Board 8 > Nationalist politics topic 12: Pack your bags!

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Don't worry, neither does he.
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Vlado posted...

do you think Trump is not building the wall because there's really no money for it? Please)

So you dont believe him when he says its already well underway?
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

i don't get how you can say something like this after making post #33. you're ecstatic about vox winning in spain and your only reaction to daz' comments is "LOL DELICIOUS GLOBALIST TEARS." but what if daz is saying these things precisely BECAUSE she's a socialist who fears that capitalism is going to run rampant in spain now and poverty is going to become a bigger problem (an understandable fear, given that a right-wing party has just won)? that it has nothing to do with globalism?

this is the gist of what i was saying in post #39. whenever you look at a political news story, you only look at it through a "globalism/nationalism" lens, but there's many other ways to look at it.

Priorities. Stopping globalism is more important and more urgent, and that putz Sanchez is letting Africa into Spain as we speak. That is GRAVE danger to the country, FAR BIGGER danger than poverty.

Jakyl25 posted...

Evidence that they arent good people?

Is that really what I said?

Kenri posted...

Last topic you were explicitly in favor of this. Make up your mind.

No, I wasn't.

Kenri posted...

Vlado: If people immigrate to a country, it'll cause the rise of an authoritarian police state "for the public good" that destroys all freedom.

I said that would happen if globalists ruled the country (which is how the migration would be allowed in the first place).

Kenri posted...

Also Vlado: anyway there are too many immigrants so i'll support this authoritarian police state trying to get rid of them, even if it destroys all freedom in the process. it's for the public good.

Removing illegal immigrants is not "authoritarian police state," it's literally doing what's right. Them being in Italy at all is what is destroying the freedom of Italians.

Jakyl25 posted...

So you dont believe him when he says its already well underway?

Facts trump what someone I like said.
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Vlado coming to the realization the wall isn't happening is the best thing in his topics so far.

Yeah, it's because he's got 'more important' things to do, like tweet on the shitter and worry about the fact that his administration is circling the drain.

Also he doesn't have money for it.

Trump would easily use the military budget for the wall if he wanted and was allowed to build it. The latter is not the case, however. Maybe the former, too.
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Vlado posted...

Trump would easily use the military budget for the wall if he wanted

Not really.
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The idea that he could use the military budget for it was from QAnon wasnt it?
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I mean it would literally require congressional approval, he cannot unilaterally decide how government funding is allocated.
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Vlado posted...

No, I wasn't.

Last topic you said totalitarianism is fine within a single country. If someone bothers to archive your horseshit topics I'm sure they can prove it. Anyway your whole position is still predicated on this being true so I'm not sure why you're pretending it's not something you believe?

Vlado posted...

Removing illegal immigrants is not "authoritarian police state," it's literally doing what's right. Them being in Italy at all is what is destroying the freedom of Italians.

Which freedoms, exactly, are being destroyed? And how?
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TheRock1525 posted...

Not really.

Yes, really.

Kenri posted...

Last topic you said totalitarianism is fine within a single country.

I said it's infinitely better than interventionism, yes. Not that it's a good thing for the country in question. Therefore, I was never "in favour" of it.

Kenri posted...

Which freedoms, exactly, are being destroyed? And how?

The freedom to live in a safe country with your compatriots without having to fear for your daughter if she goes out at night, for example. You know, the way European civilisation has always functioned.

Meanwhile, clinton's speaking tour is an utter failure, to the surprise of absolutely nobody. Look at the dems nominate her again in 2020.

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Vlado posted...

The freedom to live in a safe country with your compatriots without having to fear for your daughter if she goes out at night, for example. You know, the way European civilisation has always functioned.

lol

bulgaria must be a nice country if you guys have never had to deal with women getting sexually assaulted in bars and clubs and on streets on saturday nights.
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When the odds go up from 1:50000 to 1:50, you cannot help being worried. It is a massive psychological attack, the damage from which is immeasurable.
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Vlado posted...

Yes, really.

You literally don't have a clue on how the US government works, do you?
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TheRock1525 posted...

Vlado posted...

Yes, really.

You literally don't have a clue on how the US government works, do you?

Just by repeating your nonsense in several posts, you won't suddenly make it true. Congress votes on the budget, but once it's approved, the president can allocate it as he sees fit. Sorry to burst your bubble that Trump is voldermort (or however it was spelt) and the globalist puppets in congress are harry potter and gang stopping this arch-villain from the heinous act of defending his country and its citizens.
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Vlado posted...

Congress votes on the budget, but once it's approved, the president can allocate it as he sees fit.

That is literally not how it works. Congressional budgets are approved with itemization of what goes where. It's why when he approves $716 billion for the military, it's not a nebulous amount he gets to pick and choose what goes where. Its allocated to various departments for various projects, payment of soldiers, etc.

The Executive Branch may not spend a dime without Congress giving it permission. While appropriations bills largely skip the programmatic details, apart from directing large-scale programs like aircraft and ships, the National Defense Authorization Act includes detailed funding tables specifying exactly how the Pentagon is to use the appropriations for each account (personnel, procurement, operations and maintenance, etc.).

Congress doesnt pull this information out of the air; its largely built from the DODs detailed budget justification documents that accompany the presidents budget submission each February. These documents are based on each programs Program Objective Memorandum, the POM, which lays out the money required for the next five years. Budget justification documents, especially for the procurement accounts, include very detailed information on how programs will use their dollars, and when.

So for once just admit you're wrong and don't know what you're talking about.
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Vlado posted...

When the odds go up from 1:50000 to 1:50,

again, lol. only someone who has absolutely no idea what has been going on in clubs and bars on weekends would spout this "europe was so safe and pristine and nice before the immigrants ruined everything!" bullshit.

you may have a point about the REPORTED number of sexual assault crimes having been low (though not "1:50000" low, that's ridiculous). tons of these crimes have always gone unreported, though thanks to the #metoo revolution there's more women (and men) speaking out, fortunately. anyone who's only slightly familiar with nightlife culture should know what's really going on, though.

this is exactly what always pissed me off about the ridiculous overreaction to the new year's eve controversy in cologne. "omg germany was such a nice country and now those evil refugee rapists are ruining everything!" yes, it's obviously horrible and disgusting that a few immigrants raped a few german women. but as someone who knows several women who were sexually assaulted by dutch white men, i wish those cases got a modicum of the outrage the rapes in cologne did. sexual assault is a gigantic problem, and we're not solving it by solely putting the blame on immigrants while acting like europeans are all wonderful and innocent people.

also, if you care this much about sexual assault, you shouldn't defend kavanaugh as passionately as you do.
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TheRock1525 posted...

Vlado posted...

Congress votes on the budget, but once it's approved, the president can allocate it as he sees fit.

That is literally not how it works. Congressional budgets are approved with itemization of what goes where. It's why when he approves $716 billion for the military, it's not a nebulous amount he gets to pick and choose what goes where. Its allocated to various departments for various projects, payment of soldiers, etc.

The Executive Branch may not spend a dime without Congress giving it permission. While appropriations bills largely skip the programmatic details, apart from directing large-scale programs like aircraft and ships, the National Defense Authorization Act includes detailed funding tables specifying exactly how the Pentagon is to use the appropriations for each account (personnel, procurement, operations and maintenance, etc.).

Congress doesnt pull this information out of the air; its largely built from the DODs detailed budget justification documents that accompany the presidents budget submission each February. These documents are based on each programs Program Objective Memorandum, the POM, which lays out the money required for the next five years. Budget justification documents, especially for the procurement accounts, include very detailed information on how programs will use their dollars, and when.

So for once just admit you're wrong and don't know what you're talking about.

How does what you quoted contradict what I said? He simply needs to use funds from the most fitting category for the wall. The fact is, for one reason or another, he doesn't do it.

Mr Lasastryke posted...

Vlado posted...

When the odds go up from 1:50000 to 1:50,

again, lol. only someone who has absolutely no idea what has been going on in clubs and bars on weekends would spout this "europe was so safe and pristine and nice before the immigrants ruined everything!" bullshit.

you may have a point about the REPORTED number of sexual assault crimes having been low (though not "1:50000" low, that's ridiculous). tons of these crimes have always gone unreported, though thanks to the #metoo revolution there's more women (and men) speaking out, fortunately. anyone who's only slightly familiar with nightlife culture should know what's really going on, though.

this is exactly what always pissed me off about the ridiculous overreaction to the new year's eve controversy in cologne. "omg germany was such a nice country and now those evil refugee rapists are ruining everything!" yes, it's obviously horrible and disgusting that a few immigrants raped a few german women. but as someone who knows several women who were sexually assaulted by dutch white men, i wish those cases got a modicum of the outrage the rapes in cologne did. sexual assault is a gigantic problem, and we're not solving it by solely putting the blame on immigrants while acting like europeans are all wonderful and innocent people.

also, if you care this much about sexual assault, you shouldn't defend kavanaugh as passionately as you do.

It was absolutely WAY safer. I have posted clear studies before - "diversity" WRECKS societal trust. Of course, many countries like UK, France, even Germany and The Netherlands to some extent, already had "diversity," so societal trust was already brought down to a great extent before Merkel's idiocy.

It's not just about sexual assaults, stabbings, grenades and no-go zones (to name only some of the "gems" of multiculturalism) are pretty bad, too.

Even you know that Merkel's idiocy has brought much more bad than good to Europe.
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it's become more unsafe, sure. but there's no reason glorify the way europe used to be before we have had to deal with immigrants, like you're doing. "back in the day our daughters could safely walk on the streets at night - european civilisation has always functioned like this! the chances of a woman getting raped were 1/50000!"

my grandmother was raped. i'm pretty sure my country didn't have to deal with the terrible consequences of multiculturalism yet in the 1950s. i guess it's a remarkable coincidence that i happen to have such a sexual assault victim in my family, given the 1/50000 odds? or could it be that this statistic (with no source provided) is bullshit, and that sexual assault has always been an enormous problem in europe?
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Vlado posted...

How does what you quoted contradict what I said? He simply needs to use funds from the most fitting category for the wall. The fact is, for one reason or another, he doesn't do it.

"Most fitting category"? There is no "category" in the military that goes with "building a wall". Congress must approve all spending, why do you think Obama didn't just say "Medicare for all" and then allocate money how he saw fit?

The reason he doesn't do it is because he simply can't without congressional approval. It's why he floated the idea back in March and never brought it up again because everyone around him pointed out it wouldn't work. Same with his claims of revoking birthright citizenship.

He is not all powerful.
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Vlado posted...

The freedom to live in a safe country with your compatriots without having to fear for your daughter if she goes out at night, for example. You know, the way European civilisation has always functioned.

The civilization that invented the chastity belt
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Mr Lasastryke posted...

it's become more unsafe, sure. but there's no reason glorify the way europe used to be before we have had to deal with immigrants, like you're doing. "back in the day our daughters could safely walk on the streets at night - european civilisation has always functioned like this! the chances of a woman getting raped were 1/50000!"

my grandmother was raped. i'm pretty sure my country didn't have to deal with the terrible consequences of multiculturalism yet in the 1950s. i guess it's a remarkable coincidence that i happen to have such a sexual assault victim in my family, given the 1/50000 odds? or could it be that this statistic (with no source provided) is bullshit, and that sexual assault has always been an enormous problem in europe?

Depends on what you mean by "enormous." Sure, it's always existed, but that doesn't mean it's ever happened on a large scale before people from alien cultures were allowed or made their way (like the Turks in 14th century) into Europe.

My point is that the problem has got much worse now. Something I don't think you disagree with.

TheRock1525 posted...

Vlado posted...

How does what you quoted contradict what I said? He simply needs to use funds from the most fitting category for the wall. The fact is, for one reason or another, he doesn't do it.

"Most fitting category"? There is no "category" in the military that goes with "building a wall". Congress must approve all spending, why do you think Obama didn't just say "Medicare for all" and then allocate money how he saw fit?

The reason he doesn't do it is because he simply can't without congressional approval. It's why he floated the idea back in March and never brought it up again because everyone around him pointed out it wouldn't work. Same with his claims of revoking birthright citizenship.

He is not all powerful.

Congress has already approved the budget, in which several categories are defined. That's the end of congress' involvement in this. From then on, Trump could allocate funds from the most fitting category towards the wall. But the problem is that he doesn't.

Jakyl25 posted...

The civilization that invented the chastity belt

Your point?
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Obviously its a culture that has always feared sexual assault
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Vlado posted...

From then on, Trump could allocate funds from the most fitting category towards the wall. But the problem is that he doesn't.

Rock is trying to explain to you that the Wall does not fit into any existing category
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1069990310175014914?s=21

Could somebody please explain to the Democrats (we need their votes) that our Country losses 250 Billion Dollars a year on illegal immigration, not including the terrible drug flow. Top Border Security, including a Wall, is $25 Billion. Pays for itself in two months. Get it done!

Heres Trump, today, demonstrating that he understands this better than you do
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Vlado posted...

Congress has already approved the budget, in which several categories are defined. That's the end of congress' involvement in this. From then on, Trump could allocate funds from the most fitting category towards the wall.

That is not how it works at all holy shit learn something about the American government please.

If it is not defined in the initial budget plan then it had to be approved by Congress and cannot be "added in" to a category.
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Like the budget for homeland security (who is in charge of border security) is $48 billion. They laid out where and how that $48 billion will be spent. There isn't just a spare $25 billion of that to be allocated on "whatever the president feels like." If he wants to reallocate (or even create a new department called "The Department of Giant Ass Walls") he needs congressional approval. Period.

You are wrong here, Vlado. It's ok to admit it.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Obviously its a culture that has always feared sexual assault

Except we are not at war right now. Not in the conventional sense, anyway.

Jakyl25 posted...

Heres Trump, today, posting some propaganda on twitter as usual.

ftfy

TheRock1525 posted...

Vlado posted...

Congress has already approved the budget, in which several categories are defined. That's the end of congress' involvement in this. From then on, Trump could allocate funds from the most fitting category towards the wall.

That is not how it works at all holy shit learn something about the American government please.

If it is not defined in the initial budget plan then it had to be approved by Congress and cannot be "added in" to a category.

It does not get "added in." You take the category it fits best and take from the money allocated there. IF you want to actually do it.

Anyway, HUGE if true! Tulsi Gabbard running in 2020?
https://www.rt.com/usa/445503-gabbard-presidency-run-2020/

If Trump keeps not doing anything significant, I might even support her against him.
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Vlado posted...

The freedom to live in a safe country with your compatriots without having to fear for your daughter if she goes out at night, for example. You know, the way European civilisation has always functioned.

Prove that that's the way "European civilization" has always functioned.
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Vlado posted...

You take the category it fits best and take from the money allocated there. IF you want to actually do it.

You can't. It doesn't fit into the category I just pointed out. Half of the DHS budget is not discretionary spending.

You. Are. Wrong.
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Vlado posted...

Anyway, HUGE if true! Tulsi Gabbard running in 2020?
https://www.rt.com/usa/445503-gabbard-presidency-run-2020/

If Trump keeps not doing anything significant, I might even support her against him.

Gonna support a pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-more government with Medicare for All Liberal huh.
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Vlado posted...

It does not get "added in." You take the category it fits best and take from the money allocated there. IF you want to actually do it.

me explaining to my grant-writer employee why we're allowed to use the money for hookers and blow
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Kenri posted...

Vlado posted...

The freedom to live in a safe country with your compatriots without having to fear for your daughter if she goes out at night, for example. You know, the way European civilisation has always functioned.

Prove that that's the way "European civilization" has always functioned.

Why, Vlado, do you clamor against Muslim immigrants when sexual assault is committed by a wide array of ethnicities? In fact, if youre SO concerned about a womans safety when she goes out at night, then isnt that more of a MAN problem than an IMMIGRANT problem? Why are you not advocating for measures against men, given that the vast majority of sexual assaults are committed by men, against women?
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Kenri posted...

Vlado posted...

It does not get "added in." You take the category it fits best and take from the money allocated there. IF you want to actually do it.

me explaining to my grant-writer employee why we're allowed to use the money for hookers and blow

Definitely "Department of the Interior".
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Kenri posted...

Prove that that's the way "European civilization" has always functioned.

lol, what's next, I have to prove water is wet?

TheRock1525 posted...

You can't. It doesn't fit into the category I just pointed out. Half of the DHS budget is not discretionary spending.

You. Are. Wrong.

lmao, no matter how many times you repeat it, it'll still not become true.

TheRock1525 posted...

Vlado posted...

Anyway, HUGE if true! Tulsi Gabbard running in 2020?
https://www.rt.com/usa/445503-gabbard-presidency-run-2020/

If Trump keeps not doing anything significant, I might even support her against him.

Gonna support a pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-more government with Medicare for All Liberal huh.

Anti-globalist trumps all that. If Trump can't get things done, might as well let the other side try to get them done. :)
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TheRock1525 posted...

Gonna support a pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-more government with Medicare for All Liberal huh.

To be fair, Trump was for all those things at some point and would be again if it was politically fruitful
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Vlado posted...

lol, what's next, I have to prove water is wet?

no i'd accept that one but your other thing is nonsense

so, prove it
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Kenri posted...

Vlado posted...

lol, what's next, I have to prove water is wet?

no i'd accept that one but your other thing is nonsense

so, prove it

Youre asking him to prove the entire crux of his ideology, that white Europeans are more naturally civilized than any brown people

If he actually looks into reality it will break him and well lose our whipping boy
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Didnt Europe used to have that thing where a king or baron or whoever it was that ruled over the land upon which you lived could rape your wife on your wedding night if he so desired?
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I mean, hes the King, whos gonna arrest him?
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Vlado posted...

lmao, no matter how many times you repeat it, it'll still not become true.

I mean, it literally is true. It's why there is no wall. He needs congressional approval. He has said he needs congressional approval literally today.

You're wrong.
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Vlado posted...

Anti-globalist trumps all that. If Trump can't get things done, might as well let the other side try to get them done. :)

Gabbard is far more globalist than Trump.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Youre asking him to prove the entire crux of his ideology, that white Europeans are more naturally civilized than any brown people

That's a pretty standard claim for racists though. His claim is way more bizarre than just that since it relies on a blatantly fictional history of Europe.
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Jakyl25 posted...

Kenri posted...

Vlado posted...

lol, what's next, I have to prove water is wet?

no i'd accept that one but your other thing is nonsense

so, prove it

Youre asking him to prove the entire crux of his ideology, that white Europeans are more naturally civilized than any brown people

If he actually looks into reality it will break him and well lose our whipping boy

Anyway, supreme badassery from Denmark, in contrast with other Scandinavian countries:

They are undesirable & they must feel it: Denmark to ship unwanted refugees to remote island

"If you are unwanted in Danish society, you should not be a nuisance to ordinary Danes, immigration minister Inger Stjberg wrote in a Facebook post on Friday. They are undesirable in Denmark and they must feel it!

Its not easy to ask families to go home, if theyve actually settled, Prime Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen said last month. But it is the morally right thing. We should not make refugees immigrants.

https://www.rt.com/news/445552-denmark-refugees-island-unwanted/

Cool!
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Holy shit that image is fucking racist, AND laughable when combined with some of the other bigotry Vlado has spouted over the years.
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african civilization 2000 years ago had modern, western-style clothes i guess
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When you find ruins even remotely comparable to the Roman ones in Africa, let me know. I'll be waiting. Facts are not "racist."

Of course, China and Japan are comparable to Europe, to some extent also some other old civilisations.
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https://www.google.com/search?q=african%20ruins&tbm=isch
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The Roman Empire is not European culture given that it extended beyond the geographic boundaries of Europe and into the Middle East and Northern Africa. Its interesting how someone so anti-globalism has no problem with globalism on a micro scale, where national boundaries dont matter so long as everyone is white.
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I also like how his image of European civilization 2000 years ago is a drawing
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Vlado posted...

When you find ruins even remotely comparable to the Roman ones in Africa, let me know. I'll be waiting. Facts are not "racist."

usually you guys can at least remember that egypt exists even if you don't know shit about the rest of africa, lmao

pathetic

now where's this proof of europe always being a safe place to live with your countrymen, where daughters can roam freely at night?
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