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Veggeta_EDGE
12/11/18 10:50:29 AM
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Especially those who wants to come in not knowing the whole entire shitstorm of the plot all from the handheld games to the mobile games to the spinoffs and basically everything in between. If you can't afford to play and understand all the games then you'd better watch a LP on youtube and get up to speed.
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_MorningStar
12/11/18 10:54:00 AM
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Simon_Petrikov
12/11/18 10:54:12 AM
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Wut?
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DevsBro
12/11/18 10:54:57 AM
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When has any fan community been friendly to newcomers?
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Megaman50100
12/11/18 10:55:31 AM
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90% of people I see hyped for 3 have skipped 2/3rds of the series, so......
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Zerocide
12/11/18 10:57:18 AM
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How many Veggs are there? Tf.
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Veggeta X
12/11/18 10:58:14 AM
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_MorningStar posted...
Wait, what?

Simon_Petrikov posted...
Wut?

Yes.

DevsBro posted...
When has any fan community been friendly to newcomers?

Monster Hunter World has been great.

Megaman50100 posted...
90% of people I see hyped for 3 have skipped 2/3rds of the series, so......

Exactly and the core fans hates this and demands everyone get up to speed one way or another or we are just getting a tip of what KH3 has to truly offer.
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Megaman50100
12/11/18 10:58:25 AM
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ImAMarvel posted...
I need to get caught up on the games but the plot went to absolute shit after Chain of Memories anyway so I'm not sure what the big deal is.

This. The plot is convoluted and unimportant to enjoy the series. Anyone who says the plot doesn't make sense is wrong and simply didn't play the games, but anyone who says the plot is worth the effort is also a liar.
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Veggeta X
12/11/18 10:59:52 AM
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I personally was trying to keep up with the shitstorm of the plot as best I could but 100% BBS was a drag and I gave up shamefully. I will enjoy KH3 as best I can without knowing the complete lore or even with plot holes.
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dave_is_slick
12/11/18 10:59:57 AM
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ImAMarvel posted...
I need to get caught up on the games but the plot went to absolute shit after Chain of Memories anyway so I'm not sure what the big deal is.

From what I hear, it'll include a video that catches everyone up. If you don't want to watch and instead play, get The Story So Far. Everything in one place.
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DevsBro
12/11/18 11:01:21 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
Exactly and the core fans hates this and demands everyone get up to speed one way or another or we are just getting a tip of what KH3 has to truly offer.

In fairness, this is probably the one series you'll be most lost in if you skip entries. Or MGS.
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CyricZ
12/11/18 11:01:41 AM
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What's this? Fan communities can be toxic and gatekeeping?
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TheoryzC
12/11/18 11:02:25 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
I personally was trying to keep up with the shitstorm of the plot as best I could but 100% BBS was a drag and I gave up shamefully. I will enjoy KH3 as best I can without knowing the complete lore or even with plot holes.

Well that settles that
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Veggeta X
12/11/18 11:02:53 AM
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Is that the term for what this is? Gatekeeping? New to me. I've seen communities done this before but for smaller communities of games. I'd say this is the biggest gatekeeping from my experience.
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KillerSlaw
12/11/18 11:19:50 AM
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I don't blame them

I hate almost everyone I meet in the MGS community who started with MGS 4 or V and talk like they know what they are talking about but know absolutely fuck all.
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Veggeta X
12/11/18 11:23:54 AM
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KillerSlaw posted...
I don't blame them

I hate almost everyone I meet in the MGS community who started with MGS 4 or V and talk like they know what they are talking about but know absolutely fuck all.

I mean if not they prolly started with MGS on the PS1.
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The_Scarecrow
12/11/18 11:30:12 AM
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People who decide to jump on the hype train multiples games/movies into a series are the worst. Nobody likes a band wagoner. Now, if they decide play the other games first or at least know the plot and characters, its different.
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Veggeta X
12/11/18 11:40:09 AM
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The_Scarecrow posted...
People who decide to jump on the hype train multiples games/movies into a series are the worst. Nobody likes a band wagoner. Now, if they decide play the other games first or at least know the plot and characters, its different.

This is how you chase away new fans.
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catboy0_0
12/11/18 11:41:09 AM
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I mean so? play the old games first it's not hard (well it kind of is because the games are boring but still)
get up to speed. you know better
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Raikuro
12/11/18 11:48:56 AM
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Veggeta_EDGE posted...
can't afford to play and understand all the games

There's a $40 release that details 9 games. Anyone that can afford KH3 for $60 could afford that.
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The_Scarecrow
12/11/18 11:48:59 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
The_Scarecrow posted...
People who decide to jump on the hype train multiples games/movies into a series are the worst. Nobody likes a band wagoner. Now, if they decide play the other games first or at least know the plot and characters, its different.

This is how you chase away new fans.


Not really. Theres a right way and a wrong way to go about entering a series that has several entries. Starting from the beginning is fine. Jumping in at the 10th game then crying about how nothing makes sense is not fine.
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catboy0_0
12/11/18 11:49:38 AM
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The_Scarecrow posted...
Not really. Theres a right way and a wrong way to go about entering a series that has several entries. Starting from the beginning is fine. Jumping in at the 10th game then crying about how nothing makes sense is not fine.

I agree
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PerseusRad
12/11/18 11:50:06 AM
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Im pretty sure they just dont want people jumping in, getting confused, and insulting the game over it, which has a tendency to happen.
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Veggeta X
12/11/18 11:50:35 AM
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Raikuro posted...
Veggeta_EDGE posted...
can't afford to play and understand all the games

There's a $40 release that details 9 games. Anyone that can afford KH3 for $60 could afford that.

To understand a LOT of the plot you HAVE to 100% some of the games and the take a long time and can become a chore. Really not as simple as you'd want to make it. Even just watching all the plot on YT could be draining.
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catboy0_0
12/11/18 11:51:05 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
To understand a LOT of the plot you HAVE to 100% some of the games and the take a long time and can become a chore. Really not as simple as you'd want to make it. Even just watching all the plot on YT could be draining.

then Kingdom Hearts is not for you. why make things difficult?
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Veggeta X
12/11/18 11:51:44 AM
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The_Scarecrow posted...
Jumping in at the 10th game then crying about how nothing makes sense is not fine.

Agreed but people are still allowed to play the game starting KH3.
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AvantgardeAClue
12/11/18 11:51:46 AM
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I'm a Fire Emblem newb (started with Awakening) but my favorite game is Genealogy, go figure.

MGS fanboys who only give a shit about Big Boss's story are the worst though. Kojima literally said Solid Snake was the better man between the two of them
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catboy0_0
12/11/18 11:52:17 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
The_Scarecrow posted...
Jumping in at the 10th game then crying about how nothing makes sense is not fine.

Agreed but people are still allowed to play the game starting KH3.

only if they don't complain about what's going on or act entitled like they DESERVE to be considered a fan
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Veggeta X
12/11/18 11:52:28 AM
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catboy0_0 posted...
then Kingdom Hearts is not for you. why make things difficult?

it's not for 90% of the people.
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catboy0_0
12/11/18 11:52:52 AM
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Veggeta X posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
then Kingdom Hearts is not for you. why make things difficult?

it's not for 90% of the people.

what does that have to do with anything
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The_Scarecrow
12/11/18 12:05:13 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
The_Scarecrow posted...
Jumping in at the 10th game then crying about how nothing makes sense is not fine.

Agreed but people are still allowed to play the game starting KH3.


They can but they shouldnt proceed to bash the game if the story confuses them. A large majority of the questions newcomers will have would be answered for them if they checked into the other games beforehand. A YouTube reviewer called Angry Joe will be starting with KH3 and has said that if he doesnt understand the story, he will hold that as a negative against the game. The KH community was angry and rightfully so because that is not fair to the game or the devs. Newcomers really should just start from the beginning. Then, they will enjoy the latest entry far more.
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catboy0_0
12/11/18 12:05:50 PM
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The_Scarecrow posted...
Veggeta X posted...
The_Scarecrow posted...
Jumping in at the 10th game then crying about how nothing makes sense is not fine.

Agreed but people are still allowed to play the game starting KH3.


They can but they shouldnt proceed to bash the game if the story confuses them. A large majority of the questions newcomers will have would be answered for them if they checked into the other games beforehand. A YouTube reviewer called Angry Joe will be starting with KH3 and has said that if he doesnt understand the story, he will hold that as a negative against the game. The KH community was angry and rightfully so because that is not fair to the game or the devs. Newcomers really should just start from the beginning. Then, they will enjoy the latest entry far more.

100% agreed
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DarkRoast
12/11/18 12:06:58 PM
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I've played all of the main games (1, 2, CoM, BBS, DDD) and I don't have a fucking clue what the story is at this point.
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DarkChozoGhost
12/12/18 10:59:32 AM
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Did you go to the KH board and say "I only played one and 2, can you summaries the rest of the story in a few sentences?" then act innocent when they were annoyed?

I think the KH fanbase is weird for other reasons, but that would be understandable.
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Veggeta X
12/12/18 10:59:56 AM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
Did you go to the KH board and say "I only played one and 2, can you summaries the rest of the story in a few sentences?" then act innocent when they were annoyed?

I think the KH fanbase is weird for other reasons, but that would be understandable.

Naw and you should feel bad to assume this of me.
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DarkChozoGhost
12/12/18 11:05:14 AM
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You didn't go to the board and flaunt the fact that you're playing 3 without playing the other games?
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Veggeta X
12/12/18 11:11:05 AM
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DarkChozoGhost posted...
You didn't go to the board and flaunt the fact that you're playing 3 without playing the other games?


Naw and you should feel bad to assume this of me.
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DarkChozoGhost
12/12/18 11:16:21 AM
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It's in line with your shitposting habits.
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Veggeta X
12/12/18 11:17:06 AM
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I never shitpost. If you were really a good person you would apologize to me.
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DarkChozoGhost
12/12/18 11:24:14 AM
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I don't claim to be a good person, and it's not worth the effort to look up one of the many times where you admitted to being a shitposter.
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Veggeta X
12/12/18 11:27:33 AM
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LMAO thanks now I know not to take you even less seriously.
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CyricZ
12/12/18 11:29:44 AM
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Question.

Is Terra officially gone from existence? He split into Ansem (SoD) and Xemnas, both of whom are gone, right? Or is that a question we have an answer to yet?
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masterpug53
12/12/18 11:33:58 AM
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The_Scarecrow posted...
A YouTube reviewer called Angry Joe will be starting with KH3 and has said that if he doesnt understand the story, he will hold that as a negative against the game.


As well he should. Spinoff games, movies, novels, etc are meant for side stories that, while they may enhance the plot and understanding of the main series, should not be essential to said overall plot. If I go straight from Two Towers into Return of the King and am suddenly lost plot-wise because I didn't watch two straight-to-home-video side movies and listen to an exclusive audio book and play a video game tie-in released on the Atari Lynx, I would be rightfully pissed off and lose interest.

So as far as I know from playing the main entries in the series, Xehanort / Xemnas as they appear in KH 2 are the true main antagonists of the series. If this particular plot point goes any deeper than this without being first revealed in KH 3 (spoiler alert: I already know it does.), then the series has quite simply failed to properly deliver this aspect of the narrative.
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CyricZ
12/12/18 11:40:17 AM
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Have any other long-running contiguous series been this messy, ever?

I think of the Yakuza series, but at the end of the day, each game is its own story.
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Veggeta X
12/12/18 11:43:40 AM
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Another problem with KH core fans is they don't want to accept that the plot could maybe be considered a shitstorm.
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DarkChozoGhost
12/12/18 12:13:55 PM
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masterpug53 posted...
The_Scarecrow posted...
A YouTube reviewer called Angry Joe will be starting with KH3 and has said that if he doesnt understand the story, he will hold that as a negative against the game.


As well he should. Spinoff games, movies, novels, etc are meant for side stories that, while they may enhance the plot and understanding of the main series, should not be essential to said overall plot. If I go straight from Two Towers into Return of the King and am suddenly lost plot-wise because I didn't watch two straight-to-home-video side movies and listen to an exclusive audio book and play a video game tie-in released on the Atari Lynx, I would be rightfully pissed off and lose interest.

So as far as I know from playing the main entries in the series, Xehanort / Xemnas as they appear in KH 2 are the true main antagonists of the series. If this particular plot point goes any deeper than this without being first revealed in KH 3 (spoiler alert: I already know it does.), then the series has quite simply failed to properly deliver this aspect of the narrative.

Birth By Sleep and DDD aren't side stories though. BBS is KH0. The're just as important as 1 and 2.
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Vyrulisse
12/12/18 12:15:46 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
Another problem with KH core fans is they don't want to accept that the plot could maybe be considered a shitstorm.

Wander into any discussion between fans about the story and you come away with the sensation that a lot of them have turned it into some kind of religion they take it so seriously. To even consider that it's a narrative mess with retcons and all kinds of other extraneous and unnecessary bullshit to create an illusion of complexity is an insult to them personally.
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DarkChozoGhost
12/12/18 12:18:55 PM
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The worst thing about KH fans is their attitude towards playing versus watching games.

"358/2 days has boring, repetitive gameplay, but a great plot. You should play that one. Re:Coded is really fun with some incredible gameplay, but the story sucks. You should just watch that one on youtube."

PLAY the one with bad gameplay, and WATCH the one with bad story? That's as backwards as you can get.
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CyricZ
12/12/18 12:19:05 PM
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The other day I learned that the story contained time travel.
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