Current Events > IYO, what kind of Democrat would be best suited for defeating Trump in 2020?

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if you don't think any democrat can win, then just pick the one you think would have the highest chance
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hillary
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I've always liked Al Gore
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Anyone with a pulse.

also I wonder how well the results will correlate to lefties voting for #2 and righties voting for #3
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bumo
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A sane centrist

The third option is the one I'd settle with out of those terrible choices.
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Hillary was an example of option 3.
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Genocet_10-325 posted...

Hillary was an example of option 3.

A tad better than Sanders. LMAO I can't believe I'm saying this.
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Though I want Trump to win again-----

One that can turn up a crowd like Trump can. As much as I dislike Obama, I can admit he was a good crowd pleaser/speaker. He offered that hope and change! Maybe someone with similar attributes to Beta, though Beto has never even been a senator and failed his senate race with Cruz.

I think it will take some effort to defeat Trump. Not just anyone will be able to do it.
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Houston posted...

Though I want Trump to win again-----

One that can turn up a crowd like Trump can. As much as I dislike Obama, I can admit he was a good crowd pleaser/speaker. He offered that hope and change! Maybe someone with similar attributes to Beta, though Beto has never even been a senator and failed his senate race with Cruz.

I think it will take some effort to defeat Trump. Not just anyone will be able to do it.

they'll absolutely need to be able to excite and energize people. that has to happen no matter what imo though. I was more curious if people thought the democrats need to try to become more like conservatives or more like social democrats or if they should stay exactly where they are as neoliberals
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most Dems are better suited than Trump, but that doesn't mean I'm riding with the Dems by default.
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Anyone who is charismatic. America is full of morons and that's all that matters.
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i mean, you worded it in a ridiculous way, but "red state democrat" aka beto.
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ThyCorndog posted...

Houston posted...

Though I want Trump to win again-----

One that can turn up a crowd like Trump can. As much as I dislike Obama, I can admit he was a good crowd pleaser/speaker. He offered that hope and change! Maybe someone with similar attributes to Beta, though Beto has never even been a senator and failed his senate race with Cruz.

I think it will take some effort to defeat Trump. Not just anyone will be able to do it.

they'll absolutely need to be able to excite and energize people. that has to happen no matter what imo though. I was more curious if people thought the democrats need to try to become more like conservatives or more like social democrats or if they should stay exactly where they are as neoliberals

They should probably stay the same. Hillary would have won if Trump didn't successfully run. I don't believe Cruz or Ted could have won WI, PA and MI.

But then that brings us back to the conundrum, because Trump allegedly will be running again.

Interesting question.
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Historically, being from the South gives an advantage to Democrats. I don't think Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton would have been elected if they weren't from the South. So, I took the red state option.
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Sunburst posted...

Historically, being from the South gives an advantage to Democrats. I don't think Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton would have been elected if they weren't from the South. So, I took the red state option.

that hasn't been true since the time before you were even born.

and a major tipping point for Clinton's victory was because of his inhumane stance on crime and punishment. literally a three strikes system.
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Not Hillary, shes not a true Democrat. When need an actual leftist that will push through liberal policies.
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moanin bump
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Somebody who has an answer to the material problems people face more substantial than some invisible tax credit.
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A non-criminal. Yeah, Trump hasn't set a high bar.
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"The only Democrat who can beat Trump and the only Democrat I would vote for is a Democrat who holds literally all of Trump's positions!"

*Takes off MAGA hat*

Anyway, in all seriousness whether progressive or centrist, it's gotta be a Dem who can clearly articulate their policies, give people something to root for, and someone who can turn out a crowd.
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RoadsterUFO posted...

Tulsi Gabbard or Jim Webb. A standard cliche neoliberal is just asking for a second Trump term.

I endorse this post wholeheartedly.
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preferably someone who has not been demonized by 30 years of republican propaganda

it's just a little too easy for them to attack a candidate like clinton when people already believe a ton of nonsense

beyond that idgaf. if we turn out 5 more voters than the GOP do in PA, OH, FL, etc we win. the presidential election isnt about good candidates it is about exploiting the electoral college and not diluting your campaign to help down-ticket candidates
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CE seems to be split on whether the democrats are better off trying to fire up the left, or to try and take votes from the right
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ThyCorndog posted...

CE seems to be split on whether the democrats are better off trying to fire up the left, or to try and take votes from the right

Democrats explicitly tried the latter strategy in 2016 and it did not work.
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ThyCorndog posted...

CE seems to be split on whether the democrats are better off trying to fire up the left, or to try and take votes from the right

That's just horseshoe theory in action.
Appealing to the fringe or the center are both viable strategies.

Antifar posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

CE seems to be split on whether the democrats are better off trying to fire up the left, or to try and take votes from the right

Democrats explicitly tried the latter strategy in 2016 and it did not work.

There are more dimensions to politics than "left" and "right." Clinton may have been more "moderate" than Bernie, but on the issues that mattered to voters, Bernie had a lot in common with Trump.
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TheMikh posted...

There are more dimensions to politics than "left" and "right." Clinton may have been more "moderate" than Bernie, but on the issues that mattered to voters, Bernie had a lot in common with Trump.

there was little evidence of sanders voters migrating to trump, less than that of clinton voters migrating to mccain in 2008
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All it will take is someone who gets media coverage and isn't Hillary.
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I prefer an Obama Democrat.

A rational centrist that isn't suicidal on border security and foreign policy but someone that can progress us forward.

Unfortunately it seems like the party is so fractured I don't know what type would be best, because anyone that appeals to moderates will alienate the full commie idiots and anyone that appeals to the cuck commies and identitarians, will alienate moderates.
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Beto tbh

The primary process will begin in 2019 and he's the best they've got and are going to get.
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a lot of people seem to think beto will be the best candidate to put up against trump
anyone care to clarify why they think that?
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ThyCorndog posted...

a lot of people seem to think beto will be the best candidate to put up against trump
anyone care to clarify why they think that?

Because everyone else who's been mentioned as a possibility is terrible.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

ThyCorndog posted...

a lot of people seem to think beto will be the best candidate to put up against trump
anyone care to clarify why they think that?

Because everyone else who's been mentioned as a possibility is terrible.

Trump is also terrible though. And the midterms showed he lost a lot of support in states he absolutely needs.
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ThyCorndog posted...

a lot of people seem to think beto will be the best candidate to put up against trump
anyone care to clarify why they think that?

Young, handsome, charismatic, great campaigner, little to no scandals, not on the party fringe

Basically Obama 2.0

I don't have much of an opinion of him myself yet. He did well in Texas, but I'd have to learn more about that dude. On a surface level seems better than Booker, Warren, Gilliabrand, and Biden, however
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Hot Take: Not a woman. Country's just not ready for it. It's basically impossible to find a woman in the Democratic party who won't be painted as a shrill domineering harpy in the general election. The media landscape lends itself to pushing that sort of narrative regardless of the validity of it.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

Beto tbh

The primary process will begin in 2019 and he's the best they've got and are going to get.

he's prob the best politician we've seen in the last decade

so, i agree

CW_McGraw posted...

Hot Take: Not a woman. Country's just not ready for it. It's basically impossible to find a woman in the Democratic party who won't be painted as a shrill domineering harpy in the general election. The media landscape lends itself to pushing that sort of narrative regardless of the validity of it.

imo, it's less this and more the perception that the dem primary base/party establishment is playing favorites

a woman who had broad support from men in the primaries would do great. given the nature of GOP identity politics and how much better they are at it, a woman who is not running on her candidacy being 'historic' would also assist. that was seen as deeply toxic for clinton and she distanced herself from it, but far too late.
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What policies of Beto's do you guys like?
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Intro2Logic posted...

What policies of Beto's do you guys like?

No PAC Act (H.R.1743)

End gerrymandering

creating a public option

https://betofortexas.com/issues/
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Darkman124 posted...

End gerrymandering

Not really possible, outside of maybe Wyoming. The only real scenario is "gerrymandered in a way I like".

Questionmarktarius posted...

Not really possible. The only real scenario is "gerrymandered in a way I like".

um, no.

gerrymandering is a spectrum, and the least gerrymandered result would be "% of house reps/state legislature elected equivalent to % of votes for that party, +/- 5%."

that said it is super fucked that state legislatures can draw the districts THEY are elected to. it's bad enough that they do it for federal house representatives but it's a million times worse that they also do it for themselves.
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Darkman124 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Not really possible. The only real scenario is "gerrymandered in a way I like".

um, no.

No party will be willing to accept rectangular redistricting.

Questionmarktarius posted...

Darkman124 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Not really possible. The only real scenario is "gerrymandered in a way I like".

um, no.

No party will be willing to accept rectangular redistricting.

that's why you take control away from both parties

multiple states have done it

it works
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Trump cannot be defeated. Watch him and marvel as he brings the values of freedom and liberty to our world.
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Darkman124 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Darkman124 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Not really possible. The only real scenario is "gerrymandered in a way I like".

um, no.

No party will be willing to accept rectangular redistricting.

that's why you take control away from both parties

multiple states have done it

it works

The only way to remove bias entirely from the process is every representative being "at large".