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Esrac
12/06/18 8:38:17 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Esrac posted...
Those statements aren't really contradictory

You're correct. They're not contradictory, they just out someone for the racist everyone knew they always were


Not really.

Are you suggesting if they make a movie about black characters, you can't think its overrated without being a racist?

Black Panther was a good superhero movie and deserves to be praised for that. But I don't think its unreasonable to suspect that one of the reasons it got a nomination is due to its racial demographics. Not when we consider the flak awards shows have gotten for being, shall we say, a bit too pale.
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Tyranthraxus
12/06/18 8:41:18 PM
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Esrac posted...
Are you suggesting if they make a movie about black characters, you can't think its overrated without being a racist?

No. I'm saying the sentiment that the movie is overrated because of black characters is racist.

If you want to say it's overrated, that's fine. If you want to give a reason, that's also fine. If the reason is the skin color of the actors, that's textbook definition of racism.
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A_Good_Boy
12/06/18 8:49:28 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Is a good boy just trolling? Nobody is saying the movie is bad because it primarily has a black cast. Yet, thats how hes trying to paint this picture.

There's no trolling here. Just taking note of how certain arguments and statements get made here over time. Sorta like a handful of posters love to say that sjws are a bigger threat than nazis.

Why is that, BTW?
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Esrac
12/06/18 8:58:26 PM
#106:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Esrac posted...
Are you suggesting if they make a movie about black characters, you can't think its overrated without being a racist?

No. I'm saying the sentiment that the movie is overrated because of black characters is racist.

If you want to say it's overrated, that's fine. If you want to give a reason, that's also fine. If the reason is the skin color of the actors, that's textbook definition of racism.


Most people seem to acknowledge that it was a good superhero movie. Or at least as good as most Marvel movies. Probably even one of the better ones. That is a fair appraisal, I think.

The suggestion is that progressive-minded critics are giving it excessive acclaim because they want the first big marvel superhero blockbuster starring a black hero, with a majority black cast, black director, etc. to be very well regarded. Particularly when awards programs have gotten negative attention in recent years for not being diverse enough.

It seems to me that the nitpicking isn't that the movie is bad and only getting praised because the cast is black, but that critics hesitate to knock it because they don't want to be called racist and that they would nominate it for an award to show how not racist they are. I don't think that's a racist suspicion. But I'd concede that racists would use any avenue to tear down a successful movie starring minorities that they can.
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Tyranthraxus
12/06/18 9:01:02 PM
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Esrac posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Esrac posted...
Are you suggesting if they make a movie about black characters, you can't think its overrated without being a racist?

No. I'm saying the sentiment that the movie is overrated because of black characters is racist.

If you want to say it's overrated, that's fine. If you want to give a reason, that's also fine. If the reason is the skin color of the actors, that's textbook definition of racism.


Most people seem to acknowledge that it was a good superhero movie. Or at least as good as most Marvel movies. Probably even one of the better ones. That is a fair appraisal, I think.

The suggestion is that progressive-minded critics are giving it excessive acclaim because they want the first big marvel superhero blockbuster starring a black hero, with a majority black cast, black director, etc. to be very well regarded. Particularly when awards programs have gotten negative attention in recent years for not being diverse enough.

It seems to me that the nitpicking isn't that the movie is bad and only getting praised because the cast is black, but that critics hesitate to knock it because they don't want to be called racist and that they would nominate it for an award to show how not racist they are. I don't think that's a racist suspicion. But I'd concede that racists would use any avenue to tear down a successful movie starring minorities that they can.


This is just a variant of the timeless "sjws are the real racists" argument that has never made any sense.
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A_Good_Boy
12/06/18 9:03:37 PM
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That would be a pretty believable argument if A Wrinkle in Time, another movie with a majority poc cast that came out around the same time as Black Panther, didn't get the ever loving shit kicked out of it at the box office and by critics.

One of these days you guys are just gonna have to face the facts, and the facts are that people just like the Black Panther movie.
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A_Good_Boy
12/06/18 9:04:37 PM
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Hairistotle posted...
wait do posters here really claim sjws are worse than nazis

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Ryuko_Chan
12/06/18 9:05:36 PM
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A_Good_Boy posted...
Hairistotle posted...
wait do posters here really claim sjws are worse than nazis

@Rika_Furude
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12/06/18 9:05:41 PM
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I loved Black Panther and it was one of the best MCU movies for sure.

But comic book movies don't really deserve the best picture nom. This didn't, Dark Knight didn't, Avengers 4 won't.

Truly great movies are just on another level. Moonlight was on another level than BP.
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Skye Reynolds
12/06/18 9:07:46 PM
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It's not progress I dislike. It's applied politics.

I'm glad that Hollywood is being more inclusive. I hope that we get more heroes from more underrepresented demographics. But the nom is a joke.
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RickyTheBAWSE
12/06/18 9:10:03 PM
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Esrac posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Esrac posted...
Are you suggesting if they make a movie about black characters, you can't think its overrated without being a racist?

No. I'm saying the sentiment that the movie is overrated because of black characters is racist.

If you want to say it's overrated, that's fine. If you want to give a reason, that's also fine. If the reason is the skin color of the actors, that's textbook definition of racism.


Most people seem to acknowledge that it was a good superhero movie. Or at least as good as most Marvel movies. Probably even one of the better ones. That is a fair appraisal, I think.

The suggestion is that progressive-minded critics are giving it excessive acclaim because they want the first big marvel superhero blockbuster starring a black hero, with a majority black cast, black director, etc. to be very well regarded. Particularly when awards programs have gotten negative attention in recent years for not being diverse enough.

It seems to me that the nitpicking isn't that the movie is bad and only getting praised because the cast is black, but that critics hesitate to knock it because they don't want to be called racist and that they would nominate it for an award to show how not racist they are. I don't think that's a racist suspicion. But I'd concede that racists would use any avenue to tear down a successful movie starring minorities that they can.


why are you going so far to give the benefit of the doubt to a very specific type of person? it's a pattern.

there's a specific type of personality type being discussed and you keep trying to broaden it.
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Evol
12/06/18 9:15:14 PM
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Black Panther is a marvelous film and definitely deserves the nomination. I enjoyed the hell out of that film.
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Esrac
12/06/18 9:16:37 PM
#118:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Esrac posted...
Tyranthraxus posted...
Esrac posted...
Are you suggesting if they make a movie about black characters, you can't think its overrated without being a racist?

No. I'm saying the sentiment that the movie is overrated because of black characters is racist.

If you want to say it's overrated, that's fine. If you want to give a reason, that's also fine. If the reason is the skin color of the actors, that's textbook definition of racism.


Most people seem to acknowledge that it was a good superhero movie. Or at least as good as most Marvel movies. Probably even one of the better ones. That is a fair appraisal, I think.

The suggestion is that progressive-minded critics are giving it excessive acclaim because they want the first big marvel superhero blockbuster starring a black hero, with a majority black cast, black director, etc. to be very well regarded. Particularly when awards programs have gotten negative attention in recent years for not being diverse enough.

It seems to me that the nitpicking isn't that the movie is bad and only getting praised because the cast is black, but that critics hesitate to knock it because they don't want to be called racist and that they would nominate it for an award to show how not racist they are. I don't think that's a racist suspicion. But I'd concede that racists would use any avenue to tear down a successful movie starring minorities that they can.


This is just a variant of the timeless "sjws are the real racists" argument that has never made any sense.


Not really. It's the "left leaning people are scared to be called racist, so they bend over backwards to not be called racist by taking any opportunity to show how not racist they are" argument. But maybe I'm being a little pedantic.

A_Good_Boy posted...
That would be a pretty believable argument if A Wrinkle in Time, another movie with a majority poc cast that came out around the same time as Black Panther, didn't get the ever loving shit kicked out of it at the box office and by critics.

One of these days you guys are just gonna have to face the facts, and the facts are that people just like the Black Panther movie.


I think the list of people saying Black Panther wasn't a likable movie is relatively short. I liked Black Panther. Not as much as Avengers, Thor Ragnarok, Doctor Strange, Winter Soldier, etc. but I liked it. Though in also acknowledge that, being a white guy, the movie probably isn't going to carry the same weight that it would for black viewers.

As for AWiT, you probably have a good point there. You can't polish a real turd much, even if the cast is various shades of brown. But that just seems like the flip side of them saying they aren't racist if they aren't nagging on other nominated movies with majority colored casts.

Though I don't recall AWiT being treated like a significant cultural event in the way Black Panther was.

The only retort I could imagine is that the critics wouldn't lie to say a bad movie was good, but they might embellish to say a good movie was award-winningly great.
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bulletproofvita
12/06/18 9:29:06 PM
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Kastrada
12/06/18 9:59:13 PM
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Jesus Christ people it's the fucking Golden Globes. Even though of us that follow the awards seasons realize the HFPA is full of shit.

They reward things to get big stars to come. They want A-Listers. It's a big schmooze-fest. Always has and always will be.

Black Panther was a huge success. Of course they are going to nominate it. It's not even the first comic book/super hero movie to be nominated for a Best Picture award regardless of comedy/drama. Dick Tracy got it back in the early 90's and Deadpool got it a couple of years ago too.

But stop acting like an awards show you never cared about is now some prestigious ceremony that has been held on some pedestal for years. Especially the goddamn Golden Globes.... There have been far far FAR more egregious nominations in that ceremony's history than Black Panther getting three nominations.
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Skye Reynolds
12/06/18 10:30:00 PM
#121:


Dick Tracy was nominated?

Just wow.
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IfGodCouldDie
12/06/18 11:54:19 PM
#122:


darkphoenix181 posted...
This reminds me.

Reddit had a dude claiming to be black on the front page saying bp not that good of a movie and people immediately sought to prove he was not black because apparently a black person is not allowed to think that according to those people.

That said, bp was a good movie and the films usually in these shows are bait movies so it good to see an entertaining film nominated no matter the motive.

Did they prove he wasn't black or did they just claim he was trolling afterward?
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FrisbeeDude
12/06/18 11:59:34 PM
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It seems that people who are upset about this are overwhelmingly white
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Rika_Furude
12/07/18 12:03:04 AM
#124:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Is a good boy just trolling? Nobody is saying the movie is bad because it primarily has a black cast. Yet, thats how hes trying to paint this picture.

There's no trolling here. Just taking note of how certain arguments and statements get made here over time. Sorta like a handful of posters love to say that sjws are a bigger threat than nazis.

Why is that, BTW?

Oh, youre trolling and lying. Got it.
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Rika_Furude
12/07/18 12:04:00 AM
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@Hairistotle posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Hairistotle posted...
wait do posters here really claim sjws are worse than nazis

@Rika_Furude
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oh jesus

Hes lying and you fell for it hook line and sinker. Or, youre trolling.
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Zerocide
12/07/18 12:05:34 AM
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Would it still be considered woke points if it was called white panther?
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Unknown5uspect
12/07/18 12:17:27 AM
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Zerocide posted...
Would it still be considered woke points if it was called white panther?

Maybe if it was about the White Panther Party.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Panther_Party
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Rika_Furude
12/07/18 12:21:22 AM
#129:


Hairistotle posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Hes lying and you fell for it hook line and sinker. Or, youre trolling.

so u think nazis are worse than sjws?

Yes, obviously. I dont know what sorta "gotcha" you were trying to attempt but just stop.
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AmericaTheBrave
12/07/18 12:22:51 AM
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Black Panther's portrayal of Afro-futurism is what makes it special and standout.

The costuming, set design, done in this unique manner has literally never been done before.

That's what gives more attention than the average superhero movie.

Infinity War by itself makes no sense without watching most of the past MCU films. This hurts it. And while it looks great, space is not a new setting that's been overlooked in western cinema.
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sneakysnake
12/07/18 12:33:31 AM
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Is it done to fill up the race quota?

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bulletproofvita
12/07/18 5:42:09 AM
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Dash_Harber
12/07/18 5:45:01 AM
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On one hand, it doesn't seem as serious or provocative as most entries, or an example of excellent film theory, but on the other hand, I'm not going to complain when something enjoyable and not blatant Oscar bait gets a nod. It's weird that people complain about this, but then also complain that the Oscars are full of Oscar-bait garbage in a popularity contest.
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