Poll of the Day > Unpopular opinion: the world would be a more professional and better place if...

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colleges didn't give you a degree unless you graduate with a 4.0. How can people be expected to be good at their job if they weren't even good at learning how to do their job? This new method would mean anyone with a degree would be legitimately knowledgeable about their profession. Too hard for you? then college isn't for you. Lazy but smart people would be FORCED to study more or fail miserably.

I know this is controversial but I really think it would generally improve the world.
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Greenfox111 posted...

colleges didn't give you a degree unless you graduate with a 4.0. How can people be expected to be good at their job if they weren't even good at learning how to do their job? This new method would mean anyone with a degree would be legitimately knowledgeable about their profession. Too hard for you? then college isn't for you. Lazy but smart people would be FORCED to study more or fail miserably.

I know this is controversial but I really think it would generally improve the world.

Yeah no. All requiring a 4.0 gpa to graduate would do is make students even more stressed out and delay their graduation, costing them even more money and time.

If they graduate and dont know what theyre doing then thats their problem.

Greenfox111 posted...

How can people be expected to be good at their job if they weren't even good at learning how to do their job?

Are you talking about colleges or trade schools? Most college grads I've had to train didn't know shit about the jobs they were hired to do.
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WastelandCowboy posted...

Greenfox111 posted...

colleges didn't give you a degree unless you graduate with a 4.0. How can people be expected to be good at their job if they weren't even good at learning how to do their job? This new method would mean anyone with a degree would be legitimately knowledgeable about their profession. Too hard for you? then college isn't for you. Lazy but smart people would be FORCED to study more or fail miserably.

I know this is controversial but I really think it would generally improve the world.

Yeah no. All requiring a 4.0 gpa to graduate would do is make students even more stressed out and delay their graduation, costing them even more money and time.

If they graduate and dont know what theyre doing then thats their problem.

lmfao hook line and sinker nice work tc
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3.0, sure.
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edededdy posted...

WastelandCowboy posted...

Greenfox111 posted...

colleges didn't give you a degree unless you graduate with a 4.0. How can people be expected to be good at their job if they weren't even good at learning how to do their job? This new method would mean anyone with a degree would be legitimately knowledgeable about their profession. Too hard for you? then college isn't for you. Lazy but smart people would be FORCED to study more or fail miserably.

I know this is controversial but I really think it would generally improve the world.

Yeah no. All requiring a 4.0 gpa to graduate would do is make students even more stressed out and delay their graduation, costing them even more money and time.

If they graduate and dont know what theyre doing then thats their problem.

lmfao hook line and sinker nice work tc

If that was bait, then Im a Nigerian prince.

Lol, I dropped out of high school and make 53k a year
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WastelandCowboy posted...

Yeah no. All requiring a 4.0 gpa to graduate would do is make students even more stressed out and delay their graduation, costing them even more money and time.

On top of that... Universities are a business. They need students to sign up to give them money. If things are so difficult that they are out of reach for most people, people would stop going. This would put pressure on the professors to "ease up" on marking and result in many people getting 4.0's that wouldn't have otherwise.

That would in turn make it harder to distinguish the people who would have otherwise gotten a 4.0 from everyone else, making it harder for people to distinguish themselves among their peers.
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Employers can start caring about GPA if they wanted. It's not like they are required to accept anyone with a degree, and they can find out your college GPA. But I think everyone understands that certain classes are not worth an A effort, particularly if the professor sucks.

Dynalo posted...

WastelandCowboy posted...

Yeah no. All requiring a 4.0 gpa to graduate would do is make students even more stressed out and delay their graduation, costing them even more money and time.

On top of that... Universities are a business. They need students to sign up to give them money. If things are so difficult that they are out of reach for most people, people would stop going. This would put pressure on the professors to "ease up" on marking and result in many people getting 4.0's that wouldn't have otherwise.

That would in turn make it harder to distinguish the people who would have otherwise gotten a 4.0 from everyone else, making it harder for people to distinguish themselves among their peers.

Indeed. And for a lot of professions, gpa doesnt mean shit. Its just a number. From an employers perspective, as long as the person can do their job, thats all they care about. If they cant do their job, theyll be fired or laid off. If theyre not doing their job correctly and their manager doesnt know andor doesnt care, thats on them. Its not the responsibility of the state or government to determine who can graduate and who cant.

GanglyKhan posted...

3.0, sure.

Would you rather have a brain surgeon who graduated with a 3.0 or a 4.0
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Greenfox111 posted...

GanglyKhan posted...

3.0, sure.

Would you rather have a brain surgeon who graduated with a 3.0 or a 4.0

a brain surgeon doesn't start operating right out of undergrad, they undergo years of residency as part of their program, so in other words you don't actually know how this stuff works and your opinion is meaningless
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Greenfox111 posted...

GanglyKhan posted...

3.0, sure.

Would you rather have a brain surgeon who graduated with a 3.0 or a 4.0

Personally, Id rather have a brain surgeon thats been practicing for a long time, is experienced, and knowledgeable about various scenarios that could happen during surgery.

I was asking ganglykhan
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Some professors are legitimately awful. A lot of people would be screwed out of a degree before they even start their first day of class.
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LMFAO, gpa is pretty worthless.
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To make that suggestion, you have to first demonstrate that a 4.0 GPA actually corresponds to higher job performance than anything else in a passing range. Very often, due to the nature of exams, GPA is more a reflection of a student's ability to memorize the material for one-time recall, not a reflection of their ability to practically apply the material months or years later. Most universities also require students to round out their transcripts with courses that have absolutely nothing to do with their target field, and those courses are included in GPA. An engineer's performance in English Literature isn't going to indicate much of anything about his ability to engineer.

Quite simply, there's a reason employers virtually never ask about specific GPA, and why so many college programs are just pass/fail instead of giving a numeric GPA. All the information an employer needs about a candidate's performance in school comes from the fact that they passed, provided "pass" is reasonably set (when it isn't, and people graduate without being competent, that school tends to lose credibility). Specific GPA just doesn't indicate much of anything.

Greenfox111 posted...

GanglyKhan posted...

3.0, sure.

Would you rather have a brain surgeon who graduated with a 3.0 or a 4.0

Med schools aren't going to let somebody graduate if they don't know enough about medicine to practice it effectively, so I don't think their GPA really matters. Even more so where, by the time a doctor can call themselves a surgeon, they've spent half a decade in residency learning the details of their chosen field. I'm more interested in that residency than in the grades they got 5+ years ago. Furthermore, you're not going to be assigned a surgeon who isn't competent enough to perform your specific surgeon. If you have something particularly difficult that demands the best surgeon available, you're going to get a senior neurosurgeon who's been out of school for multiple decades of practice, much of which will have been at a very high level.

So... I really don't care about their GPA. I care more about things like prior malpractice suits or other cases that have called their professional competency into question. GPA's just too long ago to be worth caring about.

nope

most people don't get jobs in their field

most jobs are going to be specialized enough that your education was pointless
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What jobs do you assume these newly un-degreed individuals would fill?

Like if suddenly the vast majority of people didnt have college degrees, what exactly would that accomplish?
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kangolcone posted...

What jobs do you assume these newly un-degreed individuals would fill?

Like if suddenly the vast majority of people didnt have college degrees, what exactly would that accomplish?

Low level positions such as cashiering and plumbing, like they deserve
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Greenfox111 posted...

GanglyKhan posted...

3.0, sure.

Would you rather have a brain surgeon who graduated with a 3.0 or a 4.0

Low effort post, my guy.
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Greenfox111 posted...

kangolcone posted...

What jobs do you assume these newly un-degreed individuals would fill?

Like if suddenly the vast majority of people didnt have college degrees, what exactly would that accomplish?

Low level positions such as cashiering, like they deserve

Many people actually work jobs like that while they're getting their degrees.

Greenfox111 posted...

Low level positions such as cashiering, like they deserve

Oh man...that logic...you didn't get perfect grades...off to the registers with you.

What do you do with them once the majority of cashier jobs are replaced by self checkout machines, genius?
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Well maybe they should make cashiers get 4.0 degrees too, that way they will be more effrctive than self checkouts
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Greenfox111 posted...

Well maybe they should make cashiers get 4.0 degrees too, that way they will be more effrctive than self checkouts

Then they could pay those cashiers $40 an hour.

Edit: It's obvious you didn't an A in English.
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A 4.0 req would just lead to the dilution of standards so more people could graduate with a 4.0
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I only got an A or A+ in maybe 10 courses in my entire B.Sc. degree. I majored in mathematics, some of the later courses were extremely difficult.
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Greenfox111 posted...

colleges didn't give you a degree unless you graduate with a 4.0. How can people be expected to be good at their job if they weren't even good at learning how to do their job? This new method would mean anyone with a degree would be legitimately knowledgeable about their profession. Too hard for you? then college isn't for you. Lazy but smart people would be FORCED to study more or fail miserably.

I know this is controversial but I really think it would generally improve the world.

Grades are a sham bro. Even if you get a 4.0.
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You're putting way too much emphasis on GPA
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There are a lot of things that would make the world a better place but we arent allowed to talk about them here.
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zebatov posted...

There are a lot of things that would make the world a better place but we arent allowed to talk about them here.

Soon, brother. Soon.
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soon, brudda
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Greenfox111 posted...

kangolcone posted...

What jobs do you assume these newly un-degreed individuals would fill?

Like if suddenly the vast majority of people didnt have college degrees, what exactly would that accomplish?

Low level positions such as cashiering and plumbing, like they deserve

And who fills the jobs they currently have?

Im now obsessed with this because its quite possibly the single worst idea ever put on PotD.

Moreover, plumbing isnt a low paying job. The average for plumbers is 55k. It does not surprise me though that somebody who overvalued GPA this much would look at all manual labor or trade jobs with disdain.
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Im also still looking for any evidence that college GPA makes a person more effective and productive. Cannot seem to find any.

Most people will work for 40+ years and that experience should carry far more weight than GPA.

Plus, wouldnt people just start going to easier schools? Like many of the kids who want to challenge themselves at Ivy League schools would just go to state schools or lower level academic institutions. What exactly would that accomplish?
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lol assuming everybody who gets 4.0 is automatically qualified for said job as opposed to just being able to memorise facts for an exam and then instantly brain dumping straight after?
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Greenfox111 posted...

Well maybe they should make cashiers get 4.0 degrees too, that way they will be more effrctive than self checkouts

Most cashiers are already more effective than self-checkouts. From a customer perspective, self-checkouts are desirable because you can fit more register into less square footage, meaning lines can move faster. They also create the sense of moving faster than having a cashier because the customer is actively participating in the process, rather than standing around waiting for stuff to be scanned/bagged. From a corporate perspective, self-checkouts are preferable not because they're more effective than cashiers, but because they cost less thanks to not needing to do silly things like eat or pay rent.

Furthermore, unless universities start offering degrees in register operation, you're going to be hard-pressed to explain how a 4.0 GPA would help somebody be a more effective cashier. That's just silly. You're silly.

_AdjI_ posted...

Furthermore, unless universities start offering degrees in register operation,

this is obviously what i was trying to say
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And what exactly do you propose would be taught in such institutions to fill multiple years of classes?

kangolcone posted...

And who fills the jobs they currently have?

Nobody, it's called supply and demand. Hopefully it'd open trade schools for computing.
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Im still honestly confused as to who you think this helps and why?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

kangolcone posted...

And who fills the jobs they currently have?

Nobody, it's called supply and demand. Hopefully it'd open trade schools for computing.

Ok lets assume that 90% of people dont get 4.0. Who replaces all the teachers who no longer have degrees? Are we only keeping the teachers who got 4.0s in college and just ballooning a high school class to 100-120 children.

You literally have no idea what supply and demand is about if you think its apt here. The people still exists. Thats what presents the demand, you would suddenly just have a lot lower supply of people with college degrees, which means they would probably start hiring those without degrees to fill those jobs. Now you wouldnt have people who had been to college to learn, youd have just high school graduates filling those positions.
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Like honestly, Im fascinated how somebody could come up with an idea this bad and thinking it has merit. I need this discussion to continue.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Nobody, it's called supply and demand.

That's not called supply and demand, it's called a critical labour shortage. The economy would be in major trouble very quickly if that happened, as every position that required a degree of some sort all but completely stopped being filled.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Hopefully it'd open trade schools for computing.

That sounds to me like you're looking for a loophole to undermine TC's argument, which does nothing to support it. Sure, you can say that a trade school would be offering a diploma program and not a degree, and that you therefore wouldn't need a 4.0 GPA to pass it, but that's very much a matter of exploiting a technicality to circumvent the hypothetical scenario. Realistically, if such a rule were somehow enforced, that's exactly what would happen. The word "degree" would just be replaced with something functionally identical to let people continue qualifying for jobs, making this whole "you need a 4.0 to get a degree" thing completely meaningless. As such, anyone looking to enforce such a rule would probably take that into account, and diploma and certificate programs would be included in it.

Imagine the crunch that would happen in the medical field.

Theres already a crushing shortage of pediatricians in rural areas. Now we would just have less pediatricians.

So the world would be a more professional and better place if we had more children who were unable to receive adequate medical care?

Explain how this is better exactly?
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We should just reserve education for upper-class people. Poor people can fuck off
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kangolcone posted...

Explain how this is better exactly?

He won't. Making poorly-thought-out controversial statements and suggestions about society is kind of TC's schtick. I can't tell if he's trolling or genuinely this clueless, but either way, don't hold your breath for an intelligent response to pointing out the obvious flaws in the idea.

Im not waiting for an intelligent response. The whole topic is half-baked at best so anything in line with that level of reasoning is fine by me.

Who knows perhaps he comes out and says that just as he believes only people who have a 4.0 should only be allowed in college, maybe he will also state that only people in urban areas deserve proper medical care.

But Im still honestly unclear as to why he thinks this makes society better.
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Only the top three in each class should get a credit for the class

Also, I would assume that this should apply to college admittance as well? Only those with 4.0 get to enter college.
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