 PM
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Hey folks, it's that time of the year again, so let's keep the tradition stemming back to 2012 alive! Whether you have watched 20 hours a week or just one show a month, I hope you all will vote in the end of the year All-Purpose Wrestling Awards! Eddv passed on returning as host again this year, so I'm going to temporarily resume hosting duties once more:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/77326023
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XIII_rocks
12/22/18 6:13:56 PM
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NBIceman posted...
I just can't wrap my head around the wait-and-see attitude that fans still have for WWE booking. What have they done in the modern era to deserve that benefit of the doubt? Hell, what have they done ever?


I think smarks are the people who created this mentality because of the determination to jump to the worst, most negative possible conclusion.

Because WWE do dumb shit all the time, but it doesn't generally end up being quite as bad as people say it's going to be.

So you have something happen, people say "this will be shit. Thing x will happen now and it's just going to get worse and worse and worse". And then inevitably slightly cooler heads say "well hold on maybe it won't". It's a more relaxed response to over the top, vitriolic, silly, senseless bile hurled WWE's way that often makes zero sense.

And Rock is definitely 100% not innocent in that, that kind of hyperbolic negative reaction - I don't think anyone is. But when people are so perpetually down on WWE that they instantly assume the absolute worst all the time it's pretty natural to say "wait and see". Because often the "wait and see" crowd have a point insofar as it's not quite as shit as you might have said.
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NBIceman
12/22/18 6:21:33 PM
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It's not the smarks' fault that WWE sucks.
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XIII_rocks
12/22/18 6:25:56 PM
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It's their fault for overreacting to relatively innocuous things and making mountains out of molehills. That's the whole point. WWE booking can be bad and dumb but smarks exaggerate just how bad it is and just how often it's that bad.
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NBIceman
12/22/18 6:29:04 PM
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I really don't think they do.

This perception that "smarks" go out of their way to hate on WWE is so ridiculous. They don't have to go out of their way - WWE really is that bad. They insult their audience's intelligence almost every minute and hate being even associated with the word "wrestling."

There are way more examples of people being 100% right on their predictions of their booking being terrible than there are of scenarios where it turned out to be pretty innocuous.
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TheRock1525
12/22/18 6:36:05 PM
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XIII_rocks posted...
It's their fault for overreacting to relatively innocuous things and making mountains out of molehills. That's the whole point. WWE booking can be bad and dumb but smarks exaggerate just how bad it is and just how often it's that bad.


They also do stupid shit like countdown during an iron man match.
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The_Red_Scare
12/22/18 6:43:13 PM
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In the past two years I can think of exactly one thing in WWE that I thought was going to suck that didn't suck just like I expected, which is Becky's heel turn and it absolutely looks like that worked out mainly because WWE ditched their usual MO when they realized that even by their standards they looked stupid as hell for writing a story about someone being bitter at the crowd not liking her when she was the most popular person on the show. It's beyond tiring to constantly hear the griping about how us mean old smarks are just out to hate everything when all that's happened is this company has failed to deliver on anything besides decent matches so many god damn times that we've started to see the pattern. I'm glad some of you don't find them as consistently disappointing, but the fact that some of us do doesn't mean we're doing something wrong.
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scarletspeed7
12/22/18 6:43:27 PM
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The only question is "Who failed who first?"
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Hardcore_Adult
12/22/18 6:45:28 PM
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I'm glad 205L has a small dedicated fanbase that appreciate good quality wrestling. 205 is its own thing.
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StealThisSheen
12/22/18 6:54:23 PM
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XIII_rocks posted...
It's their fault for overreacting to relatively innocuous things and making mountains out of molehills. That's the whole point. WWE booking can be bad and dumb but smarks exaggerate just how bad it is and just how often it's that bad.


I used to think this and was one of their biggest defenders in this topic... But as time passed, I can't agree with this.

Right now, WWE really is that bad.
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Eddv
12/22/18 6:54:30 PM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
The only question is "Who failed who first?"


I mean they in some senses got bailed out by John Cenas sheer level of talent and charisma who forced the frankly impossible goals of Vinces corporate cult speak lingo to not completely crash and burn.

I mean some fans still absolutely resented Cena during that run and latched on to every anti establishment figure who might overturn the status quo there was but in the end John Cena wasnt the problem - Vince was.

And without Cena around - like the weight if everything they do wrong is just suffocating them.
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Eddv
12/22/18 6:59:29 PM
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Like my point is even when they went full Reality Era CM fucking punk was still calling it Sports Entertainment and calling them the WWE Universe.

Its never gonna work or get over.
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NBIceman
12/22/18 7:07:00 PM
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Eddv posted...
Like my point is even when they went full Reality Era CM fucking punk was still calling it Sports Entertainment and calling them the WWE Universe.

Its never gonna work or get over.

Well, the goal of that corporate nonspeak isn't to get over. It's a symptom of Vince's embarrassment to be known as a wrestling company.
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WarThaNemesis2
12/22/18 7:09:22 PM
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Here is the problem in a nutshell:

CM Punk: WWE treated me very badly.

CM Punk fans: *gives money to WWE to chant CM Punk's name*
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TheRock1525
12/22/18 7:11:18 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
XIII_rocks posted...
It's their fault for overreacting to relatively innocuous things and making mountains out of molehills. That's the whole point. WWE booking can be bad and dumb but smarks exaggerate just how bad it is and just how often it's that bad.


I used to think this and was one of their biggest defenders in this topic... But as time passed, I can't agree with this.

Right now, WWE really is that bad.


I can only agree with that if we're looking exclusively at RAW. Smackdown is still good and NXT/205 Live/UK/MYC are all great.
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Hardcore_Adult
12/22/18 7:19:53 PM
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For some reason I can't seem to find time for NXT UK. I'd have to drop something accommodate it.
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Eddv
12/22/18 7:24:35 PM
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NBIceman posted...
Eddv posted...
Like my point is even when they went full Reality Era CM fucking punk was still calling it Sports Entertainment and calling them the WWE Universe.

Its never gonna work or get over.

Well, the goal of that corporate nonspeak isn't to get over. It's a symptom of Vince's embarrassment to be known as a wrestling company.


Yeah but the corporate nonspeak is a weight on the show.

Like can you imagine Austin getting over as a bad was while having to shill for fucking Subway like Ryback had to?

Or even The Rock if he had been forced to say The Millions AND MILLIONS of WWE UNIVERSE MEMBERS WHO LIKE THE ROCK.

Or if they had to dedicate TV time trying to grt over shit that only their shareholders could possibly care about.

Like getting over the current talent and current angles are like their 5th and 6th priorities overall and then we all sit here and bitch about them having no good angle and no good stars.

Of course they don't! They arent even really trying to have either!
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Lopen
12/22/18 7:24:47 PM
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I only feel you should say wait and see if it's doing well now and people are being negative about the future or you have the foundation laid out that indicates storylines might develop in a cool way and people are negative about the now cause the now sucks.

Like if you're saying wait and see about something that is currently bad and has no direction to speak of like Almas it's like "why are you giving them the benefit of a doubt here?" Being positive is fine but if you're giving them the benefit of a doubt when they've provided literally nothing in terms of the now to think they should get one like with Almas it feels more like you've been brainwashed by WWE than you're being positive.
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NBIceman
12/22/18 7:31:34 PM
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Eddv posted...
NBIceman posted...
Eddv posted...
Like my point is even when they went full Reality Era CM fucking punk was still calling it Sports Entertainment and calling them the WWE Universe.

Its never gonna work or get over.

Well, the goal of that corporate nonspeak isn't to get over. It's a symptom of Vince's embarrassment to be known as a wrestling company.


Yeah but the corporate nonspeak is a weight on the show.

Like can you imagine Austin getting over as a bad was while having to shill for fucking Subway like Ryback had to?

Or even The Rock if he had been forced to say The Millions AND MILLIONS of WWE UNIVERSE MEMBERS WHO LIKE THE ROCK.

Or if they had to dedicate TV time trying to grt over shit that only their shareholders could possibly care about.

Like getting over the current talent and current angles are like their 5th and 6th priorities overall and then we all sit here and bitch about them having no good angle and no good stars.

Of course they don't! They arent even really trying to have either!

I agree with you, dude. The dumb shill stuff was a large part of why I quit watching.

It just sounded like you were saying the goal of that was to get people over. If that's not what you meant, my bad.
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Eddv
12/22/18 7:33:39 PM
#37:


Well the main goal is to get WWE over. Like as a whole. And as something different from (and presumably superior to) wrestling.

Its just not ever gonna work.
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NBIceman
12/22/18 7:38:04 PM
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Right, yeah. I agree with that. We were just saying it in different ways.
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StealThisSheen
12/22/18 9:07:08 PM
#39:


TheRock1525 posted...
StealThisSheen posted...
XIII_rocks posted...
It's their fault for overreacting to relatively innocuous things and making mountains out of molehills. That's the whole point. WWE booking can be bad and dumb but smarks exaggerate just how bad it is and just how often it's that bad.


I used to think this and was one of their biggest defenders in this topic... But as time passed, I can't agree with this.

Right now, WWE really is that bad.


I can only agree with that if we're looking exclusively at RAW. Smackdown is still good and NXT/205 Live/UK/MYC are all great.


I'll give you NXT/205/etc., and those are conveniently the mostly Vince-free products (pattern much?) The issue there is NXT does get kinda dry between Takeovers, though not bad, certainly... And 205 is treated as such an after thought that no matter how many great shows they put on, it's never going to get anybody over because WWE doesn't do anything to allow it.

Smackdown I'll... Half agree. There are things it does really well, and things it does not quite as well. The issue is that Smackdown is definitely treated like the B show, and the stank from RAW creeps into PPVs/kinda hangs over them like an ever present cloud of suck, which kills the mood in general.
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StealThisSheen
12/22/18 9:09:09 PM
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That said, stuff like this Ali push does give me some hope
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Eddv
12/22/18 9:48:46 PM
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This is neither here nor there but I get a real laugh out of the fact that Sarah Logan and Liv Morgan are supposed to be menacing.
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ScareChan
12/22/18 9:55:17 PM
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they are

precious cinnamon rolls that must be protected at all costs

(that was a term I heard recently)
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TheRock1525
12/22/18 10:31:59 PM
#43:


Sarah Logan just had a Viking themed wedding with Rowe of War Raiders.

It looked fun as shit.
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davidponte
12/22/18 10:42:35 PM
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I haven't watched any WWE content at all since Summerslam, and on one hand I feel like I'm missing out, especially with how great I've heard Becky is right now and having Seth + Dean every week without having to deal with Roman, but on the other hand I've heard it sucks more than ever and don't want to subject myself to garbage.
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davidponte
12/22/18 10:46:03 PM
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Near the end of my watching I also realized that I'm not all that interested in the wrestling despite it theoretically being better than ever and care more about the storylines and the fake drama which is both perfect as a WWE fan because they spend too much time on them and also terrible as a WWE fan because they are bad.

Like a new feud would start, and I'd say "oh, this is potentially exciting, I can't wait to see where they go with this, I like both of these people", then by the time the PPV match comes around, I've either lost interest or have seen the match a dozen times in the build-up and no longer care about the actual wrestling.
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Eddv
12/22/18 11:17:09 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
Sarah Logan just had a Viking themed wedding with Rowe of War Raiders.

It looked fun as shit.


yeah I hadnt realized Logans gear had a vaguely Viking theme to them until then.
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Jakyl25
12/22/18 11:19:57 PM
#47:


Eddv posted...
NBIceman posted...
Eddv posted...
Like my point is even when they went full Reality Era CM fucking punk was still calling it Sports Entertainment and calling them the WWE Universe.

Its never gonna work or get over.

Well, the goal of that corporate nonspeak isn't to get over. It's a symptom of Vince's embarrassment to be known as a wrestling company.


Yeah but the corporate nonspeak is a weight on the show.

Like can you imagine Austin getting over as a bad was while having to shill for fucking Subway like Ryback had to?

Or even The Rock if he had been forced to say The Millions AND MILLIONS of WWE UNIVERSE MEMBERS WHO LIKE THE ROCK.

Or if they had to dedicate TV time trying to grt over shit that only their shareholders could possibly care about.

Like getting over the current talent and current angles are like their 5th and 6th priorities overall and then we all sit here and bitch about them having no good angle and no good stars.

Of course they don't! They arent even really trying to have either!


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12/22/18 11:34:47 PM
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NBIceman
12/22/18 11:42:47 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1076581415842705408?s=21

Spot of the year. Take that, Ospreay!

Holy shit this is one of the funniest wrestling related things I've seen in years.
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XIII_rocks
12/23/18 1:21:29 AM
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NBIceman posted...
This perception that "smarks" go out of their way to hate on WWE is so ridiculous. They don't have to go out of their way - WWE really is that bad. They insult their audience's intelligence almost every minute and hate being even associated with the word "wrestling."


Smarks absolutely, absolutely do this. There can't be any debate about that. It's not a phenomenon exclusive to WWE either. Basically: everyone wants their own hate to stand out. When you go to a message board to vent you'll often find that somebody has already made your specific complaint. Or many people have. So what do you do then? Become another voice, lost in the crowd? Or do you force a new complaint? One that is contrived and desperate but that gets swallowed by the crowd because they really want any excuse to criticise the WWE at that time?

And since WWE does do so much dumb shit and they do create so much content to be criticised, there's a lot of chances for that to happen.

I'm surprised really that this is even an argument people would want to make - the notion that hardcore smarks are a problem is not something ridiculous and certainly not some new idea. That's not to absolve WWE of blame because they are a tremendously shitty company. They just also have a fair share of toxic, negative fans.

Edit: you're right that people don't have to go out of their way to hate on WWE but they do anyway. WWE gives people loads of free criticisms but when you see 50 different people making that same criticism, you want to create your own. Hence, they will "go out of their way" to come up with a new one. This happens with virtually anything on the internet.

Example of "wait and see" working: women's revolution. The initial 3-on-3-on-3 thing with the Bellas was dreadful and went on for months. People claimed the revolution had failed and that it had been a disaster. However, it was ultimately only a temporary thing and it led to the women having probably the MotN at Wrestlemania.
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