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_AdjI_ posted...

Remember that time Janway got suspended for saying he/she/it was hoping to be able to kill gay people in Hotline Miami 2?

Violence against fictional people is moddable now?
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Revelation34 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

Remember that time Janway got suspended for saying he/she/it was hoping to be able to kill gay people in Hotline Miami 2?

Violence against fictional people is moddable now?

Expressing a desire to kill minorities is.

_AdjI_ posted...

Expressing a desire to kill minorities is.

Fictional minorities.
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_AdjI_ posted...

Expressing a desire to kill minorities is.

While I doubt homosexuals are a minority, are you implying GF is fine with desires to kill members of the majority?
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Revelation34 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

Expressing a desire to kill minorities is.

Fictional minorities.

Fictional characters who depict a minority, and his desire to kill them is based on that depiction. The post was pretty clearly "I can't kill real gays so I hope this game lets me," and modding that is perfectly reasonable.

Nichtcrawler X posted...

While I doubt homosexuals are a minority,

Even the highest estimates for homosexuality's incidence cap out at around 10%, with most being lower. Homosexuals are absolutely a minority.

Nichtcrawler X posted...

are you implying GF is fine with desires to kill members of the majority?

Probably not, but that'd be a lot more awkward for somebody to express in that sort of context.

Revelation34 posted...

zebatov posted...

Yay for culture.

Not my business.

Yay for shitty culture?

@Revelation34
Well I didn't want to say it. If this is anything like 261 I'm surprised you haven't been cancelled.
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_AdjI_ posted...

Fictional characters who depict a minority, and his desire to kill them is based on that depiction. The post was pretty clearly "I can't kill real gays so I hope this game lets me," and modding that is perfectly reasonable.

Fiction will always be fiction.

zebatov posted...

@Revelation34
Well I didn't want to say it. If this is anything like 261 I'm surprised you haven't been cancelled.

This thread doesn't have 261 posts.
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Revelation34 posted...

Fiction will always be fiction.

And expressing genocidal desires will always be expressing genocidal desires.

_AdjI_ posted...

And expressing genocidal desires will always be expressing genocidal desires.

Doesn't work like that when it comes to fiction.
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Revelation34 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

And expressing genocidal desires will always be expressing genocidal desires.

Doesn't work like that when it comes to fiction.

I'm pretty sure you'll find that it does, if you consult the mod staff.

_AdjI_ posted...

I'm pretty sure you'll find that it does, if you consult the mod staff.

Mods can be wrong? This is really shocking.
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HelIWithoutSin posted...

JanwayDaahl posted...

HelIWithoutSin posted...

JanwayDaahl posted...

Nichtcrawler X posted...

JanwayDaahl posted...

I saw what you did, it still doesn't make sense. It seems you think I'm equating nationality to race, but I was just making a separate factual statement.

Many here probably assumed you are Middle-Eastern and do not know or care about the different nationalities included in that?

I do seem to remember a Yemeni PotD poster, but that was not you right?

Many here assume that because they're bigots who equate being Muslim with being Middle-Eastern, even though the religion has spread across the world, with Muslims coming from just about every race/nationality you can think of.

I think it had more to do with all of your pro Al Quaeda/Taliban/ISIS posts.

Also, I noticed you didn't answer if you were the mentioned Yemeni poster.

Pro Al Quaeda? That's funny, where are you getting that from?

I'm not saying anything about my race or nationality. I certainly never claimed to be Yemeni here, though.

From when you used to frequently post support for them years ago and get thrown in purg for the disgusting shit you'd post.

I also noticed you didn't ask where I got your pro ISIS and Taliban posts from.

I never posted support for them- but please, feel free to source your claims.
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JanwayDaahl posted...

HelIWithoutSin posted...

JanwayDaahl posted...

HelIWithoutSin posted...

JanwayDaahl posted...

Nichtcrawler X posted...

JanwayDaahl posted...

I saw what you did, it still doesn't make sense. It seems you think I'm equating nationality to race, but I was just making a separate factual statement.

Many here probably assumed you are Middle-Eastern and do not know or care about the different nationalities included in that?

I do seem to remember a Yemeni PotD poster, but that was not you right?

Many here assume that because they're bigots who equate being Muslim with being Middle-Eastern, even though the religion has spread across the world, with Muslims coming from just about every race/nationality you can think of.

I think it had more to do with all of your pro Al Quaeda/Taliban/ISIS posts.

Also, I noticed you didn't answer if you were the mentioned Yemeni poster.

Pro Al Quaeda? That's funny, where are you getting that from?

I'm not saying anything about my race or nationality. I certainly never claimed to be Yemeni here, though.

From when you used to frequently post support for them years ago and get thrown in purg for the disgusting shit you'd post.

I also noticed you didn't ask where I got your pro ISIS and Taliban posts from.

I never posted support for them- but please, feel free to source your claims.

Who is the them you're reffering to? Just Al Quaeda?
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well this got off topic fast
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_AdjI_ posted...

Remember that time Janway got suspended for saying he/she/it was hoping to be able to kill gay people in Hotline Miami 2?

Slipped my mind, wow, ok?
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Revelation34 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

I'm pretty sure you'll find that it does, if you consult the mod staff.

Mods can be wrong? This is really shocking.

They can, but that particular moderation was consistent with the ToU, so that was not an example of such an error.

_AdjI_ posted...

They can, but that particular moderation was consistent with the ToU, so that was not an example of such an error.

Doesn't matter if they're still wrong anyway. If a ToU said the earth is flat it must be true by your logic.
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Revelation34 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

They can, but that particular moderation was consistent with the ToU, so that was not an example of such an error.

Doesn't matter if they're still wrong anyway. If a ToU said the earth is flat it must be true by your logic.

If the ToU says that stating the earth is round is a moddable offense, then the mods are not wrong to mod people for saying that. The ToU should perhaps be updated to better reflect empirical reality, and a case can be made for that, but mods who mod people according to the ToU are doing their job correctly, and "the mods are wrong" is a false statement in such instances.

That said, the violation in question was unambiguously hate speech. The fact that the genocide in question was a virtual one doesn't change that, and hate speech is (and should be) moddable. Why you're defending that, I really don't know.

_AdjI_ posted...

If the ToU says that stating the earth is round is a moddable offense, then the mods are not wrong to mod people for saying that. The ToU should perhaps be updated to better reflect empirical reality, and a case can be made for that, but mods who mod people according to the ToU are doing their job correctly, and "the mods are wrong" is a false statement in such instances.

That said, the violation in question was unambiguously hate speech. The fact that the genocide in question was a virtual one doesn't change that, and hate speech is (and should be) moddable. Why you're defending that, I really don't know.

I'm defending something fictional being fictional.
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Revelation34 posted...

I'm defending something fictional being fictional.

And saying "I want to kill gay people" is not fiction. It's hate speech. With a tiny bit more direction, it becomes a terrorist threat. Killing them in a game? That's fiction, but that's not at all what Janway was modded for.

Who is the them you're reffering to? Just Al Quaeda?

All of the groups you've mentioned. Still waiting on that source.
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JanwayDaahl posted...

Who is the them you're reffering to? Just Al Quaeda?

All of the groups you've mentioned. Still waiting on that source.

If we're lucky, someone took screenshots of them, or you can go through your mod messages to refresh your memory. Focus around 2013-2014. I remember a few years ago, you disappeared for several months and I was wondering if the NSA's New Jersey field office finally picked you up because of them.
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I don't remember the exact context, but I do recall Janway saying something to the effect of "The west has it coming" in regards to ISIS' attacks on a number of occasions. Not explicit support, per se, and they made a point of saying so at the time, but definitely sympathy.

_AdjI_ posted...

And saying "I want to kill gay people" is not fiction. It's hate speech. With a tiny bit more direction, it becomes a terrorist threat. Killing them in a game? That's fiction, but that's not at all what Janway was modded for.

Here's your exact quote. "Remember that time Janway got suspended for saying he/she/it was hoping to be able to kill gay people in Hotline Miami 2?"

At least you tried.
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HelIWithoutSin posted...

JanwayDaahl posted...

Who is the them you're reffering to? Just Al Quaeda?

All of the groups you've mentioned. Still waiting on that source.

If we're lucky, someone took screenshots of them, or you can go through your mod messages to refresh your memory. Focus around 2013-2014. I remember a few years ago, you disappeared for several months and I was wondering if the NSA's New Jersey field office finally picked you up because of them.

You're the one who made the idiotic claim, now back it up. Or are you just going to do what most SJWs do when they want to smear someone's name by making unsubstantiated claims? I do genuinely disdain the US military or anyone who participated in the willing murder of innocents abroad for their natural resources and to further nationalist interests. I hope they suffer miserably in this life and the next for what they've done. PTSD is the least that they deserve.
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Revelation34 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

And saying "I want to kill gay people" is not fiction. It's hate speech. With a tiny bit more direction, it becomes a terrorist threat. Killing them in a game? That's fiction, but that's not at all what Janway was modded for.

Here's your exact quote. "Remember that time Janway got suspended for saying he/she/it was hoping to be able to kill gay people in Hotline Miami 2?"

At least you tried.

_AdjI_ posted...

saying "I want to kill gay people" is not fiction. It's hate speech.

_AdjI_ posted...

he/she/it was hoping to be able to kill gay people

Now, from where I'm standing, "[they] want to kill gay people" and "[they] were hoping to be able to kill gay people" are more or less equivalent phrases. You're welcome to demonstrate why you believe otherwise, but bear in mind that most thesauruses would frown on such efforts as being futile and misguided.

JanwayDaahl posted...

You're the one who made the idiotic claim, now back it up. Or are you just going to do what most SJWs do when they want to smear someone's name by making unsubstantiated claims?

How? Those posts are long one. Also, why are you so worried about being smeared all of a sudden? Remember, you don't care what a bunch of neckbeards think of you? No need to be shy about your disgusting views now.

How about this? How do you feel about Al Quaeda, the Taliban, and ISIS and their methods?
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HelIWithoutSin posted...

JanwayDaahl posted...

You're the one who made the idiotic claim, now back it up. Or are you just going to do what most SJWs do when they want to smear someone's name by making unsubstantiated claims?

How? Those posts are long one. Also, why are you so worried about being smeared all of a sudden? Remember, you don't care what a bunch of neckbeards think of you? No need to be shy about your disgusting views now.

How about this? How do you feel about Al Quaeda, the Taliban, and ISIS and their methods?

First you make some weird claim that I support terrorists, then you claim that I disappeared out of some hope that I was questioned by the NSA in NJ (idk why you assume that's where I'm from), then you fail to provide proof for your claim, and now you're asking me to tell you what I think.

As much as I want to reply to the question, I'll let you dig up your supposed evidence. But I know you won't give any, because you're lying and manipulative.
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JanwayDaahl posted...

HelIWithoutSin posted...

JanwayDaahl posted...

You're the one who made the idiotic claim, now back it up. Or are you just going to do what most SJWs do when they want to smear someone's name by making unsubstantiated claims?

How? Those posts are long one. Also, why are you so worried about being smeared all of a sudden? Remember, you don't care what a bunch of neckbeards think of you? No need to be shy about your disgusting views now.

How about this? How do you feel about Al Quaeda, the Taliban, and ISIS and their methods?

First you make some weird claim that I support terrorists, then you claim that I disappeared out of some hope that I was questioned by the NSA in NJ (idk why you assume that's where I'm from), then you fail to provide proof for your claim, and now you're asking me to tell you what I think.

As much as I want to reply to the question, I'll let you dig up your supposed evidence. But I know you won't give any, because you're lying and manipulative.

Again, how do you propose I produce long deleted posts? And again, you said you don't care what neckbeards think of you, so why does it matter so much to you that I think you're an Indonesian immigrant (or from near there) that was going to school and living in NJ with your brother and ailing grandmother that was modded several times for posts supporting terrorists? Remember that? Back when you were using male pronouns?

Don't you think a simple way to shut me down is to condemn those groups? I mean, how can you go wrong saying you're against Al Quaeda, the Taliban, and ISIS? Or are you worried they'll see and you won't get that promotion?
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HelIWithoutSin posted...

JanwayDaahl posted...

HelIWithoutSin posted...

JanwayDaahl posted...

You're the one who made the idiotic claim, now back it up. Or are you just going to do what most SJWs do when they want to smear someone's name by making unsubstantiated claims?

How? Those posts are long one. Also, why are you so worried about being smeared all of a sudden? Remember, you don't care what a bunch of neckbeards think of you? No need to be shy about your disgusting views now.

How about this? How do you feel about Al Quaeda, the Taliban, and ISIS and their methods?

First you make some weird claim that I support terrorists, then you claim that I disappeared out of some hope that I was questioned by the NSA in NJ (idk why you assume that's where I'm from), then you fail to provide proof for your claim, and now you're asking me to tell you what I think.

As much as I want to reply to the question, I'll let you dig up your supposed evidence. But I know you won't give any, because you're lying and manipulative.

Again, how do you propose I produce long deleted posts? And again, you said you don't care what neckbeards think of you, so why does it matter so much to you that I think you're an Indonesian immigrant (or from near there) that was going to school and living in NJ with your brother and ailing grandmother that was modded several times for posts supporting terrorists? Remember that? Back when you were using male pronouns?

Don't you think a simple way to shut me down is to condemn those groups? I mean, how can you go wrong saying you're against Al Quaeda, the Taliban, and ISIS? Or are you worried they'll see and you won't get that promotion?

More lies, more deception, zero proof.
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JanwayDaahl posted...

HelIWithoutSin posted...

JanwayDaahl posted...

HelIWithoutSin posted...

JanwayDaahl posted...

You're the one who made the idiotic claim, now back it up. Or are you just going to do what most SJWs do when they want to smear someone's name by making unsubstantiated claims?

How? Those posts are long one. Also, why are you so worried about being smeared all of a sudden? Remember, you don't care what a bunch of neckbeards think of you? No need to be shy about your disgusting views now.

How about this? How do you feel about Al Quaeda, the Taliban, and ISIS and their methods?

First you make some weird claim that I support terrorists, then you claim that I disappeared out of some hope that I was questioned by the NSA in NJ (idk why you assume that's where I'm from), then you fail to provide proof for your claim, and now you're asking me to tell you what I think.

As much as I want to reply to the question, I'll let you dig up your supposed evidence. But I know you won't give any, because you're lying and manipulative.

Again, how do you propose I produce long deleted posts? And again, you said you don't care what neckbeards think of you, so why does it matter so much to you that I think you're an Indonesian immigrant (or from near there) that was going to school and living in NJ with your brother and ailing grandmother that was modded several times for posts supporting terrorists? Remember that? Back when you were using male pronouns?

Don't you think a simple way to shut me down is to condemn those groups? I mean, how can you go wrong saying you're against Al Quaeda, the Taliban, and ISIS? Or are you worried they'll see and you won't get that promotion?

More lies, more deception, zero proof.

I guess people will have to make up their own minds.
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I can say that, even without having been present for the statement in question, I'd be a lot more inclined to believe that somebody who supports the law about which this topic was made is sympathetic to ISIS or other militant Islamic groups than I would somebody with less hyper-conservative Muslim values. Now, I was present for the statement in question, so my opinion's going to be a bit biased in that regard, but I don't think it'd change that much if I didn't have that experience.

If you want to be less direct in your questioning, you could always ask Janway what their views are on Malala Yousafzi. I feel like that could be an illuminating inquiry, if they aren't too afraid to answer it.

_AdjI_ posted...

Now, from where I'm standing, "[they] want to kill gay people" and "[they] were hoping to be able to kill gay people" are more or less equivalent phrases. You're welcome to demonstrate why you believe otherwise, but bear in mind that most thesauruses would frown on such efforts as being futile and misguided.

Except you keep purposely removing the fiction part. Again, at least you tried.
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_AdjI_ posted...

If you want to be less direct in your questioning, you could always ask Janway what their views are on Malala Yousafzi

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ClarkDuke posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

If you want to be less direct in your questioning, you could always ask Janway what their views are on Malala Yousafzi

Malala Yousafzi is a political puppet used by the West to further its own interests in the region. There are plenty of other children who were attacked by terrorists who were not targeted for praise in the same overt manner that she was. Add to this her father's past and it becomes a clearer picture. No wonder many Pakistanis are also skeptical of her (or so I've been told from some friends)
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Revelation34 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

Now, from where I'm standing, "[they] want to kill gay people" and "[they] were hoping to be able to kill gay people" are more or less equivalent phrases. You're welcome to demonstrate why you believe otherwise, but bear in mind that most thesauruses would frown on such efforts as being futile and misguided.

Except you keep purposely removing the fiction part. Again, at least you tried.

Wanting to kill gay people (or any people that aren't a serious threat to the safety of the world around them, for that matter) is not a view that should be tolerated, regardless of whether or not that desire has a virtual outlet. I have no problems with treating the people espousing such views as the subhuman garbage they are.

JanwayDaahl posted...

Malala Yousafzi is a political puppet used by the West to further its own interests in the region. There are plenty of other children who were attacked by terrorists who were not targeted for praise in the same overt manner that she was. Add to this her father's past and it becomes a clearer picture. No wonder many Pakistanis are also skeptical of her (or so I've been told from some friends)

Uh huh. I think that should answer your question pretty well, Hell-dude.

_AdjI_ posted...

Wanting to kill gay people (or any people that aren't a serious threat to the safety of the world around them, for that matter) is not a view that should be tolerated, regardless of whether or not that desire has a virtual outlet. I have no problems with treating the people espousing such views as the subhuman garbage they are.

If somebody specifically mentions fiction then that's as far as it goes.

JanwayDaahl posted...

Malala Yousafzi is a political puppet used by the West to further its own interests in the region. There are plenty of other children who were attacked by terrorists who were not targeted for praise in the same overt manner that she was. Add to this her father's past and it becomes a clearer picture. No wonder many Pakistanis are also skeptical of her (or so I've been told from some friends)

Lol.
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Revelation34 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

Wanting to kill gay people (or any people that aren't a serious threat to the safety of the world around them, for that matter) is not a view that should be tolerated, regardless of whether or not that desire has a virtual outlet. I have no problems with treating the people espousing such views as the subhuman garbage they are.

If somebody specifically mentions fiction then that's as far as it goes.

JanwayDaahl posted...

Malala Yousafzi is a political puppet used by the West to further its own interests in the region. There are plenty of other children who were attacked by terrorists who were not targeted for praise in the same overt manner that she was. Add to this her father's past and it becomes a clearer picture. No wonder many Pakistanis are also skeptical of her (or so I've been told from some friends)

Lol.

Still doing that liberal thing where you don't really make any sort of argument.
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JanwayDaahl posted...

Still doing that liberal thing where you don't really make any sort of argument.

So if I was yelling about being pro-life would it be a conservative thing?
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_AdjI_ posted...

Uh huh. I think that should answer your question pretty well, Hell-dude.

Absolutely.
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Revelation34 posted...

If somebody specifically mentions fiction then that's as far as it goes.

You don't think that "I like X game because I get to kill Y people" should be considered a red flag for potential future violent behaviour? Or that Y people should feel threatened by such a statement? Remember that this is not simply a matter of somebody enjoying a game where they kill Y people. It's a question of motivation and the statements of hatred and violent desire that are concerning and discouraged.

How is this topic still going?

_AdjI_ posted...

You don't think that "I like X game because I get to kill Y people" should be considered a red flag for potential future violent behaviour? Or that Y people should feel threatened by such a statement? Remember that this is not simply a matter of somebody enjoying a game where they kill Y people. It's a question of motivation and the statements of hatred and violent desire that are concerning and discouraged.

So then by your logic anybody who has ever played a violent video game is a murderer.
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Revelation34 posted...

So then by your logic anybody who has ever played a violent video game is a murderer.

_AdjI_ posted...

Remember that this is not simply a matter of somebody enjoying a game where they kill Y people.

_AdjI_ posted...

Revelation34 posted...

So then by your logic anybody who has ever played a violent video game is a murderer.

_AdjI_ posted...

Remember that this is not simply a matter of somebody enjoying a game where they kill Y people.

Nah same logic.
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Revelation34 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

Revelation34 posted...

So then by your logic anybody who has ever played a violent video game is a murderer.

_AdjI_ posted...

Remember that this is not simply a matter of somebody enjoying a game where they kill Y people.

Nah same logic.

Oh really? Do elaborate.

_AdjI_ posted...

Oh really? Do elaborate.

"You don't think that "I like X game because I get to kill Y people" should be considered a red flag for potential future violent behaviour? "
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Revelation34 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

Oh really? Do elaborate.

"You don't think that "I like X game because I get to kill Y people" should be considered a red flag for potential future violent behaviour? "

And do you think that liking a game because the the specific people you get to kill is the only reason somebody could like a game? And that "red flag for potential future violent behaviour" is synonymous with "they're currently a murderer"? Because that's what your statement suggests you believe, despite the fact that those are very silly things to believe.

_AdjI_ posted...

And do you think that liking a game because the the specific people you get to kill is the only reason somebody could like a game? And that "red flag for potential future violent behaviour" is synonymous with "they're currently a murderer"? Because that's what your statement suggests you believe, despite the fact that those are very silly things to believe.

Just because somebody kills something in a game doesn't mean they will in real life. There is no such thing as "potential future violent behavior" because you play a game.
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