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Zeus
01/11/19 1:42:21 AM
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Wiki-walking again >_>

I always kinda assumed that catpeople had mythology behind them, but haven't been able to find much.
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ParanoidObsessive
01/11/19 2:04:16 AM
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Zeus posted...
Wiki-walking again >_>

I always kinda assumed that catpeople had mythology behind them, but haven't been able to find much.

As in anime catgirls? That mostly stems from the idea of ykai, and is sort of an outgrowth of kitsune, just swapping out the fox for a cat.


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Entity13
01/11/19 4:28:37 PM
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Tales of Vesperia ; Definitive Edition is out now. I'm grabbing it on the PS4 to finally support the game like I intended years ago, now that an English version isn't locked to a system I will never buy.
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I_Abibde
01/11/19 7:01:27 PM
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Acquired Vesperia here, too. Tales is one of those series I keep supporting despite the occasional eye-rolling entry (e.g. the GBA version of Phantasia), but Vesperia is one of the highlights. Also getting back into Blaz Blue and Guilty Gear despite the layer of rust on my fighting game skills (i.e. the reason I signed up for Game FAQs in the first place).

My D&D group will be starting Season 2 of the campaign next week, and I am hoping that the products of two months of brainstorming are going to result in a plot that is a hit with my players. They have been asking me, more than once, when we are going to be starting again, and I take that as a good sign.

Also: On a lark, I hooked up my XBox (the original model), and KOTOR has been calling to me. Might be time to Sith out and have fun.
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Zeus
01/12/19 10:22:12 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Zeus posted...
Wiki-walking again >_>

I always kinda assumed that catpeople had mythology behind them, but haven't been able to find much.

As in anime catgirls? That mostly stems from the idea of ykai, and is sort of an outgrowth of kitsune, just swapping out the fox for a cat.



No, not as in the case of human girls with cat ears (who occasionally have cat-like eyes). I mean more cat-like than that. Something closer to the Elders Scrolls' Khajiit or D&D's Catfolk.
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Entity13
01/12/19 5:23:14 PM
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Zeus posted...
ParanoidObsessive posted...
Zeus posted...
Wiki-walking again >_>

I always kinda assumed that catpeople had mythology behind them, but haven't been able to find much.

As in anime catgirls? That mostly stems from the idea of ykai, and is sort of an outgrowth of kitsune, just swapping out the fox for a cat.



No, not as in the case of human girls with cat ears (who occasionally have cat-like eyes). I mean more cat-like than that. Something closer to the Elders Scrolls' Khajiit or D&D's Catfolk.


The dangerously furry catfolk? This is conjecture, but perhaps they, along with Lycans, are a relatively recent example of mankind's love for man-beast hybrids, going back to Egyptian and Greek mythologies, and possibly beyond that (and before written history).
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Zeus
01/12/19 11:08:11 PM
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Anthros are kind of a staple trope throughout history. A *lot* of mythological creatures are just humans with animal heads and sometimes matching fur. You see minotaurs (and variations thereof) often enough in fantasy despite there only really being one "historical" legend really associated with them and that was a one-off thing.

afaik, lycans aren't a new invention. There were supposedly civilizations of dog or wolf-headed people. Plus that ties into the whole werewolf lore. I can see the history for lycans and minotaur, just not for catfolk. And I was really just wondering if there was any basis for them. (And sure, you kinda have Bastet but I can't think of much else.)

In particular, I'm also wondering about some of the origins for the existing catfolk tropes where they're often given a gypsy-like background and/or an Arabic feel (ie, scimitars and the like)
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ParanoidObsessive
01/13/19 3:28:07 AM
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It definitely predates Skyrim - ie, there were catfolk cards in Magic: the Gathering back in the mid-90s, and Marvel had a race of cat-people back in the 70s.

I feel like that particular flavor ("Arabic" or "Gypsy" catpeople) goes back to sword and sorcery in general. The sort of Howard variety where it's supposed to take place in a distant past with exotic races and cultures, all of which look and sound suspiciously like modern cultures we're all familiar with today (ie, what early D&D tended to be based on, before it drifted more into epic fantasy). I can't pin down anything off the top of my head, but there were so many pulp fantasy writers back in the 30s and 40s (give or take a couple decades) that I feel like it had to have come out of there.

Conversely, there's the line of thinking Entity mentioned, wherein there was always at least some impetus to make at people cultures reflective of Egypt (for obvious reasons) or African flavored (also for obvious reasons), which could then have drifted into Arabic over time due to blatant similarities.





EDIT: Though that actually reminds me of a related concept - it seems like cat-people are often portrayed as "foreign" to Western culture in some way (or at least "exotic"), while dog or wolf-people, when they're a thing, tend to be much more "us". A lot of times wolf-people are going to be portrayed with more of a German, Norse, or even old Russian sort of flavor, and old-school D&D at one point basically had Arabic cat people and French dog people.

Even in White Wolf's Werewolf game, where they had both werewolf tribes and werecat species, the werecats were very much rooted in Africa and Egypt (which is also Africa, but you know what I mean, sue me), while most of the werewolf tribes were rooted in northern Europe in general, except for a couple token tribes from North America and one from Asia.

Maybe the whole thing ties into the fact that, as dogs were the first species humans ever domesticated, and in some ways the one we seem to have put the most of ourselves into ("man's best friend" and all), we always tend to see dogs (and by proxy, wolves) as being sort of similar to ourselves, but cats have always retained that sort of "alien" and "separate" feel that makes us more likely to paint them as a more exotic, foreign culture because we tend to subconscious see them more as "them" than "us".


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Entity13
01/13/19 5:09:41 AM
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I also sometimes see it as a sign that, deep down, even humans hate humans, or are relatively unattracted to their own race. Add even one or two animal features, or something alien, and suddenly the resulting being is better, but at the same time a target of vitriol because of the human parts. Because humanity. I'm not sure what I can point to for this, however.
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ParanoidObsessive
01/13/19 7:15:59 AM
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Entity13 posted...
deep down, even humans hate humans

I'd argue that's not very deep down!


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Entity13
01/13/19 4:58:42 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Entity13 posted...
deep down, even humans hate humans

I'd argue that's not very deep down!



I meant in a general sense. Individually speaking is a different case.

On an amusing, somewhat related note, I have found that the individuals in MMOs who hate humanity the most are healers.
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ParanoidObsessive
01/13/19 6:23:46 PM
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Entity13 posted...
I have found that the individuals in MMOs who hate humanity the most are healers.

And suddenly my reflexive choice of the healer class in any multiplayer RPG suddenly makes more sense!





I'm not even joking. I basically went into Elder Scrolls Online saying "Which class is the healer?", and on the rare occasions I've played a D&D-style tabletop game I almost always default to Cleric unless there's already a dedicated healer in the group. I have a jones for healing magic, even in single-player games.


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Korruptor
01/13/19 7:09:01 PM
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I have found that the individuals in MMOs who hate humanity the most are healers.


"You have been removed from the group because they were too dumb to get out of the fire"
ParanoidObsessive
01/13/19 7:27:10 PM
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Korruptor posted...
I have found that the individuals in MMOs who hate humanity the most are healers.

"You have been removed from the group because they were too dumb to get out of the fire"

So what you're saying is, it's not that misanthropes choose healers, as much as being the healer eventually drives even the most altruistic and loving of people into frothing madness and hatred.


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Entity13
01/14/19 12:16:05 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Korruptor posted...
I have found that the individuals in MMOs who hate humanity the most are healers.

"You have been removed from the group because they were too dumb to get out of the fire"

So what you're saying is, it's not that misanthropes choose healers, as much as being the healer eventually drives even the most altruistic and loving of people into frothing madness and hatred.



Some column A, some column B.

Earlier this evening someone in my guild in FFXIV asked why a Dark Knight would learn anything from a Conjuror (baby healer class), and I responded that if anyone can teach you about embracing the darkness it's a healer. Almost every other healer in the guild replied, "You're not wrong."
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shadowsword87
01/14/19 1:22:22 AM
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I enjoy playing a healer in a lot of games because it just means everyone wants my help.
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The Wave Master
01/14/19 6:07:26 AM
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"AEW" All Elite Wrestling

It's a new promotion headed up by "Gravel" Cody Rhodes, his wife Brandi, and financially backed by Shand Khan, of the Jacksonville Jaquars fame.

From the article *which I will link* and the YouTube videos the promotion wants to compete directly with The E. A big thing that will help attract talent is equal pay scale for men and women, and mid card and main event performers.

Getting a decent televauom contract is a first start, and the second is making side the booking stays fresh and consistent. I hope that this is a viable competition for the WWE, as competition is going to Male both brands better.

https://deadspin.com/cody-rhodes-the-khans-and-chris-jericho-made-their-ne-1831632935
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Korruptor
01/14/19 9:00:48 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Korruptor posted...
I have found that the individuals in MMOs who hate humanity the most are healers.

"You have been removed from the group because they were too dumb to get out of the fire"

So what you're saying is, it's not that misanthropes choose healers, as much as being the healer eventually drives even the most altruistic and loving of people into frothing madness and hatred.



Yeah, I used to play as healer until I got sick of dealing with people who blame their mistakes on others because they think they're hot ****.
Zeus
01/14/19 2:42:12 PM
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The Wave Master posted...
"AEW" All Elite Wrestling

It's a new promotion headed up by "Gravel" Cody Rhodes, his wife Brandi, and financially backed by Shand Khan, of the Jacksonville Jaquars fame.

From the article *which I will link* and the YouTube videos the promotion wants to compete directly with The E. A big thing that will help attract talent is equal pay scale for men and women, and mid card and main event performers.

Getting a decent televauom contract is a first start, and the second is making side the booking stays fresh and consistent. I hope that this is a viable competition for the WWE, as competition is going to Male both brands better.

https://deadspin.com/cody-rhodes-the-khans-and-chris-jericho-made-their-ne-1831632935


People were talking about it in other places. Didn't realize it was being run by Rhodes (and can he even use that name right now?). While Rhodes is a talent and legacy, I don't expect much from the promotion.
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WhiskeyDisk
01/14/19 3:06:17 PM
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Korruptor posted...
Yeah, I used to play as healer until I got sick of dealing with people who blame their mistakes on others because they think they're hot ****.


To be fair, even the best of healers I've dealt with in my MMO days tended to be the first to blame the DDs and tanks for not protecting them when they died despite begging for heals so that they could actually do so.

The same healers would also blame the Archer they let die for not being able to buff their move speed.

As a glass canon archer I learned very early on not to actually depend on healers for much of anything since upwards of 90% of them were insufferable pricks with massive chips on their shoulders.

No offense Korr.
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Entity13
01/14/19 3:35:42 PM
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WhiskeyDisk posted...
Korruptor posted...
Yeah, I used to play as healer until I got sick of dealing with people who blame their mistakes on others because they think they're hot ****.


To be fair, even the best of healers I've dealt with in my MMO days tended to be the first to blame the DDs and tanks for not protecting them when they died despite begging for heals so that they could actually do so.

The same healers would also blame the Archer they let die for not being able to buff their move speed.

As a glass canon archer I learned very early on not to actually depend on healers for much of anything since upwards of 90% of them were insufferable pricks with massive chips on their shoulders.

No offense Korr.


Oh believe me, when I play as a DPS I find some healers who tunnelvise on themselves or the tank, and we DPS end up dying to unavoidable damage. Then I find some healers who are actually good at what they do, and keep everyone alive who isn't a complete idiot that steps in bad stuff or wanders off to the other side of the world. I make it a point to stay within healing range, not stand in shit, and do the fight mechanics, and yet I still die when there's a bad healer.

When I play tank, I end up crossing my fingers and hoping for the best when I pull two or three groups of trash mobs, because some healers, despite their gear, barely do enough, if that. I do pop my defensive cooldowns and everything.

As a healer, however, I keep finding people who run off to the-gods-know-where, people who will treat that fire like a buff or their best friend, tanks who don't use cooldowns or will line-of-sight my heals while I'm casting, and co-healers who barely cast anything and blame me for not doing my job (lol no I don't think so buddy). People whose heads aren't crammed up their asses generally enjoy my heals because I keep them up while doing a substantial amount of damage myself, and all while managing my mana/MP (the lack of management or dps uptime is why I detest healing in WoW, btw).

As a crafter or a gatherer I don't really see any of these problems. Then again, I do see people selling stuff on the market board for cheaper than if they just vendor trashed it, or flooding the market with an item that doesn't sell terribly often and "Oh, shit, why has the price gone down from a million to 30k in one afternoon? Damn undercutters!"

People are dumb, no matter the role I take. I sometimes wish I could successfully multi-box in some games because I trust myself more than I do 78% (roughly) of players I encounter. The people who do earn my trust are sometimes amused by my sass, especially as I go to kick one of the idiots from the party.
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Zeus
01/14/19 11:58:58 PM
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Finally saw Venom, which wasn't terrible. The costume and some of the effects were cool, but the story was garbage since it had that whole "been there, done that" superhero origin movie feel. And Tom Hardy was a kinda crappy Eddie Brock, even if it was still an improvement over Topher Grace.

There was a lot of potential, but it was mostly squandered due to how forced the whole thing was. Also I'm a little confused, because I can't recall when the other symbiote died. I know that one died after bonding with Doris, but what happened to the other one? Also I was kinda annoyed that, despite having a total of four symbiotes, we only got to see two in action. I thought the yellow symbiote was a clear set-up for Scream.
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WhiskeyDisk
01/15/19 1:12:05 AM
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Entity13 posted...
WhiskeyDisk posted...
Korruptor posted...
Yeah, I used to play as healer until I got sick of dealing with people who blame their mistakes on others because they think they're hot ****.


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Oh believe me, when I play as a DPS I find some healers who tunnelvise on themselves or the tank, and we DPS end up dying to unavoidable damage. Then I find some healers who are actually good at what they do, and keep everyone alive who isn't a complete idiot that steps in bad stuff or wanders off to the other side of the world. I make it a point to stay within healing range, not stand in shit, and do the fight mechanics, and yet I still die when there's a bad healer.

When I play tank, I end up crossing my fingers and hoping for the best when I pull two or three groups of trash mobs, because some healers, despite their gear, barely do enough, if that. I do pop my defensive cooldowns and everything.

As a healer, however, I keep finding people who run off to the-gods-know-where, people who will treat that fire like a buff or their best friend, tanks who don't use cooldowns or will line-of-sight my heals while I'm casting, and co-healers who barely cast anything and blame me for not doing my job (lol no I don't think so buddy). People whose heads aren't crammed up their asses generally enjoy my heals because I keep them up while doing a substantial amount of damage myself, and all while managing my mana/MP (the lack of management or dps uptime is why I detest healing in WoW, btw).

As a crafter or a gatherer I don't really see any of these problems. Then again, I do see people selling stuff on the market board for cheaper than if they just vendor trashed it, or flooding the market with an item that doesn't sell terribly often and "Oh, shit, why has the price gone down from a million to 30k in one afternoon? Damn undercutters!"

People are dumb, no matter the role I take. I sometimes wish I could successfully multi-box in some games because I trust myself more than I do 78% (roughly) of players I encounter. The people who do earn my trust are sometimes amused by my sass, especially as I go to kick one of the idiots from the party.


Don't get me wrong @Entity13, I get why healers are so...tempermental. you know me well enough to know the closest I'd ever get to playing a support class is Bard and that's way too twitchy for me in real time. You never stuck around pandorasaga long enough to see me hit #1 sniper on the server, but Varik only had 3 or 4 healers that were worth a damn, one was a queen bitch, one was a lovable troll, and the other two were actually alts of players that were far more useful on their mains as not-healers.

Sad part was, in both pve and pvp there were monks, enchanters, and exorcists that were better healers than people that put their all Into actually being healers. hell, there were paladins that were better healers ...

Hence why I was the tankiest glass canon via gear with potion bonuses crafted into my pants I could possibly theory craft. By PS's demise my sniper was basically a 2h sword user with a bow that could go toe to toe in duels with most classes that didn't rely on mounts.

Wished you'd hung out long enough for us to find an exploit the jp server hadn't figured out with a 4 year head start...

Nothing like logging in after a maintenance trapped in the GM's test map until half the guild logged in to show the GM's how we actually one shot the best mage/tank pair from another faction thru grimy, but entirely legit means that nobody had thought to pull off in game across 3 other servers, lol.

It wouldn't be the first or last time a handful of us got "called into the principal's office" for theory crafting either...
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WhiskeyDisk
01/15/19 1:15:27 AM
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Pandorasaga was such a mismanaged clusterfuck of an MMO, but I'll always have a soft spot for it since it's probably the one thing in the world I can say I was literally #1 in my class worldwide in for over a year and a half.
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The Wave Master
01/15/19 9:31:36 AM
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Spider-man: Far From Home trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYYtuKyMtY8" data-time="

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Zeus
01/15/19 3:03:40 PM
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Was kinda curious about the villains, especially since it looked like I saw Mysterio in there at one point.

https://www.cbr.com/spider-man-far-from-home-trailer-villains/

The speculation about Mysterio's role in all this seems kinda predictable. Just happy to see Mysterio in a movie.
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ParanoidObsessive
01/15/19 3:51:26 PM
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Zeus posted...
Was kinda curious about the villains, especially since it looked like I saw Mysterio in there at one point.

https://www.cbr.com/spider-man-far-from-home-trailer-villains/

The speculation about Mysterio's role in all this seems kinda predictable. Just happy to see Mysterio in a movie.

Yeah, Mysterio pretty much makes it blatantly obvious that the stuff they're fighting is going to be an illusion.

I'm assuming the plot is going to be that Mysterio pretends to be a hero who fights off these giant monsters, and then we eventually learn that it was all a lie and Spider-Man has to try and fight Mysterio while dodging and ignoring the illusions.

It's the kind of story that will probably fool casual audiences, but for comic fans or people who know who Mysterio is, you kind of know what the story is going to be from the moment you hear he's involved.


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Entity13
01/15/19 4:04:45 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Zeus posted...
Was kinda curious about the villains, especially since it looked like I saw Mysterio in there at one point.

https://www.cbr.com/spider-man-far-from-home-trailer-villains/

The speculation about Mysterio's role in all this seems kinda predictable. Just happy to see Mysterio in a movie.

Yeah, Mysterio pretty much makes it blatantly obvious that the stuff they're fighting is going to be an illusion.

I'm assuming the plot is going to be that Mysterio pretends to be a hero who fights off these giant monsters, and then we eventually learn that it was all a lie and Spider-Man has to try and fight Mysterio while dodging and ignoring the illusions.

It's the kind of story that will probably fool casual audiences, but for comic fans or people who know who Mysterio is, you kind of know what the story is going to be from the moment you hear he's involved.



In a case like that it becomes a question of execution, if anything. It's often the same question when events or twists are spoiled, like an iconic antagonist being the main hero's father being a renowned spoiler and now overused trope, so then you find yourself asking if you are still pleased by how the story or ride gets there. Does it immerse you enough to where you aren't quite actively thinking about the obvious turn,and are you enjoying it?

Heck, that's my question with Tales games in general since they're trope heavy (yes to most), and it was my question with Dragon Quest XI for the same reason (less enjoyment for me here).
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WhiskeyDisk
01/15/19 4:18:23 PM
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I just wish they weren't playing so fast and loose with Peter's Spidey senses. In infinity War, the hairs on his arm are standing on end as soon as the alien ship drops out of orbit over Manhattan, but then in this trailer he's completely oblivious to the fact that Nick Fury is in his hotel room tranquilizing his buddy until it's too late, and that doesn't bode well for his seeing thru Mysterio's shenanigans.

Even in Homecoming and Civil War it seemed like his Spidey Senses flicked on and off at random depending on what the scene required.

Unless they nail down that it's a still-developing power or something it's going to seem sloppy.
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ParanoidObsessive
01/15/19 4:24:56 PM
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Entity13 posted...
In a case like that it becomes a question of execution, if anything. It's often the same question when events or twists are spoiled, like an iconic antagonist being the main hero's father being a renowned spoiler and now overused trope, so then you find yourself asking if you are still pleased by how the story or ride gets there. Does it immerse you enough to where you aren't quite actively thinking about the obvious turn,and are you enjoying it?

Oh, I agree. And Marvel's been good enough about the execution that I'm not worried about them handling it well in this.

If anything, being a comic nerd means the Marvel movies have always had a hard time surprising me. I knew Stane was going to be the bad guy in Iron Man the moment I knew his name. Same with Aldrich Killian. I knew Loki was going to be a shit. I knew Bucky was going to die (except not). I knew Ego was evil, I knew Crossbones was evil, I knew Mordo was going to turn... etc etc. But I've still enjoyed the movies in spite of that.

The only thing I can really think of where they legitimately surprised me was with the Mandarin.


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I_Abibde
01/15/19 6:41:26 PM
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Entity13 posted...
and it was my question with Dragon Quest XI for the same reason (less enjoyment for me here).


I forgive DQXI its reliance on standards and tropes because it does not pretend to be anything other than it what it is (i.e. the JRPG gold standard), though it still managed to surprise me at several junctures.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
I knew Mordo was going to turn...


... but, in spite of the audience knowing that in advance, they took Mordo and made him interesting, and I give the MCU bonus points for that.
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ParanoidObsessive
01/15/19 7:24:09 PM
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I_Abibde posted...
... but, in spite of the audience knowing that in advance, they took Mordo and made him interesting, and I give the MCU bonus points for that.

Granted. At least he wasn't all "Argle bargle, I'm a bad guy, grrr!", which is about all the motivation he had in the comics.

I wasn't super keen on how they turned him in the movie, though. It felt rushed, like they knew he had to be evil by the end of the movie and only remembered that they had to turn him about 20 minutes before the movie ended. It would have been infinitely preferable to just keep him good (but conflicted), and have the full turn happen in the sequel.

I had the same problem with Sinestro in the Green Lantern movie, though in that case it was hardly the only problem the film had.


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CyborgSage00x0
01/15/19 9:08:24 PM
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The Wave Master posted...
Spider-man: Far From Home trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYYtuKyMtY8" data-time="

The plot has been leaked online for a few weeks now, and this trailer seems to confirm most of that. Which isn't good...the leaked plot details sounds like a mess. That said, yeah, instantly obvious those are Illusions Mysterio is fighting. But I AM excited for Mysterio. I've always considered him one of the more interesting, and under-used Spidey villain.

WhiskeyDisk posted...
I just wish they weren't playing so fast and loose with Peter's Spidey senses. In infinity War, the hairs on his arm are standing on end as soon as the alien ship drops out of orbit over Manhattan, but then in this trailer he's completely oblivious to the fact that Nick Fury is in his hotel room tranquilizing his buddy until it's too late, and that doesn't bode well for his seeing thru Mysterio's shenanigans.

Even in Homecoming and Civil War it seemed like his Spidey Senses flicked on and off at random depending on what the scene required.

Unless they nail down that it's a still-developing power or something it's going to seem sloppy.

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed this. Either they forget how often Spider Sense should be going off, or they realized it's kinda an OP ability, and would ruin too many "cool" scene moments. Kinda annoying either way. I always liked how much they highlighted it in Raimi's Spider-Man movies.

Speaking of Tales, Vesperia is finally out on a wide release, so I plan on picking it up soon. It's the one Tales game that people say matches or bests Symphonia, so I'm a bit hyped.
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Zeus
01/15/19 10:09:16 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
I had the same problem with Sinestro in the Green Lantern movie, though in that case it was hardly the only problem the film had.


Kek. I did kinda wind up liking aspects of Parallax's design, though.

CyborgSage00x0 posted...
The plot has been leaked online for a few weeks now, and this trailer seems to confirm most of that. Which isn't good...the leaked plot details sounds like a mess. That said, yeah, instantly obvious those are Illusions Mysterio is fighting. But I AM excited for Mysterio. I've always considered him one of the more interesting, and under-used Spidey villain.


He made the N64 game awesome and added a lot to Spidey 2 as well.

WhiskeyDisk posted...
then in this trailer he's completely oblivious to the fact that Nick Fury is in his hotel room tranquilizing his buddy until it's too late, and that doesn't bode well for his seeing thru Mysterio's shenanigans.


Conversely, the sense may have recognized that Fury posed no danger?
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WhiskeyDisk
01/15/19 10:30:11 PM
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Zeus posted...
Conversely, the sense may have recognized that Fury posed no danger?


An interesting take on it, and in a vacuum I'd concede the point even if I tend to consider Fury himself as a chaotic neutral with good intentions, but totally willing to go to almost Punisher levels to get what he wants.

However, there are too many instances already in Tom Holland's run as Spidey where the Spidey sense works or doesn't work depending on what the scene demands and I've always interpreted the Spidey Sense as a bit of a causality breaker in keeping Parker half a second ahead of the script normally when it is on point and if we're being entirely literal, his entire nervous system would have to learn to adapt to having an almost Schrodinger's Cat level of permanent Activation Syndrome/PTSD to handle the level of sensory overload it would produce.

I would argue that out of his entire skillset, it's his most defining and unique skill as a character and it's jarring to see this version of Spidey so inconsistent about it's threshold.

I'm not saying that I dislike Holland's portrayal of a young Parker, but the writing needs to make a stand on how Spidey Sense functions without that Iron Spider version playing half of it off as an AI Deus ex machina when they've also shown instances of organic Spidey Sense at play.
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ParanoidObsessive
01/16/19 2:20:16 PM
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Zeus posted...
Kek. I did kinda wind up liking aspects of Parallax's design, though.

I wasn't opposed to it. I just think it's something you save for the sequels, and build up over time. If they'd have been more willing to do that, they might actually have GOTTEN sequels.

Honestly, I would have lifted a lot more from the Geoff Johns reboot continuity for the story. Have Abin Sur transporting Atrocitus in his ship, only to crash on Earth when Atrocitus gets loose and attacks him. Abin Sur dies and passes on the ring, Atrocitus escapes and is running around on Earth. Hal gets the ring and starts to figure stuff out, eventually fights Atrocitus and loses. Then Sinestro shows up, having trailed Abin Sur to Earth. He becomes the asshole mentor figure, explains some of the important details to Hal, and eventually they work together to defeat Atrocitus. Movie ends with Sinestro leaving with Atrocitus and Hal and Carol having their moment of reconnection.

Then you save most of the actual Green Lantern Corps stuff for the sequel, wherein Hal is finally recalled to space (by Sinestro, who has reported the transfer of the ring), and you develop the deeper mythos. Meanwhile, they wind up fighting a new threat (maybe the Manhunters, maybe the Weaponeers, maybe Krona, maybe something else). You have more buddy cop interaction between Sinestro and Hal, where each sort of dislikes but also learns to respect the other's methods, so we can actually work up to them having something like a friendship. Meanwhile, we have a quiet voice whispering in Hal's head every now and then for the entire movie (we have have Ryan Reynolds voice it so the audience just assumes it's his own self-doubt inner monologue), telling him he's not good enough, and that he's going to fail, and just generally trying to make him afraid. His arc in the film is that he overcomes this "great fear". Then they beat whatever the threat for the movie is, but it's a close victory, and Sinestro is rattled ("What happens next time when something stronger comes along?"). Cue a cut to Sinestro's point-of-view, where we hear a similar voice in his head whispering that he won't be able to protect Korugar, that he'll be forced to watch Hal Jordan die just like Abin Sur died, that the Green Lanterns aren't strong enough to do what actually needs to be done to protect the universe. Then end the movie on him forging the yellow ring, and hear the whispering voice laughing, because of course it's Parallax.

Then the third movie skips ahead a bit in time, and Sinestro has recruited the Sinestro Corps, so the whole movie is a huge fight between Green Lanterns and Sinestro Corps, and Hal isn't just trying to beat them physically, he's also trying to reason with Sinestro, trying to win him back to the good side, trying to convince him to reject fear in favor of will. So you wind up ending your epic trilogy with the fights that wowed the shit out of comic book readers because it had been building for years and wasn't hotshotted into the first couple issues of the book.

Also, never use Hector Hammond, because Hector Hammond is and has always been a shit character.

Then, if that works and you have a wild success, and Ryan Reynolds is willing to do more movies (or you're willing to recast him with John/Guy/Kyle/Simon/etc), you can start a new movie/trilogy with the build up to the prophecy and the War of Light, bringing in Larfleeze, Star Sapphire, the hope and compassion lanterns, and Atrocitus (who we can show escaping in the third movie, during the war between green and yellow) forging his red lantern. Possibly with a bad ass threat thanking Sinestro for "showing him the way" and mentioning that he'll return "ready to destroy both corps".

Blackest Night would probably be impossible to do on screen, especially without a functioning shared universe.


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mooreandrew58
01/16/19 3:10:47 PM
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WhiskeyDisk posted...
Zeus posted...
Conversely, the sense may have recognized that Fury posed no danger?


An interesting take on it, and in a vacuum I'd concede the point even if I tend to consider Fury himself as a chaotic neutral with good intentions, but totally willing to go to almost Punisher levels to get what he wants.

However, there are too many instances already in Tom Holland's run as Spidey where the Spidey sense works or doesn't work depending on what the scene demands and I've always interpreted the Spidey Sense as a bit of a causality breaker in keeping Parker half a second ahead of the script normally when it is on point and if we're being entirely literal, his entire nervous system would have to learn to adapt to having an almost Schrodinger's Cat level of permanent Activation Syndrome/PTSD to handle the level of sensory overload it would produce.

I would argue that out of his entire skillset, it's his most defining and unique skill as a character and it's jarring to see this version of Spidey so inconsistent about it's threshold.

I'm not saying that I dislike Holland's portrayal of a young Parker, but the writing needs to make a stand on how Spidey Sense functions without that Iron Spider version playing half of it off as an AI Deus ex machina when they've also shown instances of organic Spidey Sense at play.


I've seen it be inconsistent in comics as well. I don't read much marvel though but I have read a comic where Deadpool killed Peter Parker simply by knocking on his door and shooting him once he opened it.

Is it because Deadpool is hard to get a read on? Because him and Spiderman are sorta kinda friends?
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WhiskeyDisk
01/16/19 4:57:34 PM
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Deadpool gonna Deadpool is what I'd write that off to. I could theorize something something 4th wall breaks interfere with Spidey sense something something, but really him being such a wild card on the best of panels means he doesn't exactly adhere to in universe logic around anyone really.
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ParanoidObsessive
01/16/19 5:05:14 PM
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WhiskeyDisk posted...
Deadpool gonna Deadpool is what I'd write that off to. I could theorize something something 4th wall breaks interfere with Spidey sense something something, but really him being such a wild card on the best of panels means he doesn't exactly adhere to in universe logic around anyone really.

I'd also assume it was in a non-canon book, for obvious reasons. And those tend to play a lot faster and looser with the rules.

Hell, the What If? series is basically "How can we destroy the entire universe/kill pretty much everyone in 22 pages worth of story, based on changing a single detail?" Some of their stretches to pay off on the premise border on completely ridiculous.


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Entity13
01/16/19 5:19:45 PM
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So Blue Mage came out in FFXIV, and I managed to get it to cap on my main character (Aster) without really playing the job. That was a fine way to close out my current sub time. I was also going to make my alt character (The'aster Bunny) now and change her to Viera for free when the race comes out in 5.0, but the server I'm on is too congested at the moment and will b until after the sub runs out. Ah well, I'll have to do that when I get back into the game.

Now to get back to work on other projects, including more effort in finding a new job.
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Zeus
01/17/19 1:51:53 AM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Honestly, I would have lifted a lot more from the Geoff Johns reboot continuity for the story. Have Abin Sur transporting Atrocitus in his ship, only to crash on Earth when Atrocitus gets loose and attacks him. Abin Sur dies and passes on the ring, Atrocitus escapes and is running around on Earth. Hal gets the ring and starts to figure stuff out, eventually fights Atrocitus and loses. Then Sinestro shows up, having trailed Abin Sur to Earth. He becomes the asshole mentor figure, explains some of the important details to Hal, and eventually they work together to defeat Atrocitus. Movie ends with Sinestro leaving with Atrocitus and Hal and Carol having their moment of reconnection.


Certainly sounds like a better movie.
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The Wave Master
01/19/19 11:30:42 PM
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Just checking in and to mention that they added extra shows to Dragonball Super Broly during the week. The film has performed quite well in the limited showings so they added more.

I'mgoing to see if I can go on Tuesday night.
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ParanoidObsessive
01/20/19 7:16:18 PM
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Random comics/superhero-related philosophical thought:

Here's the scenario - Superman rescues Lois Lane, and she immediately knee-jerk falls into "love"/worship of him. Shortly thereafter she meets Clark Kent, and eventually falls in love with and enters into a relationship with Clark without knowing he's secretly Superman.

Eventually, something occurs that forces Clark to reveal his secret to Lois without him actually meaning to (ie, a crisis occurs, and he has to change into Superman in front of her to save the world).

So here's the question - how would you react to that if you were Lois (or yourself in a similar situation with your own significant other, if they were secretly a superhero)? Would you be pissed because they've essentially been lying to you the entire time, or would you feel absolutely flattered that the hero you effectively crushed on went out of their way to meet you in their secret identity and try to start a relationship? If you were pissed, would you see it as a major transgression but one you can work through as a couple, or would it be an absolute deal-breaker for you and you'd walk away?

Would your answer change if it was established without a doubt that they deliberately approached you in their secret identity after meeting you as a hero because they were struck by your own interest in them? Would it make it feel more romantic? Oddly creepy/stalkerish? Bordering on "rape by fraud", only in an odd sort of reverse?

If you consider that scenario to be forgivable, are there any variations where you WOULD be offended? Or if you're horribly repulsed by the idea, would there be any version of the situation where you would be willing to accept things?

Basically, it occurred to me to think about the moral/ethical implications in general of heroes saving civilians as heroes, only to actively approach them as "normal" people with the deliberate intention of establishing a relationship (which used to more or less be standard operating procedure for every third superhero back in the Golden and Silver Ages). In retrospect, it seems like something the duped civilian might flip their shit over once the secret is out. Or, conversely, it might be that the usual comic scenario - where the civilian is super-impressed and feel like they hit the jackpot - is the more accurate scenario.

What say you?


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Entity13
01/20/19 9:24:35 PM
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Let's assume she doesn't actually know.

If I were in Lois's place there would be anger all around. At Smallville (yes, I'm going a bit more with the TAS Lois than other iterations) for lying, at myself for not putting it together sooner, at the food server for not hurrying up with my order so I can try to make the situation less awkward, knowing full well that wouldn't work. If we're really at the point of having this conversation then we will have it, but it will be so damn complicated and hard to believe.

Or maybe that's why most iterations of her don't find out on her own is because the idea is both complicated and hard to digest that Lois has to NOT believe it in order to keep her sanity intact. She can find out most things and deal, no problem, but dorky-yet-muscular Clark being the iconic superhero who showed up at around the same time is somehow too much until someone beats her over the head with the revelation. It's so obvious, even, that the revelation would ruin her ego as a journalist as soon as it clicked.

So of course she'd be angry. She would be forced to face the one thing her subconscious was ignoring for so long, and that's enough to make people snap and say or do things that lead to further regret. If she's ready to have that talk then she will, but Lois might not be. Almost never. She has a career to think about first, a romantic life a distant second, and Clark/Superman complicates that too much to acknowledge.

Then she would "forget" again in a week or a month, and the revelation would have to come yet again.
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ParanoidObsessive
01/20/19 10:05:32 PM
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I will point out at this point that it's less about what you think Lois as a character would think of that situation and how she would specifically react, but more how you as a person would see that scenario if you were in the position of the hypothetical Lois.

Because as you say, Lois specifically has a couple issues that might alter the equation (the journalism thing), but I'm kind of more curious about the idea of how the average human would and should react to that sort of thing. And I don't know if the average person would be so utterly devastated by their own inability to solve that particular riddle in advance.

I'll also throw in the variant that, instead of Superman and Lois specifically, just think of a random masked hero and their love interest, where there's less reason for anyone to connect the dots (ie, ignoring the massive stupidity of the "Clark looks exactly like Superman, except Clark wears glasses so obviously they're not the same person" problem). So maybe a Hal Jordan/Carol Ferris scenario (even if the mask is kind of tiny and stupid). Basically just assume the hero's identity is safely hidden enough that the civilian wouldn't completely beat themselves up over not making the connection, so the real issue is less that, and more the "Wait, you've been lying to me for weeks/months now!" problem.







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Entity13
01/20/19 10:32:30 PM
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Well, the more average the person, the more likely they are to have one of two reactions to such a revelation. They will either fly into a rage because reality contradicts them, or they'll make up convenient excuses to supplement their lack of belief that they were in the wrong this whole time. A hypothetical Lois is smarter to a point, and thus more prone to accept a lie on top of a lie on top of a lie, with each fabrication acting as a patchwork to hide the revelation, because that truth is too inconvenient to the time or energy that the smart person is willing to give to it.

Me, on the other hand... I'm the twisted individual who wants to believe the world isn't so mundane as it is, but knows full well the case. I'd ask questions and try to pry evidence of the claim while my mind flies away into fantasy, because "What if it's true? What is I don't have to be boring?" Then I'll start making cracks at how untrustworthy the hypothetical Superman Kent is until I get JUST to that line of being too much. However, if I can't trust to know a secret identity because they hid it so well then how will I know where that line is? Then I'll be that bitch you don't want to deal with, ever, because I spent so much time since the reveal making you feel small. Finally, when that relationship inevitably ends, I'll tell him to use his damn words, and be honest with anyone else he falls for.

I'm not sure I'll even feel sorry.

This is why I hate liars, hypocrites, and people who refuse to tell me the obvious truth, no matter how apparent.
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Zeus
01/20/19 10:37:56 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
So here's the question - how would you react to that if you were Lois (or yourself in a similar situation with your own significant other, if they were secretly a superhero)? Would you be pissed because they've essentially been lying to you the entire time, or would you feel absolutely flattered that the hero you effectively crushed on went out of their way to meet you in their secret identity and try to start a relationship? If you were pissed, would you see it as a major transgression but one you can work through as a couple, or would it be an absolute deal-breaker for you and you'd walk away?


I'd probably have very mixed emotions then be very cool with it, which is more or less how Lois acted.
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The Wave Master
01/21/19 9:49:54 AM
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Damn, theamount of salt that has filled my social media feed after The Saints loss os amazing.

Harry Connick Jr. Had a mini stroke and wrote a letterto the NFL DEMANDING that the refs be fired, andthe game be replayed next Sunday at a neutral site.

There is also a petition to replay the game under a special exemption this Sunday as well. My wife is a huge Saints fan, and she just laughed at all these people.

It amises me.
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WhiskeyDisk
01/21/19 11:43:29 AM
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Saw Glass last night. It was actually decent. Say what you will about M. Night Shamwow and his obsession with twist endings, but I have to give him credit for the buildup on this one at least.
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I_Abibde
01/21/19 6:18:20 PM
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I am reminded of the "Donner Cut" version of Lois. She shot Clark point-blank to prove he was Superman.

WhiskeyDisk posted...
Saw Glass last night. It was actually decent.


I agree. Watched it Saturday morning. Definitely made me sit and think.
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