Board 8 > Wow, gamefaqs have completely lost the plot

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Vlado
12/09/18 5:21:20 AM
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Zelda beating Mario was already bad, but Snake losing this badly to Samus is disgraceful.
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Safer_777
12/09/18 5:32:56 AM
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Drones.
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Vlado
12/09/18 5:40:58 AM
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Not even that. Mario wouldn't have lost to Zelda on a Nintendo site. This is worse.
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Safer_777
12/09/18 5:41:45 AM
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Drones that like porn rallies.
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Vlado
12/09/18 5:45:38 AM
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A rally is once again not a valid excuse. The match failed to draw as many votes as Link/Cloud (or even one of the most boring matches of the contest, the Crono/Bowser rematch 2 days earlier).
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scabab
12/09/18 6:37:05 AM
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This site is mainly popular with children. Nintendo characters like Mario, Zelda, Link Seamus etc are exclusively for children.

So they just vote for those even though they aren't good characters because they appeal to their age range.

Everyone knows Samus is a garbage character compared to Solid Snake but he won't win here because he's not a children's character.
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JonThePenguin
12/09/18 7:00:51 AM
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scabab posted...
This site is mainly popular with children.

...what site do you think youre on?
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INTERWEBUSER
12/09/18 7:24:35 AM
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JonThePenguin posted...
scabab posted...
This site is mainly popular with children.

...what site do you think youre on?

Theres physical age and theres mental age.
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scabab
12/09/18 7:30:14 AM
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JonThePenguin posted...
...what site do you think youre on?


The site is that mainly popular with children.
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Ilishe
12/09/18 7:34:37 AM
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I think he meant manchildren.
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INTERWEBUSER
12/09/18 7:38:57 AM
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Ilishe posted...
I think he meant manchildren.


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LinkMarioSamus
12/09/18 8:15:52 AM
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Arguing with Vlado is useless, but to be fair Metal Gear is dead while Metroid very much is not.

And keep in mind that Snake gets quite a bit of his strength from something Nintendo anyway. So is he suddenly a children's character or something? And many of Samus's games are T-rated, how is that for children? Then again I know many of you aren't particularly serious.
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Tom Bombadil
12/09/18 8:16:12 AM
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would not have expected you to support Mario over Zelda
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Peace___Frog
12/09/18 9:22:03 AM
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JonThePenguin posted...
scabab posted...
This site is mainly popular with children.

...what site do you think youre on?

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Jman_maximum
12/09/18 9:22:59 AM
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Konami tried to kill Kojima but just killed Metal Gear instead
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LinkMarioSamus
12/09/18 10:25:13 AM
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Also to many Metroid games simply hold up better than Metal Gear games.
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Dels
12/09/18 10:27:05 AM
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scabab posted...


Everyone knows Samus is a garbage character compared to Solid Snake but he won't win here because he's not a children's character.


i mean you're not entirely wrong but i also think it's a bit silly to talk about how undervalued snake is when he's in a group known as the elite of the elite in this contest who never loses to 95% of entrants
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Vlado
12/09/18 10:38:13 AM
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Tom Bombadil posted...
would not have expected you to support Mario over Zelda

I'm full of surprises. :) The Zelda/Smash bias is just ridiculous.
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KillDozer123
12/09/18 11:31:49 AM
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Neither of these arguments are even comparable, especially when MegaMan is only barely beating Crono. I don't hear you complaining about that, even though it's far worse.

After all, Zelda and Samus are still just as relevant as Mario and Snake. Crono hasn't been relevant for years. Think about that before making troll posts. ;-)
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LapisLazuli
12/09/18 11:38:57 AM
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Vlado pissy that women who don't have their tits out are winning.
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lordjers
12/09/18 12:03:13 PM
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It's because Link Vs. Zelda is new, exciting, and breaks new ground.
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Kenri
12/09/18 1:33:20 PM
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scabab posted...
Everyone knows Samus is a garbage character compared to Solid Snake but he won't win here because he's not a children's character.

Snake is 100% a children's character too lol
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SuperNiceDog
12/09/18 1:43:43 PM
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this contest has been women overperforming everywhere
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Vlado
12/09/18 2:24:21 PM
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KillDozer123 posted...
Neither of these arguments are even comparable, especially when MegaMan is only barely beating Crono. I don't hear you complaining about that, even though it's far worse.

Why would I complain about two real gaming icons having a close match? The joke is anyone Nintendo but Link and Mario beating either of them.
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KillDozer123
12/09/18 2:55:57 PM
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Vlado posted...
two real gaming icons


Well, you're complaining about Zelda beating Mario, and they're both real gaming icons.

You're complaining about Samus beating Snake, and they're both real gaming icons.

Only MegaMan is a real gaming icon. Crono hasn't been relevant for years, therefore, by default, he can't be a real gaming icon.

Thus, you're either a Crono fanboy, or sexist. Or both. ;-)
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LinkMarioSamus
12/09/18 3:41:58 PM
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Vlado posted...
KillDozer123 posted...
Neither of these arguments are even comparable, especially when MegaMan is only barely beating Crono. I don't hear you complaining about that, even though it's far worse.

Why would I complain about two real gaming icons having a close match? The joke is anyone Nintendo but Link and Mario beating either of them.


So Samus beating Mega Man would be a joke, despite Metroid being arguably a more popular series than Mega Man? And please don't play the "Metroid isn't mainstream" card. Among devoted gamers it is.
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Vlado
12/10/18 4:13:19 AM
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KillDozer123 posted...
Well, you're complaining about Zelda beating Mario, and they're both real gaming icons.

Except Mario is a thousand times the icon Zelda is. While I like Zelda, she is a supporting character.

KillDozer123 posted...
Crono hasn't been relevant for years, therefore, by default, he can't be a real gaming icon.

His game recently got a release on Steam and Android. He's still very relevant.

KillDozer123 posted...
Thus, you're either a Crono fanboy, or sexist. Or both. ;-)

lol, where do you think you are? Imagine believing you'd hurt my fee-fees by calling me an "-ist."

metaIslug posted...
Snake has always been trash compared to Big Boss

Well, Big Boss lost to Red, so... (But yes, he's even better than Snake!)
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KillDozer123
12/10/18 5:08:15 AM
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Vlado posted...
KillDozer123 posted...
Well, you're complaining about Zelda beating Mario, and they're both real gaming icons.

Except Mario is a thousand times the icon Zelda is. While I like Zelda, she is a supporting character.

KillDozer123 posted...
Crono hasn't been relevant for years, therefore, by default, he can't be a real gaming icon.

His game recently got a release on Steam and Android. He's still very relevant.

KillDozer123 posted...
Thus, you're either a Crono fanboy, or sexist. Or both. ;-)

lol, where do you think you are? Imagine believing you'd hurt my fee-fees by calling me an "-ist."


1. By that logic, Samus is a thousand times the icon Snake is, because Samus has always been the main protagonist in the Metroid series - every single game - whereas Snake has been relegated to just a supporting character in some of them. But nope, Samus beating Snake is them losing the plot, because, as we've established, you're sexist.

2. You just said it yourself...his game. Game singular. Thus it's not relevant. That would make Ice Climbers relevant because their games were on Nintendo's E-Shop...and yet they're not relevant. Heck, they're still somehow more relevant than Crono because they've at least been in things like Super Smash Bros.

3. The correct answer is "No, I'm not a sexist". By saying what you did in such a childish manner shows you're in denial, and thus a sexist. Simple, really.

Long story short, Samus is just as relevant as Snake and Zelda is just as relevant as Mario, but Crono is nowhere near as relevant as Cloud. Thems the facts.
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Vlado
12/10/18 6:00:12 AM
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KillDozer123 posted...
1. By that logic, Samus is a thousand times the icon Snake is, because Samus has always been the main protagonist in the Metroid series - every single game - whereas Snake has been relegated to just a supporting character in some of them. But nope, Samus beating Snake is them losing the plot, because, as we've established, you're sexist.

lmao, no, it's a secondary Nintendo character vs. one of, if not the biggest non-Nintendo character. If the site wasn't so heavily skewed towards Nintendo, Snake would be winning. He would win on pretty much any non-Nintendo gaming site except for this one.

KillDozer123 posted...
2. You just said it yourself...his game. Game singular. Thus it's not relevant. That would make Ice Climbers relevant because their games were on Nintendo's E-Shop...and yet they're not relevant. Heck, they're still somehow more relevant than Crono because they've at least been in things like Super Smash Bros.

It does not seem like you possess the capacity to appreciate Chrono Trigger, so I will not ask you to play it. But I will advise you to read up on the game to at least understand its popularity.

KillDozer123 posted...
3. The correct answer is "No, I'm not a sexist".

lol, once again, where do you think you are? The correct answer is to laugh at you for even entertaining the thought that throwing an insult is going to get me on the defensive.
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Peace___Frog
12/10/18 7:15:36 AM
#33:


KillDozer123 posted...
3. The correct answer is "No, I'm not a sexist". By saying what you did in such a childish manner shows you're in denial, and thus a sexist. Simple, really.

You must be new here. Vlado is proud of his sexism and makes no effort to pretend otherwise.
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Vlado
12/10/18 7:34:08 AM
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The ones who pretend men and women are the same are "sexist," i.e. degrading women, not the ones like me who acknolwedge that men and women are different and naturally have different strengths and weaknesses.

Not that this has got anything to do with a conversation about video game characters.
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Mr Lasastryke
12/10/18 7:52:23 AM
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Vlado posted...
Except Mario is a thousand times the icon Zelda is. While I like Zelda, she is a supporting character.


first of all, back in '04 you absolutely despised mario. not sure what amazing character development he has had since then that made you do a complete 180 on him.

second of all, why are main characters automatically superior to supporting characters? in star wars: episode i - the phantom menace, shmi skywalker is a supporting character, but she's still a thousand times better than jar jar binks (who's one of the main characters).
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Vlado
12/10/18 8:23:22 AM
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An icon != I like him as a character.
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imthestuntman
12/10/18 9:09:23 AM
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Vlado posted...
KillDozer123 posted...
2. You just said it yourself...his game. Game singular. Thus it's not relevant. That would make Ice Climbers relevant because their games were on Nintendo's E-Shop...and yet they're not relevant. Heck, they're still somehow more relevant than Crono because they've at least been in things like Super Smash Bros.

It does not seem like you possess the capacity to appreciate Chrono Trigger, so I will not ask you to play it. But I will advise you to read up on the game to at least understand its popularity.

I mean he's speaking to relevancy not quality. And he is spot on. Crono hasn't been relevant in years. The fact that he is as strong as he is is a testament to the quality. But he cant hold on forever on the strength of one great game... he is far and away the biggest one hit wonder on the site.
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Tom Bombadil
12/10/18 9:10:41 AM
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If you like Zelda more, why would you be upset that she beat Mario clean?
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Mr Lasastryke
12/10/18 9:10:45 AM
#39:


Vlado posted...
An icon != I like him as a character.


ok, so people voted for a character you like over a character you don't like... yet you're complaining?

the point of this contest is to gauge the popularity of all the characters on this site, not to determine who the most iconic character is.
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imthestuntman
12/10/18 9:13:56 AM
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I would argue crono would barely even count as a gaming icon. Like I would put him well below crash bandicoot or master chief... I mean he has a great game, but I doubt would even make a top 50 most iconic characters list. Hell I bet phoenix wright even beats him in that regard.
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Vlado
12/10/18 9:52:03 AM
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imthestuntman posted...
Vlado posted...
KillDozer123 posted...
2. You just said it yourself...his game. Game singular. Thus it's not relevant. That would make Ice Climbers relevant because their games were on Nintendo's E-Shop...and yet they're not relevant. Heck, they're still somehow more relevant than Crono because they've at least been in things like Super Smash Bros.

It does not seem like you possess the capacity to appreciate Chrono Trigger, so I will not ask you to play it. But I will advise you to read up on the game to at least understand its popularity.

I mean he's speaking to relevancy not quality. And he is spot on. Crono hasn't been relevant in years. The fact that he is as strong as he is is a testament to the quality. But he cant hold on forever on the strength of one great game... he is far and away the biggest one hit wonder on the site.

Sure. But the game getting re-released means new people play it, so he gains/regains strength. Seeing as how the same guy is hating on Crono in other threads, I'm pretty sure he's doing it out of malice for Chrono Trigger, and not for mere semantics as your post suggests.

Tom Bombadil posted...
If you like Zelda more, why would you be upset that she beat Mario clean?

I'm not that upset, it just adds to the overall picture. If a secondary Zelda character can beat the biggest non-Zelda character, that's pretty severe bias. But it was Snake losing so badly that made me start the thread.

imthestuntman posted...
I would argue crono would barely even count as a gaming icon. Like I would put him well below crash bandicoot or master chief... I mean he has a great game, but I doubt would even make a top 50 most iconic characters list. Hell I bet phoenix wright even beats him in that regard.

While Ace Attorney is among my favourite series, let's not pretend it's that relevant. Crono's game is the product of Square's absolute dream team at the time, and "the time" was the RPG golden age, Square's strongest time that they'll never come close to again. Plus, his design is super cool, and drawn by DragonBall legend Toriyama. If he'd had more games, he'd easily be around Link and Mario's level even on this site. But that's okay. Popularity is not that important. Just being able to beat a character like Mega Man is cool enough, not to mention beating Mario 2-3 times back in the day (even if only 1 was counted).
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Jakyl25
12/10/18 10:05:53 AM
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KillDozer123 posted...
Samus has always been the main protagonist in the Metroid series - every single game


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Mr Lasastryke
12/10/18 10:25:11 AM
#43:


Vlado posted...
If a secondary Zelda character can beat the biggest non-Zelda character, that's pretty severe bias.


uh, yeah. apparently a lot of people here are - like you - biased in favor of zelda and against mario. again, why are you acting like this is a bad thing?
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imthestuntman
12/10/18 10:54:01 AM
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Vlado posted...
imthestuntman posted...
I would argue crono would barely even count as a gaming icon. Like I would put him well below crash bandicoot or master chief... I mean he has a great game, but I doubt would even make a top 50 most iconic characters list. Hell I bet phoenix wright even beats him in that regard.

While Ace Attorney is among my favourite series, let's not pretend it's that relevant. Crono's game is the product of Square's absolute dream team at the time, and "the time" was the RPG golden age, Square's strongest time that they'll never come close to again. Plus, his design is super cool, and drawn by DragonBall legend Toriyama. If he'd had more games, he'd easily be around Link and Mario's level even on this site. But that's okay. Popularity is not that important. Just being able to beat a character like Mega Man is cool enough, not to mention beating Mario 2-3 times back in the day (even if only 1 was counted).

I don't know, wright has a lot of games and at the very least was a meme. A rerelease on steam in 2018 doesnt really count for much since such a huge number get them at this point.

I think it would be a lot closer than people think if you asked the typical gamer. I think a particular group of people from this site especially love chrono trigger. But honestly outside of board 8 I dont think I've ever even seen it mentioned anywhere...
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Jakyl25
12/10/18 11:06:42 AM
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I think it got a fair amount of buzz last year as the consensus biggest SNES Classic snub

But yeah, most discussion about it is couched in the category of discussion about the 16 bit era

It doesnt help that the Steam port was a mess
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LinkMarioSamus
12/10/18 1:19:31 PM
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Vlado what makes you so confident that Snake would beat Samus on "any other site"?
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Vlado
12/11/18 4:55:11 AM
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Well, Mario survived against Samus, at least. Let's see if he can beat Zelda on the rematch.
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SuperNiceDog
12/11/18 5:15:10 AM
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samus won because of porn
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LinkMarioSamus
12/11/18 5:20:55 AM
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I would ask what the flying crap you have against Samus, and to be brutally honest she's an iconic and "important" enough character that I can't fault people for calling you sexist over it, but there's enough of a wealth of female video game characters that I won't personally go that far.

But while your average person on the street probably wouldn't recognize Samus, the average person who visits gaming sites most definitely would. And I'm not even necessarily sure that *Snake* would beat Samus on *any* other site. Again, Metal Gear is dead while Metroid isn't, and I generally hear more criticism for Metal Gear games than for Metroid games. That's not to say Metal Gear is *not* popular, it obviously is, but how can you be so shocked that Samus is killing Snake? Especially since Samus and Metroid are far more this site's cup of tea than Snake and his games. If anything it's an act of mercy that Snake even did okay.

Snake is a cool character, but come on.
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Vlado
12/11/18 5:31:54 AM
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Looking at the numbers yesterday, wow, there really seems to have been stuffing/a rally for Samus. No way she jumps from 100 outsider votes more than Mario to 900 in a few days without some fuckery at play.
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