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Vlado
11/29/18 8:23:03 AM
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'Pack your bags,' Italy's new leaders tell 500,000 illegal migrants

Italy's new populist government has wasted no time in repeating its campaign promise to deport hundreds of thousands of migrants although the financial, logistical and humanitarian implications of such an undertaking are only now becoming clear. The right-wing Lega party, which formed a coalition government with Five-Star Movement (M5S) last week, is the driving force behind anti-immigration rhetoric and it is looking to fulfil a pledge to deport as many as 500,000 illegal migrants.

Lega leader Matteo Salvini who is now Italy's deputy prime minister and interior minister reiterated the government's aim to deport illegal migrants on a visit to Sicily last weekend. The island, which has been a major point of arrival and detention for migrants crossing the Mediterranean Sea, had to stop being "the refugee camp of Europe," Salvini told reporters. "It is not enough to reduce the numbers of people arriving. We need to increase deportations," he said.

Visiting a migrant detention center in the Sicilian port of Pozzallo, where he was greeted both by supporters and pro-migrant protesters, Salvini said his government's stance on migrants was one of "common sense." "These are emergency centers, my interest is to work in order to reduce the number of people arriving and increase the number of deportations. This is not easy to do, nor is it possible to do it in a quarter of an hour, but in the coming weeks we want to give new signals, to cut costs and (migrant detention) durations." On Saturday, speaking at a rally in northern Italy, Salvini had told illegal migrants "get ready to pack your bags."

https://archive.is/8SpZM

Europe rises.
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Vlado
11/30/18 7:53:48 AM
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Lots of news in the last couple of days...

Bromance between two super badasses - Viktor Orbn and Chuck Norris.

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https://www.rt.com/news/445123-chuck-norris-viktor-orban/

google busted by Europeans for tricking users into consenting to be tracked:
https://www.rt.com/news/445023-google-deceives-privacy-eu/

Sci-fi author high on SJW kool-aid, blasts Tolkien for oppressing the poor orcish minorities in his writing:
https://www.rt.com/news/445016-tolkien-racist-orcs-fantasy/

Deep state plotting to get their dirty hands on hero Assange:
https://www.rt.com/news/445069-assange-manafort-guardian-russiagate/

Excellent uncensorable alternative to youtube being developed:
https://joinpeertube.org/en/

Globalist media continue to expose those pesky nationalists, looks like they have even weaponised cat pictures, does this evil know no end?!
https://www.rt.com/news/445210-salvini-populists-msm-cats/

cnn fire black contributor because he picked the "wrong" side in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict... So much for defending the oppressed.
https://www.rt.com/usa/445189-cnn-sacks-contributor-israel-palestine/

RT busted by former US government official for their audacity to attack US democracy by... teling the truth! You can't make this thing up!
https://www.rt.com/usa/445084-truth-is-dangerous-former-homeland/

A crazed mother trying to destroy her son's life, father desperately fighting to save him:
http://savejames.com/

And the latest result of Merkel's diversity, German teenage girl followed to toilet and raped by two Afghanis, police cover it up for over a week because they fear protests.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6434645/Girl-15-pinned-raped-two-Afghan-migrants-Germany.html
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Vlado
11/30/18 8:11:04 AM
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From the cat picture article:

Well, be warned now that this tactic has been exposed, the so-called populists may resort to posting photos of dogs, seals, cute babies, or perhaps even proposing legislation that is popular with the electorate.

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Espeon
11/30/18 8:32:12 AM
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Reading that SaveJames site, not surprised you support an abusive father/ex-husband.
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Vlado
11/30/18 8:33:28 AM
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Um, apprently you didn't read it. The mother is actually abusing the child, trying to make him change sex when he clearly demonstrates he likes his real sex. She wants to freaking castrate the boy.

-Doctors perform sex-change surgeries on children in Texas

-Doctors chemically castrate children as young as 8 years old, to suppress puberty and prepare children for sex-change surgery.

America is hell on earth.
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Espeon
11/30/18 8:39:44 AM
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I read the court documents, which I trust a lot more than a CLEARLY biased website that requires no legal oversight. And in those documents, it refers to Luna as CHOOSING her gender, not being forced into it.
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DeepsPraw
11/30/18 9:26:09 AM
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Puberty blockers aren't permanent.

It's far more inhumane to make a trans child suffer the ravaging effects of puberty
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Vlado
11/30/18 9:44:13 AM
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Espeon posted...
I read the court documents, which I trust a lot more than a CLEARLY biased website that requires no legal oversight. And in those documents, it refers to Luna as CHOOSING her gender, not being forced into it.

DeepsPraw posted...
Puberty blockers aren't permanent.

It's far more inhumane to make a trans child suffer the ravaging effects of puberty

Yeah, no. We're dealing with an insane mother and courts enforcing globalist agenda, so of course they support the destruction of this innocent child. It is pure insanity to allow parents to do this to children - it's one thing to allow adults to mutilate themselves, but this is absolutely criminal and despicable.

THIS is what globalists and their puppets (i.e. you) fight for:
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Oh, and while we're on the "drag queen" topic, a drag queen for some insane reason allowed to be anywhere near children admits that his goal is to groom children:

This is going to be the grooming of the next generation. We are trying to groom the next generation, said Pontiff, who when dressed in drag goes by the name Santana Pilar Andrews.

https://cloverchronicle.com/2018/11/27/drag-queen-admits-hes-grooming-children-at-story-hour-events-in-public-libraries/

By the way, I am interested in comments on all the other news I posted, too. How about that rape in Germany?
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Espeon
11/30/18 9:59:41 AM
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Theres no point in commenting on that article. Youve already posted it to support your immigrants are evil narrative, so nothing we say will change your mindset. Its like when we in America had those back-to-back murders of those two college girls: white girl killed by illegal immigrant = ILLEGALS ARE ALL BAD AND THE BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS, LIBERALS...foreign student in the country on a golf scholarship killed by some crazy incel = *crickets*

And thats not to say either story is more important than the other. Im just pointing out that most of the time, when a story gets pushed about how an illegal immigrant committed an unspeakable crime, the fact that the person is an illegal immigrant is almost always completely incidental, and the story is being pushed to paint all immigrants with a negative brush, in order to scare people into hating them as a collective.
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DeepsPraw
11/30/18 10:07:05 AM
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drag is not trans. Drag culture generally does far more harm to trans issues than any help it may do
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Espeon
11/30/18 10:08:32 AM
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For context:

You could re-write that entire article to completely ignore the rapists immigrant status. You could easily just say two MEN raped this underaged girl and use strong language condemning all men for the actions of these two shitstains. Given your penchant for believing men are victimized in modern society, SURELY you would agree that characterization is unfair, yes?
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Mr Lasastryke
11/30/18 10:16:17 AM
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Vlado posted...
By the way, I am interested in comments on all the other news I posted, too. How about that rape in Germany?


all men from afghanistan are rapists and the devil incarnate

(i'll kindly give you the only thing you want to hear in response to the article.)
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Vlado
11/30/18 10:50:23 AM
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DeepsPraw posted...
drag is not trans. Drag culture generally does far more harm to trans issues than any help it may do

Both are vectors of the globalist attack on normality.

Espeon posted...
Theres no point in commenting on that article. Youve already posted it to support your immigrants are evil narrative, so nothing we say will change your mindset. Its like when we in America had those back-to-back murders of those two college girls: white girl killed by illegal immigrant = ILLEGALS ARE ALL BAD AND THE BLOOD IS ON YOUR HANDS, LIBERALS...foreign student in the country on a golf scholarship killed by some crazy incel = *crickets*

And thats not to say either story is more important than the other. Im just pointing out that most of the time, when a story gets pushed about how an illegal immigrant committed an unspeakable crime, the fact that the person is an illegal immigrant is almost always completely incidental, and the story is being pushed to paint all immigrants with a negative brush, in order to scare people into hating them as a collective.

Except the crime statistics show disproportionately more crime among immigrants than European natives. Oops, globalist narrative flew out the window.

Meanwhile, the yellow vest fire rises towards Belgium:
https://www.rt.com/news/445238-protest-fuel-price-brussels/
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Mr Lasastryke
11/30/18 10:52:02 AM
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Vlado posted...
Except the crime statistics show disproportionately more crime among immigrants than natives.


and?
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Espeon
11/30/18 10:55:51 AM
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Crime statistics in America show the reverse, so maybe you could cite your source, since youre clearly not averse to posting links.
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Espeon
11/30/18 11:07:41 AM
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I just looked up statistics for crime in Germany, because I admit the immigration situation is different in Europe compared to America (cant post links due to mobile, but the article in question is from the BBC on 9/13/2018, called reality check), and they make a good point about demographics. They point out that, prior to the influx of refugees and immigrants, 9% of the populationmen between the ages of 16 and 30committed 50% of Germanys crime. It then states that of the incoming immigrants, 27% fall into that same demographic. So while crime HAS increased, its just as much a result of more young men being added to the pool of potential criminals, rather than anything specific to their immigrant status.
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Kenri
11/30/18 2:01:58 PM
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So I guess Vlado is just dropping the pro-human charade completely with this topic, huh

Not that it was ever believable coming from him anyway but still
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Vlado
12/01/18 5:31:16 AM
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Espeon posted...
I just looked up statistics for crime in Germany, because I admit the immigration situation is different in Europe compared to America (cant post links due to mobile, but the article in question is from the BBC on 9/13/2018, called reality check), and they make a good point about demographics. They point out that, prior to the influx of refugees and immigrants, 9% of the populationmen between the ages of 16 and 30committed 50% of Germanys crime. It then states that of the incoming immigrants, 27% fall into that same demographic. So while crime HAS increased, its just as much a result of more young men being added to the pool of potential criminals, rather than anything specific to their immigrant status.

lmfao, look at that damage control nonsense. The stats are clear - migrant crime is through the roof, it's many-fold that of native Germans. THAT is why people are taking to the streets and protesting, and Merkel's ratings are plummeting.

Kenri posted...
So I guess Vlado is just dropping the pro-human charade completely with this topic, huh

Not that it was ever believable coming from him anyway but still

Pro-human means defending an innocent 6-year-old boy from an insane mother that wants to ruin his life. Yes, I am pro-human.
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Kenri
12/01/18 10:41:57 AM
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Vlado posted...
Pro-human means defending an innocent 6-year-old boy from an insane mother that wants to ruin his life. Yes, I am pro-human.

Talking about your pro-deportation stance in the first post but yeah this is a good example of you being anti-human too.
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Mr Lasastryke
12/01/18 10:44:04 AM
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i love how vlado always goes "GEEZ THE USUAL SUSPECTS SURE ARE IGNORING MY POSTS" when he ignores the posts i've made in this topic lol
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Espeon
12/01/18 10:59:13 AM
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Damage control? Crime is DOWN in Germany as of 2017.
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Vlado
12/02/18 11:52:41 AM
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Kenri posted...
Talking about your pro-deportation stance in the first post

You mean Italians aren't human or something?

Mr Lasastryke posted...
i love how vlado always goes "GEEZ THE USUAL SUSPECTS SURE ARE IGNORING MY POSTS" when he ignores the posts i've made in this topic lol

What should I comment on "and?" But fine:

And, migration from completely incompatible cultures is fucking terrible.

Espeon posted...
Damage control? Crime is DOWN in Germany as of 2017.

Migrant crime is through the roof are police are often keeping quiet about it because they fear Germans protesting.

But I don't think you even get the main point. If migration has led to even ONE more crime compared to the statistics of just the native population, then that is already tangible, irrefutable evidence that multiculturalism is an utter failure, and it only makes the lives of the actual citizens worse.
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TheRock1525
12/02/18 12:20:47 PM
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Vlado posted...
But I don't think you even get the main point. If migration has led to even ONE more crime compared to the statistics of just the native population, then that is already tangible, irrefutable evidence that multiculturalism is an utter failure, and it only makes the lives of the actual citizens worse.

This makes zero sense. Couldn't you apply that same logic to people saved by migrants? How many migrant doctors in the US saved lives? EMTs? How many lives were made better by a migrant run local business?

By your same logic we could say we can't let white people live. "If even one death results from a white person, its time to get rid of white people."

Do you not understand basic risk management? Do you not drive a car since a car has killed at least one person?
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Vlado
12/02/18 1:33:37 PM
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I recently came across stats about women deaths when giving birth, and it's way higher in "multicultural" countries like UK (almost twice higher) and US (almost 7 times higher!) than in Bulgaria. When considering the equipment, medicaments and everything else being on a higher level in those 2 countries, the difference most likely comes to the human factor.

There is not a SINGLE strong argument in favour of multiculturalism. The best even the most brainwashed SJWs can come up with is "ethnic food"... lmao
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TheRock1525
12/02/18 1:54:58 PM
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Vlado posted...
I recently came across stats about women deaths when giving birth, and it's way higher in "multicultural" countries like UK (almost twice higher) and US (almost 7 times higher!) than in Bulgaria.


Feel free to link those stats.

Also the US was literally founded on multiculturalism so I have no idea how you get rid of it unless you return it to the natives, which were multicultural themselves.
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TheRock1525
12/02/18 1:57:56 PM
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The stats I just read from 2015 had Bulgaria at 11/100k and the US at 14/100k. UK at 9/100k.

https://photius.com/rankings/2017/population/maternal_mortality_rate_2017_1.html
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Kenri
12/02/18 2:33:19 PM
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Vlado posted...
You mean Italians aren't human or something?

Are Italians the people being deported? What do Italians have to do with you being anti-human?
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Jakyl25
12/02/18 4:57:42 PM
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Vlado posted...
I recently came across stats about women deaths when giving birth, and it's way higher in "multicultural" countries like UK (almost twice higher) and US (almost 7 times higher!) than in Bulgaria. When considering the equipment, medicaments and everything else being on a higher level in those 2 countries, the difference most likely comes to the human factor.

There is not a SINGLE strong argument in favour of multiculturalism. The best even the most brainwashed SJWs can come up with is "ethnic food"... lmao


Im not even sure what those supposed stats are supposed to signify to you

If a white woman gives birth to a mixed child, shes more likely to die in childbirth because its a genetic abomination or something?

Help me out here
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Jakyl25
12/02/18 5:05:09 PM
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Oh wait, is he saying that maybe brown doctors dont know how to deliver white babies without accidentally killing the mother because of some biological difference?
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Mr Lasastryke
12/02/18 5:22:20 PM
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TheRock1525 posted...
This makes zero sense. Couldn't you apply that same logic to people saved by migrants? How many migrant doctors in the US saved lives? EMTs? How many lives were made better by a migrant run local business?

By your same logic we could say we can't let white people live. "If even one death results from a white person, its time to get rid of white people."

Do you not understand basic risk management? Do you not drive a car since a car has killed at least one person?


the "logic" he's using is exactly why he's drawing so much attention to the two afghan men raping a german teenage girl ("people should respond to this!!"). there can be 100 afghan doctors saving lives in germany - doesn't matter. as long as there are 2 bad apples all afghanis should leave germany.
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Jakyl25
12/02/18 5:24:34 PM
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Even THAT is faulty logic really

Like, good deeds by some in a group shouldnt earn the rests place there

They earn a place there by being humans who need food and shelter. Thats what being pro-human is
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Vlado
12/03/18 7:00:04 AM
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TheRock1525 posted...
The stats I just read from 2015 had Bulgaria at 11/100k and the US at 14/100k. UK at 9/100k.

https://photius.com/rankings/2017/population/maternal_mortality_rate_2017_1.html

My source is in Bulgarian, but let's suppose yours is better. US is still worse than Bulgaria despite way better technology and medication available.

Mr Lasastryke posted...
there can be 100 afghan doctors saving lives in germany

There "can be." But there NEVER are. The profile of the average migrant to Europe is clear - a young, uneducated man who's at great odds with European civilisation.

Jakyl25 posted...
They earn a place there by being humans who need food and shelter.

lmfao, seriously? No. Natives to the country come first. If and only if all of them are taken care of, can help be extended to foreigners - and those with similar culture naturally take precedence. Anything else is nothing but a desire to destroy the country in question.

Take your dumb beliefs to their logical conclusion. What happens?
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Vlado
12/03/18 7:46:37 AM
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IT'S HAPPENING!

The fire rises, now in Spain, too. A previously unknown right-wing party named Vox led by a Basque has taken enough seats in the large Andalusia province to form a governing coaltion with the traditional centre-right and oust socialists in the region for the first time in 36 years!

https://archive.fo/lp7Y3

The Socialist leader in Andalusia, Susana Daz, on Sunday night urged the right-leaning parties not to allow Spain to become the latest European country in which a far-right party takes a front-line role in politics.

Delicious globalist tears!

More about the new heroes of Europe: https://www.thelocal.es/20181130/tiny-spanish-far-right-party-gaining-ground-in-andalusia
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Mr Lasastryke
12/03/18 8:46:26 AM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Even THAT is faulty logic really

Like, good deeds by some in a group shouldnt earn the rests place there

They earn a place there by being humans who need food and shelter. Thats what being pro-human is


didn't mean to imply that i disagree with this, i'm just saying that there's two sides to this coin and vlado only focuses on the negative side. any number of good apples? doesn't matter. 2 bad apples? "OBVIOUSLY MEANS THAT ALL THE APPLES SHOULD LEAVE."
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Mr Lasastryke
12/03/18 8:48:30 AM
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Vlado posted...
There "can be." But there NEVER are. The profile of the average migrant to Europe is clear - a young, uneducated man who's at great odds with European civilisation.


why does this matter, though? you've already stated that you don't care about the number of migrant doctors who come to europe. we don't even need to look at this.

The rest hope that big brother can make up for their own inadequacy by providing them with the means to indulge in mindless, soul-destroying consumerism, and by bringing those who are better than them down to their level.


it still baffles me that in your world capitalists are somehow less consumerist than socialists.
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Mr Lasastryke
12/03/18 8:53:35 AM
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Vlado posted...
IT'S HAPPENING!

The fire rises, now in Spain, too. A previously unknown right-wing party named Vox led by a Basque has taken enough seats in the large Andalusia province to form a governing coaltion with the traditional centre-right and oust socialists in the region for the first time in 36 years!

https://archive.fo/lp7Y3

The Socialist leader in Andalusia, Susana Daz, on Sunday night urged the right-leaning parties not to allow Spain to become the latest European country in which a far-right party takes a front-line role in politics.

Delicious globalist tears!


you're aware that people like bernie and ocasio-cortez would probably say the same thing, right? not sure how you can claim to support them while being this ecstatic about socialists losing in an election.
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Vlado
12/03/18 9:31:32 AM
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
Vlado posted...
There "can be." But there NEVER are. The profile of the average migrant to Europe is clear - a young, uneducated man who's at great odds with European civilisation.


why does this matter, though?

...

If that doesn't matter, what does?

Mr Lasastryke posted...
it still baffles me that in your world capitalists are somehow less consumerist than socialists.

Who are those "capitalists"? Unrestrained capitalism has led to globalism, it's the other side of the coin of communism. It's the same fucking goal, a limited ruling class (nomenklatura or central banking/multinational corporations) lording over the plebs who are kept sedated by various means and exploited for the good of the ruling class.

Socialism can be good if it works for the good of the nation and rejects all globalist poison like multiculturalism, SJW idiocy and such nation-wrecking crap.

Mr Lasastryke posted...
you're aware that people like bernie and ocasio-cortez would probably say the same thing, right? not sure how you can claim to support them while being this ecstatic about socialists losing in an election.

Yes, they would. I support them as far as uprooting the corrupt deep state goes, no problem with both the left and right combining efforts to do it. But naturally I will not support them against genuine nationalists. They carry too much of the aforementioned poison.

They (and you) need to understand that in order to enact any if the good policies you have in mind, you will have to first get rid of the globalists. Then, they'll have to defeat the new right, of course. But at least it will be a battle between two well-meaning sides, if they do not get infiltrated and corrupted in the meantime, of course.
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Jakyl25
12/03/18 10:03:50 AM
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Vlado posted...

Take your dumb beliefs to their logical conclusion. What happens?


Fewer people suffer
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Mr Lasastryke
12/03/18 10:11:25 AM
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Vlado posted...
If that doesn't matter, what does?


it matters to me. but i'm saying that following your logic, it shouldn't matter to you. you've already established that if there's 1 afghan criminal in germany, all aghanis should leave. at that point, why does it matter whether there's 1 afghan doctor or 100000? they should all leave anyway, according to you.

Yes, they would. I support them as far as uprooting the corrupt deep state goes, no problem with both the left and right combining efforts to do it. But naturally I will not support them against genuine nationalists. They carry too much of the aforementioned poison.

They (and you) need to understand that in order to enact any if the good policies you have in mind, you will have to first get rid of the globalists. Then, they'll have to defeat the new right, of course. But at least it will be a battle between two well-meaning sides, if they do not get infiltrated and corrupted in the meantime, of course.


the fundamental problem with your outlook is that you narrow everything down to the globalism/nationalism divide when obviously the world is more complex than that.

to explain what i mean, let me take an example from the political landscape in my own country since i have some expertise on that. take FVD. i completely agree with their anti-EU ideas but when it comes to economics, they're shit. they're in favor of the exact same "fuck you, i got mine" nonsense various right-wing parties in tons of countries have been in favor of for the past gazillion years.

you're saying that it's important to defeat the new right. but FVD IS the new right! when they've become large enough to replace the current government (and it SHOULD be replaced - the most pro-EU party in my country is currently a part of the government, though they're not the largest party so fortunately they don't have too much influence on the government's policies for now), they've probably already brainwashed too many people into agreeing with their economic policies. at that point it may be too late to fight the right, though the left will always try their best, of course.

as important as patriotism (or "nationalism" or whatever you want to call it) is to me, i find caring about the poor to be equally important. what we need in my country is a party that combines being sufficiently patriotic with caring about the poor, NOT a party that's anti-EU/globalism/whatever while being "let's totally screw over the poor who cares about them" like FVD. (unfortunately i don't think we don't have such a party here at the moment, though [but i may be overlooking one of the super small parties, admittedly]. the most socialist party here is too pro-EU for my tastes.)

also, i somewhat disagree with the notion that if you have a battle between the left and the right, it's necessarily a "battle between two well-meaning sides." i do think some prominent politicians on the right are well-meaning, like ron paul. i completely disagree with some of his ideas, but i do think he genuinely cares about the poor. i'm certain thierry baudet doesn't give a crap about the poor at all, though.
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TheRock1525
12/03/18 10:26:22 AM
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Vlado posted...
US is still worse than Bulgaria despite way better technology and medication available.


US is also notorious for its health care system being overpriced, meaning preventable deaths occur more than they should. We spend more than any country in the world per person yet rank in the middle among developed countries in terms of quality.

Meanwhile, I'm pretty sure Bulgaria has centralized healthcare.
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TheRock1525
12/03/18 10:30:05 AM
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Ah yes, hero Steven Seagal. The man who paid hush money after sexually harassing a woman and is currently being looked into for prosecution for more sexual harassment/assault.
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Mr Lasastryke
12/03/18 11:13:34 AM
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TheRock1525 posted...
Ah yes, hero Steven Seagal. The man who paid hush money after sexually harassing a woman and is currently being looked into for prosecution for more sexual harassment/assault.


given vlado's love for kavanaugh, this probably makes seagal even MORE of a hero to him
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Vlado
12/03/18 11:14:08 AM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Fewer people suffer

Wrong. Much more people suffer. It's endless conflict because the cultures are incompatible, and then, using it as pretext, big brother brings about a police state "for the public good," completely destroying freedom and ushering total control.

Mr Lasastryke posted...
it matters to me. but i'm saying that following your logic, it shouldn't matter to you. you've already established that if there's 1 afghan criminal in germany, all aghanis should leave. at that point, why does it matter whether there's 1 afghan doctor or 100000? they should all leave anyway, according to you.

You would have had a leg to stand on IF a huge part of the immigrants had actually been good people who wanted to assimmilate into European culture. Fact is, they aren't, and they can't.

Mr Lasastryke posted...
the fundamental problem with your outlook is that you narrow everything down to the globalism/nationalism divide when obviously the world is more complex than that.

It is the crux of the problems... If we do away with globalism entirely, we can focus on our national issues. Until then, there's always the shadow of the EU willing to take away more and more of our sovereignity.
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Vlado
12/03/18 11:14:18 AM
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
to explain what i mean, let me take an example from the political landscape in my own country since i have some expertise on that. take FVD. i completely agree with their anti-EU ideas but when it comes to economics, they're shit. they're in favor of the exact same "fuck you, i got mine" nonsense various right-wing parties in tons of countries have been in favor of for the past gazillion years.

you're saying that it's important to defeat the new right. but FVD IS the new right! when they've become large enough to replace the current government (and it SHOULD be replaced - the most pro-EU party in my country is currently a part of the government, though they're not the largest party so fortunately they don't have too much influence on the government's policies for now), they've probably already brainwashed too many people into agreeing with their economic policies. at that point it may be too late to fight the right, though the left will always try their best, of course.

as important as patriotism (or "nationalism" or whatever you want to call it) is to me, i find caring about the poor to be equally important. what we need in my country is a party that combines being sufficiently patriotic with caring about the poor, NOT a party that's anti-EU/globalism/whatever while being "let's totally screw over the poor who cares about them" like FVD. (unfortunately i don't think we don't have such a party here at the moment, though [but i may be overlooking one of the super small parties, admittedly]. the most socialist party here is too pro-EU for my tastes.)

also, i somewhat disagree with the notion that if you have a battle between the left and the right, it's necessarily a "battle between two well-meaning sides." i do think some prominent politicians on the right are well-meaning, like ron paul. i completely disagree with some of his ideas, but i do think he genuinely cares about the poor. i'm certain thierry baudet doesn't give a crap about the poor at all, though.

Thanks a lot for this post. Yes, I get what you mean. I am not too familiar with Forum voor Democratie, I've heard that they're more reliable than Wilders, who's likely controlled opposition. And they're gaining numbers fast: https://www.noties.nl/v/get.php?a=peil.nl&s=weekpoll&f=2018-12-02+erd.pdf

Unfortunately, there's rarely a party that fits your views entirely, so we gotta vote for the one that comes the closest... I'm obviously not nearly to the left as you on economy, but I completely agree that your compatriots should not be allowed to live in poverty. And that capitalism needs to be kept in check by the government. Those who are able must be allowed to thrive, but there are lines that must not be allowed to be crossed - fair pay for the workers' efforts must be guaranteed. Obviously, that's one thing libertarians will screech at me for, but I say within a country that does not allow foreigners who will lower the value of labour, that will self-regulate to a great extent.

But the biggest problem is that the economy, as it stands today, is a total fraud orchestrated by central banking, for example, the federal reserve. Debt is utterly ridiculous, we all know the US are never paying back their debt, they are practically using up as much money as they want on whatever they want (the only thing regulating that are the banking/corporate interests involved - do you think Trump is not building the wall because there's really no money for it? Please). I don't think anything more than temporary improvement for mankind can be achieved under the current economic system.
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Mr Lasastryke
12/03/18 11:35:25 AM
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Vlado posted...
I completely agree that your compatriots should not be allowed to live in poverty. And that capitalism needs to be kept in check by the government.


i don't get how you can say something like this after making post #33. you're ecstatic about vox winning in spain and your only reaction to daz' comments is "LOL DELICIOUS GLOBALIST TEARS." but what if daz is saying these things precisely BECAUSE she's a socialist who fears that capitalism is going to run rampant in spain now and poverty is going to become a bigger problem (an understandable fear, given that a right-wing party has just won)? that it has nothing to do with globalism?

this is the gist of what i was saying in post #39. whenever you look at a political news story, you only look at it through a "globalism/nationalism" lens, but there's many other ways to look at it.
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Jakyl25
12/03/18 12:16:14 PM
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Vlado posted...

You would have had a leg to stand on IF a huge part of the immigrants had actually been good people who wanted to assimmilate into European culture. Fact is, they aren't, and they can't.


Evidence that they arent good people?
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Kenri
12/03/18 12:28:13 PM
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Vlado posted...
big brother brings about a police state "for the public good," completely destroying freedom and ushering total control.

Last topic you were explicitly in favor of this. Make up your mind.
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Jakyl25
12/03/18 12:46:34 PM
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Hes okay with it as long as the police state is nationalist and not globalist
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Kenri
12/03/18 12:51:50 PM
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Vlado: If people immigrate to a country, it'll cause the rise of an authoritarian police state "for the public good" that destroys all freedom.

Also Vlado: anyway there are too many immigrants so i'll support this authoritarian police state trying to get rid of them, even if it destroys all freedom in the process. it's for the public good.
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Jakyl25
12/03/18 1:40:30 PM
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I still dont understand what he was trying to say about childbirth mother mortality rates
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