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DrCidd
12/06/18 12:41:28 AM
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Do you think it should be a viable legal option for all women? - Results (12 votes)
Yes
83.33% (10 votes)
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No
0% (0 votes)
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Only if it puts the mother's life at risk
16.67% (2 votes)
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I stand firm at "only if it puts the mother's life at risk.

Abortion is just a different way of saying murder.

But I'm willing for you to change my mind.

Also, if you are pro-choice. When is the cut-off point? In which case it becomes immoral or unethical to carry out the murder of an unborn child.
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LinkPizza
12/06/18 12:43:58 AM
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I voted yes. I think you can do it in the first or second trimester. I think after that, its too far along.
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Entity13
12/06/18 12:46:22 AM
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A right to choose, as long as it impacts physical or mental health, not so much spiritual or social. A right to choose and to have the proper care available within a reasonable distance, regardless of the final decision.
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Oops_All_Berrys
12/06/18 12:46:30 AM
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I think it should only be allowed when you accidently get your mistress pregnant
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LinkPizza
12/06/18 12:48:57 AM
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Oops_All_Berrys posted...
I think it should only be allowed when you accidently get your mistress pregnant

What about side hoes?
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VeeVees
12/06/18 12:50:41 AM
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100% of babies should be aborted
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Oops_All_Berrys
12/06/18 12:56:43 AM
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LinkPizza posted...
Oops_All_Berrys posted...
I think it should only be allowed when you accidently get your mistress pregnant

What about side hoes?

I don't know what that is but it sounds black so I'm against it
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LinkPizza
12/06/18 12:57:39 AM
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Oops_All_Berrys posted...
LinkPizza posted...
Oops_All_Berrys posted...
I think it should only be allowed when you accidently get your mistress pregnant

What about side hoes?

I don't know what that is but it sounds black so I'm against it

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Side+Hoe&amp=true
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xjayguyx
12/06/18 1:20:09 AM
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I don't like it but I'm pro choice on it.

The wife's little sister ( age 18 ) just got pregnant with her loser ( 27 year old ) bf. He wants her to go through with the pregnancy but my wife's whole family is asking her not to do it. Why? Because she's only 18 and it's her first bf.. lost her virginity to him and got pregnant in a few months after.

Also he's 27, no license or vehicle. No schooling. Crap minimum wage job. Doesn't have anything going for him at all.

The baby would suffer in a life of crap so I feel she shouldn't have it. But she could have it and put the baby up for adoption so iunno.

Tough call.
DrCidd
12/06/18 1:30:46 AM
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At least in the case that she puts it up for adoption she isn't committing legal murder. I would encourage that route. There are lots of baren women and sterile men who would love to have a baby but can't.
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Mead
12/06/18 1:32:08 AM
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My stance is that if someone is against abortion then they should never ever get one, and that anything else is none of their damn business
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LinkPizza
12/06/18 1:32:23 AM
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DrCidd posted...
At least in the case that she puts it up for adoption she isn't committing legal murder. I would encourage that route. There are lots of baren women and sterile men who would love to have a baby but can't.

Theres also a lot of children already up for adoption that nobody adopts...
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Keebs05
12/06/18 1:37:57 AM
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Personally, I'm against it except for those 3 extreme cases (rape, incest, life of the mother) but I'm not going to lecture a woman on the evils of it if she wants to get one and I don't think it's the government's place to tell a woman what she can or can't do with her body.
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DrCidd
12/06/18 1:39:07 AM
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Keebs05 posted...
and I don't think it's the government's place to tell a woman what she can or can't do with her body.


It's less telling her what she can do with her body, and more telling her what she CAN'T do with someone else's (her unborn child) body.
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Keebs05
12/06/18 1:42:43 AM
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DrCidd posted...
Keebs05 posted...
and I don't think it's the government's place to tell a woman what she can or can't do with her body.


It's less telling her what she can do with her body, and more telling her what she CAN'T do with someone else's (her unborn child) body.

Which is, in turn, telling her what she can or can't do with her body.
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DrCidd
12/06/18 1:54:26 AM
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Yeah, that's like saying the government is telling me what I can and can't do with my body because it says it's unlawful to use my body to cause harm to another person. (IE, me punching someone in the face for being an imbecile.)

It's an argument that holds little weight. Especially when the life of another person is in question.
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VeeVees
12/06/18 1:56:33 AM
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"person"
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DrCidd
12/06/18 2:01:19 AM
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Yes, it becomes a person (potential for sentience) at the moment of conception. It has unique DNA, and will eventually grow into a full fledged human being if left to follow the natural order of life. So person is very accurate.

People only call it a "cluster of cells" to make themselves feel better about murdering it. If you don't consider it a life (even if science says it is) how can you feel bad for removing it?
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StoneRevolver
12/06/18 2:06:18 AM
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I believe it is morally wrong. However, the law should have no say. If you understand and can live with the consequences of your actions so be it.
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VeeVees
12/06/18 2:15:04 AM
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DrCidd posted...
Yes, it becomes a person (potential for sentience) at the moment of conception. It has unique DNA, and will eventually grow into a full fledged human being if left to follow the natural order of life. So person is very accurate.

People only call it a "cluster of cells" to make themselves feel better about murdering it. If you don't consider it a life (even if science says it is) how can you feel bad for removing it?


Potential for sentient is not sentient. Will be a person does not make it a person. So no, person is not accurate.

Lives are not equal. A fetus is less than a person. I don't feel bad for aborted fetuses just like I don't feel bad for crushed bugs.
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DrCidd
12/06/18 2:15:44 AM
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StoneRevolver posted...
I believe it is morally wrong. However, the law should have no say. If you understand and can live with the consequences of your actions so be it.


So should the law have a say in me murdering one of my peers because their existence inconveniences me? I can understand and live with the personal consequences that I killed them.
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Keebs05
12/06/18 2:16:23 AM
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DrCidd posted...
Yeah, that's like saying the government is telling me what I can and can't do with my body because it says it's unlawful to use my body to cause harm to another person. (IE, me punching someone in the face for being an imbecile.)

It's an argument that holds little weight. Especially when the life of another person is in question.

Considering that the alternative is the government forcing a woman to unwillingly go through a potentially traumatic medical procedure, I'd say it's a rather just argument.
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DrCidd
12/06/18 2:17:14 AM
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VeeVees posted...
Potential for sentient is not sentient. Will be a person does not make it a person. So no, person is not accurate.

Lives are not equal. A fetus is less than a person. I don't feel bad for aborted fetuses just like I don't feel bad for crushed bugs.


So if you were in a coma from which you may or may not recover from, would it be okay to stab you to death?

I mean, at that point you only have the potential for sentience. Not actual sentience. Making you not a person.
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VeeVees
12/06/18 2:22:00 AM
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DrCidd posted...
VeeVees posted...
Potential for sentient is not sentient. Will be a person does not make it a person. So no, person is not accurate.

Lives are not equal. A fetus is less than a person. I don't feel bad for aborted fetuses just like I don't feel bad for crushed bugs.


So if you were in a coma from which you may or may not recover from, would it be okay to stab you to death?

I mean, at that point you only have the potential for sentience. Not actual sentience. Making you not a person.

What a stupid analogy. I am already sentient and have been for a long time. A fetus has never been sentient.

But if you want to go with that shit analogy then yes, it's okay for family to pull the plug on me.
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StoneRevolver
12/06/18 2:32:35 AM
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DrCidd posted...
StoneRevolver posted...
I believe it is morally wrong. However, the law should have no say. If you understand and can live with the consequences of your actions so be it.


So should the law have a say in me murdering one of my peers because their existence inconveniences me? I can understand and live with the personal consequences that I killed them.

It's not the same thing. What I said still applies though. If you kill someone you know what happens.
If you choose to do it anyway and understand you'll spend the rest of your life in prison, that's your choice. You make decisions every day, some just have more consequences than others.
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gguirao
12/06/18 2:34:06 AM
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No. All babies deserve a chance at life.
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VeeVees
12/06/18 2:40:46 AM
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gguirao posted...
No. All babies deserve a chance at life.

No one "deserves" anything by default.
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robrobd
12/06/18 2:52:31 AM
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DrCidd posted...
But I'm willing for you to change my mind.

Reading your responses, I highly doubt this. If it is true, you would do much better to actually try to engage with and understand the opposite stance, rather than projecting opinions onto everyone who disagrees by using ridiculous analogies.

Or you can stick to the analogies. They're a good laugh if nothing else.
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DrCidd
12/06/18 3:01:57 AM
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If you can come up with a good argument that isn't based on emotions or opinions maybe I will consider it.

"They aren't sentient, therefore are undeserving" or "It's the woman's body, it's her choice" are not valid arguments. Purely opinionated garbage.
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VeeVees
12/06/18 3:08:10 AM
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lmfao
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ClarkDuke
12/06/18 3:10:18 AM
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The world would be a better place if it was an affordable option for every woman, ok?
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InhumaneRaider
12/06/18 3:17:50 AM
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Yes. I say this out of respect for Woman's bodily rights (meaning, fuck off, you shouldn't be able to tell anyone what to do with their body)

And yes, this is going to be contradictory, population control needs to be a thing.
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GreenKnight127
12/06/18 3:18:43 AM
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What's more important? The QUALITY of life....or the QUANTITY?

In my opinion....more pregnancies should be terminated. Because most humans are idiots.

I know that sounds heartless, but why should a child be shoved into this world by the lust of two irresponsible parents who genuinely didn't want the child in the first place and will most likely cheat on each other or separate within a few months/years anyway? It's a recipe for criminality. And neglect. And abuse. And depression. Bad parenting. Bad kids. Vicious cycle.

Broken homes caused by broken people. And a poor innocent kid thrown into the mix because those two broken people decided to fuck.

And you think that kid will be better off by being forced to be born and then just get magically adopted by some educated wealthy family? HA! You've been watching too many movies.

Many studies have shown that orphans grow up just as messed up, if not worse. Why should that kid be forced to be born and put up for adoption and be raised by two genetic strangers? Not a lot of people like to say this out loud, but when a kid is not genetically yours....you love it less. Maybe on a subconscious level, but it's still there. When kids get adopted, they don't stay with that first family forever. They tend to bounce around to different families for a good chunk of their youth. No stability. No consistency. No love. And it breeds criminality.

Besides, people shouldn't be raising other people's kids. People should be raising their own kids. Or not having them in the first place.

And we all know people aren't going to magically stop having sex anytime soon.

So if birth control won't do it, abortion will.

Quality of life. Not quantity.

Imagine for a moment....if all across the planet.....starting tomorrow....the ONLY children that were born.....were from educated and loving couples who genuinely wanted the kid and planned for it?

The world would be a utopia.

Sadly, the people who tend to have the MOST kids....are the ones who are the LEAST educated, the most selfish....and certainly didn't "plan" on having kid (assuming they wanted one at all).

Those kids would have been better off aborted.
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Mead
12/06/18 3:21:26 AM
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DrCidd posted...
If you can come up with a good argument that isn't based on emotions or opinions maybe I will consider it.

"They aren't sentient, therefore are undeserving" or "It's the woman's body, it's her choice" are not valid arguments. Purely opinionated garbage.


Access you legal aboration is directly correlated to lower crime rates and less poverty.

Abortion also happens regularly in the natural world among most species. You cant tell a pregnant woman with no means to support her child that she has to just deal with it and realistically expect most people in that situation along with the child to amount to anything other than the lowest common denominators of society that have to leech off of government assistance programs or turn to crime to survive.
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DrCidd
12/06/18 3:25:33 AM
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InhumaneRaider posted...
Yes. I say this out of respect for Woman's bodily rights (meaning, fuck off, you shouldn't be able to tell anyone what to do with their body)

And yes, this is going to be contradictory, population control needs to be a thing.


Birth control and contraceptives are a thing.
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InhumaneRaider
12/06/18 3:25:40 AM
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Mead posted...
DrCidd posted...
If you can come up with a good argument that isn't based on emotions or opinions maybe I will consider it.

"They aren't sentient, therefore are undeserving" or "It's the woman's body, it's her choice" are not valid arguments. Purely opinionated garbage.


Access you legal aboration is directly correlated to lower crime rates and less poverty.

Abortion also happens regularly in the natural world among most species. You cant tell a pregnant woman with no means to support her child that she has to just deal with it and realistically expect most people in that situation along with the child to amount to anything other than the lowest common denominators of society that have to leech off of government assistance programs or turn to crime to survive.

Thank you!

Conservatives and Republicans only care about lives until they're born.
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Keebs05
12/06/18 3:28:06 AM
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DrCidd posted...
If you can come up with a good argument that isn't based on emotions or opinions maybe I will consider it.

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robrobd
12/06/18 3:33:31 AM
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DrCidd posted...
If you can come up with a good argument that isn't based on emotions or opinions maybe I will consider it.

"They aren't sentient, therefore are undeserving" or "It's the woman's body, it's her choice" are not valid arguments. Purely opinionated garbage.

Abortion raises ethical and philosophical issues to which there is no "right" answer. Whatever stance you take is inherently going to be at least somewhat opinionated, and having different opinions is okay.

My point is rather that it's disingenuous for you to claim to be looking for open discussion when your approach is screaming you're as close-minded as can be (see this exact post). No one's going to change your mind, so why bother?
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ClarkDuke
12/06/18 3:45:46 AM
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robrobd posted...
DrCidd posted...
If you can come up with a good argument that isn't based on emotions or opinions maybe I will consider it.

"They aren't sentient, therefore are undeserving" or "It's the woman's body, it's her choice" are not valid arguments. Purely opinionated garbage.

Abortion raises ethical and philosophical issues to which there is no "right" answer. Whatever stance you take is inherently going to be at least somewhat opinionated, and having different opinions is okay.

My point is rather that it's disingenuous for you to claim to be looking for open discussion when your approach is screaming you're as close-minded as can be (see this exact post). No one's going to change your mind, so why bother?

By being disingenuous, he gets to climax, ok?
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Kungfu Kenobi
12/06/18 4:12:48 AM
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I am pro-abortion, I am not technically pro-choice: abortion should be mandatory if a fetus tests positive for certain highly heritable conditions. The cut-off point for voluntary abortion should be 21 months from conception.
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Zangulus
12/06/18 4:35:08 AM
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Kungfu Kenobi posted...
The cut-off point for voluntary abortion should be 21 months from conception.
Kungfu Kenobi posted...
point for voluntary abortion should be 21 months from
Kungfu Kenobi posted...
abortion should be 21 months
Kungfu Kenobi posted...
21 months

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InhumaneRaider
12/06/18 4:37:21 AM
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Zangulus posted...
Kungfu Kenobi posted...
The cut-off point for voluntary abortion should be 21 months from conception.
Kungfu Kenobi posted...
point for voluntary abortion should be 21 months from
Kungfu Kenobi posted...
abortion should be 21 months
Kungfu Kenobi posted...
21 months

LMAO, I'm fucking dead. I was reading that and I knew something seemed off.

@Kungfu_Kenobi
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wwinterj25
12/06/18 5:32:08 AM
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Her body, her choice. I don't agree with using abortions as a form of birth control but still if the gal doesn't want it then she should have every right to get shut of it. Even more so if said "baby" is conceived through rape.
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ParanoidObsessive
12/06/18 5:39:40 AM
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This deep into the topic, and no one's mentioned or posted this yet? For shame!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIgSTjzrmRg" data-time="




InhumaneRaider posted...
Zangulus posted...
Kungfu Kenobi posted...
The cut-off point for voluntary abortion should be 21 months from conception.
Kungfu Kenobi posted...
point for voluntary abortion should be 21 months from
Kungfu Kenobi posted...
abortion should be 21 months
Kungfu Kenobi posted...
21 months

LMAO, I'm fucking dead. I was reading that and I knew something seemed off.

@Kungfu_Kenobi

There's nothing wrong with that. It's similar to my own stance that abortion should be legal up to the 47th trimester.


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Darth_CiD
12/06/18 6:09:15 AM
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I'm against giving women a choice, but for killing babies.
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CacciatoPart3
12/06/18 7:56:07 AM
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I support it for up to 18 years past conception.
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mooreandrew58
12/06/18 8:54:51 AM
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I'm for it. 2 reasons. World is over populated and 2, I'm a man so it really doesn't affect me.
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mooreandrew58
12/06/18 8:56:29 AM
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CacciatoPart3 posted...
I support it for up to 18 years past conception.


I have a friend that has that same idea.
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ASlaveObeys
12/06/18 9:14:14 AM
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DrCidd posted...
Yeah, that's like saying the government is telling me what I can and can't do with my body because it says it's unlawful to use my body to cause harm to another person. (IE, me punching someone in the face for being an imbecile.)

It's an argument that holds little weight. Especially when the life of another person is in question.

Did you just watch that change my mind about abortion, because you're just mimicking his arguments.
Your comparison is ludicrous and wrong. Even if you believe a fetus is a human and life starts at the point of conception you have to account for the fact that legal abortions directly correlate with lower crime and poverty rates. Then there is quality of life for the child after it's born. The foster system is notoriously horrid and abuse runs rampant. People will start using other means to abort the fetus which will be, by your standards murder. More crime, more violence and more potential life lost.

And saying something being sentient is a qualification for life isn't a valid argument is hypocritical, because you're only argument that life starts at conception is that the fetus will eventually become sentient.
Long story short don't try to steal someone else argument if you can't argue it as well as they did. Also keep in mind that he goes into a crowd after preparing for weeks on a topic and asks people with no prep time to debate with him, then passively aggressively says they're wrong because he is right.
Noop_Noop
12/06/18 9:24:25 AM
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VeeVees posted...
"person"


There was a time in history when we justified the cruel treatment of a certain other group of people by deciding that they were less than human too.
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