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benjamin3740
12/06/18 2:36:19 PM
#252:


Lolo_Guru posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Like my reads are my reads. If you have some of your own, post them. But I dont even agree with that reasoning why we can't be scum together

The reasoning we can't be scum together isn't the point.

The point is you had something to say specifically, directly, concisely, to when I suggested you were scum with FD, a "why can't I be scum buds with FD defense" But you had nothing on mind for me. You hadn't thought about it.

Why would you have something in mind right away for why you can't be scum with FD but not me?

Because there's no reason why I'm not scum buddies with you that exists out there? ???

I mean, that's the only way I can explain it -_____-
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Hbthebattle
12/06/18 2:38:09 PM
#253:


benjamin3740 posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
Ben I swear to god what did you just do

Doc, do not claim
Lol Lets expose the doc anyway

If they're exposed they exposed themself. It's not my fault

What? Dude, you literally just exposed the doc
How is it not your fault you literally just did it
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Hbthebattle
12/06/18 2:39:31 PM
#254:


benjamin3740 posted...
If Pen was doc he'd know his death means the game is basically over for town. Pen is not showing drive or care.

And Terra counter claimed

No, he literally told the doctor to NOT counterclaim because it was obviously bullshit
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benjamin3740
12/06/18 2:43:38 PM
#255:


Hbthebattle posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
Ben I swear to god what did you just do

Doc, do not claim
Lol Lets expose the doc anyway

If they're exposed they exposed themself. It's not my fault

What? Dude, you literally just exposed the doc
How is it not your fault you literally just did it

Oh my opinion on who is doc matters so much to you but not my opinion of who is scum? LOVELY
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Hbthebattle
12/06/18 2:54:12 PM
#256:


benjamin3740 posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
Ben I swear to god what did you just do

Doc, do not claim
Lol Lets expose the doc anyway

If they're exposed they exposed themself. It's not my fault

What? Dude, you literally just exposed the doc
How is it not your fault you literally just did it

Oh my opinion on who is doc matters so much to you but not my opinion of who is scum? LOVELY

Dude, I agree with you that Pen is scum, come off it
But heres the thing: were supposed to find the scum and hide the doctor. We explicitly asked the doctor not to claim for this very reason.
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Pendragon71037
12/06/18 2:55:10 PM
#257:


benjamin3740 posted...
If Pen was doc he'd know his death means the game is basically over for town. Pen is not showing drive or care.

And Terra counter claimed

My man. I had a family dinner last night. Today, I had a lab final. I told y'all I wouldn't have an opportunity to post until tomorrow afternoon.
It's tomorrow afternoon now.

If I weren't already on Shonen, I'd consider voting Lolo. FD brings up a good point that any scum analysis involving him is kind of moot, what with Pirate's scan and all.
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benjamin3740
12/06/18 3:00:26 PM
#258:


And assuming Pen is scum, the doctor ain't hidden anymore. Everyone else has revealed their hand, so it can be figured out just from process of elimination too. Scare is on the scum team and like me can determine who is power when he's scum. Scum already likely landed on this info. It's town who seemingly is ignorant of it, so that is why I'm stepping up to make you all aware. I won't let today become a perfect victory for scum who knew who to night kill the whole time while we continue to act like it's hidden and we don't lynch the right person because of it.
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benjamin3740
12/06/18 3:03:41 PM
#259:


Pendragon71037 posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
If Pen was doc he'd know his death means the game is basically over for town. Pen is not showing drive or care.

And Terra counter claimed

My man. I had a family dinner last night. Today, I had a lab final. I told y'all I wouldn't have an opportunity to post until tomorrow afternoon.
It's tomorrow afternoon now.

If I weren't already on Shonen, I'd consider voting Lolo. FD brings up a good point that any scum analysis involving him is kind of moot, what with Pirate's scan and all.

You didnt sound very concerned when you were here, that's what I'm referring to. I was aware you'd be busy
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benjamin3740
12/06/18 3:05:57 PM
#260:


benjamin3740 posted...
And assuming Pen is scum, the doctor ain't hidden anymore. Everyone else has revealed their hand, so it can be figured out just from process of elimination too. Scare is on the scum team and like me can determine who is power when he's scum. Scum already likely landed on this info. It's town who seemingly is ignorant of it, so that is why I'm stepping up to make you all aware. I won't let today become a perfect victory for scum who knew who to night kill the whole time while we continue to act like it's hidden and we don't lynch the right person because of it.

This post answers your response perfectly, Hbbattle
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benjamin3740
12/06/18 3:09:18 PM
#261:


Pen I have just one question for you

....

Do you beliiiieeeve in life after looove?

But on a more serious note, is Bat a self preservation vote or something more?
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Pendragon71037
12/06/18 3:10:18 PM
#262:


benjamin3740 posted...
Pendragon71037 posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
If Pen was doc he'd know his death means the game is basically over for town. Pen is not showing drive or care.

And Terra counter claimed

My man. I had a family dinner last night. Today, I had a lab final. I told y'all I wouldn't have an opportunity to post until tomorrow afternoon.
It's tomorrow afternoon now.

If I weren't already on Shonen, I'd consider voting Lolo. FD brings up a good point that any scum analysis involving him is kind of moot, what with Pirate's scan and all.

You didnt sound very concerned when you were here, that's what I'm referring to. I was aware you'd be busy

Let's back up a step. You said you had reasons for thinking I was scum beforehand. Why don't you share that, because I think that's coloring your interpretation of the present.
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Pendragon71037
12/06/18 3:15:28 PM
#263:


benjamin3740 posted...
Pen I have just one question for you

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Do you beliiiieeeve in life after looove?

But on a more serious note, is Bat a self preservation vote or something more?

Yes, I do think Bat is actually Scum. Not because of flavor (lord knows we've had enough arguments about that, and I've never been a fan of them to begin with), but because he's like, the only guy who's contributed less than I have, and he doesn't have the excuse of trying to fly under the radar. Or, well, he does, I guess, but it holds less water when your claim is Prostitute and not Doctor. Plus, he actually voted for himself, which I think I have actually done as Scum before when my lynch was inevitable.
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benjamin3740
12/06/18 3:17:35 PM
#264:


Pendragon71037 posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Pendragon71037 posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
If Pen was doc he'd know his death means the game is basically over for town. Pen is not showing drive or care.

And Terra counter claimed

My man. I had a family dinner last night. Today, I had a lab final. I told y'all I wouldn't have an opportunity to post until tomorrow afternoon.
It's tomorrow afternoon now.

If I weren't already on Shonen, I'd consider voting Lolo. FD brings up a good point that any scum analysis involving him is kind of moot, what with Pirate's scan and all.

You didnt sound very concerned when you were here, that's what I'm referring to. I was aware you'd be busy

Let's back up a step. You said you had reasons for thinking I was scum beforehand. Why don't you share that, because I think that's coloring your interpretation of the present.

I haven't thought about those reasons at ever since the fake doc claim, so they're definitely not changing my interpretation. However I will share again that I think you were the weakest and most notably scummy of the Han votes in day 2''s Han VS Scare. Because when I asked for your reasons after the fact you cited liking a post scare made on day 1 as your reasoning (and not likinf Han on day 1), when PLENTY happened day 2 that was much more important to determining who was scum or town
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benjamin3740
12/06/18 3:18:52 PM
#265:


You wouldn't say you've seen town vote for themselves in a fit of frustration more than you've seen scum do it?
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/06/18 3:20:51 PM
#266:


I feel like Ben wants to kill our actual claimed Doc and risk pen telling the truth and losing our doc during the day. Bat is still the better option guarentee 100% for the 25% chance pen is our doc I'm not voting pen. I'm voting bat or lolo over pen. I won't believe terra is doc until I see it TERRA NEVER ACTUALLY COUNTER CLAIMED! Idk where ben is getting that from. Ben take out bat it is probably the safer move Chris would probably agree with me on this.
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benjamin3740
12/06/18 3:22:55 PM
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Pendragon71037
12/06/18 3:27:40 PM
#268:


benjamin3740 posted...
Pendragon71037 posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Pendragon71037 posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
If Pen was doc he'd know his death means the game is basically over for town. Pen is not showing drive or care.

And Terra counter claimed

My man. I had a family dinner last night. Today, I had a lab final. I told y'all I wouldn't have an opportunity to post until tomorrow afternoon.
It's tomorrow afternoon now.

If I weren't already on Shonen, I'd consider voting Lolo. FD brings up a good point that any scum analysis involving him is kind of moot, what with Pirate's scan and all.

You didnt sound very concerned when you were here, that's what I'm referring to. I was aware you'd be busy

Let's back up a step. You said you had reasons for thinking I was scum beforehand. Why don't you share that, because I think that's coloring your interpretation of the present.

I haven't thought about those reasons at ever since the fake doc claim, so they're definitely not changing my interpretation. However I will share again that I think you were the weakest and most notably scummy of the Han votes in day 2''s Han VS Scare. Because when I asked for your reasons after the fact you cited liking a post scare made on day 1 as your reasoning (and not likinf Han on day 1), when PLENTY happened day 2 that was much more important to determining who was scum or town

And we're back to that. Look man, I was wrong. So was everyone else on that lynch. And like I told you, I am absolutely awful at figuring out a situation where two good players decide an entirely day is gonna be dedicated to an argument between them. It all just blends together, and after a while I just give up. So I went with the gut read I had going in.
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/06/18 3:31:05 PM
#269:


benjamin3740 posted...
I give up


Because I'm right.. and you know I'm right that we have safer moves today. We get out bat the obvious scum we have our cop scan pen to guarantee pen is lying and whoever our actual doc if terra or pen still protect our cop! But you still want to risk killing our doc over a safer play?
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/06/18 3:35:17 PM
#270:


##vote:bat

This is our best move today convince me its not
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Shonen_Bat
12/06/18 4:02:04 PM
#271:


Can't convince someone who has proven themselves unwilling to accept any viewpoint except their own \_()_/
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Forceful_Dragon
12/06/18 4:40:26 PM
#272:


Ben, I also got a 'terra might be doc' vibe. But that's all it was, a vibe.

And until the counter claim comes I don't believe it.

I'm also not convinced we have a doctor after roleblocker plus bodyguard... But that's a different issue.

And if @Terra-enforcer IS doc them it needs to be claimed.

All in all we have way too much power. I'd still rather lynch the prostitute who had made no effort.
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Forceful_Dragon
12/06/18 4:47:11 PM
#273:


Shonen_Bat posted...
Can't convince someone who has proven themselves unwilling to accept any viewpoint except their own \_()_/


Please convince me why you saw me hinting prosty stuff to Han repeatedly day 2 and you didn't think to say anything.

Or why after that you 'targetted' the confirmed scum.

And then after that you targeted the cop.

You realize that scare was beyond dead to rights, right?

And that the cop, if scum, would likely be a scum information role so he would still get up each night.

.

But with all that said I have a bold theory percolating. Perhaps Harris IS the scum, and the reason he didn't confess to being slept with right away isn't because the host forgot to mention it, but because it wasn't mentioned by the host on a topic on the scum board and Harris just overlooked it at first and just paid attention to the discussion about who he was going to pretend to scan.

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Lynching a claimed cop seems worse than lynching a proven prosty, but damn if that doesn't seem more likely than eaed forgetting to resolve a night action correctly.
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Forceful_Dragon
12/06/18 4:51:03 PM
#274:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
but because it was mentioned by the host on a topic on the scum boa

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Shonen_Bat
12/06/18 5:00:20 PM
#275:


I don't know how there's any illusion of me being a good mafia player after today, but the answer to pretty much all of that is "I'm bad". If you think any hints you were dropping didn't fly over my head completely you're giving me way too much credit.

Targeting Scare was to call him out if he tried lying about his claim to cause another day-long bullshit fest. I think I explained this twice already but third time's the charm.

I targeted Pirate because I don't buy his cop claim at all and if my scan reported back that he didn't take a night action, he'd have some explaining to do.
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geno4smash4
12/06/18 5:12:25 PM
#276:


Going to sleep so I'll vote Pend
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Forceful_Dragon
12/06/18 5:14:16 PM
#277:


But you see how both of those are completely worthless?

And Scare essentially didn't post day 3. Because he was already caught by Han's flip. You didn't need to "catch" him in anything. The catching had already occurred.

I'm not talking about skill as it relates to high level mafia theory here. I'm just talking about basic common sense.

And then there's the way that you folded in half giving up and attempting to vote totally. Would someone who is town do that?

Fixed. Damn swipe.
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Forceful_Dragon
12/06/18 5:19:28 PM
#278:


I clicked "quote" so I could fix the word "probably" to the word "already". I fat fingered the edit button and didn't realize it. Pls have forgiveness @eaedwards6400

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TheSultanOfSlam
12/06/18 5:28:42 PM
#279:



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Lolo_Guru
12/06/18 5:32:11 PM
#280:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Like my reads are my reads. If you have some of your own, post them. But I dont even agree with that reasoning why we can't be scum together

The reasoning we can't be scum together isn't the point.

The point is you had something to say specifically, directly, concisely, to when I suggested you were scum with FD, a "why can't I be scum buds with FD defense" But you had nothing on mind for me. You hadn't thought about it.

Why would you have something in mind right away for why you can't be scum with FD but not me?


Here's a point you are overlooking.

NO ONE can be scum with FD because FD isn't fucking scum.

How are you this inclined to waste your time that you still think this.

I'm not overlooking that it looks like that.

He had no reason to defend himself like that to one member of town and not another.

It's been his favorite catchphrase for every defense of himself he's given. I can't be scum with scare, because ___, red because ____, etc. etc.

Ben, you are scum with red because of hoping for a second train, any second train, to form without starting it yourself when red was a few votes from being lynched d1; without his claim.

Ben, you are scum with scare because, quite frankly, if you're not, nobody can ever trust your word when it comes to scare ever again, as someone who read him well enough in Monster Mafia to fakeclaim masons with him.
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Lolo_Guru
12/06/18 6:01:26 PM
#281:


Someone actually reply to my fucking argument, please.

Penn, why do you think Ben is town?
Same to you, Sultan. Why do you think Ben is town?
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benjamin3740
12/06/18 6:11:22 PM
#282:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
I give up


Because I'm right.. and you know I'm right that we have safer moves today. We get out bat the obvious scum we have our cop scan pen to guarantee pen is lying and whoever our actual doc if terra or pen still protect our cop! But you still want to risk killing our doc over a safer play?

Pirate if you scan Pen so help me. ...
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benjamin3740
12/06/18 6:12:26 PM
#283:


People claiming powers are easy to figure out in other ways. Keep scans to vanilla claims/people we have no info on
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Pirate_Harris
12/06/18 6:19:15 PM
#284:


benjamin3740 posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
I give up


Because I'm right.. and you know I'm right that we have safer moves today. We get out bat the obvious scum we have our cop scan pen to guarantee pen is lying and whoever our actual doc if terra or pen still protect our cop! But you still want to risk killing our doc over a safer play?

Pirate if you scan Pen so help me. ...

By the end of day I might just scan you ben... you literally defended a scum scare until near the end when hans votes was pilling up then you jump ship to scare and it doesn't make you look scum in the process... similar moves by you happened on day 1 with chris and the indecisive voting at eod...
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Hbthebattle
12/06/18 6:20:37 PM
#285:


Pirate actually do scan Pen so we get an easy lynch and all have an excuse to play Ulitmate
:^))))))

No but seriously if no one claims doc scan him

If Pen ends up lynched today instead scan Bat
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/06/18 6:23:12 PM
#286:


Ben is being a duche. He wants to kill a possible doc. Terra isnt doc I have no reason to think terra is doc yet
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Pirate_Harris
12/06/18 6:23:17 PM
#287:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Shonen_Bat posted...
Can't convince someone who has proven themselves unwilling to accept any viewpoint except their own \_()_/


Please convince me why you saw me hinting prosty stuff to Han repeatedly day 2 and you didn't think to say anything.

Or why after that you 'targetted' the confirmed scum.

And then after that you targeted the cop.

You realize that scare was beyond dead to rights, right?

And that the cop, if scum, would likely be a scum information role so he would still get up each night.

.

But with all that said I have a bold theory percolating. Perhaps Harris IS the scum, and the reason he didn't confess to being slept with right away isn't because the host forgot to mention it, but because it wasn't mentioned by the host on a topic on the scum board and Harris just overlooked it at first and just paid attention to the discussion about who he was going to pretend to scan.

.

Lynching a claimed cop seems worse than lynching a proven prosty, but damn if that doesn't seem more likely than eaed forgetting to resolve a night action correctly.

I admit that is a bold theory fd and it would work if I was scum... but in all honesty ed forgot to tell me that I had slept... there is no underlining agenda in my "pretend scan"... first time as a cop and it's like I said before kid with a loaded machine gun hopped on sugar...
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Lolo_Guru
12/06/18 6:23:38 PM
#288:


HB, weigh in on ben.
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Pirate_Harris
12/06/18 6:24:54 PM
#289:


Hbthebattle posted...
Pirate actually do scan Pen so we get an easy lynch and all have an excuse to play Ulitmate
:^))))))

No but seriously if no one claims doc scan him

If Pen ends up lynched today instead scan Bat

I was thinking ben if bat flips scum...
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Hbthebattle
12/06/18 6:28:12 PM
#290:


Lolo_Guru posted...
HB, weigh in on ben.

I think hes town, for now. While the doctor mistake is huge, it doesnt really make sense as to why scum would do such a thing, and I do think Pen is scum. I just disagree with him whether he or Bat should go first.
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Lolo_Guru
12/06/18 6:28:52 PM
#291:


Ben is guaranteed to be around tomorrow (because he's scum)

But really, come on, guys. Lynch him with me. Or tell me why you think he's town.
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/06/18 6:29:31 PM
#292:


benjamin3740 posted...
If Pen was doc he'd know his death means the game is basically over for town. Pen is not showing drive or care.

And Terra counter claimed


Quote the counter claim in wait you cant there wasnt 1!
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Pirate_Harris
12/06/18 6:31:04 PM
#293:


Lolo_Guru posted...
Ben is guaranteed to be around tomorrow (because he's scum)

But really, come on, guys. Lynch him with me. Or tell me why you think he's town.

Hey LoLo, tell me why ben isn't town and I'll hop on the ben lynch
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Hbthebattle
12/06/18 6:31:18 PM
#294:


Ben has really proven himself active since Han died, despite his earlier sheeping. I think hes town, despite my disagreements of him.
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/06/18 6:31:36 PM
#295:


Lolo_Guru posted...
Ben is guaranteed to be around tomorrow (because he's scum)

But really, come on, guys. Lynch him with me. Or tell me why you think he's town.


Honestly the only town thing I thought ben was strongly town was his sheeping of Chris and chris being town
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Lolo_Guru
12/06/18 6:34:03 PM
#296:


Lolo_Guru posted...

Ben, you are scum with red because of hoping for a second train, any second train, to form without starting it yourself when red was a few votes from being lynched d1; without his claim.

Ben, you are scum with scare because, quite frankly, if you're not, nobody can ever trust your word when it comes to scare ever again, as someone who read him well enough in Monster Mafia to fakeclaim masons with him.

Here you go pirate.
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/06/18 6:34:27 PM
#297:


I'm just mad at ben beacuse I think bat is the better vote today and I think pend would HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN COUNTER CLAIM BY NOW
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Pirate_Harris
12/06/18 6:35:53 PM
#298:


Lolo_Guru posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...

Ben, you are scum with red because of hoping for a second train, any second train, to form without starting it yourself when red was a few votes from being lynched d1; without his claim.

Ben, you are scum with scare because, quite frankly, if you're not, nobody can ever trust your word when it comes to scare ever again, as someone who read him well enough in Monster Mafia to fakeclaim masons with him.

Here you go pirate.

Thank you LoLo
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hombad46
12/06/18 6:35:56 PM
#299:


Lolo_Guru posted...
Ben is guaranteed to be around tomorrow (because he's scum)

But really, come on, guys. Lynch him with me. Or tell me why you think he's town.


I dont think hes town, I just think Shonen is the important target at the moment. Apologies to Han, but Im actually starting to come around to the idea that you might be town. I dont know why scum would try to start an all new wagon like this so late in the day. Unless both major options are scum I guess
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Lolo_Guru
12/06/18 6:36:18 PM
#300:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
Ben is guaranteed to be around tomorrow (because he's scum)

But really, come on, guys. Lynch him with me. Or tell me why you think he's town.


Honestly the only town thing I thought ben was strongly town was his sheeping of Chris and chris being town

A scum ben will definitely sheep a town Chris.
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Hbthebattle
12/06/18 6:36:55 PM
#301:


Pens trap is really fucking obvious dude, dont encourage the doc to be even more fucked than he was after Ben.
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