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eaedwards6400
12/05/18 9:45:41 AM
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12 Player Smash!
1. Benjamin3740
2. Hombad (Corrik)
3. Doopliss_Power
4. geno4smash
5. Hbthebattle
6. Lolo_Guru
7. Pendragon71037
8. Forecful_Dragon
9. Pirate_Harris (Shad)
10. Shonen_Bat
11. Terra-enforcer
12. TheSultanOfSlam

Eliminated:
[LD1] Jedimess - Pikachu, VETERAN Vanilla
[NK1] DoomTheGyarados - Captain Falcon, VETERAN Falcon Punch (1-Shot Vigilante)
[NK1] red13n - Simon Belmont, NEWCOMER Vanilla
[LD2] Hanofthenekos - Mega Man, VETERAN Leaf Shield (Bodyguard)
[NK2] htaeD - Fox McCloud - VETERAN Reflector (Roleblocker)
[LD3] ScareChan - Incineroar - NEWCOMER Wrestler (Jack of All Trades)

Day 1 Votals:
Jedimess [5] - Chris, jombad46, (Ben), (Scare), Pendadragon, (Pirate), Scare, (Pirate), (HB), Ben
Scare [4] - (Chris), (Ben), (LoLo), Death, (Han), (FD), Doop, Terra, Han
Chris [3] - (Scare), (Sultan), (Han), Shonen, Lolo, Pirate
red13n [1] - (FD), (Chris), (Ben), (Shonen), (Han), (Lolo), (Sultan), (HB), FD, (Pirate)
Han [1] - (HB), Geno
Terra [1] - Sultan
Lolo [0] - (Han)
death [0] - (Ben), (Scare), (Pirate), (Ben)
FD [0] - (Scare)
geno [0] - (hombad46), (HB)
hombad46 [0] - (Sultan)

Day 2 Votals:
[8] Han - Scare, (Ben), Pendragon, (Sultan), (HB), FD, lolo, Death, (Shoenin), HB, (Pirate), Hombad, Pirate
[6] Scare - Terra, (Death), (Doop), Geno, (Doop), Han, (Pirate), Ben, (Pirate), Doop, Shoenin
[1] lolo - (hombad), Sultan
[0] Death - (Scare), (Ben), (Doop)
[0] Doop - (Han)
[0] Hombad - (Doop)
[0] Pendragon - (Han)
[0] Sultan - (lolo)

Day 3 Votals
[5] Scarechan - HB, (Doop), Shonen, FD, Pirate, (hombad), hombad

Votals
[3] Pendragon - ben, (Doop), Lolo, Shonen
[2] Shonen - hombad, Doop
[0] FD - (Lolo)

Day ends 12/6/2018 at 11PM EST or when 7 votes are reached.
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eaedwards6400
12/05/18 9:46:59 AM
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Votes for yourself again and I will consider you not playing to win and have you modkilled. This is your only warning.
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benjamin3740
12/05/18 9:54:46 AM
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I remember back when I first started playing here when self votes were counted as actual votes. Dark times
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Terra-enforcer
12/05/18 11:19:55 AM
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Lolo_Guru posted...
Yeah, Shonen is confirmed prostitute.

One extra day of prostitute scanning (if Shonen's scum) won't matter very much. Let's put it this way: if Shonen outs the doctor by scanning one of the claimed vanillas and telling us he moved, so be it?

Although; Shonen, may I ask what was running through your head when you decided to scan Scare N2?

Still of the mind that Lolo is scum, but I had the same thought. If Pend didn't look bad enough before, his botched claim should be the end of him. There's still quite a few vanillas/unclaimed roles out there so chances of a scum Shonen getting it right are still relatively low.

On another note, the "weird" part of Shonen's claim makes him more believable than anything else for me personally. Pend's botch, according to ben, is a result of him attempting to give too much information which straight up contradicted set information. But Shonen's claim only appears to be weird by flavor meta. In no circumstance would it make sense to lynch Shonen over Pend.

##Vote: Pend
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Terra-enforcer
12/05/18 11:25:31 AM
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Also for a scum team that seemingly lacks a roleblocker, town seems stacked as hell by comparison. Lightning Rod, two scanners, roleblocker, BG, protection of some kind, and whatever else has yet to be claimed.
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Pendragon71037
12/05/18 11:26:01 AM
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Trust me guys, this isn't the lynch you want to push today. You're right that I made a mistake, but you're wrong as to why.

And, for the record, ##Vote: Shonen
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hombad46
12/05/18 11:29:14 AM
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Terra-enforcer posted...
Also for a scum team that seemingly lacks a roleblocker, town seems stacked as hell by comparison. Lightning Rod, two scanners, roleblocker, BG, protection of some kind, and whatever else has yet to be claimed.


They had a 1-shot roleblock on Scare.

Pendragon71037 posted...
Trust me guys, this isn't the lynch you want to push today. You're right that I made a mistake, but you're wrong as to why.

And, for the record, ##Vote: Shonen


Well enlighten us then, why?
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Hbthebattle
12/05/18 11:29:29 AM
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Terra-enforcer posted...
Also for a scum team that seemingly lacks a roleblocker, town seems stacked as hell by comparison. Lightning Rod, two scanners, roleblocker, BG, protection of some kind, and whatever else has yet to be claimed.

Scare had a roleblock. But yeah, Town seems to be stacked.
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Pirate_Harris
12/05/18 11:29:51 AM
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I wasn't entirely convinced that shonen was scum as he might've messed up his claim like pend did... but that self vote really sold me that he is giving up as scum...

##vote: shonen
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Forceful_Dragon
12/05/18 11:30:31 AM
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What do you mean the chance of scum Shonen "getting it right"?

Shonen isn't guessing if people got up at night. He is confirmably prosty. I received a message letting me know I was slept with. I didn't know by who until later, but it definitely happened.

So, prosty? 100%, without a doubt.

Town? Maybe not.

.

I still really don't like that Shonen didn't seem to put any thought whatever into who he slept with.

Or any thought whatever into leaving hints or some Bob Ross 'little indications' during the day as to who he targeted at what the result was.

What if he was night killed? Based on things Shonen has said I'm not sure how one could go back and discern who Shonen targeted and what they did before the full claim.

.

It's almost as though the targets are random because they fishing for information.

It's almost as though Shonen didn't bother to leave indications for towns benefit because he isn't playing for towns benefit in mind.

.

If prosty is scum they have their shared information, hints be damned.

Food for thought
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Forceful_Dragon
12/05/18 11:32:25 AM
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Terra-enforcer posted...
There's still quite a few vanillas/unclaimed roles out there so chances of a scum Shonen getting it right are still relatively low.


My post was initially a reply to this. For context.
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hombad46
12/05/18 11:32:26 AM
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Terra-enforcer posted...
Also for a scum team that seemingly lacks a roleblocker, town seems stacked as hell by comparison. Lightning Rod, two scanners, roleblocker, BG, protection of some kind, and whatever else has yet to be claimed.


Oh, and for the balance standpoint, given that Lightning Rod can disrupt town actions, I would say overall it's neutral for balance. Take the scenario I gave Geno in the last topic for example:

Town has claimed cop
Cop intends to read Townie X.
Scum Y redirects cop's read to themselves.
Cop now sees Townie X as scum.

But what happens when the cop hasn't claimed? This opens up the following scenario:

Cop intends to read scum Y
Townie X redirects cop's read to themselves
Cop now sees scum Y as town.

In the majority of situations, the cop would be unknown I would think, making scenario 2 more likely than scenario 1.
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Forceful_Dragon
12/05/18 11:34:49 AM
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Neither of those are how redirects normally work. It's topically:

.

Cop - "I use my scan on A"

Host - "B is town"

.

With no explanation as to why your result was for someone else.
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hombad46
12/05/18 11:36:34 AM
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Forceful_Dragon posted...
Neither of those are how redirects normally work. It's topically:

.

Cop - "I use my scan on A"

Host - "B is town"

.

With no explanation as to why your result was for someone else.


Oh, really? I was under the impression that cop reads were simply "guilty" or "not guilty' or some variation of that, not including the name since the cop would, in most cases, know who they targeted. Pirate, what are your messages like?
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Pendragon71037
12/05/18 11:37:39 AM
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hombad46 posted...
Terra-enforcer posted...
Also for a scum team that seemingly lacks a roleblocker, town seems stacked as hell by comparison. Lightning Rod, two scanners, roleblocker, BG, protection of some kind, and whatever else has yet to be claimed.


They had a 1-shot roleblock on Scare.

Pendragon71037 posted...
Trust me guys, this isn't the lynch you want to push today. You're right that I made a mistake, but you're wrong as to why.

And, for the record, ##Vote: Shonen


Well enlighten us then, why?

I've gotta leave for work now. I'll tell you tonight, though, I promise. Just try not to hammer me before then, please.
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geno4smash4
12/05/18 11:38:48 AM
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Forceful_Dragon posted...
Neither of those are how redirects normally work. It's topically:

.

Cop - "I use my scan on A"

Host - "B is town"

.

With no explanation as to why your result was for someone else.

No way, that's broken, he just says town or not town.
Hbthebattle
12/05/18 11:40:03 AM
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Forceful_Dragon posted...
Neither of those are how redirects normally work. It's topically:

.

Cop - "I use my scan on A"

Host - "B is town"

.

With no explanation as to why your result was for someone else.

I actually dont know whether my role sends messages. But I can check.

@geno4smash4 did you get a message last night saying you were redirected?
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Forceful_Dragon
12/05/18 11:47:09 AM
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Hbthebattle posted...
Forceful_Dragon posted...
Neither of those are how redirects normally work. It's topically:

.

Cop - "I use my scan on A"

Host - "B is town"

.

With no explanation as to why your result was for someone else.

I actually dont know whether my role sends messages. But I can check.

@geno4smash4 did you get a message last night saying you were redirected?


What are you even talking about.

You claimed lightning rod, so why would he be notified?

How does your role even work. You said this

Hbthebattle posted...
Also, time to explain my big theory that just might have been confirmed
Also it might not matter but please humor me

My role is Pichu, VETERAN Thunder (2-Shot Lightning Rod).

I fired my first shot at Scare on Night 2, guessing he was the RB so I could draw it away. (and I was fucking right). However, I never got the "You were roleblocked" message. I'm guessing that was because Death did RB Scare after all (slight redemption for Pen I guess, not that it means much) So, I guess mystery solved on why Pirate was never roleblocked.

My second shot was at Geno, last night. Nothing happened. Still waiting on that claim, dude.


But that barely makes sense either.

You absorb all the actions against that person? What precisely are you doing, but I feel like night 2 doesn't affect up.
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benjamin3740
12/05/18 11:49:18 AM
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Terra-enforcer posted...
Lolo_Guru posted...
Yeah, Shonen is confirmed prostitute.

One extra day of prostitute scanning (if Shonen's scum) won't matter very much. Let's put it this way: if Shonen outs the doctor by scanning one of the claimed vanillas and telling us he moved, so be it?

Although; Shonen, may I ask what was running through your head when you decided to scan Scare N2?

Still of the mind that Lolo is scum, but I had the same thought. If Pend didn't look bad enough before, his botched claim should be the end of him. There's still quite a few vanillas/unclaimed roles out there so chances of a scum Shonen getting it right are still relatively low.

On another note, the "weird" part of Shonen's claim makes him more believable than anything else for me personally. Pend's botch, according to ben, is a result of him attempting to give too much information which straight up contradicted set information. But Shonen's claim only appears to be weird by flavor meta. In no circumstance would it make sense to lynch Shonen over Pend.

##Vote: Pend

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hombad46
12/05/18 11:49:52 AM
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

You absorb all the actions against that person? What precisely are you doing, but I feel like night 2 doesn't affect up.


That's not how it works. He absorbs actions FROM that person, not towards them

Hbthebattle posted...
Doopliss_Power posted...
HB, can you tell us exactly how your power works? I may have a lead.

The person I target during the night will use the action they would have taken on me.
I took this to mean that if they do nothing nothing happens to me, though I am unsure of that.

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Forceful_Dragon
12/05/18 11:51:09 AM
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Because so far I'm reading two somewhat different definitions for lightning rod, and what you are claiming does not line up with either of them.
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Hbthebattle
12/05/18 11:51:34 AM
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Forceful_Dragon posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
Forceful_Dragon posted...
Neither of those are how redirects normally work. It's topically:

.

Cop - "I use my scan on A"

Host - "B is town"

.

With no explanation as to why your result was for someone else.

I actually dont know whether my role sends messages. But I can check.

@geno4smash4 did you get a message last night saying you were redirected?


What are you even talking about.

You claimed lightning rod, so why would he be notified?

How does your role even work. You said this

Hbthebattle posted...
Also, time to explain my big theory that just might have been confirmed
Also it might not matter but please humor me

My role is Pichu, VETERAN Thunder (2-Shot Lightning Rod).

I fired my first shot at Scare on Night 2, guessing he was the RB so I could draw it away. (and I was fucking right). However, I never got the "You were roleblocked" message. I'm guessing that was because Death did RB Scare after all (slight redemption for Pen I guess, not that it means much) So, I guess mystery solved on why Pirate was never roleblocked.

My second shot was at Geno, last night. Nothing happened. Still waiting on that claim, dude.


But that barely makes sense either.

You absorb all the actions against that person? What precisely are you doing, but I feel like night 2 doesn't affect up.

No, I absorb the actions that person would have taken, not any actions they can do.

Im not familiar with how roles work here. Is Lightning Rod a role in which it notifies the target of it that it was used on them, like Prosty is? My PM doesnt mention that, but Im checking anyway.
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Forceful_Dragon
12/05/18 11:54:49 AM
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hombad46 posted...
That's not how it works. He absorbs actions FROM that person, not towards them


He?

You mean yourself in this context, right?

That's very nearly serving the same function as a roleblocker them, yes?
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Forceful_Dragon
12/05/18 11:56:11 AM
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Hbthebattle posted...
No, I absorb the actions that person would have taken, not any actions they can do.

Im not familiar with how roles work here. Is Lightning Rod a role in which it notifies the target of it that it was used on them, like Prosty is? My PM doesnt mention that, but Im checking anyway.


Well your version of it doesn't match anything I've found this far, but they should only be notified in so much as they receive a different result than they were expecting.
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hombad46
12/05/18 11:56:23 AM
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Forceful_Dragon posted...
hombad46 posted...
That's not how it works. He absorbs actions FROM that person, not towards them


He?

You mean yourself in this context, right?

That's very nearly serving the same function as a roleblocker them, yes?


Why would I mean myself? I'm clearly talking about HB, I even qu- wait. You don't think HB stands for hombad do you? I assure you we are not the same person
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Hbthebattle
12/05/18 11:56:40 AM
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FD, let me explain Night 2. I did not get a message of being roleblocked last night, despite using my power on Scare. Theres no real reason Scare wouldnt RB with what we know now about his role. I didnt get RBd because Scare was probably forced into inaction by Death, nullifying Scares motion to RB.
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Forceful_Dragon
12/05/18 12:02:12 PM
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hombad46 posted...
Why would I mean myself? I'm clearly talking about HB, I even qu- wait. You don't think HB stands for hombad do you? I assure you we are not the same person


I got confused, yes.

.

Hbthebattle posted...
FD, let me explain Night 2. I did not get a message of being roleblocked last night, despite using my power on Scare. Theres no real reason Scare wouldnt RB with what we know now about his role. I didnt get RBd because Scare was probably forced into inaction by Death, nullifying Scares motion to RB.


So you are a redirector who can only redirect to yourself then.

And we're calling that a lightning rod in this case for some reason.

And that means that on night 2 I have to believe that death and hb and shonen all targeted scare.

And death's roleblock managed to distort the result of two other roles.
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Hbthebattle
12/05/18 12:03:06 PM
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Forceful_Dragon posted...
Hbthebattle posted...
No, I absorb the actions that person would have taken, not any actions they can do.

Im not familiar with how roles work here. Is Lightning Rod a role in which it notifies the target of it that it was used on them, like Prosty is? My PM doesnt mention that, but Im checking anyway.


Well your version of it doesn't match anything I've found this far, but they should only be notified in so much as they receive a different result than they were expecting.

Well, thanks. It was worth checking at least.
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Hbthebattle
12/05/18 12:04:15 PM
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Forceful_Dragon posted...
hombad46 posted...
Why would I mean myself? I'm clearly talking about HB, I even qu- wait. You don't think HB stands for hombad do you? I assure you we are not the same person


I got confused, yes.

.

Hbthebattle posted...
FD, let me explain Night 2. I did not get a message of being roleblocked last night, despite using my power on Scare. Theres no real reason Scare wouldnt RB with what we know now about his role. I didnt get RBd because Scare was probably forced into inaction by Death, nullifying Scares motion to RB.


So you are a redirector who can only redirect to yourself then.

And we're calling that a lightning rod in this case for some reason.

And that means that on night 2 I have to believe that death and hb and shonen all targeted scare.

And death's roleblock managed to distort the result of two other roles.

Hey, if I had known that Death was an RBer, I wouldnt have used my ability on Scare.
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benjamin3740
12/05/18 12:05:25 PM
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Why would scum sleep with pirate the same night they're killing him?
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Forceful_Dragon
12/05/18 12:06:19 PM
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Pendragon71037 posted...
hombad46 posted...
Terra-enforcer posted...
Also for a scum team that seemingly lacks a roleblocker, town seems stacked as hell by comparison. Lightning Rod, two scanners, roleblocker, BG, protection of some kind, and whatever else has yet to be claimed.


They had a 1-shot roleblock on Scare.

Pendragon71037 posted...
Trust me guys, this isn't the lynch you want to push today. You're right that I made a mistake, but you're wrong as to why.

And, for the record, ##Vote: Shonen


Well enlighten us then, why?

I've gotta leave for work now. I'll tell you tonight, though, I promise. Just try not to hammer me before then, please.


This was pretty bullshit by the way.

You don't get to complete botch your claim.

Then say "you don't understand!".

And then NOT explain why.
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eaedwards6400
12/05/18 12:08:49 PM
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Votals
[4] Pendragon - ben, (Doop), Lolo, Shonen, Terra
[4] Shonen - hombad, Doop, Pen, Pirate
[0] FD - (Lolo)
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Forceful_Dragon
12/05/18 12:11:11 PM
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benjamin3740 posted...
Why would scum sleep with pirate the same night they're killing him?


To sell a lie of some kind?

Or with all the weirdness it's possible that Harris is scum and we straight up don't have a cop. Just a handful of lesser information roles.

It's all so dumb. Shonen's targets have been second. Pirate's targets have been pretty bad too.

If he is really that redirectorRod then at least his targets make sense.

And they confirm that if Geno is scum that at the very least he didn't send in a kill last night.
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Hbthebattle
12/05/18 12:12:10 PM
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I agree with FD here, Pens you dont understand is fishy. Luckily Im already pretty sure hes scum.
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Forceful_Dragon
12/05/18 12:18:06 PM
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Vigilante (1 shot)
Bodyguard
Roleblocker

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Cop (n1 Chris, n2 doop, n3 FD, all inno)
Prostitute (n1 FD, n2 scare, n3 Harris, all negative)
"Lightning rod" (n2 scare, n3 Geno)
+Doctor?

Vs

Jack (unblockable, roleblock, commute)

.
.

Am I missing anything?
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hombad46
12/05/18 12:24:38 PM
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Forceful_Dragon posted...

Prostitute (n1 FD, n2 scare, n3 Harris, all negative)

Am I missing anything?


Wait what?

Okay no I just checked Shonen's claim, he says Pirate used an action.
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Forceful_Dragon
12/05/18 12:28:20 PM
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Yeah, sorry, still going back through yesterday's stuff.

But that is another gripe. Shonen claims his role, but doesn't claim the actions until quite a few posts later -_-

But still that confirms Harris took an action, so if he's scum he is some kind of information role.
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Pirate_Harris
12/05/18 12:31:09 PM
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hombad46 posted...
Forceful_Dragon posted...
Neither of those are how redirects normally work. It's topically:

.

Cop - "I use my scan on A"

Host - "B is town"

.

With no explanation as to why your result was for someone else.


Oh, really? I was under the impression that cop reads were simply "guilty" or "not guilty' or some variation of that, not including the name since the cop would, in most cases, know who they targeted. Pirate, what are your messages like?

Like I said a few times before, it's says whether the person is innocent (town) or guilty (scum)... nothing else
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Forceful_Dragon
12/05/18 12:36:07 PM
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So it's a 1 word response? @Pirate_Harris
Or is it 3 words?

X

Or

Y is X
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Pirate_Harris
12/05/18 12:36:46 PM
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Forceful_Dragon posted...
So it's a 1 word response? @Pirate_Harris
Or is it 3 words?

X

Or

Y is X

Y is X
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Forceful_Dragon
12/05/18 12:41:35 PM
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Okay. It is as I said before then.

.

Meanwhile...

benjamin3740 posted...
But HB make sure to hint who you target tonight so that if you do die we have info


This is not a good post by Ben.

This is a "make sure scum can figure out who NOT to send the kill with" post.

And also pointless because 2 shots had already been claimed.
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Forceful_Dragon
12/05/18 1:00:38 PM
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I'm sure I'm probably missing some stuff:

1. Benjamin3740 - vanilla
2. Hombad (Corrik)
3. Doopliss_Power
4. geno4smash - delayed miller? (Ridley)
5. Hbthebattle - lightning rod (Pichu)
6. Lolo_Guru - vanilla (Luigi)
7. Pendragon71037 - vanilla (Yoshi)
8. Forecful_Dragon - vanilla
9. Pirate_Harris (Shad) - cop (Mario)
10. Shonen_Bat - prosty (jigglypuff)
11. Terra-enforcer
12. TheSultanOfSlam

Lemme know what's missing.

And if you haven't claimed yet, today is the day.
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geno4smash4
12/05/18 1:07:46 PM
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The more time passes the more fake I think Hb's claim is.
ScareChan
12/05/18 1:18:36 PM
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Hbthebattle
12/05/18 1:19:32 PM
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geno4smash4 posted...
The more time passes the more fake I think Hb's claim is.

Is there a reason for that?
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/05/18 1:25:03 PM
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In real life I'm in alot of pain.. I may or may not need to be replaced but I can claim and try as I can but will be alot less active then usual
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TheSultanOfSlam
12/05/18 3:09:44 PM
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Or everyone died in the last hour?
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hombad46
12/05/18 3:14:12 PM
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...
Or everyone died in the last hour?


Nah, I'm here. Sultan, what's your opinion on Shonen vs Pen?
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Hbthebattle
12/05/18 3:16:40 PM
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Still waiting on Geno for an explanation on why my claim makes no sense.

Also Im at school so Ill be less active than during the evening.
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geno4smash4
12/05/18 3:22:37 PM
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TheSultanOfSlam posted...
In real life I'm in alot of pain.. I may or may not need to be replaced but I can claim and try as I can but will be alot less active then usual

I hope you get better man, if you want to be replaced then do so and don't claim.
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