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The Wave Master
12/15/18 7:09:13 PM
#151:


Scarlett acquired tickets to Spider-Man: into the Spider-Verse for Monday morning. Therefore, if you see the movie this weekend please save the spoilers until at least next weekend.

I have heard nothing but great things from all my friends and family, and I'm excited to see the film.

Side note: They opened a new state of the art theater in Biloxi with a pizza bar and unlimited drinks and popcorn. I love movie theater popcorn, and my sole mission on Monday is to eat them out of all of their popcorn, and to see the movie too I guess. My Wife's mission is to drink as many icee's as possible. I think she may ha e a problem.

Interestingly because of the new theater and the unlimited popcorn and drinks; there is very little need for her giant purse I got her for Christmas.
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Metalsonic66
12/15/18 7:13:26 PM
#152:


Seeing it tomorrow morning
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WhiskeyDisk
12/15/18 7:48:59 PM
#153:


Avengers: Endgame trailer, except everyone is Deadpool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1yo2Tlj9TY" data-time="

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Zeus
12/15/18 11:41:01 PM
#154:


Picked up a used copy of Amazing Spider-Man 2 today even though I can't remember if I already own a copy. Needless to say, this is exactly why I need to finish that spreadsheet. If I'm wrong, it was only $1.80 so no major loss.

Also picked up some older comics (like 90s, not like real old) at the same time. Really just grabbed one of the bags because X-Men #25 (1993) had a Gambit hologram on the cover, which was a pretty serious nostalgia blast. X-Men #2 (1993) was also in that same bag.

The other bag had Elfquest: Shards #16, which I picked up because the art style looked interesting. I didn't realize that it was basically a glorified illustrated children's book, since it's very heavy on words with just a few larger illustrations on each page. It was packed with Mirrors Edge #6 (obviously not a 90s title), which also made it somewhat appealing. The cover art for that one is alright, but the art style is vastly different (and kinda awful) for the comic itself. While I remember that was kind of a thing with the comic industry, usually it doesn't feel like as much of a bait&switch.

WhiskeyDisk posted...
I carry an EDC bag every day, and I'm the first guy to tell you outright that it's a glorified manpurse, but it's a yukon tactical scout sling bag so it's totally ok and not at all a purse.

Now granted, it is an assortment of tools, grooming, first aid, and cutlery that would allow me to fix a great many things or build a 3 day shelter in an emergency, but it's totally not a purse.


Isn't that a backpack, though?

The Wave Master posted...
Zeus, I honestly have never bought another man a purse. I guess I am part of the problem, but how do I change? I have bought my wife tampons and pads, do j get them for my male friends too? But if I do buy them tampons and pads will they ever use them? I don'twant to be that guy that gets his friends terrible and useless gifts.

I'm so confused.

What should I do?


Well, whichever way you go, be consistent regardless of gender!

The Wave Master posted...
Scarlett acquired tickets to Spider-Man: into the Spider-Verse for Monday morning. Therefore, if you see the movie this weekend please save the spoilers until at least next weekend.

I have heard nothing but great things from all my friends and family, and I'm excited to see the film.

Side note: They opened a new state of the art theater in Biloxi with a pizza bar and unlimited drinks and popcorn. I love movie theater popcorn, and my sole mission on Monday is to eat them out of all of their popcorn, and to see the movie too I guess. My Wife's mission is to drink as many icee's as possible. I think she may ha e a problem.

Interestingly because of the new theater and the unlimited popcorn and drinks; there is very little need for her giant purse I got her for Christmas.


Unlimited popcorn? Geez, dude, is your wife trying to kill you? XD
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ParanoidObsessive
12/16/18 2:58:15 AM
#155:


In the Tremors topic that is currently floating around on the board somewhere, I referenced an old movie from the way back dim and misty, and went to Youtube to look for a trailer to post. Imagine my absolute surprise when I found the entire movie on Youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMte4btEG5M" data-time="

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXgY1Uv1zoY" data-time="


I feel like I should demand that everyone in this topic watch the movie as homework, then be ready to come back and take a quiz on it. The trailer makes it look a bit cheesier than it actually is, but it's been one of my favorite movies ever for years now (and I hate the fact that they never released it on DVD, only VHS... of which I have two copies). I love the writing, I love nearly every performance (and it helps that nearly every major actor in it is someone I also like from other things), and I love the concept of the setting (which very likely somewhat inspired my later love for Mage: the Ascension as an RPG).

(Of course now I've talked it up, so it will never live up to the hype, you'll all dismiss it, and then I'll be forced to hunt and kill you all.)


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I_Abibde
12/16/18 1:17:16 PM
#156:


In-ter-es-ting. Easy to forget that a large number of movies never made the transition from VHS to DVD ... and, thus, from DVD to the Blu-Ray / streaming video era. Will remind myself to give that a watch as time permits.
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Metalsonic66
12/16/18 3:35:06 PM
#157:


Spider-Verse was great.
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Zeus
12/16/18 9:55:58 PM
#158:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
The trailer makes it look a bit cheesier than it actually is,


I'm honestly more concerned that it won't be anywhere near as cheesy as that hilarious trailer.
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The Wave Master
12/18/18 10:15:15 AM
#159:


I did make it to see Spider-man: Into the Spider-Verse yesterday morning. It was a fun ride, and I enjoyed the animation style and the voice acting. There were a ton of Easter eggs, and that made the experience a lot more enjoyable.

My only complaint, which is small, us that as a huge Spider-man fan the plot didn't stray too far from the comic source material. The changes that were made were a refreshing touch, and made me smile. My wife was surprised at the twist and turns and she enjoyed the movie a lot.

The new theater was nice. We had to wait an extra 30 minutes to see the film because the management and staff had to clean the theater because they bused in a whole crap load of Christain or Catholic school kids to see The Grinch. That let us take advantage of the unlimited popcorn and soda, so the complains were minimal.

The best part that with tickets, a large tub of popcorn, and large drinks we only spent a total of 25 bucks. Tickets were 6 dollars a piece, and the snacks were 13 bucks too. It was a cheap date considering I have spent over 50 bucks to see a movie plus snacks before.

Overall, not a bad time at the movies.
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Zeus
12/19/18 1:27:47 AM
#160:


I haven't been paying much attention to Mega Man: Fully Charged -- especially since what little I did see of it looked bad -- but I just saw the design for Air Man and, well.... ugh. Seriously, ugh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MnhW83RqQ-Q" data-time="


I'm somewhat impressed that they could take a goofy design and go even goofier. There's nothing really fun about the redesign. I will say that MMBN also kinda missed the mark, but at least it was because they wanted to preserve some of the original look.
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Metalsonic66
12/19/18 9:36:56 AM
#161:


The less said about that show, the better
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The Wave Master
12/19/18 6:23:32 PM
#162:


Hellboy Reboot trailer is up.

It just doesn't seem right and and I like David Haebour and Ian Mcshane, but something feels off, maybe fan fiction about it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7rZZlMzjkw" data-time="

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Zeus
12/20/18 1:12:47 AM
#163:


The Wave Master posted...
Hellboy Reboot trailer is up.

It just doesn't seem right and and I like David Haebour and Ian Mcshane, but something feels off, maybe fan fiction about it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7rZZlMzjkw" data-time="


Well, that looks terrible. Why did the series need a reboot again?
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WhiskeyDisk
12/20/18 3:18:53 AM
#164:


...what is so bad about it really? It's already a more or less absurd premise to begin with, and I'm not the least bit surprised that this has a Blade/LxG/Preacher vibe to it.

I love Sandman, but after seeing what was done to Lucifer, I have no illusions about the sacrifices I'd have to endure to ever see it get out of development hell.

Imagine Batman getting a Netflix treatment.

Nobody is ever going to be happy at the end of the day.
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mooreandrew58
12/20/18 3:42:13 PM
#165:


WhiskeyDisk posted...
...what is so bad about it really? It's already a more or less absurd premise to begin with, and I'm not the least bit surprised that this has a Blade/LxG/Preacher vibe to it.

I love Sandman, but after seeing what was done to Lucifer, I have no illusions about the sacrifices I'd have to endure to ever see it get out of development hell.

Imagine Batman getting a Netflix treatment.

Nobody is ever going to be happy at the end of the day.


Maybe not Netflix but I always felt Batman was better suited to a TV show than movies or other heroes who have gotten shows. He has many many interesting villains that just aren't big enough threats for a movie, and current super hero shows always have the hero having a team around them. That works for him, Robin Nightwing Batgirl/Oracle and of course Alfred. To some degree gordon
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I_Abibde
12/20/18 8:51:55 PM
#166:


Hellboy needed another sequel (directed by Del Toro, as before), not a reboot, but Hollywood seems to be allergic to anything resembling common sense.
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The Wave Master
12/20/18 11:08:09 PM
#167:


MIB International trailer.

Not as bad as the Hellboy trailer from yesterday, buy I feel like this movie isn't going to add anything new to the franchise. I'm sure it's going to be fun, but nothing I can't get from the previous 3 movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV-WEb2oxLk" data-time="

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Zeus
12/20/18 11:36:00 PM
#168:


mooreandrew58 posted...
WhiskeyDisk posted...
...what is so bad about it really? It's already a more or less absurd premise to begin with, and I'm not the least bit surprised that this has a Blade/LxG/Preacher vibe to it.

I love Sandman, but after seeing what was done to Lucifer, I have no illusions about the sacrifices I'd have to endure to ever see it get out of development hell.

Imagine Batman getting a Netflix treatment.

Nobody is ever going to be happy at the end of the day.


Maybe not Netflix but I always felt Batman was better suited to a TV show than movies or other heroes who have gotten shows. He has many many interesting villains that just aren't big enough threats for a movie, and current super hero shows always have the hero having a team around them. That works for him, Robin Nightwing Batgirl/Oracle and of course Alfred. To some degree gordon


Yeah, a lot of superhero stories work far better as a tv show especially since you can have running storylines involving masterminds. Daredevil was perfect in that regard since s1 had a slow build where the Kingpin didn't even show up right away. It was definitely the best-constructed of the Marvel NFI shows.

And while Batman could logically be broken up into a tv show, the format has also always worked well for Superman because he has Lex Luthor.

The Wave Master posted...
MIB International trailer.

Not as bad as the Hellboy trailer from yesterday, buy I feel like this movie isn't going to add anything new to the franchise. I'm sure it's going to be fun, but nothing I can't get from the previous 3 movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV-WEb2oxLk" data-time="


It doesn't look bad, it's just a pointless reboot. The casting also seems awkward, more so for Hemsworth than Thompson.
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mooreandrew58
12/20/18 11:49:20 PM
#169:


Zeus posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
WhiskeyDisk posted...
...what is so bad about it really? It's already a more or less absurd premise to begin with, and I'm not the least bit surprised that this has a Blade/LxG/Preacher vibe to it.

I love Sandman, but after seeing what was done to Lucifer, I have no illusions about the sacrifices I'd have to endure to ever see it get out of development hell.

Imagine Batman getting a Netflix treatment.

Nobody is ever going to be happy at the end of the day.


Maybe not Netflix but I always felt Batman was better suited to a TV show than movies or other heroes who have gotten shows. He has many many interesting villains that just aren't big enough threats for a movie, and current super hero shows always have the hero having a team around them. That works for him, Robin Nightwing Batgirl/Oracle and of course Alfred. To some degree gordon


Yeah, a lot of superhero stories work far better as a tv show especially since you can have running storylines involving masterminds. Daredevil was perfect in that regard since s1 had a slow build where the Kingpin didn't even show up right away. It was definitely the best-constructed of the Marvel NFI shows.

And while Batman could logically be broken up into a tv show, the format has also always worked well for Superman because he has Lex Luthor.

The Wave Master posted...
MIB International trailer.

Not as bad as the Hellboy trailer from yesterday, buy I feel like this movie isn't going to add anything new to the franchise. I'm sure it's going to be fun, but nothing I can't get from the previous 3 movies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BV-WEb2oxLk" data-time="


It doesn't look bad, it's just a pointless reboot. The casting also seems awkward, more so for Hemsworth than Thompson.


I feel a TV show would also be able to show off Batman's detective work more than a movie. He doesn't always find out instantly who the bad guy is. It could be fun for those of us who are familiar with his rogues gallery. Trying to figure out who's behind it based on the clues and MO
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Zeus
12/20/18 11:51:46 PM
#170:


mooreandrew58 posted...
I feel a TV show would also be able to show off Batman's detective work more than a movie. He doesn't always find out instantly who the bad guy is. It could be fun for those of us who are familiar with his rogues gallery. Trying to figure out who's behind it based on the clues and MO


That aspect would kinda make it goofy, though, especially because his villains tend to have signature styles.
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mooreandrew58
12/20/18 11:58:00 PM
#171:


Zeus posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
I feel a TV show would also be able to show off Batman's detective work more than a movie. He doesn't always find out instantly who the bad guy is. It could be fun for those of us who are familiar with his rogues gallery. Trying to figure out who's behind it based on the clues and MO


That aspect would kinda make it goofy, though, especially because his villains tend to have signature styles.


How would it be goofy. Im assuming if they did a show it would be as if it was his first time encountering the villains. And some would be easy for us viewers sure but some they could be vague enough with the clues or it be a more obscure villain we wouldn't think of right away.

Like Riddler yeah he'd be a dead giveaway if they did him right. Two face or penguin would be a little harder.

Zzaaz or however it's spelled though. Iirc he's just a vanilla serial killer who cuts himself for every kill he makes so he'd be perhaps difficult.
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Entity13
12/21/18 3:59:53 PM
#172:


mooreandrew58 posted...
Zeus posted...
mooreandrew58 posted...
I feel a TV show would also be able to show off Batman's detective work more than a movie. He doesn't always find out instantly who the bad guy is. It could be fun for those of us who are familiar with his rogues gallery. Trying to figure out who's behind it based on the clues and MO


That aspect would kinda make it goofy, though, especially because his villains tend to have signature styles.


How would it be goofy. Im assuming if they did a show it would be as if it was his first time encountering the villains. And some would be easy for us viewers sure but some they could be vague enough with the clues or it be a more obscure villain we wouldn't think of right away.

Like Riddler yeah he'd be a dead giveaway if they did him right. Two face or penguin would be a little harder.

Zzaaz or however it's spelled though. Iirc he's just a vanilla serial killer who cuts himself for every kill he makes so he'd be perhaps difficult.


Well, one villain was regarded as a third-rate Riddler, so going after Nigma could lead to a dead end at first until Batman finds new clues left behind by a girl trying to remain secret (the villain's daughter, Stephanie).

Plus his Rogue Gallery aren't the only criminals he's taken down, so the idea of a sort of police procedural starring Batman could be interesting if done right.
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ParanoidObsessive
12/23/18 11:35:01 AM
#173:


Zeus posted...
Yeah, a lot of superhero stories work far better as a tv show especially since you can have running storylines involving masterminds.

Marvel has a TON of street-level characters, a lot of whom are interesting enough in their own right to support TV shows, but which probably wouldn't work on the larger screen where we tend to expect more elaborate powers and huge action. The Netflix shows started to tap into that universe, but there's still a lot left over. Especially if they decided to run with some of the more disparate genres Marvel has access to - I could easily see a Blade/Nightstalkers/Darkhold/etc series (or multiple interconnected series) rooted in the Tomb of Dracula/Werewolf by Night side of the setting a la the 70s horror comics. The Blade TV show was a thing, but it was kind of poorly handled and it was prior to the success of Marvel Studios and the subsequent Disney acquisition - a modern reboot could be handled more like the Netflix series and potentially be far more successful. And Marvel's got other little sub-settings that exist like nuggest isolated from most of the rest of the universe (like Marvel UK used to be, or some of the weirder limited series of the 80s).

Movies probably work best for "save the world/save the universe"-type characters, while TV is especially well-suited for "save the city"-type characters. Especially ones with more elaborate supporting casts and characterization taking the place of fighting aliens or shooting lasers all over the place.

I'm kind of surprised we haven't see a Power Pack show or movie yet - it has more or less perfect synergy with Disney as a whole.

Though the real problem that needs to be addressed is that apparently the people running Marvel's film side have a lot of issues with the people running TV, so the film side tends to shit on TV as often as possible, which screws TV over a bit. If they could work that animosity out and get their shit together, you could get a lot more effective crossover and cross-promotion than the sort of thing we got when Agents of SHIELD was half-assing it because the film side wouldn't cooperate.


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I_Abibde
12/23/18 3:23:20 PM
#174:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
The Netflix shows started to tap into that universe, but there's still a lot left over.


I still need a Moon Knight show.
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The Wave Master
12/23/18 3:46:21 PM
#175:


Has anyone seen Aquaman yet? I was going to go this morning, but the wife and I got sick, and couldn't make the showing.

I still feel like oke crap, and I'm at home with a hot cup of tea and a blanket. If you have seen the film let me know how it turned out.
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WhiskeyDisk
12/23/18 4:11:33 PM
#176:


A friend from work saw Aquaman yesterday and said it was even better than Wonder Woman.
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ParanoidObsessive
12/23/18 6:05:12 PM
#177:


I_Abibde posted...
ParanoidObsessive posted...
The Netflix shows started to tap into that universe, but there's still a lot left over.

I still need a Moon Knight show.

I too would like to see batshit Batman with ancient Egyptian god magic get his own show.


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shadowsword87
12/24/18 1:07:10 AM
#178:


So, anyone watch They Shall Not Grow Old?
It has all of the elements I would love, and I'm just curious if anyone has seen it.
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Zeus
12/24/18 1:23:59 AM
#179:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
Marvel has a TON of street-level characters, a lot of whom are interesting enough in their own right to support TV shows, but which probably wouldn't work on the larger screen where we tend to expect more elaborate powers and huge action.


Maybe, maybe not. If a character could work outside of the traditional superhero sense, they could run it as more of a garden variety action film or in another genre entirely.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Though the real problem that needs to be addressed is that apparently the people running Marvel's film side have a lot of issues with the people running TV, so the film side tends to shit on TV as often as possible, which screws TV over a bit. If they could work that animosity out and get their shit together, you could get a lot more effective crossover and cross-promotion than the sort of thing we got when Agents of SHIELD was half-assing it because the film side wouldn't cooperate.


Can't really expect the movie side to cooperate, given that side has more money to splash around >_>
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ParanoidObsessive
12/24/18 10:38:21 AM
#180:


Zeus posted...
Maybe, maybe not. If a character could work outside of the traditional superhero sense, they could run it as more of a garden variety action film or in another genre entirely.

Yeah, but if you stray too far outside the superhero sense we're really not talking about a "comic book movie" any more. That term usually refers to superhero stories specifically.

Like, the movie "From Hell" was based on the Alan Moore comic, but it was a movie about Jack the Ripper, so most people who saw it would never know it was a comic book first. Same with stuff like Timecop or Men in Black. Very few people would call them comic book movies, even though they're movies based on comic books.

My point was more that, there are costumed heroes who have no powers (like the Punisher), or ones with very low-level powers (like Daredevil), who tend to fight low-level threats (like mobsters or occult martial artists or whatever) instead of world-shaking alien invasions or robot apocalypses. And those don't necessarily work as well in film, because people go to see "superhero movies" expecting bombastic over-the-top action for the most part (even Batman tends to focus more on the more unrealistic aspects of the character).



Zeus posted...
Can't really expect the movie side to cooperate, given that side has more money to splash around >_>

Yeah, but you'd still expect them to cooperate to some degree, because they ARE part of the same company, and because working together can make both sides more successful and generate more revenue for the overall company as a whole. Petty dick-swinging just loses money for everyone.

If anything, that's the main problem DC's always had. Because DC and Warner Bros. are both owned by the same company, every DC movie gets shunted to Warner Bros by default. But Warner Bros as an entity clearly doesn't actually want to make comic book movies, and has always had a somewhat adversarial relationship with DC (plenty of people in DC have mentioned that they're rarely consulted on comic films, and even when they are their advice is usually ignored). Which probably plays a role in why most DC films seem to suck so badly, and often miss the entire point of the characters.

It's also potentially why DC animation has done so well over the years - for most of the time that Dini and Timm were in charge of things, there was always a strong sense of cooperation and respect with DC and the animation teams working together, which in turn tended to produce products that were much better overall.

When it comes to Disney, it seems like the overarching company of Disney and Marvel as a sub-property have always seemed to work well together, while Marvel Studios as a film company and Marvel as a comic publisher have always had strong reciprocity, which absolutely helped the quality of the films. But for some reason, the film department seems to strongly dislike the TV department, in spite of the film department basically being the ones who helped establish the TV department in the first place.

I also wonder if this might become a worse problem for Disney in general in the future, as it's been mentioned that a lot of the division heads are sort of standoffish with each other, because they're all going to be in competition for the CEO role soon once the current regime steps down (which is going to be very soon). If their overall unity starts to fracture more, it might lead to a drop in quality for the product as a whole.


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I_Abibde
12/24/18 5:35:41 PM
#181:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
I too would like to see batshit Batman with ancient Egyptian god magic get his own show.


The best arcs for the character, if you ask me, are the ones where the writer keeps the reader guessing as to whether or not the Moon Knight has these powers ... or if he is imagining all of it. Does he have a voice in his head ... or is he hallucinating? Pretty cool stuff.

Bonus points to Blade: The Series -- which I actually enjoyed a fair bit -- for dropping a Moon Knight reference. Made me hopeful for the future.
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ParanoidObsessive
12/24/18 8:28:48 PM
#182:


I_Abibde posted...
The best arcs for the character, if you ask me, are the ones where the writer keeps the reader guessing as to whether or not the Moon Knight has these powers ... or if he is imagining all of it. Does he have a voice in his head ... or is he hallucinating? Pretty cool stuff.

My problem with that is that some of the first Moon Knight stuff I ever read was when he was part of the West Coast Avengers, when they literally time traveled back to ancient Egypt, and it was pretty clearly established straight up that Khonshu is 112% real and absolutely chose Marc Spector as his anointed avatar and champion. Up to and including literally possessing him in a couple of issues and using him like a meat puppet.

So when you read a story later that is being more ambiguous about it, it's hard to buy into the ambiguity when my brain is going "No, there's no ambiguity, he is absolutely blessed by an Egyptian god who has given him magical powers. We have already established this."

That being said, Marc Spector IS crazy - that's something else that's 100% established. So the real ambiguity comes from the line between drawn where the magic stops and the crazy starts. If Marc hears Khonshu speaking to him in his head, is it REALLY Khonshu? Because it totally might be. Or it might be the crazy talking.


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WhiskeyDisk
12/24/18 9:10:58 PM
#183:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
I_Abibde posted...
The best arcs for the character, if you ask me, are the ones where the writer keeps the reader guessing as to whether or not the Moon Knight has these powers ... or if he is imagining all of it. Does he have a voice in his head ... or is he hallucinating? Pretty cool stuff.

My problem with that is that some of the first Moon Knight stuff I ever read was when he was part of the West Coast Avengers, when they literally time traveled back to ancient Egypt, and it was pretty clearly established straight up that Khonshu is 112% real and absolutely chose Marc Spector as his anointed avatar and champion. Up to and including literally possessing him in a couple of issues and using him like a meat puppet.

So when you read a story later that is being more ambiguous about it, it's hard to buy into the ambiguity when my brain is going "No, there's no ambiguity, he is absolutely blessed by an Egyptian god who has given him magical powers. We have already established this."

That being said, Marc Spector IS crazy - that's something else that's 100% established. So the real ambiguity comes from the line between drawn where the magic stops and the crazy starts. If Marc hears Khonshu speaking to him in his head, is it REALLY Khonshu? Because it totally might be. Or it might be the crazy talking.



Where's Jamie Braddock when you need him to sort out who's batshit crazy and who isn't?

>_>
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Zeus
12/25/18 2:13:32 AM
#184:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
My point was more that, there are costumed heroes who have no powers (like the Punisher), or ones with very low-level powers (like Daredevil), who tend to fight low-level threats (like mobsters or occult martial artists or whatever) instead of world-shaking alien invasions or robot apocalypses. And those don't necessarily work as well in film, because people go to see "superhero movies" expecting bombastic over-the-top action for the most part (even Batman tends to focus more on the more unrealistic aspects of the character).


The fact that we've had two Punisher movies somewhat contradicts that idea =p Not to mention that Punisher has been portrayed as ridiculously over the top and unrealistic. (I guess we also had a Daredevil film but....)

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Yeah, but you'd still expect them to cooperate to some degree, because they ARE part of the same company, and because working together can make both sides more successful and generate more revenue for the overall company as a whole. Petty dick-swinging just loses money for everyone.


Maybe in a world without silos.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
It's also potentially why DC animation has done so well over the years - for most of the time that Dini and Timm were in charge of things, there was always a strong sense of cooperation and respect with DC and the animation teams working together, which in turn tended to produce products that were much better overall.


You should probably clarify "animated series" since the animated movies are absurdly hit or miss. >_>
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ParanoidObsessive
12/25/18 9:38:22 AM
#185:


WhiskeyDisk posted...
Where's Jamie Braddock when you need him to sort out who's batshit crazy and who isn't?

Oh God, that character is so ridiculous.

As much as I love Chris Claremont in general, his Captain Britain run was just weird.



Zeus posted...
The fact that we've had two Punisher movies somewhat contradicts that idea

Three, actually.

But I consider those to support my point - because almost no one likes those movies.


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I_Abibde
12/25/18 7:08:04 PM
#186:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
*** Marc Spector ***


Valid. I was mostly thinking back to his original solo run back in the '70s, where the ambiguity is definitely present. His comic in the '00s -- there's more than one, but I mean the Eaglesham-Finch one -- goes back to that.
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Zeus
12/25/18 8:45:09 PM
#187:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
Zeus posted...
The fact that we've had two Punisher movies somewhat contradicts that idea

Three, actually.

But I consider those to support my point - because almost no one likes those movies.


War Zone was awesome. afaik, the issue was the fact it didn't get a wider release and was poisoned by the first film's failure.

I also liked Daredevil, although a not-terribly-large black Kingpin made for ridiculous casting in an already weirdly-cast film.
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WhiskeyDisk
12/26/18 8:08:59 AM
#188:


Caught a late show of Aquaman last night and...I liked it. It's dumb on a "Deus ex machina/chain of unbelievable coincidences" level if you think about it too hard, but it was entertaining all around.

Not a bad DC superhero movie by any means, but Cinema Sins is eventually going to have a field day with it is all I'm saying.
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12/26/18 9:06:46 AM
#189:


Still looking forward to seeing it and the upcoming Shazam.
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Metalsonic66
12/26/18 9:26:43 AM
#190:


Zeus posted...
I also liked Daredevil, although a not-terribly-large black Kingpin made for ridiculous casting in an already weirdly-cast film.

MCD as Kingpin was actually one of the best things about that movie, other than the multiple Evanescence music breakdowns.
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ParanoidObsessive
12/26/18 2:44:23 PM
#191:


Zeus posted...
I also liked Daredevil, although a not-terribly-large black Kingpin made for ridiculous casting in an already weirdly-cast film.

To be fair, I kind of lump that in the same category as all female heroes having giant tits. It's kind of unrealistic for live-action, and if you try to simulate it anyway it starts looking kind of ridiculous. It'd be really hard to cast someone to look like comic book Kingpin, because comic book Kingpin is over-exaggerated to extreme degrees.

(The same reason I never really had a problem with the original X-Men movie giving them black leather outfits instead of the yellow spandex costumes from the comics - what looks good in one medium doesn't necessarily work well in another. Which is, ironically, why I DID hate when they started using the black leather outfits in the comics, because they kind of looked like shit there.)

Sure, you could cast someone with a body-type/face like Erland Van Lidth De Jeude or Pruitt Taylor Vince, but those don't really convey the implied "none of this is fat, it's all muscle" aspect of the character. Or you might be able to find a wrestler or strongman with a "fat" body that is mostly strength, but then you've got a non-actor in the role and you lose performance for the sake of appearance (which happened way too much in earlier comic book movies).

Not that I think Michael Clarke Duncan was the best choice for the role (for multiple reasons), or that how he played the character was even necessarily the best that he specifically could have done in and of himself, but I do understand why we're probably never getting a perfect comic book version of the Kingpin on-screen.

D'Onofrio did a good job with the look and persona, but still really lacks that "this is a man who could potentially beat the shit out of Daredevil bare-handed" sort of vibe.


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Metalsonic66
12/26/18 3:18:18 PM
#192:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
this is a man who could potentially beat the shit out of Spider-Man bare-handed

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ParanoidObsessive
12/26/18 9:00:12 PM
#193:


Metalsonic66 posted...
ParanoidObsessive posted...
this is a man who could potentially beat the shit out of Spider-Man bare-handed

I actually almost said that at first, then reconsidered because Spider-Man has both radically enhanced strength and endurance (and the whole predictive combat thing with the Spider-Sense). He's fought at least one herald of Galactus and won, when most humans would have been splattered into paste after a single hit.

It's kind of impossible for anyone of mere human strength to beat Spider-Man under normal conditions. Even enhanced people tend to have trouble doing it unless he's already halfway to having beaten himself. Which is pretty much the only way ANYONE really beats Spider-Man without insane powers or tech - 90% of the time, he's holding back the vast majority of his own power.

Daredevil is mostly just an ordinary human, radar sense excepted. An incredibly athletic, well-trained human at the peak of human physical limits, but human nontheless.


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Zeus
12/26/18 11:07:42 PM
#194:


Metalsonic66 posted...
Zeus posted...
I also liked Daredevil, although a not-terribly-large black Kingpin made for ridiculous casting in an already weirdly-cast film.

MCD as Kingpin was actually one of the best things about that movie, other than the multiple Evanescence music breakdowns.


Evanescense was awesome, but MCD was a terrible fit for Kingpin. He would have made a killer Barracuda, though.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barracuda_(comics)

ParanoidObsessive posted...
(The same reason I never really had a problem with the original X-Men movie giving them black leather outfits instead of the yellow spandex costumes from the comics - what looks good in one medium doesn't necessarily work well in another. Which is, ironically, why I DID hate when they started using the black leather outfits in the comics, because they kind of looked like shit there.)


I was originally ok with the black leather costumes, but then First Class showed that the concept could have been handled much better.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
Sure, you could cast someone with a body-type/face like Erland Van Lidth De Jeude or Pruitt Taylor Vince, but those don't really convey the implied "none of this is fat, it's all muscle" aspect of the character. Or you might be able to find a wrestler or strongman with a "fat" body that is mostly strength, but then you've got a non-actor in the role and you lose performance for the sake of appearance (which happened way too much in earlier comic book movies).

Not that I think Michael Clarke Duncan was the best choice for the role (for multiple reasons), or that how he played the character was even necessarily the best that he specifically could have done in and of himself, but I do understand why we're probably never getting a perfect comic book version of the Kingpin on-screen.


Michael Chiklis would have been a much better pick.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
D'Onofrio did a good job with the look and persona, but still really lacks that "this is a man who could potentially beat the shit out of Daredevil bare-handed" sort of vibe.


idk, they certainly portrayed him as being strong and vicious enough. I had no issues believing that he was a credible physical threat.
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12/27/18 1:59:18 AM
#195:


Zeus posted...
Still looking forward to seeing it and the upcoming Shazam.


Same. Ever since he was my main in Injustice I've come to really like the character. Hell I started liking him back in mk vs dc of all things, just not enough to actually delve into his comics
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ParanoidObsessive
12/27/18 11:49:07 AM
#196:


Zeus posted...
I was originally ok with the black leather costumes, but then First Class showed that the concept could have been handled much better.

Ehhhh.

I think First Class mostly works because it was set in the 60s and you could go at least some way to justifying it as those being the first uniforms they've ever owned, which were mostly just thrown together quickly based on existing materials and technology.

Similar to the trope that shows up a lot (and which was used in the Raimi Spider-Man films and the Netflix Daredevil show), wherein a hero's first costume usually looks like crap, because it's made of whatever material they can find and throw together on short notice, but then over time they invest more time and resources into being a hero, which leads to progressively more and more advanced costuming over time. Eventually reaching a point where you can generally say "Yeah, I can actually imagine someone wearing that sort of costume in the real world under similar circumstances", and not "That costume looks absolutely ridiculous and no sane human being would dress that way unless they were cosplaying."

Even Captain America played with that sort of idea - the first costume they put him in is deliberately something that evokes the comic book version, and which looks sort of ridiculous - but they treat it as looking kind of ridiculous, and then use it as the justification for eventually moving him into something that looks better on screen but which still evokes the original feel.

The MCU in general tends to skirt the edges of what is acceptable in terms of ridiculousness, but it almost always justifies it in some way. Tony Stark is a bombastic asshole, of COURSE his armor is going to look flashy. Thor is an alien, fashion is different there. Black Widow and Hawkeye are secret agents, so they mostly wear subdued outfits which are ostensibly made of ballistic fibers to improve movement and likely impede bullet impacts or energy discharges. Spider-Man is a stupid teenager with no budget (and his later suits are a combination of Tony being flashy combined with trying to mimic Peter's original design). Black Panther is futuristic technology combined with traditional tribal styling. And so on.

The X-Men films were originally set in a much more grounded universe, where heroes weren't a dime a dozen (you were pretty much an X-Man or a villain), and where there wasn't really a justification for flashier gear (and a number of reasons why you wouldn't want flashier gear). Especially since, unlike the MCU heroes, they were a deliberately covert team and not public heroes. So a more subdued black leather (with the assumption of ballistic fibers or unstable molecules or whatever reinforcing it beyond ordinary clothes) worked much better than yellow and black/blue spandex, or the weird Dave Cockrum designed costumes for people like Colossus or Nightcrawler, or Cyclops' weird blue onesie with yellow bondage straps like all the 90s kids remember from the cartoon.


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Metalsonic66
12/27/18 12:42:14 PM
#197:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
Which is pretty much the only way ANYONE really beats Spider-Man without insane powers or tech - 90% of the time, he's holding back the vast majority of his own power.

True. But he has given Spidey trouble before, even if Peter was holding back due to Fisk being a Badass Normal.

Zeus posted...
MCD was a terrible fit for Kingpin.

Nah. Other than not being white, he was a really good pick for the character. Much better than the other main characters, at least.
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Zeus
12/28/18 1:06:48 AM
#198:


ParanoidObsessive posted...
The X-Men films were originally set in a much more grounded universe, where heroes weren't a dime a dozen (you were pretty much an X-Man or a villain), and where there wasn't really a justification for flashier gear (and a number of reasons why you wouldn't want flashier gear). Especially since, unlike the MCU heroes, they were a deliberately covert team and not public heroes. So a more subdued black leather (with the assumption of ballistic fibers or unstable molecules or whatever reinforcing it beyond ordinary clothes) worked much better than yellow and black/blue spandex, or the weird Dave Cockrum designed costumes for people like Colossus or Nightcrawler, or Cyclops' weird blue onesie with yellow bondage straps like all the 90s kids remember from the cartoon.


It's not about being flashy, it's about being consistent. They come from a universe where sports teams have uniforms. It's the same concept. More importantly, they live in a universe where they're wanted vigilantes worried about being exposed... and yet fucking nobody wears a mask or other headgear to obscure the face. If I was going hero or villain, the first thing I'd do is get a mask.

Metalsonic66 posted...
Nah. Other than not being white, he was a really good pick for the character. Much better than the other main characters, at least.


Even if you took race off the table, he wouldn't be a good pick. He'd be less goofy than Garner, but it's setting a really low bar.
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ParanoidObsessive
12/28/18 2:25:11 PM
#199:


Zeus posted...
It's not about being flashy, it's about being consistent. They come from a universe where sports teams have uniforms. It's the same concept.

It really isn't. Because they're not a sports team. That's basically like saying that, because cheerleading teams exist in the real world, the US military should wear mini-skirts and pom-poms into combat, and no one should think that's a weird idea at all if you made a movie where that happened.

The X-Men are essentially a paramilitary black-ops team. If anything, they should be wearing full-on SWAT gear or other ballistic outfits, preferably with color schemes chosen for each mission to blend in (black or very dark blue for night, green camo for forest or jungle, white for snow, tan for desert, etc). For social dynamic purposes (ie, trying to talk your way into a crime scene past a suspicious security guard) they should probably look as "official" or "military" as possible, not like a PR crayon explosion (ie, the motivation behind Captain America's costume). There really is very little logic for wearing over-the-top comic-book style outfits in any universe that doesn't HAVE public costumed heroes, and in which you're trying to remain somewhat covert and undercover.

The only real exceptions you should have are where there's a logical reason for divergence. Like Havok having to wear a special suit to regulate his power, or Storm wanting to wear something lighter and with extra cloth so she can use it to fly, or Cyclops needing his visor. Because even more so than in the comics, we're emphasizing that these people are a TEAM, not a collection of individual heroes (which is what the X-Men sort of evolved into, during the periods where everyone had their own unique costume that didn't match anyone else).

An argument could be made that a hypothetical training team of younger mutants (New Mutants, if you will) should wear matching uniforms that might lean more towards school uniform look than tactical operator, but those students should never be leaving the school grounds to have "adventures" in the first place, and if they do they should change into more practical gear instead. That's something that actually happened in the comics - the New Mutants mostly wore the older yellow/black school uniforms, but when they snuck out out to do hero things they changed into their actual "hero" costumes (which they changed at least 3-4 times over the years, which is why most of them don't really have "iconic" looks like the X-Men tend to.

Though in the New Mutants' case, the other problem is that, other than their original "hero" outfits, every look they go for is almost painfully tied to the time period they got them in, which means they age VERY poorly almost immediately. Most of their 1980s outfits still look kind of nice today, but their 90's costumes and X-Force costumes kind of look absolutely terrible for all of them.


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ParanoidObsessive
12/28/18 2:33:44 PM
#200:


Zeus posted...
More importantly, they live in a universe where they're wanted vigilantes worried about being exposed... and yet fucking nobody wears a mask or other headgear to obscure the face. If I was going hero or villain, the first thing I'd do is get a mask.

I'd grant you that, but that's more a problem with Hollywood than anything that we're ever going to see fixed in our lifetimes. Hollywood can't even put Peter Parker in a mask or Iron Man in a helmet without coming up with ways to keep showing their faces. If you're going to hire a famous actor, you want to show their face.

Though - and I was actually thinking about this myself not too long ago in a different context - the X-Men almost NEVER hide their real identities in the comics. The original team did (most of them wore masks, Iceman always covered his face with ice, etc), but once you get to the "All-New, All-Different" era, pretty much the only person on the entire team who wears a mask is Wolverine (and later Shadowcat - though she almost never wears it anymore, and Wolverine doesn't wear his half the time either). Sure, Colossus turns into metal and Nightcrawler had a hologram generator that could make him look like a normal human (that he used for all of like four issues before he decided he was just going to be himself, because "mutant pride"), but almost all of them are constantly showing their faces. In public. Often on camera.

Nor does it really help that, in spite of the fact that they have codenames, they're just as likely to use someone's real name as they are their codename while in the middle of a pitched battle with enemies who can easily hear them. People call Shadowcat "Kitty" constantly, they'll call Nightcrawler "Kurt" (though arguably any hope of hiding his identity is pretty much shot regardless), people tend to call Iceman "Bobby" more than they do Iceman, etc. The New Mutants are actually worse about this than the X-Men are (they almost NEVER use their codenames), though to their credit at least some of New Mutants bother wearing masks as part of their costumes.

It gets worse when you're talking about people like Bishop (who has a blatant face tattoo) or Cable (with a glowing cybernetic eye), though to their credit they're also the characters least likely to ever appear anywhere in public EXCEPT when on missions. But all the other X-Men and New Mutants basically just hang out in town just down the road from their school without hiding their identities in any way.

In other words, even in the past when technology was limited it should have taken most villains about 20 minutes to find out where the X-Men lived (and that's without even getting into the fact that the X-Men are led by "Professor X", a bald man in a wheelchair, who looks suspiciously like Professor Xavier, the bald man in a wheelchair who runs that school for "special" students). In the era of cell phone cameras and Internet searches, pretty much everyone on Earth should know exactly who they are and where to find them.


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