Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 210: HQ of the War on Christmas

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LapisLazuli
12/21/18 3:04:05 PM
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Jakyl25
12/21/18 3:05:32 PM
#152:


I feel as though Corrik makes a lot of valid points to be honest.

I disagree with Trumps method of doing this, and HIGHLY question his motives, but his basic idea is agreeable
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GuessMyUserName
12/21/18 3:10:29 PM
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corrik strips context out of anything and everything, there's no validity in any of that junk
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Peace___Frog
12/21/18 3:10:37 PM
#154:


Jakyl25 posted...
I feel as though Corrik makes a lot of valid points to be honest.

I disagree with Trumps method of doing this, and HIGHLY question his motives, but his basic idea is agreeable

The method is 97% of the issue, jakyl.
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LordoftheMorons
12/21/18 3:10:41 PM
#155:


Corrik posted...
Many Trump supporters, including myself, were against war with Russia over Syria and dinged Hillary over her no fly zone which would have led to it.

This is not true. In fact, the main entity advancing this claim was (surprise surprise) Russia themselves.

You can certainly disagree that it was a good idea, but Russia sure as fuck wasn't going to actually go to war with the US over Syria.
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Jakyl25
12/21/18 3:12:26 PM
#156:


I just think the underlying point that we have to side with Turkey over the Kurds is sound
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red sox 777
12/21/18 3:26:33 PM
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If we aren't prepared to actually use enough force there to win the war, we should get out. Otherwise we are just prolonging a losing war. It's burying our head in the sand and refusing to face reality.
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Not_an_Owl
12/21/18 3:30:54 PM
#158:


Jakyl25 posted...
I just think the underlying point that we have to side with Turkey over the Kurds is sound

If it's a choice between Erdogan and the Kurds, I am siding with the Kurds every time.

(And before Corrik comes rushing in with "DURR YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T WANT TO STAB ALLIES IN THE BACK", Erdogan is one of the despicable people in the region I think we should not be supporting. At this particular juncture, between Russia, ISIS, and Syria, Turkey needs us a lot more than we need Turkey.)
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Peace___Frog
12/21/18 3:31:34 PM
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It was a messy conflict, boiling it down to just that aspect is removing necessary context.

We also surrender all leverage when approaching it with that simple mindset.
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Jakyl25
12/21/18 3:32:13 PM
#160:


Not_an_Owl posted...

If it's a choice between Erdogan and the Kurds, I am siding with the Kurds every time.


Morally, sure. But supporting NATO allies is the strongest way to keep Russia in check.
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Peace___Frog
12/21/18 3:32:55 PM
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Not_an_Owl posted...
Turkey needs us a lot more than we need Turkey.

Also this

See: surrendering all leverage

Unless we take into account that Trump owns real estate in Turkey, which is honestly probably where their leverage out-sizes ours!
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Jakyl25
12/21/18 3:37:21 PM
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Also theres the truth that we have no explicit goal of regime change in Syria. Maybe we should! But we dont, so what is our purpose there beyond ISIS?

You say Well we cant let Russia and China get bigger footholds in the region. Okay then! Thats a goal we can work on, but not without regime change.

Sitting over there flushing ISIS turds and daring al-Assad to just give us a reason to jump on him isnt conducive to anything

And yes, it SHOULD NOT happen the way Trump is doing it. No argument there.
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Jakyl25
12/21/18 3:41:56 PM
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Peace___Frog
12/21/18 3:56:07 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
And yes, it SHOULD NOT happen the way Trump is doing it. No argument there.

This is why context matters, and corrik's argument that ignores that context completely is imbecilic.
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Eddv
12/21/18 5:23:44 PM
#165:


Jakyl25 posted...
Not_an_Owl posted...

If it's a choice between Erdogan and the Kurds, I am siding with the Kurds every time.


Morally, sure. But supporting NATO allies is the strongest way to keep Russia in check.


Youre thinking in terms of unnecessary absolutism. There is room for shades of subtlety. The Turks want us to back off of helping the Kurds in Syria? Then they need to commit troops necessary. Its not as though they want Russia and Iran entrenched on their doorstep either. They don't want to? Then they have to deal with US support of the Kurds.

Trump lacks any such subtlety. Or any consistency. The day after announcing withdrawal from Syria he signed the Farm Bill which further entrenched the US in the Yemen conflict.
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Eddv
12/21/18 5:26:29 PM
#166:


Jakyl25 posted...
You say Well we cant let Russia and China get bigger footholds in the region. Okay then! Thats a goal we can work on, but not without regime change.


Which was very nearly achieved under Obama. Russia then made an investment in the Assad regime that we werent willing to countermand.

So in some ways playing red rover with Assad on behalf of the Kurds sort of IS the right play.
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LordoftheMorons
12/21/18 6:48:25 PM
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Jakyl25
12/21/18 6:55:34 PM
#168:


https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1076138140795064320?s=21

Ive done more damage to ISIS than all recent presidents....not even close!


I love this tweet
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Jakyl25
12/21/18 6:55:59 PM
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StealThisSheen
12/21/18 6:56:25 PM
#170:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Steel slats!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1076239448461987841
https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/1076241726682075137


I can't see that and not expect a t-rex to pop out and attack that car
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MoogleKupo141
12/21/18 6:56:34 PM
#171:


he's got the highest DPS of any president
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Jakyl25
12/21/18 6:58:31 PM
#172:


Like that fence is a joke STRAIGHT OUT of Arrested Development
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StealThisSheen
12/21/18 7:06:41 PM
#173:


https://imgur.com/Y4Odq6I
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Seginustemple
12/21/18 7:08:44 PM
#174:


alright here's every U.S. president by weight class use this information responsibly - https://imgur.com/a/GDu608C
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Corrik
12/21/18 7:12:41 PM
#175:


Not_an_Owl posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
I just think the underlying point that we have to side with Turkey over the Kurds is sound

If it's a choice between Erdogan and the Kurds, I am siding with the Kurds every time.

(And before Corrik comes rushing in with "DURR YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T WANT TO STAB ALLIES IN THE BACK", Erdogan is one of the despicable people in the region I think we should not be supporting. At this particular juncture, between Russia, ISIS, and Syria, Turkey needs us a lot more than we need Turkey.)

So, you believe we should move to expel Turkey from NATO then correct?
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Jakyl25
12/21/18 7:18:03 PM
#176:


I do think there needs to be diplomatic pressure from the rest of NATO on Erdogan to reform, with the threat of expulsion if need be.
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LordoftheMorons
12/21/18 8:06:21 PM
#177:


Guess were having a shutdown purely because Donald Trump cant handle criticism from Ann Coulter et al
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red sox 777
12/21/18 8:26:50 PM
#178:


This is Trump's style. Keep people on edge by announcing surprises at the last minute.
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Forceful_Dragon
12/21/18 8:42:50 PM
#179:


Kinda sucks coming to work today and not knowing if I'm staying until after 9 pm PST or if I'm getting paid for my time for awhile.

Shutdowns es dum
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Peace___Frog
12/21/18 10:45:09 PM
#180:


Every news station should be playing the clip of him saying he'd own the shut down.

But we all know fox news will have hours of content about how this is the fault of the party who controls no major branch of government
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Suprak the Stud
12/21/18 11:01:14 PM
#181:


Funnily enough...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-calls-out-trump-for-flipping-a-180-on-shutdown-blame
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LordoftheMorons
12/22/18 12:09:26 AM
#182:


Jesus fucking Christ:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-22/trump-said-to-discuss-firing-fed-s-powell-after-latest-rate-hike

Firing Powell would basically be saying that interest rates are going to be determined based on political considerations and not on what's best for the health of the economy. Looking forward to another huge drop in the stock market!
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red sox 777
12/22/18 12:13:25 AM
#183:


I wonder if Trump is shorting the market. Maybe in the 2020 campaign, Trump will reveal that he is now the richest person in the world because he has been trading on advance knowledge of his decisions through his whole presidency. Because you see, no other president has been smart enough to make so much money off of his presidency. So we should vote for him again.
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TheRock1525
12/22/18 12:14:16 AM
#184:


What's it like to do nothing but shitpost?
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Forceful_Dragon
12/22/18 12:21:40 AM
#185:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Jesus fucking Christ:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-22/trump-said-to-discuss-firing-fed-s-powell-after-latest-rate-hike

Firing Powell would basically be saying that interest rates are going to be determined based on political considerations and not on what's best for the health of the economy. Looking forward to another huge drop in the stock market!


Bullshit. I just moved my TSP into stocks because I felt like we were near the bottom. I don't need this right now
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TheRock1525
12/22/18 12:47:57 AM
#186:


https://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-wins-december-in-primetime-with-most-viewers-overall-and-demo/

This is why Trump goes after CNN and not MSNBC.
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Umitencho
12/22/18 9:48:13 AM
#187:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Jesus fucking Christ:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-22/trump-said-to-discuss-firing-fed-s-powell-after-latest-rate-hike

Firing Powell would basically be saying that interest rates are going to be determined based on political considerations and not on what's best for the health of the economy. Looking forward to another huge drop in the stock market!


Trump needs to take a intermediate macro-econ course & look into why Japan has been in a recession for decades. You can not keep interest rates low forever.
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DeepsPraw
12/22/18 12:12:36 PM
#188:


LOL @ anyone who thinks the US actually cares about the Kurds. It's just a convenient excuse to militarily occupy the region.

Fuck imperialism and fuck the liberals that are championing it now because they don't like Trump or whatever
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Inviso
12/22/18 12:22:54 PM
#189:


DeepsPraw posted...
LOL @ anyone who thinks the US actually cares about the Kurds. It's just a convenient excuse to militarily occupy the region.

Fuck imperialism and fuck the liberals that are championing it now because they don't like Trump or whatever


For the record, I actually DID care about the Kurds before this. Based on what I've read about the region, the Kurds are to the Middle East what many black and Hispanic people are to the U.S. It's disgusting to see ANY minority group get shit on out of pure racism from the majority.
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Jakyl25
12/22/18 12:37:08 PM
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GuessMyUserName
12/22/18 12:44:25 PM
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Umitencho
12/22/18 12:44:51 PM
#192:


Ranked choice voting would take care of spoiler candidates.
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Jakyl25
12/22/18 12:46:12 PM
#193:


The latest of many reasons I no longer support Franken/Stein 2020
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Mr Lasastryke
12/22/18 4:51:34 PM
#194:


Suprak the Stud posted...
Funnily enough...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-news-calls-out-trump-for-flipping-a-180-on-shutdown-blame


trump doing a 180? wow, that's a thing that's certainly never happened before
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Umitencho
12/22/18 6:25:30 PM
#195:


This has not been a great month for him.
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Ulti_PCA
12/22/18 7:12:58 PM
#196:


LordoftheMorons posted...
The Kurds are our allies (and Erdogan, though yes, an unfortunately necessary ally, is a piece of shit). They are not terrorists.

If Germany was going to roll tanks into France we wouldn't be like "oh yeah cool guys, you do whatever!"

This literally happened once.
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Ulti_PCA
12/22/18 7:19:28 PM
#197:


Umitencho posted...
This has not been a great month for him.

This week alone Trump has legalized hemp, enacted prison reform so black people stop getting put in jail for completely useless things that white people never get jail time for (a policy written by Hillary Clinton during her husband's term shortly after her "black men are super predators that need to be brought to heel" speech, just FYI), and is ending the wars in Syria and Afghanistan that have lasted almost 20 years. I seem to recall most people being against those wars in the 2000s. He's also let the government shut down to make democrats look even worse than usual, because democrats would rather have open borders and troops in in the Middle East forever than actually have a strong country at home. I love when the government shuts down, because Washington produces nothing whatsoever and we lose nothing when those idiots aren't working.

Literally only a democrat would be enraged by any of this stuff. Whatever happened to the anti-war folks from the 2000s who never wanted us in the Middle East in the first place? Or is that out the window because you people are completely brainwashed by mainstream media into "Orange Man Bad" nonsense? Trump could cure cancer and you people would still complain. Not that we didn't already have proof of this but this week has provided some hilarious examples.
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Ulti_PCA
12/22/18 7:21:16 PM
#198:


LordoftheMorons posted...
Jesus fucking Christ:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-12-22/trump-said-to-discuss-firing-fed-s-powell-after-latest-rate-hike

Firing Powell would basically be saying that interest rates are going to be determined based on political considerations and not on what's best for the health of the economy. Looking forward to another huge drop in the stock market!

The fed is raising interest rates continuously to slow the Trump recovery, which is hilarious because it's not even working. For reference, interest rates were never raised under Obama. I believe we're up to 8 hike3s now under Trump.

ONLY a democrat would ever defend this, because you people are on record as saying we need a recession and/or depression to punish people for electing the wrong person.
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TheRock1525
12/22/18 7:46:03 PM
#199:


I don't appreciate having to add new Ulti alts to the ignore list.
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LordoftheMorons
12/22/18 8:01:10 PM
#200:


Hmmmmm if only there was some large financial event that happened slightly before the beginning of Obamas presidency that might explain why youd want to have low interest rates
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