Board 8 > Survivor: David vs. Goliath Discussion Topic 3: Return of the Jacketgate

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Inviso
11/29/18 6:12:02 PM
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Natalie, can I have your jacket? - Results (4 votes)
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Natalie, can I have your jacket?
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I guess not.
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Because there needs to be a poll, but apparently we can't ask who we all think will win.
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Peridiam
11/29/18 6:16:33 PM
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I hung out with Lisa from Survivor: New Zealand 2 yesterday. Was very cool.

if you like survivor youll enjoy that season
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eaedwards6400
11/29/18 10:03:50 PM
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We can't ask who we think will win?
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Inviso
11/29/18 10:06:53 PM
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eaedwards6400 posted...
We can't ask who we think will win?


Apparently not.
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Commodore
11/29/18 10:19:59 PM
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The Mana Sword
11/29/18 10:22:27 PM
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Pokewars
11/29/18 10:26:02 PM
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The jacket will win.
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Nameless2000
11/29/18 10:31:17 PM
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Pokewars posted...
The jacket will win.

My money is on John's jacket.
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eaedwards6400
11/29/18 10:32:23 PM
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Inviso posted...
eaedwards6400 posted...
We can't ask who we think will win?


Apparently not.


Why not?
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Espeon
11/30/18 10:37:26 AM
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eaedwards6400 posted...
Inviso posted...
eaedwards6400 posted...
We can't ask who we think will win?


Apparently not.


Why not?


Ask Burke.
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eaedwards6400
11/30/18 3:14:46 PM
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You should have done it anyways.
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Underleveled
11/30/18 10:13:07 PM
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6 episodes into my Cambodia rewatch.

Not to take away from how good he was in Pearl Islands, but holy shit Savage is unbearable in this season. Like, maybe all time bottom 10 worthy.
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eaedwards6400
11/30/18 11:13:16 PM
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He is having sincere human moments! Playing old school man
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GTM
12/01/18 12:32:32 AM
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wimpy little non-leader
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Omniscientless
12/01/18 1:52:19 AM
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I love Savage in Cambodia. Such a great villain. One of the highlights of the season for me. The editors buried him from his very first confessional.
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Naye745
12/01/18 4:44:25 AM
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savage was an a-hole both times, i think he's a good character but he was never very likeable from a fan perspective at any point imho!!
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eaedwards6400
12/01/18 5:18:18 PM
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Naye745 posted...
savage was an a-hole both times, i think he's a good character but he was never very likeable from a fan perspective at any point imho!!


I was a fan of the Morgan's comeback story.
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SexThaNemesis
12/01/18 5:42:25 PM
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I don't remember Savage being toooo bad other than his story about his wife in the premiere.

I remember actually thinking he was pretty badass winning the solo reward challenge against Terry and...was it Jeremy?
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CoolCly
12/01/18 9:47:18 PM
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oh damn i just watched the two hour episode

there was so many great things here i dont know where to start

Christian continues to be the best

I think Gabby sucks and is not going to succeed

it's incredible that Carl managed to go from a non entity all season to believing himself to be the boss so hard that it convinced everyone else that he's a big target that needs to go. he used his nullifier at a great moment but besides that i think he was a pretty bad player in basically every possible way.

My ranking of people in order of who should win

1. Christian
2. Nick
3. Mike
4. Angelina
5. Davie
6. Alison
7. Kara
8. Gabby

Christian is just amazing. he's got such a weird outsider personality but somehow everyone he talks to warms up to him and loves him. He's very strong strategically and at challenges. He just has such a strong will power. Alec was determined to win that challenge and refused to lose. There was no way he would lose to someone like Gabby. He looked at her struggling and decided he wouldn't lose to her, despite being so uncomfortable himself. He decided the same thing with Christian. But then at the end, when he tried to talk Christian into dropping by saying how he's at risk and Christian isn't, Christian looked him dead in the eye and said "I know. And I'm sorry. But this is my chance too" and you can see Alec realize that his will power is not strong enough to defeat Christians. He wasn't physically unable to continue... he just realized he can't win and walked off. He walked off to stare into the ocean to reflect on the loss he just suffered. What a powerful moment. I really think Christian has what it takes to win it all, and I have to imagine he has Alec's vote.

Nick has just played very well ever since he luckily made it through week 1. He's played both sides, he has an idol, he spreads information around when it suits him and holds onto it when it doesn't. He makes alliances with everyone and solidifies them with names. He's orchestrated several big moves throughout the season but never becomes public enemy for them. I think he's *almost* as good as Alec was. they were very similar players, Alec was just playing from the side of strength( the Goliaths) while Nick was playing from the side of weakness (the Davids). The only thing about Nick I'm iffy about is that he was accepting Carls orders and got left out of the blindside by Christian. But still, I think he's by far the second best player in the game right now

Mike has been flip floppy at times when he needed to committ, so he's not in as strong as position as he should be. But still, Mike has consistently found himself in positions to decide what's going to happen and even if he sometimes makes the wrong choice, he has a lot of activity on his resume. Everyone loves him, and he continues to be a deciding player. I've always had a high opinion of Mike and I think he really can win the game. But he's definitely below Christian and Nick
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CoolCly
12/01/18 9:47:22 PM
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Angelina is probably at the bottom of most peoples prospects but she's been through SO MUCH and is still around. A couple votes ago I remember thinking "if she somehow makes it to the end after all of this drama, she'll earn some votes for sure" and here she is. Unfortunately she's yet again on the wrong side of the vote, and people ultimately may not respect her, but her negotiation play was pretty cool. no matter what happens, she's a very memorable piece of how this merge has unfolded and that might stick in peoples minds. I would love it if Angelina won somehow.

Davie made that sick idol play and has done a few cool things, but ultimately he's not someone we see often making good social or strategic moves. While I could see him getting to the end, I'm not so sure he will, and even if he does I don't think he'll win.

Alison and Kara are very strategic and always having conversations but they are ultimately very ineffective. Based on the edit I think Alison is getting to the end and might even win, but I don't really think either have earned it at this point. They are just really good at talking out how they aren't in a great position.

Gabby is definitely devious and more than the helpless little child she pretends to be. I don't think her moves are nearly as effective she she believes they are though. She just has the same few repetitive moves that mostly involve crying and relying on Christian, so even if she is secretly this calculating manipulative genius, it isn't amounting to much. I certainly wouldn't give her credit for the Carl blindside, though I see some people on reddit doing that. If she really does blindside Christian next week, that would be a big feather in her cap and would shoot her up the list. I think Christian is going to sniff it out and get her out instead though. Also I'd be super salty if she actually took down Christian.

Overall though this cast is amazing and with Carl out I'd be happy with any one of these players winning. It's been a great season.
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Underleveled
12/02/18 10:37:37 AM
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My order of who I WANT to win (note: NOT necessarily reflective of my favorites list):

Angelina > Christian > Nick > Gabby > Davie > Kara > Allison > Mike
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Naye745
12/02/18 1:27:05 PM
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i want gabby to win to stick it to all the haters tbqh
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Inviso
12/02/18 1:57:38 PM
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In terms of who I WANT to win:

Angelina > Gabby > Kara > Christian (I can't justify ranking Alison over him, no matter how much I'm rooting for a female winner) > Alison > Davie > Nick > Mike
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Maniac64
12/02/18 3:17:44 PM
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Who I want to win.

Christian > Nick > Davie > Kara > Gabby > Alison > Angelina > Mike
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GTM
12/02/18 5:09:28 PM
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who I want to win, same note as darkx
Angelina > Gabby > Davie > Alison > Nick > Kara > Christian > Mike
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Mega Mana
12/02/18 5:43:26 PM
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Davie is someone I wish did win because his edit would be glorious. I'm sad he doesn't get to shine more.
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Naye745
12/02/18 7:51:23 PM
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kara is the only one i dont want to see win, i think she's boring

i might respect it in a michele fitzgerald kind of way after some time but i also thought she was a lot more charismatic during the season at this point
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Peridiam
12/02/18 9:07:54 PM
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Michele was pretty bad in confessionals, definitely rooting for Kara more than Id rooted for Michele. Michele did have a few decent ones but overall a bit lacking.
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GTM
12/02/18 9:09:57 PM
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the only two I remember from michele are the soundbites. bro I know and malarky
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Naye745
12/02/18 9:25:14 PM
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so uh...what's kara got that's particularly special? she comes across as rather rigid and gamebotty imo but i'm happy to hear some other takes haha
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Underleveled
12/02/18 11:20:48 PM
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By the way now that I'm past his boot I'll explain my hatred for Savage 2.0

-He went into the season hating Stephen Fishbach for seemingly no reason and spent the entire time calling him out for shit that everyone else including himself was doing (strategizing, plotting blindsides, looking for idols, accusing others of looking for idols, etc.). Usually this would follow some sort of "emotional" moment from him (talking about his family, being joyous over winning a reward). He was also like this with Spencer to a much lesser but still noticeable degree (mostly because Stephen was in his core alliance and Spencer was only in his extended alliance). This, combined with his poor treatment of Ryan S in Pearl Islands, makes me think that he just has a type of guy that he hates and won't even give a chance, and that pisses me off.

-But Stephen wasn't the only thing he was a hypocrite about. For example, at the second swap he had a confessional about how happy he was that there was going to be another swap, then he ended up with almost all the same people and immediately had another confessional about how happy he was with the result.

-And yet all of this happened among Savage constantly getting these positive, heroic moments, like the family story and winning the hero challenge against Jeremy and Terry, so much like Jason in Kaoh-Rong he got to be a terrible bitter asshole (and not just to the nerds; half of his confessionals were about how pissed off he was at someone/something) while still being portrayed as somewhat of a hero to the audience.

-Oh, and his blindside happened so fast that it wasn't as satisfying as it should have been. That moment was all about Wentworth. So he doesn't even get the "great comeuppance/fall arc" factor that some other such characters get.

I'd really have to go back and redo my full list to be sure, but I could easily see him landing in my all-time bottom 10.
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eaedwards6400
12/03/18 8:15:54 PM
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Rebuttal to point 1: he ended up working with Stephan and to top that off Stephan was also the first member of his tribe to look for an idol too.

Rebuttal to point 2: that's actually an example of growth. He is so anti twist because of his first season and then surviving the awfulness that was Ankor he turned around on swaps. Seems reasonable to me.

Rebuttal to point 3: Savage us blunt and your typical alpha Male. There is no denying it but to put him in the same sentence as Jason in terms of being asshole you are just showing your cards too much because I dont think Savage can even be in that same conversation

Rebuttal to point 4: if you dont like the Wenteotth idol play then you are just looking for another thing to peg on this guy. We get it. You dont like him.

Frankly, it feels as if you're looking for excuses to make him bottom 10.

So a second ago I said I you were wrong. What I should have said was I disagree heavily and this will be all I say on the subject.
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Naye745
12/03/18 9:56:40 PM
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i am sort of in between both of you lmao

like i think savage was kind of a pain in the ass for all the reasons enumerated, but at the same time i don't find him nearly offensive enough to be one of my most loathed players
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Inviso
12/04/18 6:39:48 PM
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See, I can appreciate Andrew SOMEWHAT in Pearl Islands, because his tribe sucked. But Cambodia, he was just such a sour asshole that I couldn't enjoy whatsoever.
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Underleveled
12/04/18 10:04:34 PM
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Okay rewatch done.

1. Abi
2. Keith
3. Wentworth
4. Ciera
5. Kass
6. Terry
7. Jeremy
8-19. *conducts the meh-lelujah chorus*
20. Savage

There were some redeeming episodes in the mid merge (the Savage through Joe boot episodes) but entire first half and the ending was just not a season tailored to me. If you like it, fine, but this one can never ever ever be more than high-end of low-tier for me.
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The Mana Sword
12/05/18 8:09:02 PM
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your mom isnt on the jury, Angelina
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Inviso
12/05/18 8:12:52 PM
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1. This episode feels so much more human and emotional and touching than the crap from Ghost Island.

2. Angelina is hilariously fake, even with her own mother.
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QJD1381
12/05/18 8:21:57 PM
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So Gabby turns on Christian as soon as it turns out he has a girlfriend. Really makes ya think.
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Inviso
12/05/18 8:35:11 PM
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Yay Kara!

Literally the first time all season when she has done something that the editors HAD to show.
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Pokewars
12/05/18 8:40:17 PM
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Cue more crying.
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The Mana Sword
12/05/18 8:41:06 PM
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spoiler alert to gabby: you arent winning either way
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Inviso
12/05/18 8:46:31 PM
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You wanna know something, @eaedwards6400? This is the most I've liked Nick since episode 1. It's nice to see him bitter and spiteful (and that attitude happens to coincide with intelligent gameplay.)
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QJD1381
12/05/18 8:50:23 PM
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Inviso posted...
You wanna know something, @eaedwards6400? This is the most I've liked Nick since episode 1. It's nice to see him bitter and spiteful (and that attitude happens to coincide with intelligent gameplay.)

Being blatant that you're bitter and spiteful is not intelligent gameplay. Sadly Christian is acting oblivious despite Nick not even looking him in the face during their whole conversation, so Nick is getting away with it.
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Inviso
12/05/18 8:51:08 PM
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I should say intelligent MOVES. Going after Christian is a smart move.
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Pokewars
12/05/18 8:57:32 PM
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The Mana Sword
12/05/18 8:58:41 PM
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christian is toast next week without immunity

also I feel like we keep hearing about how much Alison needs to go every week but I dont really get it
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Inviso
12/05/18 9:01:21 PM
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The boot wasn't great, but the fact that this entire episode was less "Survivor: David vs. Goliath" and more "The Christian Hubicki/Gabby Pascuzzi Power Hour" was kinda meh.
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Underleveled
12/05/18 9:01:40 PM
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I'm surprised and not.

Up until tonight I thought Gabby was a F3 goat, but i realized pretty quickly tonight that she was going home.
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The Mana Sword
12/05/18 9:05:24 PM
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what are you talking about Inviso, didnt you hear Jeff say the final two of the immunity challenge came down to DAVID VS GOLIATH
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eaedwards6400
12/05/18 9:11:22 PM
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I started too late to watch live with you guys. I liked that one but it was a little Christian vs Gabby but I guess that's what you have to do without giving away the vote because they only mentioned what they actually did one time and I bet everyone's confessionals are filled with the actual plan.

Also, I still hate her, but I think Angelina is evolving from goat to potential winner.

Also, this is a silly thing I would have like to see more family people. We had a lot of moms and on locations this time. I would have liked to see a husband/wife or someone who is a parent but that's just me.

Also, vis, see! Gamebots are people too!
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