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s0nicfan 12/09/18 12:40:48 AM #101:	Anti-245 posted... Marx used communist and socialist interchangeably in his day. Contemporary socialists and communists do not. Like I said, every communist is not a Marxist. And have you actually read the manifesto? Because most of the things he proposes most nations have anyway and they're certainly not communist or even socialist(which is how he used it). So people should exercise a nuanced understanding of the use of the word communism when relating to Marx, but any use of "Cultural Marxism" is: Anti-245 posted... It's a continuation of Nazi propaganda. Without consideration for any modern use or interpretation of the phrase. --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:913803970] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anti-245 posted...</cite> <quote>Marx used communist and socialist interchangeably in his day. Contemporary socialists and communists do not. Like I said, every communist is not a Marxist. And have you actually read the manifesto? Because most of the things he proposes most nations have anyway and they're certainly not communist or even socialist(which is how he used it).</quote> So people should exercise a nuanced understanding of the use of the word communism when relating to Marx, but any use of "Cultural Marxism" is: <cite>Anti-245 posted...</cite> <quote>It's a continuation of Nazi propaganda.</quote> Without consideration for any modern use or interpretation of the phrase.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheMikh 12/09/18 12:55:42 AM #102:	Exactly, so why are we talking about communism again? You claimed "SJWs" (Conflict Theory -> Culture) and "Communists" (Conflict Theory -> Economics) are at odds with each other, insinuating that as such, they're not both derivatives of Marxist thought. The manifesto gives answer to several questions some of which are extremely detailed. The demands of the communist party of Germany are listed near the end and as I said most nations already have them, which they would considering that times have changed. If they are not intrinsically communist (not sure what this means) then the term "communist" is irrelevant. People want the same basic things. Different ideological systems promise the same basic things as ends, but realized through different means. To go off on a tangent and offer an illustration, Capitalists and Communists both wish to applaud when their respective heads of state make an appearance, and then to stop applauding at some point. The length of the applause varies dramatically, from a matter of seconds to several hours, and the consequences for the first person to stop applauding are also quite different. Just because the applauding inevitably comes to an end doesn't mean the systems are the same, or that the differences are irrelevant. --- https://imgur.com/A0TAfek <cite>TheMikh posted [p:913804554] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><quote>Exactly, so why are we talking about communism again?</quote> You claimed "SJWs" (Conflict Theory -> Culture) and "Communists" (Conflict Theory -> Economics) are at odds with each other, insinuating that as such, they're not both derivatives of Marxist thought. <quote>The manifesto gives answer to several questions some of which are extremely detailed. The demands of the communist party of Germany are listed near the end and as I said most nations already have them, which they would considering that times have changed. If they are not intrinsically communist (not sure what this means) then the term "communist" is irrelevant.</quote> People want the same basic things. Different ideological systems promise the same basic things as ends, but realized through different means. To go off on a tangent and offer an illustration, Capitalists and Communists both wish to applaud when their respective heads of state make an appearance, and then to stop applauding at some point. The length of the applause varies dramatically, from a matter of seconds to several hours, and the consequences for the first person to stop applauding are also quite different. Just because the applauding inevitably comes to an end doesn't mean the systems are the same, or that the differences are irrelevant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 12/09/18 1:46:21 AM #103:	TheMikh posted... Exactly, so why are we talking about communism again? You claimed "SJWs" (Conflict Theory -> Culture) and "Communists" (Conflict Theory -> Economics) are at odds with each other, insinuating that as such, they're not both derivatives of Marxist thought. The manifesto gives answer to several questions some of which are extremely detailed. The demands of the communist party of Germany are listed near the end and as I said most nations already have them, which they would considering that times have changed. If they are not intrinsically communist (not sure what this means) then the term "communist" is irrelevant. People want the same basic things. Different ideological systems promise the same basic things as ends, but realized through different means. To go off on a tangent and offer an illustration, Capitalists and Communists both wish to applaud when their respective heads of state make an appearance, and then to stop applauding at some point. The length of the applause varies dramatically, from a matter of seconds to several hours, and the consequences for the first person to stop applauding are also quite different. Just because the applauding inevitably comes to an end doesn't mean the systems are the same, or that the differences are irrelevant. I appreciate you responding to his posts in a thoughtful manner but remember we are on gfaqs. The poster doesnt care about discussion clearly. Peterson bad white man <cite>Romes187 posted [p:913806556] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheMikh posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Exactly, so why are we talking about communism again?</quote> You claimed "SJWs" (Conflict Theory -> Culture) and "Communists" (Conflict Theory -> Economics) are at odds with each other, insinuating that as such, they're not both derivatives of Marxist thought. <quote>The manifesto gives answer to several questions some of which are extremely detailed. The demands of the communist party of Germany are listed near the end and as I said most nations already have them, which they would considering that times have changed. If they are not intrinsically communist (not sure what this means) then the term "communist" is irrelevant.</quote> People want the same basic things. Different ideological systems promise the same basic things as ends, but realized through different means. To go off on a tangent and offer an illustration, Capitalists and Communists both wish to applaud when their respective heads of state make an appearance, and then to stop applauding at some point. The length of the applause varies dramatically, from a matter of seconds to several hours, and the consequences for the first person to stop applauding are also quite different. Just because the applauding inevitably comes to an end doesn't mean the systems are the same, or that the differences are irrelevant.</quote> I appreciate you responding to his posts in a thoughtful manner but remember we are on gfaqs. The poster doesnt care about discussion clearly. Peterson bad white man</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anti-245 12/09/18 4:13:01 AM #104:	TheMikh posted... Exactly, so why are we talking about communism again? You claimed "SJWs" (Conflict Theory -> Culture) and "Communists" (Conflict Theory -> Economics) are at odds with each other, insinuating that as such, they're not both derivatives of Marxist thought. The manifesto gives answer to several questions some of which are extremely detailed. The demands of the communist party of Germany are listed near the end and as I said most nations already have them, which they would considering that times have changed. If they are not intrinsically communist (not sure what this means) then the term "communist" is irrelevant. People want the same basic things. Different ideological systems promise the same basic things as ends, but realized through different means. To go off on a tangent and offer an illustration, Capitalists and Communists both wish to applaud when their respective heads of state make an appearance, and then to stop applauding at some point. The length of the applause varies dramatically, from a matter of seconds to several hours, and the consequences for the first person to stop applauding are also quite different. Just because the applauding inevitably comes to an end doesn't mean the systems are the same, or that the differences are irrelevant. I believe we need to differentiate a few things. First, Peterson usually speaks of identity politics, which generally has its basis in liberal idealism, and fuses it with talk about Marxism(usually referencing Marxist lennism or Maoism) in his presentations. You seem to believe that sjws operate from the same basis as certain communists, which is conflict theory, am I correct? Are you talking about peterson's description of these people or your experience with these people? --- Life in the DoB. <cite>Anti-245 posted [p:913810346] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><cite>TheMikh posted...</cite> <quote><quote>Exactly, so why are we talking about communism again?</quote> You claimed "SJWs" (Conflict Theory -> Culture) and "Communists" (Conflict Theory -> Economics) are at odds with each other, insinuating that as such, they're not both derivatives of Marxist thought. <quote>The manifesto gives answer to several questions some of which are extremely detailed. The demands of the communist party of Germany are listed near the end and as I said most nations already have them, which they would considering that times have changed. If they are not intrinsically communist (not sure what this means) then the term "communist" is irrelevant.</quote> People want the same basic things. Different ideological systems promise the same basic things as ends, but realized through different means. To go off on a tangent and offer an illustration, Capitalists and Communists both wish to applaud when their respective heads of state make an appearance, and then to stop applauding at some point. The length of the applause varies dramatically, from a matter of seconds to several hours, and the consequences for the first person to stop applauding are also quite different. Just because the applauding inevitably comes to an end doesn't mean the systems are the same, or that the differences are irrelevant.</quote> I believe we need to differentiate a few things. First, Peterson usually speaks of identity politics, which generally has its basis in liberal idealism, and fuses it with talk about Marxism(usually referencing Marxist lennism or Maoism) in his presentations. You seem to believe that sjws operate from the same basis as certain communists, which is conflict theory, am I correct? Are you talking about peterson's description of these people or your experience with these people?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hollow_shrine 12/09/18 7:10:23 PM #105:	Peterson's latest endeavor, going to Twitter for a list of personalities who have been deplatformed. You can't say he's not aware of his audience. He clearly knows exactly who they are. And he's presumably fine with that. --- Ignorance is a choice https://imgtc.com/i/7UnK3hx.jpg <cite>hollow_shrine posted [p:913845409] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote>Peterson's latest endeavor, going to Twitter for a list of personalities who have been deplatformed. You can't say he's not aware of his audience. He clearly knows exactly who they are. And he's presumably fine with that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 12/09/18 7:12:52 PM #106:	hollow_shrine posted... You can't say he's not aware of his audience. He clearly knows exactly who they are. And he's presumably fine with that. Tell me, who is Peterson's audience? --- [This signature was deleted at the request of a moderator or administrator] <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:913845588] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote>You can't say he's not aware of his audience. He clearly knows exactly who they are. And he's presumably fine with that. </quote> Tell me, who is Peterson's audience?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Dream87 12/09/18 7:15:37 PM #107:	hollow_shrine posted... Peterson's latest endeavor, going to Twitter for a list of personalities who have been deplatformed. You can't say he's not aware of his audience. He clearly knows exactly who they are. And he's presumably fine with that. Yeah sure, right and left. Has he ever covered any leftist losing their "free speech" platform? --- <cite>Blue_Dream87 posted [p:913845787] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><cite>hollow_shrine posted...</cite> <quote>Peterson's latest endeavor, going to Twitter for a list of personalities who have been deplatformed. You can't say he's not aware of his audience. He clearly knows exactly who they are. And he's presumably fine with that.</quote> Yeah sure, right and left. Has he ever covered any leftist losing their "free speech" platform?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anti-245 12/09/18 7:20:23 PM #108:	I've never understood the obsession with Milo yiannopoulus. --- Life in the DoB. <cite>Anti-245 posted [p:913846102] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote>I've never understood the obsession with Milo yiannopoulus.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hop103 12/09/18 7:32:55 PM #109:	Anti-245 posted... I've never understood the obsession with Milo yiannopoulus. He's a provocateur, the problem is that he tried to be a profiteer and it ruined him rather quickly. Unless, you are a centrist, you need to have appeal along your party lines to be a successful profiteer. --- "In the name of the future moon I shall punish you"-Chibi Moon <cite>Hop103 posted [p:913846889] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anti-245 posted...</cite> <quote>I've never understood the obsession with Milo yiannopoulus.</quote> He's a provocateur, the problem is that he tried to be a profiteer and it ruined him rather quickly. Unless, you are a centrist, you need to have appeal along your party lines to be a successful profiteer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anti-245 12/09/18 7:36:52 PM #110:	Hop103 posted... Anti-245 posted... I've never understood the obsession with Milo yiannopoulus. He's a provocateur, the problem is that he tried to be a profiteer and it ruined him rather quickly. Unless, you are a centrist, you need to have appeal along your party lines to be a successful profiteer. Yeah, but Milo said that nasty stuff years before it got to him. I think something else occurred. --- Life in the DoB. <cite>Anti-245 posted [p:913847196] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><cite>Hop103 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anti-245 posted...</cite> <quote>I've never understood the obsession with Milo yiannopoulus.</quote> He's a provocateur, the problem is that he tried to be a profiteer and it ruined him rather quickly. Unless, you are a centrist, you need to have appeal along your party lines to be a successful profiteer.</quote> Yeah, but Milo said that nasty stuff years before it got to him. I think something else occurred.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 12/09/18 7:38:07 PM #111:	Blue_Dream87 posted... Has he ever covered any leftist losing their "free speech" platform? I'm guessing he has no comment on Marc Lamont Hill --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:913847275] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blue_Dream87 posted...</cite> <quote>Has he ever covered any leftist losing their "free speech" platform?</quote> I'm guessing he has no comment on Marc Lamont Hill</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 12/09/18 7:46:35 PM #112:	Blue_Dream87 posted... Yeah sure, right and left. Has he ever covered any leftist losing their "free speech" platform? What high profile leftists have been deplatformed? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:913847777] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blue_Dream87 posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah sure, right and left. Has he ever covered any leftist losing their "free speech" platform?</quote> What high profile leftists have been deplatformed?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anti-245 12/09/18 7:48:09 PM #113:	s0nicfan posted... Blue_Dream87 posted... Yeah sure, right and left. Has he ever covered any leftist losing their "free speech" platform? What high profile leftists have been deplatformed? Depends on who you call leftist, but some would probably say Marc Hill who got fired from CNN. --- Life in the DoB. <cite>Anti-245 posted [p:913847876] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Blue_Dream87 posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah sure, right and left. Has he ever covered any leftist losing their "free speech" platform?</quote> What high profile leftists have been deplatformed?</quote> Depends on who you call leftist, but some would probably say Marc Hill who got fired from CNN.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SixStringHero 12/09/18 8:04:37 PM #114:	I have never heard either Shapiro or Peterson claim they hate Jewish people or advocate for a white ethno state in which the government would be solely responsible in taking care of them via socialist type policies. So no, they are not alt-right. People completely misuse the term and try to equate it with conservatives, centrists or anyone who is not a leftist these days, and they and come off looking like idiots while doing so. <cite>SixStringHero posted [p:913848876] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote>I have never heard either Shapiro or Peterson claim they hate Jewish people or advocate for a white ethno state in which the government would be solely responsible in taking care of them via socialist type policies. So no, they are not alt-right. People completely misuse the term and try to equate it with conservatives, centrists or anyone who is not a leftist these days, and they and come off looking like idiots while doing so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dash_Harber 12/09/18 10:39:25 PM #115:	Anti-245 posted... I've never understood the obsession with Milo yiannopoulus. He purposely says controversial things to get publicity, then feigns outrage when people get offended. His whole shtick is manufacturing obsession by being a horrible person and acting like he's so confused why everyone is calling him horrible. Anyway, this 'de-platforming' thing is ridiculous, especially coming from people who also believe in 100% free enterprise. Apparently, provocateurs should have carte blanche to say what they want, but publishing platforms are not supposed to have the freedom to choose who their clientele is. <cite>Dash_Harber posted [p:913856695] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anti-245 posted...</cite> <quote>I've never understood the obsession with Milo yiannopoulus.</quote> He purposely says controversial things to get publicity, then feigns outrage when people get offended. His whole shtick is manufacturing obsession by being a horrible person and acting like he's so confused why everyone is calling him horrible. Anyway, this 'de-platforming' thing is ridiculous, especially coming from people who also believe in 100% free enterprise. Apparently, provocateurs should have carte blanche to say what they want, but publishing platforms are not supposed to have the freedom to choose who their clientele is.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/09/18 10:59:03 PM #116:	SixStringHero posted... People completely misuse the term and try to equate it with conservatives, centrists or anyone who is not a leftist these days, and they and come off looking like idiots while doing so. that's because conservative ideas are very close to alt-right ideas, and centrist ideas revolve around not realizing how entrenched they are in their own ideology --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:913857666] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><cite>SixStringHero posted...</cite> <quote>People completely misuse the term and try to equate it with conservatives, centrists or anyone who is not a leftist these days, and they and come off looking like idiots while doing so.</quote> that's because conservative ideas are very close to alt-right ideas, and centrist ideas revolve around not realizing how entrenched they are in their own ideology</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SixStringHero 12/10/18 12:41:09 AM #117:	averagejoel posted... SixStringHero posted... People completely misuse the term and try to equate it with conservatives, centrists or anyone who is not a leftist these days, and they and come off looking like idiots while doing so. that's because conservative ideas are very close to alt-right ideas, and centrist ideas revolve around not realizing how entrenched they are in their own ideology No they're not. Most conservatives, including the president are openly pro Israel. That alone is antithetical to the alt-right. Centrists just sit back and laugh at the absurd tribalism. <cite>SixStringHero posted [p:913862248] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SixStringHero posted...</cite> <quote>People completely misuse the term and try to equate it with conservatives, centrists or anyone who is not a leftist these days, and they and come off looking like idiots while doing so.</quote> that's because conservative ideas are very close to alt-right ideas, and centrist ideas revolve around not realizing how entrenched they are in their own ideology</quote> No they're not. Most conservatives, including the president are openly pro Israel. That alone is antithetical to the alt-right. Centrists just sit back and laugh at the absurd tribalism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LethalAffinity 12/10/18 12:42:24 AM #118:	They're not alt-right at all. They've never espoused "race realism" ideals. They just hate what the left has become. --- https://imgur.com/Sv19SP4 https://imgur.com/esZpDkI https://imgur.com/tdtzIvW https://imgur.com/E0O1koZ <cite>LethalAffinity posted [p:913862287] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote>They're not alt-right at all. They've never espoused "race realism" ideals. They just hate what the left has become.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/10/18 12:50:27 AM #119:	SixStringHero posted... averagejoel posted... SixStringHero posted... People completely misuse the term and try to equate it with conservatives, centrists or anyone who is not a leftist these days, and they and come off looking like idiots while doing so. that's because conservative ideas are very close to alt-right ideas, and centrist ideas revolve around not realizing how entrenched they are in their own ideology No they're not. Most conservatives, including the president are openly pro Israel. That alone is antithetical to the alt-right. Centrists just sit back and laugh at the absurd tribalism. supporting Israel is not antithetical to the alt-right if viewed through a lens of class analysis. Israel is an apartheid ethnostate, and its government is fascist. richard spencer has called himself a White Zionist, and is openly supportive of their nation state law https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/1020647641074618368 --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:913862586] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><cite>SixStringHero posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SixStringHero posted...</cite> <quote>People completely misuse the term and try to equate it with conservatives, centrists or anyone who is not a leftist these days, and they and come off looking like idiots while doing so.</quote> that's because conservative ideas are very close to alt-right ideas, and centrist ideas revolve around not realizing how entrenched they are in their own ideology</quote> No they're not. Most conservatives, including the president are openly pro Israel. That alone is antithetical to the alt-right. Centrists just sit back and laugh at the absurd tribalism.</quote> supporting Israel is not antithetical to the alt-right if viewed through a lens of class analysis. Israel is an apartheid ethnostate, and its government is fascist. richard spencer has called himself a White Zionist, and is openly supportive of their nation state law https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/1020647641074618368</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ledbowman 12/10/18 1:02:57 AM #120:	I don't know much about Jordan Peterson but Shapiro is about as much an awful right wing shit head as you can be without officially calling yourself alt right. Literally wrote for Breitbart. --- I wish we all waved <cite>ledbowman posted [p:913863047] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote>I don't know much about Jordan Peterson but Shapiro is about as much an awful right wing shit head as you can be without officially calling yourself alt right. Literally wrote for Breitbart.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 12/10/18 11:26:00 AM #121:	SixStringHero posted... Most conservatives, including the president are openly pro Israel. That alone is antithetical to the alt-right. Richard Spencer, who coined the term alt-right, is pro-Israel. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:913880130] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><cite>SixStringHero posted...</cite> <quote>Most conservatives, including the president are openly pro Israel. That alone is antithetical to the alt-right. </quote> Richard Spencer, who coined the term alt-right, is pro-Israel.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 12/10/18 11:39:13 AM #122:	Anti-245 posted... s0nicfan posted... Blue_Dream87 posted... Yeah sure, right and left. Has he ever covered any leftist losing their "free speech" platform? What high profile leftists have been deplatformed? Depends on who you call leftist, but some would probably say Marc Hill who got fired from CNN. Being fired isn't the same as being deplatformed. Let's see how many violent student protests form at his speaking engagements. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:913880829] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anti-245 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Blue_Dream87 posted...</cite> <quote>Yeah sure, right and left. Has he ever covered any leftist losing their "free speech" platform?</quote> What high profile leftists have been deplatformed?</quote> Depends on who you call leftist, but some would probably say Marc Hill who got fired from CNN.</quote> Being fired isn't the same as being deplatformed. Let's see how many violent student protests form at his speaking engagements.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 12/10/18 11:40:02 AM #123:	Anti-245 posted... darkjedilink posted... Anti-245 posted... Nothing in particular makes them alt right movement but their views could be counted(I do count them) as white supremacist since they have an obsession with protecting "the west" and whatever that entails on a given day. Sometimes they'll backtrack on things they said they like if it means protecting "the west"( see their hypocrisy on "free speech"). They are also staunch liberals in that they believe in private property, wage labor and all the works. When Liberialism breaks down, they, as most liberals do, flirt with fascism to protect it. What 'hypocrisy on free speech?' Peterson was known for suggesting that Marxists wouldn't debate but once challenged by an actual Marxist, he decided in advance that it wasn't worth it because of how toxic the ideology was, which is the very same thing that he rails on his liberal counterparts for doing about fascism. That has nothing to do with free speech though. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:913880874] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anti-245 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Anti-245 posted...</cite> <quote>Nothing in particular makes them alt right movement but their views could be counted(I do count them) as white supremacist since they have an obsession with protecting "the west" and whatever that entails on a given day. Sometimes they'll backtrack on things they said they like if it means protecting "the west"( see their hypocrisy on "free speech"). They are also staunch liberals in that they believe in private property, wage labor and all the works. When Liberialism breaks down, they, as most liberals do, flirt with fascism to protect it.</quote> What 'hypocrisy on free speech?'</quote> Peterson was known for suggesting that Marxists wouldn't debate but once challenged by an actual Marxist, he decided in advance that it wasn't worth it because of how toxic the ideology was, which is the very same thing that he rails on his liberal counterparts for doing about fascism.</quote> That has nothing to do with free speech though.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 12/10/18 12:05:03 PM #124:	darkjedilink posted... Being fired isn't the same as being deplatformed. You have no issue with the silencing of political opinions, then. You'd just prefer it come from above than below. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:913882224] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkjedilink posted...</cite> <quote>Being fired isn't the same as being deplatformed. </quote> You have no issue with the silencing of political opinions, then. You'd just prefer it come from above than below.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Samurontai 12/10/18 12:28:28 PM #125:	I just came here to lol at whoever said Shapiro was good at debating --- https://imgur.com/Scl5rwX https://imgur.com/Fjgt7Qq https://imgur.com/NidhAni https://imgur.com/IGIbQPk <cite>Samurontai posted [p:913883489] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote>I just came here to lol at whoever said Shapiro was good at debating</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Dream87 12/10/18 12:55:15 PM #126:	Samurontai posted... I just came here to lol at whoever said Shapiro was good at debating I haven't really sat down to listen to him Gish gallop, any vids to laugh at? --- <cite>Blue_Dream87 posted [p:913884953] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><cite>Samurontai posted...</cite> <quote>I just came here to lol at whoever said Shapiro was good at debating</quote> I haven't really sat down to listen to him Gish gallop, any vids to laugh at?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Romes187 12/10/18 12:58:41 PM #127:	averagejoel posted... SixStringHero posted... averagejoel posted... SixStringHero posted... People completely misuse the term and try to equate it with conservatives, centrists or anyone who is not a leftist these days, and they and come off looking like idiots while doing so. that's because conservative ideas are very close to alt-right ideas, and centrist ideas revolve around not realizing how entrenched they are in their own ideology No they're not. Most conservatives, including the president are openly pro Israel. That alone is antithetical to the alt-right. Centrists just sit back and laugh at the absurd tribalism. supporting Israel is not antithetical to the alt-right if viewed through a lens of class analysis. Israel is an apartheid ethnostate, and its government is fascist. richard spencer has called himself a White Zionist, and is openly supportive of their nation state law https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/1020647641074618368 LOL "a lens of class analysis" xfd just plain garbage thinking that unfortunately has too many idiot academics peddling it <cite>Romes187 posted [p:913885141] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SixStringHero posted...</cite> <quote><cite>averagejoel posted...</cite> <quote><cite>SixStringHero posted...</cite> <quote>People completely misuse the term and try to equate it with conservatives, centrists or anyone who is not a leftist these days, and they and come off looking like idiots while doing so.</quote> that's because conservative ideas are very close to alt-right ideas, and centrist ideas revolve around not realizing how entrenched they are in their own ideology</quote> No they're not. Most conservatives, including the president are openly pro Israel. That alone is antithetical to the alt-right. Centrists just sit back and laugh at the absurd tribalism.</quote> supporting Israel is not antithetical to the alt-right if viewed through a lens of class analysis. Israel is an apartheid ethnostate, and its government is fascist. richard spencer has called himself a White Zionist, and is openly supportive of their nation state law https://twitter.com/RichardBSpencer/status/1020647641074618368</quote> LOL "a lens of class analysis" xfd just plain garbage thinking that unfortunately has too many idiot academics peddling it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 12/10/18 1:13:36 PM #128:	Romes187 posted... LOL "a lens of class analysis" xfd just plain garbage thinking that unfortunately has too many idiot academics peddling it what, specifically, is your problem with class analysis? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:913885943] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><cite>Romes187 posted...</cite> <quote>LOL "a lens of class analysis" xfd just plain garbage thinking that unfortunately has too many idiot academics peddling it</quote> what, specifically, is your problem with class analysis?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 12/10/18 1:18:00 PM #129:	Which definition of "alt-right" are we using? The one that involves support of white supremacists, neo nazis, etc.? Or the one that simply means being to the right of Bernie Sanders? --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:913886183] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote>Which definition of "alt-right" are we using? The one that involves support of white supremacists, neo nazis, etc.? Or the one that simply means being to the right of Bernie Sanders?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkjedilink 12/10/18 1:33:24 PM #130:	DifferentialEquation posted... Which definition of "alt-right" are we using? The one that involves support of white supremacists, neo nazis, etc.? Or the one that simply means being to the right of Bernie Sanders? Of course, the second one. --- 'It's okay that those gangbangers stole all my personal belongings and cash at gunpoint, cuz they're building a rec center!' - OneTimeBen <cite>darkjedilink posted [p:913887059] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>Which definition of "alt-right" are we using? The one that involves support of white supremacists, neo nazis, etc.? Or the one that simply means being to the right of Bernie Sanders?</quote> Of course, the second one.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 12/10/18 2:30:42 PM #131:	Relevant: https://twitter.com/nathanTbernard/status/1072167361774530560 --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:913890286] in What parti... [t:77271679]...</cite> <quote>Relevant: https://twitter.com/nathanTbernard/status/1072167361774530560</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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