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StifledSilence
12/01/18 10:39:14 PM
#251:


Johnbobb posted...
well now I really want to run that LGBT list

bet Wickle would love Blue is the Warmest Color


But like thats a legit porno. I know they try to call it a drama and all, but...yikes.
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LinkMarioSamus
12/02/18 2:17:06 AM
#252:


All this arguing just over what's possibly the most plot-critical sex scene ever.
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scarletspeed7
12/02/18 1:10:54 PM
#253:


#10 - Interstellar (2014)
Karo - 2
KBM - 2
Wickle - 5
Johnbobb - 6
Charon - 11
Genny - 13
Snake - 13
Stifled - 18
Inviso - 29
Scarlet - 30
JONA - 35


"A riveting space epic about humanity searching for a new home after an unexplained blight begins destroying all plant life in the world.
There are three distinct sections of the movie, the first begins with a the protagonist as a simple farmer on earth with his family that establishes who he is and what he is fighting for. The second is the space voyage to a new galaxy, the problems they face and how they overcome them. The final part is the strange ending, which ties together all sections of the movie into a beautiful little space-time bow.
Though it is nearly three hours long it never wears out its welcome or seems drawn out. Every part of the movie feels like it deserves to be there and there are always characters doing big things and wrestling with big decisions, and it further cements Nolan as one of the greatest directors of all time." ~Karo

"My favorite of Christopher Nolan's movies, this is a 2001-esque sci-fi tale of mythic proportions. Nolan is a bit of a hit-or-miss filmmaker for me I don't think any of his movies are bad, per se, but some of them certainly get overhyped. This definitely isn't one of the overhyped ones. Anchored by Matthew McConaughey in a career-best performance, along with the always-terrific Jessica Chastain, this is an obvious labor of love that seems to rub a lot of people the wrong way, between its length and its blunter scenes of philosophizing. But whenever I watch this (and I saw it three times when it was in theaters), its minor structural flaws don't end up mattering to me. The high drama is perfectly executed and I fall for it completely every time. It's atmospheric, it captures the enormity and horror of space, and addresses a lot of lofty themes without necessarily offering definitive answers it doesn't have. Whether it's the nightmare fuel of the tidal wave planet (a scene that's somehow not undercut by that adorable robot skittering about throughout), the melodrama of a stranded Matt Damon gone insane, or the Kubrickian weirdness of the bookcase finale, I can't help myself from losing myself in all of it. I'm willing to buy that these characters, in this situation, would talk and act like this, thanks to a strong cast who're clearly invested in the material. Enough of the science is clearly well-researched that I don't really care if some of the minor details fall apart under close scrutiny. It's one of my favorite movies of recent years, and it's becoming one of my favorite movies, period." ~KBM

"A really good movie that I realize runs one of two ways. Either the subject completely interests you and the movie is possibly one of the greatest of all time, or the subject goes over your head and it can range from only a great movie to maybe even boring for how long it is. I really loved the movie despite not being big on space exploration, or really this type of science anyway, but theres plenty of good scenes, and the subject of what Connor did was really cool." ~Wickle
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scarletspeed7
12/02/18 1:11:07 PM
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"Before this came out, I was unsure what to look forward too. I've never been a big fan of space films but I'm a huge fan of Christopher Nolan. Something about space has never intrigued me much as a setting from a storytelling standpoint, but of course Nolan set out to change that. I'm not going to say it's a perfect movie. The Mann segment is ultimately pretty bad and goes on way too long in an otherwise excellently-paced epic, but it's hard to even dock the movie many points for that given how everything else goes so above and beyond expetations. The time-dilated ocean planet is perhaps my favorite idea ever presented in a space movie, and in general, this shines the most in its fascination with limitless possibilities space presents. A planet whose entire surface is frozen clouds with nothing beneath is somehow one of the less intriguing of the ideas it presents, which just shows how creative the film ultimately is." ~Johnbobb

"It's been a long time since I've watched a film of this lengthy, but much to my surprise the great number of minutes this film is didn't seem to bother me by the end of it. In fact, I felt like they needed even more time to explain and expand on a few facts. There's some great drama here between Cooper, his daughter and Brandt. At times, you can be angry with any of these characters while feeling pity for the other but in an instant I feel like the roles reverse. Given the rather small central cast and the length of the film, all the characters get really fleshed out and you really get a feel for who they are moreso than most of the films on this list. Seeing the inside of the black hole was interesting, and the movie's end was not at all what I'd thought it be given how it seemed to be going. It's sort of a mindfuck at one point, but I think I feel it says to me what I think 2001 probably was attempting to say. I just understood it a whole lot more this time, probably because it was done with a modern touch." ~charon

"Interstellar was actually a lot better than I remembered. It was still overlong and the pacing is a bit wonky back on earth, but the physics, time contortion, and representations of singularities and the fourth dimension are all quite impressive." ~Genny

"Its 2001 for the modern age. The excellent Hans Zimmer score and always gorgeous Nolan visuals craft a perfect atmosphere for the act of space exploration, and I felt transported away from my desk into the world Nolan had crafted. I enjoyed how Nolan used real-life theories to create the story, and it actually felt believable at times. Interstellar pushes the boundaries of human knowledge and discovery but at its heart its actually a very simple story about human connection. Truly sincere and captivating." ~Snake

"I was initially put off at this being THREE HOURS but it was very engaging. The concept of space travel being viewed as fake and NASA having to operate in secret is really cool. Dust Bowl 2.0 is a pretty cool idea for an end of the world scenario as well. I typically am not a fan of Matthew McConaughey, especially his creepy car commercials. But he was absolutely perfect for this role. The rest of the cast was great too, especially Murph. Oh my god I love Murph. And I dunnomaybe its because Im a parent, but seeing him leave his children to go to outer space brought me to tears. The longer the movie went, the more obvious it became that they were robbed of a life together and its completely heartbreaking. But at the same time, it is also a beautifully told story that I feel like a better person for watching somehow.

Traviss Opinion: Travis counted down and said blastoff when the rocket launched. I also picked him up and gave him a huge hug during the scene where he leaves his children to go to space. " ~Stifled
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scarletspeed7
12/02/18 1:12:16 PM
#255:


"This film was LOOOOOOONG. And its really two movies more than just a singular storyline. On the one hand, you have a very heady science film all about space travel, wormholes, physics, and the effects of gravity through space and time. And while Im sure that appeals to some people, for me, it felt very slow. And not just slow, but it really made that nearly three-hour runtime feel like it was dragging on. However, the more emotional aspect of the film, centered around Matthew McConaugheys Cooper, was far more successful at intriguing me as a viewer. The very concept of this father going off to try and save the world and protect his children is made all the more heartbreaking by the theory of relativity putting him in a position where he has to watch them age and forget about him. He fights so hard to not only find a better world, but also get back and be with his family one last time, as he promised. That ending scene feels extremely well-earned as a result, and it felt like a proper cap to an emotional storyline. Also, TARS is adorable. Thats all. And fuck Matt Damon." ~Inviso

"What It Is: The world is ending, so it's time to seek new life and new civilizations, and boldly go where no man has gone bef- wait, what are YOU doing here?

Why It Matters: While I capped the age of films so we could have a little separation from release and review, this is one of two films in the most recent entries from which we ranked films. Nolan's blockbuster made massive piles of cash and also saw love during awards season, and it's definitely an example of how far sci fi has come in the 90 years since the first film on our list.

What I Think: It's just a personal preference, but I found this movie to be quite a drag. There are these great nuggets of innovation and creativity in this movie, but they are so mired in a plodding plot, and I just couldn't get myself to interested in what I was watching for the most part. I can't tell you exactly why that was, and I can't really provide great criticism here. My gut reaction was just sort of a yawn punctuated by brilliant ideas that come together to convey a message that... feels pretty rehashed after 2001: A Space Odyssey. Maybe, overall, I just don't care that much about the destiny of humanity. For all of that complaining, I actually like the film a lot. I just don't love the film, and on a list of movies I do really love, that hurts its ranking. The surprise guest appearance guy and the world of tidal awesomeness have really stuck in my head, as has the fantastic score of the film. But the larger themes of the movie just don't penetrate my interest. It's honestly Nolan's worst film from a deeper, thoughtful perspective. That's not really saying much." ~scarlet

"Give me those outlier points! There are a lot of cool ideas and effects shown in the movie but its just not a great complete package. With a running time of nearly 3 hours, its somehow both too long and not enough. The film starts showing its version of Earth and how its new environment affects the people that are living in it and its a cool, different version. Too bad the main character just goes to space after that worldbuilding and we only get to see bits of it afterwards that focus on the main characters family. Matt Damons character shows up to make the space mission finally interesting, although the ocean world looked kinda neat, but Matt Damons character didnt fit the world and put the main plot on hold. The film has so much exposition, it didnt give time to get attached to the characters and the emotional moments of the story just felt manipulative as a result. I think this would have been stronger as a TV series, since that would have given more time to flesh things out." ~JONA
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scarletspeed7
12/02/18 1:14:40 PM
#256:


The Outlander Game Part XXXI: Less-Than-Stellar
Wickle - 330
JONA - 313
Stifled - 284
KBM - 264
Snake - 260
Inviso - 244
Karo - 228
Genny - 222
Scarlet - 219
Johnbobb - 209
Charon - 207

Wickle still maintains a wide lead despite JONA's big gain.
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Inviso
12/02/18 1:15:17 PM
#257:


Happy about that, but still hoping for my 39 to hit soon.
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PrinceKaro
12/02/18 1:23:12 PM
#258:


oh dear
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JONALEON1
12/02/18 1:47:25 PM
#259:


On one hand, I'm glad it's out.

On the other hand, argh my bracket and outlier.
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v_charon
12/02/18 4:14:30 PM
#260:


Was expecting one of the two I have outside the top 10 to fall there.

I feel like the complaints on the length by the bottom 3 rankers of this one aren't too surprising. I thought I wouldn't have it this high because I don't often love films that sit at nearly 3 hours, but this one surprised me.
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VengefulKaelee
12/02/18 6:38:18 PM
#261:


Disappointing, but really I'm just happy that it made it to the Top 10 in the first place.

Pulling for the three or four Top 10ers I have left in this, though!

I'm gonna mostly stay out of this ridiculous nudity debate, except to say that the fact we're having this conversation at all feels a bit prudish to my worldly sensibilities. Call me desensitized, but I'll basically never have a problem with any kind of content as long as it makes sense within the context of the work. People fuck, curse, fight, and do drugs all the time in real life. If filmmakers want their movie to reflect that, that's fine. If not, that's totally fine too. Just do whatever it is you're doing *well*, that's basically all I care about.
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WickIebee
12/02/18 7:00:19 PM
#262:


WickIebee posted...
I guess as things are going on, I finally realized a major problem I have with movies. I will never give credit to a film for being realistic, and I even tend to hate on all of it. I look too much at movies to be awe-inspiring and setting a good example for future generations. Which is yes, why I hate 100% foul language regardless of the correctness of the society, and why I... Actually, I'll wait a bit for the second half of that.

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WickIebee
12/02/18 7:07:58 PM
#263:


So you want to know my problem with those things in movies? People cuss all the time in real life, and 90% of the time I've seen, the more you cuss, the less intelligent you are as you lack definite vocabulary. That counts for myself, when pissed off I cuss a lot, it happens because I've lost my will to handle things intelligently.

People have sex, yes. But as I said in Discord, the more you make sex normal, the more you piss off someone who isn't getting action. Guess what happens when someone's frustrated about not having sex.

Drugs? I have a cousin in jail for it and a brother I want in jail who does it. Said brother I've seen arrested twice. The latter smokes a harmless drug.

The more you normalize this kind of society, the worse we get overall. It's not exactly the movie to bring up because it's bad humor, but Idiocracy is the best example of what I see our society developping into because of these things.
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scarletspeed7
12/02/18 7:18:08 PM
#264:


Oh, incel logic. Got it.

When I'm going through a dry spell, I don't think I've ever said, "Man this movie is making me jealous because these fictional characters don't deserve to get paid before me!"

Sex doesn't cause a degradation in society, by the way. The Greeks were at their height while fucking. You degrade sex by equating it with societal degradation, but that's par for the course for a mindset that's sounding more and more like it comes from the cast of The Crucible.
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WickIebee
12/02/18 7:24:04 PM
#265:


Just because you don't commit crimes doesn't mean no one does. This stuff exists because not everyone is you.
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Johnbobb
12/02/18 7:24:25 PM
#266:


WickIebee posted...
the more you make sex normal, the more you piss off someone who isn't getting action.

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VengefulKaelee
12/02/18 7:29:26 PM
#267:


While I VERY strongly disagree with literally everything you just said, Wick (and don't have time to respond properly right now), as long as you're not advocating for any kind of institutional censorship of art I have no personal issue with you on this (although admittedly the use of incel logic is a tad alarming). Suffice to say that in my experience, art acts as a mirror of society, not the other way around. Also the intelligent people in my life swear WAY more than anyone else.
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Johnbobb
12/02/18 7:31:29 PM
#268:


VengefulKaelee posted...
Also the intelligent people in my life swear WAY more than anyone else.

yeah, same here
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scarletspeed7
12/02/18 7:55:08 PM
#269:


WickIebee posted...
Just because you don't commit crimes doesn't mean no one does. This stuff exists because not everyone is you.

I mean, this stuff exists independently of films. There was a lot of rape in the Dark Ages, more than any other era, and that was the height of the Hollywood... wait. They didn't have movies. Hell they hardly had books.
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scarletspeed7
12/03/18 5:08:30 PM
#270:


#9 - 12 Monkeys (1995)
JONA - 2
Scarlet - 2
Johnbobb - 5
Charon - 9
Snake - 10
Karo - 11
KBM - 12
Genny - 21
Stifled - 29
Inviso - 30
Wickle - 31

Total: 162

"I love how chaotic this movie is with its vast use of time travel. It really makes you think about how much James Cole goes through. Bruce Willis does an awesome job as a man whos going insane and the characters romance with Railly is uncomfortably forced but also feels needed for the sake of their sanities. Brad Pitt also does an amazing job in his role and almost steals the show. The movie has this great, dark atmosphere which fits very well with how the characters minds deteriorate. The mystery of the virus is just incredibly engaging. " ~JONA

"What It Is: The human race's future is in jeopardy thanks to Brad Pitt and some make-up test subjects.

Why It Matters: Hard sci fi was experiencing a renaissance in the 90s and the massive worldwide box office success combined with awards season plunder makes this one of the most popular 90s sci fi films.

What I Think: Generally, hits (or modest hits, anyway) like 12 Monkeys dont appear much in the Hollywood scene. We get space adventures all the time, and half-philosophical ones like Prometheus if were lucky, but the thriller elements of 12 Monkeys are wholly in service of ideas about time travel, memory, and subjective reality that are remarkably heady for an American movie. More remarkable still is that Gilliam doesnt curb his aggressive, alienating style for the purposes of mass entertainment. He slaps on the fisheye lenses and dives into a dense, frenetic dystopia in which the audience is made to feel just as disoriented as Bruce Willis. Gilliam also develops a delightful red herring and plays around with his concepts with such ease and madness that I daresay that it's virtually incapable of being duplicated. Combine that with a brilliantly bizarre performance from Pitt (an actor who, in my estimation, is too often underrated), and you have one of the best science fiction movies I've ever seen. Borrowing heavily from La Jetee but also Vertigo, 12 Monkeys is hard sci-fi with a soft center, a film of ideas thats nonetheless flush with outsized passion and emotion. Gilliam gave Hollywood a movie with adventure and heart, after allhe just did it his way." ~scarlet

"Nobody does dystopian futures like Terry Gilliam. The man is a creative genius, and several of his films are among my all-time favorite. Bruce Willis and Brad Pitt are both at their best here, and the time travel is handled so cleverly and impressively that Rian Johnson felt the need to send Bruce Willis back in time to his younger self again 17 years later." ~Johnbobb

"Depressing and fantastic all in one breath. When you realize that Cole is basically locked into a timeline where he is being sent back almost to assure that things happen the way they need to so those in the future can have their future set out, it makes it all the more sad when the film doesn't do anything to change this fate. Even though the movie has a sad ending, I still loved the characters so much. It's a small cast manned by talents actors, especially so in the case of Pitt as Jeffrey. This might actually be my favorite role of his I've seen; he plays this part to such an incredible level I have to wonder what sort of methods he went through to nail this part so much. Up until the very end I was certain he was involved in the grand scheme of things too, yet somehow he wasn't after all. A really surprising treat of a film." ~charon
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scarletspeed7
12/03/18 5:08:41 PM
#271:


"12 Monkeys continues the streak of amazing Brad Pitt performances throughout the 90s, but its Bruce Willis that really nails the central aspects of the film. This is one of his best roles next to David Dunn. The use of time travel and subjective memories is deep and rewards close attention, creating one of the best sci-fi plots ever put to screen. " ~Snake

"This guy goes back in time after a pandemic apocalypse only to find that everyone thinks he's crazy and puts him in the nuthouse. He kidnaps his psychiatrist and the two of them go on a roadtrip looking for the people who released the virus.
One really has to wonder if this dumbass was really the best person available to take on such an important mission with the fate of humanity at stake. Much inconvenience could have been avoided if the future science council had simply sent someone back who wasnt high on crystal meth or imbued with social skills worse than that of the Incredible Hulk.
Near the end James does the stupidest thing he has done all movie (and that is saying a lot) and unwisely decides to try hop on a flight while a wanted fugitive. 'Hey, wow, this looks exactly like my dream in the airport with my girlfriend screaming while this guy gets shot who looks exactly like my disguise I am wearing right now! So let's keep going!' Here's your Darwin Award, good sir.
There is some top-notch character interaction and something is always keeping the movie interesting. Despite the eccentric nature of most of the characters you get the feeling that they are all real people. However, at the end things go south in a really bad way with a plethora of irrational behavior on the part of everyone culminating in James trying to shoot the perpetrator of the pandemic despite him repeatedly stating that this is the kind of time travel where you cant change the past.
It's a neat concept, though it probably could have done with a few less monkeys. Or at least kept them away from the writers' keyboards." ~Karo

"At first, I found all the Dutch angles and wide-angle shots quite irritating. But as the movie went along, I found that the headache it was giving me was totally worth it, because there was a method to Terry Gilliam's madness. This is a tense, tightly-woven tapestry of a film with memorable characters and a visual style that, while a bit overbearing, ends up elevating the material. There are some great performances here, too Bruce Willis and Madeleine Stowe (who ever since I watched We Were Soldiers I've wanted to see in a better movie than that) have great chemistry as they both progressively lose their shit more and more as the movie goes on. Brad Pitt is a little more one-note, but it's definitely fun to watch him devour the scenery on the way to his first Oscar nomination. I enjoyed the shit out of this film, all told. Great poster, too." ~KBM

"12 Monkeys brings up interesting questions about time travel. Namely are we doomed to create the past in our efforts to change it? If the events are already written then are they destined to happen regardless of whether someone is sent to intervene? I couldn't help but feel bad for Willis' character here." ~Genny
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scarletspeed7
12/03/18 5:09:31 PM
#272:


"There is a saying in my family. If something is really confusing and strange, we say it is 12 Monkeys. And that is definitely an apt explanation, because this movie is a total mindjob. Never mind expectation subversion, this movie doesnt give you enough time to have expectations. Its a crazy ride through different events and time periods that gives you little time to think. And while that is definitely part of the movies charm, its also a bit of a curse because it honestly takes a few rewatches to get it. At least it did for me. Maybe I was slow on the uptake for this one? But I have to add that poor Bruce Willis died a lot in the 90s. And this time he had to even watch himself die.

Traviss Opinion: No, thank you. " ~Stifled

"This movie, I will admit, probably deserves a higher ranking than its gonna get from me. The story was interesting in conceptsending a guy back in time to try and save mankind from a massive epidemic, only for the information to be wrong, the time travel is wrong (and managed by people that dont know what the fuck theyre doing), and he winds up looping back over his own timeline. Aside from the concept of a person traveling back in time to affect the future (his present), this isnt even so much of a sci-fi movie as it is a thriller about a crazy guy who might not really be crazy. And thats not bad. The one thing holding this film back on the list (and again, this is still part of the this was good and I liked watching it portion of the list) is that its a bit dark and a bit grim, and lacks some of the charm that Ive enjoyed in much of the rest of the list. Its just a bit gritty is all. Not badjust gritty." ~Inviso

"Not ranked 12th. This was just not an enjoyable film to me. The acting was great between Willis and Pitt playing just flat out nut jobs, but the fact that I had to watch the life of a nut job who really just was never a hero and was trying to fight a world killing disease The scientists at the end certainly are not the most intelligent people for figuring out how to save humanity. It is nice to see the movie is based on the goal that you cannot change history, however." ~Wickle
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scarletspeed7
12/03/18 5:11:37 PM
#273:


The Outlander Game Part XXXII: KBM's 12th Movie
Wickle - 352
JONA - 320
Stifled - 304
KBM - 267
Inviso - 265
Snake - 261
Genny - 234
Karo - 230
Scarlet - 226
Johnbobb - 213
Charon - 207

Wickle really stretches the lead at this point.
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scarletspeed7
12/03/18 5:14:43 PM
#274:


My top ten performances by Brad Pitt, in order from best to really good:
12 Monkeys
Snatch
Burn After Reading
Ocean's Trilogy
Moneyball
Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
Fight Club
Inglourious Basterds
Babel
Tree of Life
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WickIebee
12/03/18 5:33:38 PM
#275:


scarletspeed7 posted...
its also a bit of a curse because it honestly takes a few rewatches to get it. ~Stifled


Would you say you have to watch it three times exactly?
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StifledSilence
12/03/18 5:40:03 PM
#276:


WickIebee posted...
scarletspeed7 posted...
its also a bit of a curse because it honestly takes a few rewatches to get it. ~Stifled


Would you say you have to watch it three times exactly?


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Johnbobb
12/03/18 5:58:59 PM
#277:


scarletspeed7 posted...
My top ten performances by Brad Pitt, in order from best to really good:
12 Monkeys
Snatch
Burn After Reading
Ocean's Trilogy
Moneyball
Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford
Fight Club
Inglourious Basterds
Babel
Tree of Life

That's not too far off from what I'd say

12 Monkeys
Snatch
Burn After Reading
Se7en
Fight Club
Inglourious Basterds
Moneyball
Tree of Life
Interview with the Vampire
12 Years a Slave

Really need to see Assassination of Jesse James still
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Johnbobb
12/03/18 6:03:09 PM
#278:


While I'm at it, top 10 from Bruce Willis

Unbreakable
12 Monkeys
Die Hard series
Looper
The Sixth Sense
Pulp Fiction
Sin City
The Fifth Element
Moonrise Kingdom
The music video for Stylo by Gorillaz
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Snake5555555555
12/03/18 6:13:56 PM
#279:


Johnbobb posted...
Unbreakable


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scarletspeed7
12/03/18 6:14:38 PM
#280:


When was he on Kimmy Schmidt
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JONALEON1
12/03/18 6:23:54 PM
#281:


Unbreakable - He's alive dammit!
The Sixth Sense - He's dead dammit!
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StifledSilence
12/04/18 3:23:14 PM
#282:


This topic is now Unbreakable. Cuz its alive.
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scarletspeed7
12/04/18 4:16:22 PM
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#8 - Aliens (1986)
Inviso - 1
Charon - 3
Genny - 5
Snake - 11
Johnbobb - 12
Wickle - 15
KBM - 17
Scarlet - 18
JONA - 19
Stifled - 25
Karo - 30
Total: 156

"I love this movie. Like, even going into this list, I knew that Aliens was going to stand up extremely well from the last time I saw it. And this time, I watched the extended edition for the first time (which gives more characterization to Ripley as a mother) and loved it even more. The movie is just a great action/horror film. You have Ripley dealing with a whole mess of psychological trauma from the death of her daughter and PTSD from dealing with the aliens. You have the colorful and memorable marines (I wish wed gotten a FEW more survivors of that opening massacre. Frost seemed like he couldve been an interesting addition to the cast. Drake too.) And you have Newt, who manages to pull off the acting job of a traumatized little girl EXTREMELY well. Watching Ripley grow from this shaken lunatic to a badass, fighting to protect her surrogate daughter is amazing, and really, the character growth over time is great across the board. That final scene with power suit vs. alien queen is iconic for a reason, and its the cherry on top of an amazing movie." ~Inviso

"Probably one of the best sequels in history, especially in terms of how I feel about the original movie. Without that movie's backstory I guess this one can't happen, so that could actually be the best thing I could have said about Alien. In this movie, the characters are actually characters that can stand up against the background noise of the film, and the chemistry is much more present here that in the first. Not only that, but as sequels tend to do it ups the enemy count and the enemy strength. There's something that actually feels overpowering and threatening to be found here. I enjoyed the characters of Hicks and Bishop much more than the supporting cast that was just along for the ride originally. " ~Charon

"Aliens is a better film than its predecessor in every conceivable way. Gone are the halfhearted elements of suspense, but the body horror is still present. This time instead of some grunt it's the queen bitch and she's actually intelligent which automatically makes her more threatening. It can't be overstated enough that Ripley's undying drive to protect Newt (the fuck kinda nickname is this?) makes her one of the most badass female protagonists to ever grace film. " ~Genny

"Indulging in action over horror this time around, James Cameron makes the rare sequel that changes the tone but doesnt lose any of the originals spirit or intent. In fact, the increased focus on action makes the film even more intense and it keeps you on the edge of your seat. Ridley has grown into even more capable badass this time, but she still shows vulnerabilty especially when it comes to the care of Newt. " ~Snake

"Aliens is like Alien, but a lot bigger, and not necssarily better? But still pretty damn excellent. It loses the claustrophobic horror of the first in place of big action sequences and a scary as hell final boss and a cute kid that is hilariously out of place with everyone and everything else, which all makes for a great film, even if it's a little under the original for me." ~Johnbobb

"Wait what the hell? Why is this movie so high for me? Oh right, because people were less incompetent than they were in movies below, and the action was not bad. Less bloody and all that noise. Plus the biggest annoyances were gone by the time this movie got late." ~Wickle
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scarletspeed7
12/04/18 4:16:34 PM
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"The saga of Ellen Ripley and the mysterious alien creatures who plague her continues in James Cameron's no-holds-barred action extravaganza, Aliens. The extreme shift in subgenre is actually a wise and welcome change, as later Alien sequels (as well as countless ripoffs) would go on to prove that trying to recapture the lightning-in-a-bottle horror atmosphere of the original is a dicey prospect. (And I'm saying that as someone with a soft spot for Prometheus.) This outing does have a couple moments where it walks the line of being a little *too* goofy for its own good, especially that business with Ripley operating that ridiculous-looking heavy machinery as a Chekov's skill at the end. The different versions also have their unique problems the theatrical version cuts out a lot of great, eerie setup at the beginning, along with a gutpunch of a scene where Ripley learns of her daughter Amanda's death during her stasis. On the other hand, the director's cut makes the movie's middle act way too long, with countless scenes of the group fighting off the aliens that get repetitive and rob the aliens of some of their scare factor.

But this is also a movie with a lot of heart, and it's that heart that carries the picture and elevates it above your average sci-fi blockbuster affair no matter what version you're watching. Ripley and Newt's relationship is extremely involving, obviously, but over the course of the film, you also get to know and care about a lot of the individual marines that were sent along with her a group that's maybe even more likable and well-developed than the original crew of the Nostromo. At some point along the line these movies forgot that giving the characters on the Alien Buffet personality is tantamount for us caring when they inevitably get devoured." ~KBM

What It Is: The sequel to Alien.

Why It Matters: It was the sequel to Alien.

What I Think: I prefer Alien to Aliens, the sequel to Alien, because Aliens (the sequel to Aliens) is a Marvel movie version of Alien. By that, I mean that while it is in some ways more polished, it lacks the mood and personality of the original. Although unlike Marvel movies, it develops its own mood and establishes itself as a worthy entry into the series. It's just a lot broader and less heady than the original film. Generally speaking, I'm just not a fan of broad, although in this instance, you can't get much better purely on directing, set design, and acting for a broad film. And that's why Aliens, the sequel to Alien, ranks lower for me than Alien." ~scarlet

"Its really cool to see how Ellen Ripley was affected by the first movie. The movie has both great action scenes and atmospheric scenes and the cast is quite memorable. I liked seeing the difference of the characters attitudes before and after they see what their up against. Great movie." ~JONA

"Were starting to dip into the section of my list that I still enjoyed, but was less enthusiastic about. This was a huge improvement over Alien, first and foremost. Many of the iconic things I associate with the series was here, particularly the lifter mech. The cast was better, the action was better, and having a cute kid tossed in helped keep things fresh. But similar to the first movie, there was a lot of downtime that padded the run time. I think with a better pace, this could be an excellent movie. As it is, its just pretty good.

Traviss opinion: I would prefer Travis not see aliens popping out of chests and people being ripped apart. You know, just a personal preference. He skipped this one. " ~Stifled
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scarletspeed7
12/04/18 4:18:18 PM
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"Aliens, there's a lot of them this time because since one of them was scary, hundreds of them would be even MORE scary, right? Actually, that's not how things work at all.
The tense encounter between a crew and an alien organism has now been replaced by obnoxious space marines who tear through scores of xenomorphs like they were cheap video game monster fodder. Indeed, with how what was once a terrifying character reduced to nothing more than a Zerg Rush, we have to introduce the Xenomorph Queen, because maybe if they made one of them reaaaaaallly big, it would still be frightening (it is not really).
Ripley also is there on the mission, even though there is literally no rational reason for her to come along other than being the main character. Speaking of the marines, you'd think that the company would be able to afford to hire better soldiers then this group of numbskulls, god help them if they didn't have this diminutive civilian girl to constantly tell them to stop doing something stupid or to quit crying for their mommies.
So much about the plot is unbelievable rubbish that exists solely to force the stage for humans being mauled by toothy extraterrestrials, such as them getting marooned on the planet because they literally left not a single person on board the orbital spacecraft to rescue them if need be. Or the xenomorphs being able to efficiently hunt down the humans through walls in this gigantic industrial complex, yet didnt notice the little girl hiding in the air conditioning for weeks. Not to mention the last-second escape from the most meticulously controlled nuclear meltdown ever.
Hollywood is littered with unwise sequels to classic movies, and while there was potential for a good followup to Alien this was sure as hell not the way to do it." ~Karo
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Espeon
12/04/18 4:19:17 PM
#286:


Ugh, I knew it had to be coming soon, given Alien placing low, but I hoped itd outlast my 39 at least.
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scarletspeed7
12/04/18 4:20:05 PM
#287:


The Outlander Game Part XXXIII: #1s
Wickle - 359
JONA - 331
Stifled - 321
KBM - 276
Inviso - 272
Snake - 264
Karo - 252
Genny - 237
Scarlet - 236
Johnbobb - 217
Charon - 212

Nothing of note here. Outlanders are pretty set in stone.
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Johnbobb
12/04/18 4:53:41 PM
#288:


scarletspeed7 posted...
Outlanders are pretty set in stone.

it could still go either way between me and Charon for last place!

Hoping to score that 2nd last place spot on my 4th list. That has to be a record, right?
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scarletspeed7
12/04/18 4:58:11 PM
#289:


I had bottom for Dreamworks, Bond, Animation II, DC Films and I want to say something else too, but I can't remember now. But bottom isn't as cool as top.
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GenesisSaga
12/04/18 5:09:42 PM
#290:


Look I'm not gonna say you people who prefer Alien to Aliens are wrong, I'm just gonna say you're weird.

Like I appreciate the atmosphere Scott was trying to set up, but the film was such a slow burn that it just doesn't entertain on the level the sequel does. Also an intelligent antagonist is so much cooler than one that runs on pure survival instinct.

You think Xenomorph Queen would get herself stuck in the piping of the escape pod's walls? Pah!
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Lopen
12/04/18 5:22:41 PM
#291:


I can respect Alien > Aliens. Aliens has better pacing and action, and better character interactions, but Alien is the more unique film experience by a lot and stands out among its peers a bit more (largely due to less competition, to be fair), which does mean something.

I'm in the Aliens squad myself but Alien does a lot of things well and in some ways I would call it the movie of the two that is more "essential viewing" despite preferring Aliens, just because you can kinda get "Aliens but better" from a lot of movies imo while Alien to me would be the quintessential suspense driven film.
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Johnbobb
12/04/18 5:34:59 PM
#292:


One of the big reasons I like Alien > Aliens is the same reasons I like Stranger Things S1 > S2

minor ST spoilers: The alien initially is horrifying when it's one sole monster, but when you add in a whole lot of them, it makes each one individually much less scary. Same thing happened with the Demogorgons in Stranger Things.

I mean it's no big surprise that you'd like Aliens > Alien if you're in it for the action, just like it's no surprise to like Alien > Aliens if you're in it for the horror
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Lopen
12/04/18 5:44:29 PM
#293:


Yeah exactly. Basically my feeling is like

As a horror movie Alien is top tier
As an action movie Aliens is quite good, but not like, amazing or anything.

However, generally speaking I like action a lot more than horror, ergo I like Aliens more. But I feel like objectively Alien is probably better at what it's trying to do.

Although I will say some of the improvements Aliens makes to the formula could have been backtracked to Alien and made it better. Like comparing the movies it's definitely not all genre specific or anything.
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Vengeful_KBM
12/04/18 5:51:32 PM
#294:


Johnbobb posted...
One of the big reasons I like Alien > Aliens is the same reasons I like Stranger Things S1 > S2

minor ST spoilers: The alien initially is horrifying when it's one sole monster, but when you add in a whole lot of them, it makes each one individually much less scary. Same thing happened with the Demogorgons in Stranger Things.

I mean it's no big surprise that you'd like Aliens > Alien if you're in it for the action, just like it's no surprise to like Alien > Aliens if you're in it for the horror


Exactly this. I'm much, much more of a horror/suspense person than an action person, and atmosphere also counts for a lot for me, and I totally agree on both the Alien and Stranger Things counts. (That's not to say there aren't plenty of action movies out there I love - Die Hard and the Mad Max series, for instance.)
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12/04/18 5:59:51 PM
#295:


I accept Alien > Aliens as an opinion, but Aliens is still the one for me.
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WickIebee
12/04/18 7:37:00 PM
#296:


It's still my headcannon that the Alien Ripley ejected into space in the first movie is the one that snuck into the rescue carrier and killed the two pilots in the second.
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v_charon
12/04/18 8:19:45 PM
#297:


Johnbobb posted...
it could still go either way between me and Charon for last place!


No chance I finish last. My #30 magically remains alive as well as 20. Must be like Assault on Arkam.
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v_charon
12/05/18 12:40:07 AM
#299:


scarletspeed7 posted...
I had bottom for Dreamworks, Bond, Animation II, DC Films and I want to say something else too, but I can't remember now. But bottom isn't as cool as top.


And I don't agree with this. Top just means you're the weirdest oddball in the group for that project, and it also likely means that the results were pretty bad for your list rankings. The lower your ranking, the more likely you enjoyed the final results of the placements.

That said, Johnbobb has this. At the very least, I have a +37 to my final score. That's if my #30 falls at 7 and my #20 is placing sixth. I don't think that's going to happen, so yeah. Even if it did I wouldn't win.
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scarletspeed7
12/05/18 12:47:39 AM
#300:


Yeah but top people are the ones who actually engender discussion. No one ever cares what bottom rankers think or go out of their way to comment on it.
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WickIebee
12/05/18 1:17:27 PM
#301:


I mean, they mostly care about top people if their write-ups are infantile rants. Like some poster who gets bitchy when someone makes fun of the fact that there's an i in his username.
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