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TheSultanOfSlam
12/05/18 7:54:32 PM
#151:


Blah it's a confusing situation I feel like this scum team must be pretty dumb not to kill a doctor if they knew he was doctor and they would have assumed he would protect pirate.... ugh this is so confusing
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Terra-enforcer
12/05/18 7:58:59 PM
#152:


Pendragon71037 posted...
All right, first off, Im sorry. I waited until after work because I wanted several hours in a row to defend myself further, but turns out Im going to a family dinner so thats not gonna happen, and with one thing and another I wouldnt have that sort of opportunity until tomorrow afternoon. So, sorry, but this is gonna he a post-and-run.

Im not Yoshi, VETERAN Vanilla
As some of you have begun to suspect, Im Yoshi, VETERAN Egg Lay (Doctor).
N1, I tried to protect Chris. I say tried, because SOMEONE decided to roleblock me. Although, looking at Scares flip, it may not have mattered anyway- if I were Scum, I would absolutely strongman him N1. But still.
N2 and N3, I protected Harris. Youre welcome.

If you look back on the previous days, youll see that I didnt really try to defend myself against people who said I was scummy. That was intentional (although, admittedly, them finding me scummy in the first place wasnt). Essentially, my plan was, if Scum thought Town thought I was Scum, theyd leave me alive, and I could continue to protect.

And now, I have to leave again. Sorry.

This is so bad. He's clearly trying to bait out the actual doc into a counterclaim. How desperate lol. I hope no one falls for such a terrible ruse.
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hombad46
12/05/18 7:59:26 PM
#153:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Blah it's a confusing situation I feel like this scum team must be pretty dumb not to kill a doctor if they knew he was doctor and they would have assumed he would protect pirate.... ugh this is so confusing

Wait where are you getting that scum knew he was Doctor?
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Terra-enforcer
12/05/18 8:02:50 PM
#154:


hombad46 posted...
TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Blah it's a confusing situation I feel like this scum team must be pretty dumb not to kill a doctor if they knew he was doctor and they would have assumed he would protect pirate.... ugh this is so confusing

Wait where are you getting that scum knew he was Doctor?

This is also partly my question. But more to Pend since he seems to think most people assumed his was doctor, which clearly isn't the case based on how many people scum read him and considering the number of votes on him at the moment.
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Terra-enforcer
12/05/18 8:08:21 PM
#155:


Man, I'm really mad at myself for not posting in this thread this literal event happening before hand because I halfway expected something like this to occur. Pend pushed against the wall and scum can't progress without safely killing our scanner, so they counter claim doc since Pend is halfway on the scaffolding anyway so they can off our remaining protection. Better move than the Scare response I will admit, but I hope the result doesn't turn out to be the same.
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Lolo_Guru
12/05/18 8:11:21 PM
#156:


Rather than yelling to the rooftops that you want the game to think you're doctor, Terra, couldn't you answer my question, please?
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/05/18 8:11:49 PM
#157:


The way he made it sound it sounded like he said scum or everyone assumed he was doctor
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Terra-enforcer
12/05/18 8:19:11 PM
#158:


Lolo_Guru posted...
Rather than yelling to the rooftops that you want the game to think you're doctor, Terra, couldn't you answer my question, please?

That's not what I'm doing, I just don't want the actual doc to fall for the counterclaim since we have shit like Harris claiming cop because he thought he was smooth and able to push Scare into a corner.

And I've had Ben firmly in my mixed category, and even openly stated that aside from specific instances I almost wanted to put him into town lean. So not sure where you see the scum bud connection in my reads. I will admit that you are among my weaker reads that I plan to expound upon later if given the chance, but I stand by the scum lean (just not as much as Scare when he was around or Pend currently). I've just been inactive because of irl stuff coming at me from all sides recently.
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/05/18 8:19:49 PM
#159:


Battle keep saying he will tell us why pirate was saved and if it's not the doctor claim he needs to tell us now. No more waiting tell us now.
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Forceful_Dragon
12/05/18 8:20:26 PM
#160:


@Pendragon71037
Dude, we need you posting more. Expand what you mean better and give your thoughts.

If you *are* doctor then you are effectively a dead man walking tonight and so your thoughts and opinions have a time limit.
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Hbthebattle
12/05/18 8:22:38 PM
#161:


I agree with Terra that the doc claim is obviously fake. But it seems almost too obvious, like this is the exact thing Scare pulled. And again, it'd only save Pen one day.

Hm. I think there is something more to this, but I have to do a little more rereading and research.
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Lolo_Guru
12/05/18 8:23:40 PM
#162:


Terra-enforcer posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
Rather than yelling to the rooftops that you want the game to think you're doctor, Terra, couldn't you answer my question, please?

That's not what I'm doing, I just don't want the actual doc to fall for the counterclaim since we have shit like Harris claiming cop because he thought he was smooth and able to push Scare into a corner.

And I've had Ben firmly in my mixed category, and even openly stated that aside from specific instances I almost wanted to put him into town lean. So not sure where you see the scum bud connection in my reads. I will admit that you are among my weaker reads that I plan to expound upon later if given the chance, but I stand by the scum lean (just not as much as Scare when he was around or Pend currently). I've just been inactive because of irl stuff coming at me from all sides recently.

That's avoiding the question.
Have you thought about Ben and I enough to see an obvious reason we cannot be scumbuds, or not?
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Hbthebattle
12/05/18 8:25:19 PM
#163:


TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Battle keep saying he will tell us why pirate was saved and if it's not the doctor claim he needs to tell us now. No more waiting tell us now.

?
I have said this multiple times. It's because I realized Death had to have RBed Scare night 2. I am not the Doctor.
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/05/18 8:25:49 PM
#164:


##unvote
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benjamin3740
12/05/18 8:26:51 PM
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Lolo_Guru
12/05/18 8:31:47 PM
#166:


benjamin3740 posted...
Pen is not doctor. Carry on

How about you, ben?

Do you have a clue what I'm talking about?
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benjamin3740
12/05/18 8:33:05 PM
#167:


Also I love the "I intended to be scummy so I wouldn't be night killed" response. That is never something town actively tries to do. I know that is fake reasoning.
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benjamin3740
12/05/18 8:34:01 PM
#168:


Lolo_Guru posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Pen is not doctor. Carry on

How about you, ben?

Do you have a clue what I'm talking about?

Were you one of the ones who corraberated with me that vanilla didn't have flavor?
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Lolo_Guru
12/05/18 8:34:42 PM
#169:


benjamin3740 posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Pen is not doctor. Carry on

How about you, ben?

Do you have a clue what I'm talking about?

Were you one of the ones who corraberated with me that vanilla didn't have flavor?

It has absolutely nothing to do with that.
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benjamin3740
12/05/18 8:34:46 PM
#170:


You never did answer my question of how much you like Luigi. :^P
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Forceful_Dragon
12/05/18 8:36:52 PM
#171:


Hbthebattle posted...

I have said this multiple times. It's because I realized Death had to have RBed Scare night 2. I am not the Doctor.


And you realize scum would have to be pretty dumb to send a kill with scare that night right?

That was the night after the "Han vs Scare - one MUST be scum day".

And death still died that night so a different scum killed him. Unless you are suggesting they have an unblockable shot and an extra kill.
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/05/18 8:37:05 PM
#172:


Lolo should I believe that you are town?
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Lolo_Guru
12/05/18 8:38:59 PM
#173:


benjamin3740 posted...
You never did answer my question of how much you like Luigi. :^P

He's fine.

So... no clue.

No clue at all?
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benjamin3740
12/05/18 8:39:26 PM
#174:


Lolo_Guru posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Pen is not doctor. Carry on

How about you, ben?

Do you have a clue what I'm talking about?

Were you one of the ones who corraberated with me that vanilla didn't have flavor?

It has absolutely nothing to do with that.

Huh. Well maybe it's not something I've not noticed yet then. I dunno it's kind of not something I'm looking for for - what makes me not on a scum team with someone when I already know half the answer to that.
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Hbthebattle
12/05/18 8:46:08 PM
#175:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Hbthebattle posted...

I have said this multiple times. It's because I realized Death had to have RBed Scare night 2. I am not the Doctor.


And you realize scum would have to be pretty dumb to send a kill with scare that night right?

That was the night after the "Han vs Scare - one MUST be scum day".

And death still died that night so a different scum killed him. Unless you are suggesting they have an unblockable shot and an extra kill.

Fd I literally don't understand what you are getting at
I literally don't understand.
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hombad46
12/05/18 8:46:11 PM
#176:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Hbthebattle posted...

I have said this multiple times. It's because I realized Death had to have RBed Scare night 2. I am not the Doctor.


And you realize scum would have to be pretty dumb to send a kill with scare that night right?

That was the night after the "Han vs Scare - one MUST be scum day".

And death still died that night so a different scum killed him. Unless you are suggesting they have an unblockable shot and an extra kill.


Hbthebattle posted...

I never said I was the reason.
I said I had a theory, the theory was that you were RBd but Scare also got RBed, undoing your RB.


Battle was explaining why Pirate wasn't roleblocked, not why he wasn't killed
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Lolo_Guru
12/05/18 8:55:34 PM
#177:


benjamin3740 posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Pen is not doctor. Carry on

How about you, ben?

Do you have a clue what I'm talking about?

Were you one of the ones who corraberated with me that vanilla didn't have flavor?

It has absolutely nothing to do with that.

Huh. Well maybe it's not something I've not noticed yet then. I dunno it's kind of not something I'm looking for for - what makes me not on a scum team with someone when I already know half the answer to that.


Ok. Terra and Ben.

Answer me this.

If you still want me lynched, why do you want me lynched? This should be a far simpler question for your minds. Make it good.
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benjamin3740
12/05/18 8:56:33 PM
#178:


Lolo_Guru posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
Pen is not doctor. Carry on

How about you, ben?

Do you have a clue what I'm talking about?

Were you one of the ones who corraberated with me that vanilla didn't have flavor?

It has absolutely nothing to do with that.

Huh. Well maybe it's not something I've not noticed yet then. I dunno it's kind of not something I'm looking for for - what makes me not on a scum team with someone when I already know half the answer to that.


Ok. Terra and Ben.

Answer me this.

If you still want me lynched, why do you want me lynched? This should be a far simpler question for your minds. Make it good.

I don't want you lynched. I think I even stated when I started too see you as town day 3
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Lolo_Guru
12/05/18 9:22:07 PM
#179:


Terra?
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Forceful_Dragon
12/05/18 9:27:14 PM
#180:


Han believes your are scum and he is usually right about such things
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/05/18 9:33:54 PM
#181:


Lolo is like 75% scum I've been saying that he was scum for a while and it's become more and more so.
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Lolo_Guru
12/05/18 9:33:58 PM
#182:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
Han believes your are scum and he is usually right about such things

Are you being lazy again, FD?

There is a point to this.
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benjamin3740
12/05/18 9:35:21 PM
#183:


What has he done to make it more and more so since you started saying it?
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/05/18 9:41:14 PM
#184:


benjamin3740 posted...
What has he done to make it more and more so since you started saying it?


Dont like his claim, his content, have had a hunch that hasnt gotten any better since I've thought he was scum, today has been the first time I've seem something I've liked but still hasnt got me convinced
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benjamin3740
12/05/18 9:42:21 PM
#185:


Now answer what you saw today that you liked!
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/05/18 9:46:07 PM
#186:


Today I've liked Lolos questions and points against pen
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benjamin3740
12/05/18 9:47:32 PM
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Doopliss_Power
12/05/18 10:07:07 PM
#188:


I buy the Pendragon claim. Everything he said checks out with the way he played. Shonen's the tricky one, though. The idea of both Jiggs rolling Prosty and the host butchering the role seems absurd, but it's also weird to sleep with the person you're going to kill. Maybe it was just a way to try to get Shonen "confirmed" if there was a Doc? Scum team knew massclaim was coming tomorrow anyway.
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benjamin3740
12/05/18 10:10:26 PM
#189:


Except that no one intentionaly plays that way. Why would you not play like Vanilla and try to keep us thinking you're town? If we freaking start voting you, you'll be forced to claim doctor. That's much more likely to happen if you play scummily than it's likely scum will keep you alive just for that.
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Hbthebattle
12/05/18 10:11:15 PM
#190:


Doopliss_Power posted...
I buy the Pendragon claim. Everything he said checks out with the way he played. Shonen's the tricky one, though. The idea of both Jiggs rolling Prosty and the host butchering the role seems absurd, but it's also weird to sleep with the person you're going to kill. Maybe it was just a way to try to get Shonen "confirmed" if there was a Doc? Scum team knew massclaim was coming tomorrow anyway.

Was it ever stated roles AND flavor are randomized? Because that has seemed wrong this entire game, starting with the bounty hunter with a famously powerful attack being vig.
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Lolo_Guru
12/05/18 10:18:33 PM
#191:


I'm tired of waiting.

... Tired of waiting.

Let's go to the votals again.

Just not the end-of-day votals. Let's talk about midday day 1, where the Scare train formed.

hombad46 posted...
Wombo Combo Votals:
red13n [4] - FD, (Chris), (Ben), Shonen, Han, (Lolo), Sultan
FD [1] - Scare,
hombad46[1] - (Sultan)
geno [0] - (hombad46), (HB)
death [0] - (Ben)
han [1] - (hb), Geno
Scare [4] - Chris, Ben, LoLo, Death


Scare felt enough pressure from four votes to claim, even though he obviously didn't want to. Let's remind everyone who voted for him.
Chris, Ben, Lolo(me), and Death
To claim both me and Ben as scum would be to claim that scum, who already had their vote on scum (as both I and Ben were on red before this), move to another scum to add fuel to another scum train, filling half the votes to force a claim that Scare seriously didn't want to do.

I can accept thinking that one of Ben and I is scum (Ben), but why would arguing both of us make sense?
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benjamin3740
12/05/18 10:23:04 PM
#192:


It's a nice thought, but....honestly just town Chris thinking he is scum would be enough for any Scare to claim power as soon as possible :|
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Lolo_Guru
12/05/18 10:33:41 PM
#193:


benjamin3740 posted...
It's a nice thought, but....honestly just town Chris thinking he is scum would be enough for any Scare to claim power as soon as possible :|

Hm.

I suppose. Though trains obviously help all the same.

It does raise a point though; our votes are pretty similar throughout day 1, and I can certainly see why yours at the end were scummy, so I seriously don't understand why you don't want me lynched.
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Doopliss_Power
12/05/18 10:46:07 PM
#194:


Hbthebattle posted...
Doopliss_Power posted...
I buy the Pendragon claim. Everything he said checks out with the way he played. Shonen's the tricky one, though. The idea of both Jiggs rolling Prosty and the host butchering the role seems absurd, but it's also weird to sleep with the person you're going to kill. Maybe it was just a way to try to get Shonen "confirmed" if there was a Doc? Scum team knew massclaim was coming tomorrow anyway.

Was it ever stated roles AND flavor are randomized? Because that has seemed wrong this entire game, starting with the bounty hunter with a famously powerful attack being vig.

Mario as Cop?
Fox as RB?
Simon as Vanilla and Incineroar as Jack?

I think it's safe to say the host did what the host told us he was going to do.
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benjamin3740
12/05/18 10:48:37 PM
#195:


Lolo_Guru posted...
benjamin3740 posted...
It's a nice thought, but....honestly just town Chris thinking he is scum would be enough for any Scare to claim power as soon as possible :|

Hm.

I suppose. Though trains obviously help all the same.

It does raise a point though; our votes are pretty similar throughout day 1, and I can certainly see why yours at the end were scummy, so I seriously don't understand why you don't want me lynched.

I liked that you were passionate about a read on FD and me, which was not common consensus, on a day when the lynch was set. I've sort of liked your responses to my own suspicions and others'. I really havent done any ote analysis of day 1, and have been focusing this whole game a lot more on town reads.
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Lolo_Guru
12/05/18 10:49:27 PM
#196:


*shrug*

I hope it's just that both Shonen and Penn are scum. But... I really feel I'm missing something.
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benjamin3740
12/05/18 10:53:32 PM
#197:


Doop wouldnt you say Pichu lightning rod is a big coincidence too?
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/05/18 10:59:38 PM
#198:


Pichu why do I feel like no host should pick pichu as a power. It's a horrible meta but I doubt that anyone would be like yeah pichu let's make him a town power.. out of all the returning players pichu... pichu... I've been wanting to say this but really PICHU! PICHU!
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benjamin3740
12/05/18 11:00:34 PM
#199:


Hosts will specifically pick things that it seems like no host would pick!
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Forceful_Dragon
12/05/18 11:04:44 PM
#200:


My understanding was that flavor's would be randomized and then roles would be assigned to balance as best was possible.

Falcon Punch as vig shot makes perfect sense. When you get home by a charged Falcon Punch you get blown the fuck away.

Mario as cop makes sense in a way because of the move CAPE.

We've had Pokemon themed with MACHOP the COP.

This would be CAPE the COP.

Pichu as lrod speaks for itself and even incineraor for because his moves show enough variability to lend themselves to.

Fox's down+b is a good roleblocker because it stops and deflects things.

.

Now with that said it's possible there is a newcomer that could justifiably also fit one of these roles. And that's where scum is hiding.

They could be K Rool "move name" that has a similar function to something that's been claimed.

Or in the case of the cop it could be any conceivable scum throwing out pretend scans because they know who is who.
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