Board 8 > Final Fantasy: Brave Exvius Topic 52 - Ready 2B Disappointed? A2-time banner.

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The main thing is that I dont really NEED any of these units. But I have to pick one by the end of January or the tickets go to waste.
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At the moment, I'm leaning towards a second Reberta. I don't really need her, but I have a second 100% Crimson Blood Moogle sitting in my stash, and Horith can't seem to praise her enough.

I'm trying to be content with what I have and work around a dozen units at most instead of constantly chasing the carrot.

Way I see it, these are the positions that need filled. I can't rightly think of anything else that really is necessary beyond these slots.

Physical Tank w/ Provoke
Magic Tank w/ Provoke
Healer
Buffer / Support / Sustain
Debuffer / Breaker
Physical DPS 1 w/ Chaining
Physical DPS 2 w/ Chaining
Magical DPS 1 w/ Chaining
Magical DPS 2 w/ Chianing
DPS Chain Finisher
Extra Option 1
Extra Option 2

At the moment, I have...
Basch (Tank 1)
Ayaka (Healer)
Zargabaath (Buffer)
Ace (Support, Debuffer)
A2 (Extra Option 1)
2B (Extra Option 2, Breaker)
Orlandeau (Phys DPS 1)
Hyoh (Phys DPS 2)
Fryevia (Hybrid DPS)
Grim Lord Sakura (Mag DPS 1)
Trance Terra (Mag DPS 2)

I have a few other 7*s, but these are my main focus. I'm thinking of adding Maritime Strategist Nichol to the group and then I have flexibility between him and Zargabaath. I've never had a Chain Finisher, and not sure if I've needed one, but it sounds like Reberta might fit this role if I took a second one, but also have 2 Olives, 3 Knight Delitas, and 4 Balthiers who I know constitute Finishers as well. I need a second tank, and I have an Awakened Rain, so if I don't get two Sieghards from this banner, I'm probably going to go for A.Rain and Basch as my two tanks. I also want Loren since I think he might be a bit more consistent with Breaks than relying on 2B.
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So, over 160 tickets now on the banner, and a full 5 steps, and not one Rainbow. Probably the longest summoning drought I've had for Rainbows in some time.

I'm thinking Basch will become my physical tank, and I'll use my UoC on Awakened Rain. When I get 3 more UoC stubs I can pull Loren and be content with those and the line up above (plus MS Nichol when he gets his 7*).

As for the GLEX UoC, it's basically between Reberta and Malphaise if I want 7* versions of either of them (which I'm not even sure I do), or get a unit I don't have that provides a nice TMR.
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7* Malphasie is quite good. If you're looking for TMRs, I'll mention Kryla again. A materia with 25% resistance for every element is going to be important in upcoming trials when playing "elemental resistance Tetris" as I've seen it referred to, becomes a priority.

On an unrelated note, luv 2 run a staff through item world and never see a MAG boost higher than 3%. Waste of orbs.
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If you have a 7 star olive and can gear her well then she'll be a much better finisher especially if your chainers use either lightning or fire weapons since she has that -100% imperil to both as well as massive damage at the expense of her life.

As for tank I mean you can try to see what the 7 star of WKN will bring and try for one and then UOC the other or you can use regular UOC on A.Rain like you said or make basch your magic tank and UOC either a Wilhelm or a Sieghard.
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Not that far off Kunshira's STMR which gives 15% resist to a bunch of elements.

But I have a feeling I'll just GLEX UoC whichever of the 5 stars I get from a hypothetical upcoming Xmas banner.
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I hate not knowing what GLEX UOC unit i want to get. My team is in a pretty damn good spot right now. I dont really need any of the units. I may just get an Ang so I can pull for 1 on his banner for 7 star....? I dont know. His TMR is pretty damn nice.
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Finally went and did the Bloody Moon trial. Turns out 7* enhanced Trance Terra kinda tears him to shreds at this point. Who knew.
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Now breeze through the torture trio.
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Lemme tell ya, after all the hell Bloody Moon gave me when it first came out, getting through the Trio by absolutely shredding everything was satisfying as hell.
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As far as I know you can only raise the max level of an artifact by fusing the same one into it. Its not a long term issue that Ive seen though, at +15 stuff is pretty damn good and doesnt really need the extras unless youre trying to get every single point out of things.

Karin will look even better after maintenance is done! 4* bases are getting a 3%ish stay boost, and 5*s are getting 6% or so.
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I kind of figured. It was mostly just for one artifact I have that made me ask, most everything else I was just going to ignore. Hell, the one 5* Artifact I do have a dupe of I wasn't even going to use most likely, so it's not like it was going to change how I approached my box.
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Lucavi000 posted...

If you have a 7 star olive and can gear her well then she'll be a much better finisher especially if your chainers use either lightning or fire weapons since she has that -100% imperil to both as well as massive damage at the expense of her life.

As for tank I mean you can try to see what the 7 star of WKN will bring and try for one and then UOC the other or you can use regular UOC on A.Rain like you said or make basch your magic tank and UOC either a Wilhelm or a Sieghard.

My Physical DPS gear choices are definitely lagging behind my Magical Gear choices. I can gear both Grim Lord Sakura and Trance Terra to 1850 and 1610 Magic respectively. Hyoh still doesn't break 2k Attack, and Orlandeau barely breaks 1600 himself. Trying to equip a third Physical DPS will just be scraps that may not be worth investing in another 7* for at the moment, especially considering I still haven't awoken her, and I'm constantly under 3mil Gil due to other 7*s and awakening their abilities.

I tapped myself out going for Sieghard. I have a couple hundred Lapis and no tickets. I don't have a single copy of WKN, so I'd have to be extremely lucky and chance into one on a daily draw. I do have a single copy of Awakened Rain though, and 17 UoC stubs, so I think he's the better option, and then after I get my next 3 stubs, I'll get my second Loren.
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Ah yeah, if you already have a copy of A.rain and can 7 star him then maybe it would be a better use of the UOC.
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I actually got a rainbow off a 5+1 ticket, my second Flame Veritas. Cool I guess? Not really gonna use him.
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I got my 3rd Jiraiya

woo
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@RaidenGarai Goddamn that ending for the side story...just...godammit.
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Horith posted...

Goddamn that ending for the side story...just...godammit.

The writing for this game is top notch. Right in the feels
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How is 7* Grim Lord Sakura? Who does she chain with?

The Memelord review kind of breezed over the specifics.
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She chains with herself.

Now for good mobile game storylines, the ongoing Babylonia chapter is raising some standards.
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RaidenGarai posted...

Horith posted...

Goddamn that ending for the side story...just...godammit.

The writing for this game is top notch. Right in the feels

Yeah, I really wish there was a lot more of it. Hell, Iseria's chapter alone should've been way longer than it was. Ah well, can't expect a whole lot of story from a gacha game. At least there's no Lassworm character here.

Although I have to wonder, Vildred didn't change at all over the course of 20 years. Or anyone else for that matter. I know that new images for all the characters wouldn't have made much sense, but that's kind of jarring. Maybe they're planning on saying everyone ages way slowly so the lolis are solidly legal or something, I dunno. Kinda the whole Sakura thing. "She looks 12, but she's really 1,000 years old! It's not creepy!"

Speaking of Sakura, I'm somehow not tempted to just blow my UoC on her, even though I pulled like crazy over Halloween for her. Maybe it's because absolutely nobody is sharing her as a friend unit. This game really, really needs to fix its friend system badly. Hell, Puzzle and Dragons recently did an update where you can bring your own unit as a friend, because there's so many out there that it's impossible to find one to fit your team unless you're running the most meta of meta units.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

How is 7* Grim Lord Sakura? Who does she chain with?

The Memelord review kind of breezed over the specifics.

in the grand scheme she poop
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Horith posted...

Speaking of Sakura, I'm somehow not tempted to just blow my UoC on her, even though I pulled like crazy over Halloween for her. Maybe it's because absolutely nobody is sharing her as a friend unit. This game really, really needs to fix its friend system badly. Hell, Puzzle and Dragons recently did an update where you can bring your own unit as a friend, because there's so many out there that it's impossible to find one to fit your team unless you're running the most meta of meta units.

With E7, you can pick a friend unit for every class, so there are a ton of options. That's another thing I wish FFBE would do. If the lead support unit doesn't have what you want, just scroll through the other options and you should be able to find something. Still not as good as bringing your own unit as a friend though! That would be ideal.
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RaidenGarai posted...

Horith posted...

Speaking of Sakura, I'm somehow not tempted to just blow my UoC on her, even though I pulled like crazy over Halloween for her. Maybe it's because absolutely nobody is sharing her as a friend unit. This game really, really needs to fix its friend system badly. Hell, Puzzle and Dragons recently did an update where you can bring your own unit as a friend, because there's so many out there that it's impossible to find one to fit your team unless you're running the most meta of meta units.

With E7, you can pick a friend unit for every class, so there are a ton of options. That's another thing I wish FFBE would do. If the lead support unit doesn't have what you want, just scroll through the other options and you should be able to find something. Still not as good as bringing your own unit as a friend though! That would be ideal.

They were supposed to do something recently like that in JP, iirc.
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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

How is 7* Grim Lord Sakura? Who does she chain with?

The Memelord review kind of breezed over the specifics.

She chains with Trance Terra and the Chaos stuff. She's actually quite strong, competitive with Trance Terra in terms of DPS output with Trance Terra being more front loaded with Quad Cast every other turn, while GLS is more sustained with Triple Cast every turn. She has the added benefit of being a bit supportive too by offering damage reduction, Reraise, and MP regeneration. She imperils Dark and Fire, so she works well with Trance Terra. She's also a beast in Arena.

She's a strong unit, but not over the top that people drool over.

My 7* Grim Lord Sakura is my rep, and she has...
9k+ HP, 1k+ MP
1800+ Magic, 800+ Spirit

I wouldn't call her poop at all.
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Well Raiden, I finished the story for Adventure, and that was...an interesting ending. I get that they have to leave setup bait for the next chapter, but not even a hint as to what happened to Ras? And that final boss was a right pain in the ass. The only reason I won was because I brought a Destina friend, and her and Achates were just barely able to keep themselves and Karin alive long enough to win, and that was with Destina being stunned like 70% of the time. Didn't get to use Kiris as all once the mobs died, but eh, Karin is enough of a beast that it didn't matter.

I also did my first Moonlight Summon and got Assassin Cartuja. Based on what I'm reading on what I could pull from ML, I got a real winner here, so I'm quite pleased. Now to go off and clean up all the side missions for Orbis and whatnot, and then go back to farming the Side Story I guess.
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You got a really good one. I've had 4 ML summons so far, and they've all been absolute garbage.

The next chapter is actually restarting on world difficulty. You an get more Orbis and stuff, and more skystones that way too. I got stuck at the end of world 7 last week and haven't tried again. It's more epiloguey than an actual new story arc, but given the size of the world when you zoom out on the map, they have a ton of stuff planned :)

You can get Lorina for free from the friendship missions on the left side of the lobby, and she's outstanding. I'm working on her class change right now (massive grind, going to be like 3-4 weeks), but even without that she's become my normal 4th in place of Kiris. If you need some higher damage output she's a really solid choice.
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I'm actually badly hurting for support units. Damage I have covered: Clarissa, Karin, Kiris, and Ravi all get the job done nicely. Karin probably wouldn't be quite as much if I didn't have that Thief Artifact that gives bonus turns 15% of the time, but that just makes her absolutely insane. Tanks I've got Ravi, Bask, and will be getting Kluri in the works soonish. But while Achates is a good healer, she's not Destina tier or anything, and I don't have really any good buffers save A. Cartuja. I've got Elson like everyone else, but with his nerf I know he doesn't cut it quite as well as he used to, and none of my other pulls really seem to have been all that good in that department. So I'm still relying heavily on debuffs instead, and I know Achates slow healing is going to cause me to lag badly in the future.

I'll still work on Lorina soon, since I nabbed her a couple days ago, but since I've been so stacked for damage units, I haven't really bothered with her. And it's getting hard to tell when I should aim for a 6* versus just building up a ton of 5* units.
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The thing with Lorina is that even if you don't plan on using her right away, the promotion requirements once she hits level 50 are insane. The catalysts aren't that bad, but once you start the process, you need to kill 10,000 monsters and do 50 urgent missions. Nothing you've done prior to that counts, so it's a really, really long process.

I only have 1 buff in my party (Aramintha's S2 has an attack buff), and everything else I do is just debuffs, so a dedicated buffer isn't super important if you have other things to cover the bases. I'm pretty heavy on the debuffs though, since Ceci has atk/def in addition to provoke, and Aramintha has burn and unhealable, plus an artifact that gives each attack a chance to debuff (works great with her two AoE moves!)

As far as the roster goes, I chose to build up a full team to 50, with an extra 2 units for elemental swapping if needed. Once that was done I started working on 6 stars. If everything goes well I should hopefully get my second tomorrow or Monday!
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Effort-wise that sound silly high unless that unit lasts a very long time in comparison with other units from a cost vs gain perspective.
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Alright, that gives me a good direction to go. Ill try to build up Lorina along with A. Cartuja, find a good wood unit in my box (probably Kluri? I dunno, my choices for Wood suck) and then start saving for 6*, probably Karin or Clarissa since theyre both doing incredible work already.

And Fiyun, based on what were seeing from Korea, yes a lot of 3* base units are still good, and Lorrina in particular stays good. They dont seem to introduce as many units as FFBE does, so a unit thats good now will generally stay good for longer.
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Fiyun posted...

Effort-wise that sound silly high unless that unit lasts a very long time in comparison with other units from a cost vs gain perspective.

She's really, really strong after boosting her. I've seen dozens of people in the arena that have her vanilla form as their only 6*, since she's really solid as it is. Her upgrade makes her into a solo dps machine, and it's for a free unit too. She's likely going to be my third 6* unit, ahead of another 5* that I run in my base party. Most games (ie FFBE) make the free units garbage, but Epic Seven just gives her away, along with a really good tank from the current event that's running. The devs there know how to run a game. They give you 30 free rerolls just from clearing the first chapter, so you can make sure you have a starting unit that you really want to begin with. What does Gumi do? Ashe and Lightning. A decent 4* and one of the worst 5*s possible.

For instance, there was maintenance outside of the regular time period for 4 hours while they fixed some stuff from the first raid they released. They gave 10 hours of energy as compensation, along with one of every reward you could get from the raid, and then some other goodies. Gumi would give 10 nrg pots and if we're lucky, 100 lapis. The more I play Epic Seven, the worse FFBE is by comparison.

There are so many things that I could list between the two, but I'm guessing people are already annoyed with me for shitting on FFBE and talking about another game here.
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I already fell off E7 tbqh

Not seeing what youre seeing in it at all
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Yeah, I log in to E7 once in a while, but I haven't gotten invested into it yet. It still crashes on me once in a while too. Something in my folders that it doesn't like, I keep getting an error and then what looks like a file of some type but it's just a string of random letters and numbers. I've tried clearing my cache, but it still happens. It's enough to make me lose a lot of interest.
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I have yet to crash so Im not sure whats up with that.

When I first started it I didnt really like it either, but it grew on me. Now I do the bare minimum (if even that) on FFBE. Hoping I can sell or give away my account once the google login hits!
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They're very different games, and Epic Seven is scratching an RPG itch for me that I've been needing. Epic Seven feels more like a standard JRPG than FFBE did, so that may be a bit off putting because, well, we've seen this kind of game before. It's nothing new. And even if 3* units are still solid, getting a good 4* or 5*, as well as a decent Artifact, can go a long way, so luck still may play something of a factor in how much someone can enjoy the game.

What I'm enjoying right now is the unit building. I used to enjoy that in FFBE, having to pick and choose what units I wanted to build up with my cactuars and pots, playing with team comps, etc. Now we're so saturated with units that it's just gotten stale. Cactuar fusing, lots more pots, TMRs, all of it for a unit that for the most part is only incrementally better than what I already have. Yes putting together good teams for a specific boss can and has been fun, but once you hit that sweet spot of the right team, most fights become a test of your ability to chain, and nothing else. And that, actually, has been my biggest issue. Chaining with anything other than DR and maybe Octaslash frames just sucks, and kills tons of units from being viable. What good is AR chaining if you can't hit it even half of the time? None, that's what, especially on bosses where you have to kill past a certain threshold. Mess up your chain, your dead. So back to the old boring DR frames if you want any sense of consistency.

Epic Seven removes the chaining, and a lot of the extraneous abilities that just clog the list, and it gives a bit more of a compact feel that's refreshing. Same thing with the unit library, right now it's fresh, so the pool is small, and getting something usually means you can use it and it's not just fodder. FFBE has just become so bloated with units that pulling isn't fun anymore. We're getting all this free stuff, and I just...don't care. What good is a few guaranteed 5* units when I'm not going to get anything out of them?

Mostly it's just because Epic Seven is fresh, new, and yet similar enough that it feeds that gacha fix I need. I dunno how long I'll stick with it, but it's still fun. FFBE has, at least I think, started to feel like it's run its course. Everything they're adding is only incrementally better than the last batch of units. Bosses are having to resort to dispelling buffs and covers, which are usually the only way units could survive the insane damage they threw in the first place. With the elemental requirements coming up, you pretty much have to have the right TMRs to survive a fight. And we all abhor bosses with pre-emptive mana drain. The challenge has always been to survive the mechanics of the fight, but lately things have gone in the direction of removing what allows you to survive in the first place, and that doesn't have the same feel as building up the right pattern, timing thresholds, etc. And one-shotting past a threshold is satisfying the first few times, but when every fight requires it? Then it's just a test to see if you have the most powerful units, not your teambuilding.

I loved FFBE, I thought it was one of the most fun gacha games I've played. But the game just isn't fresh anymore, and it shows.
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Cloud and Sephiroth aside, what are the big time units that still need to have their 7 star forms released?
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voltch posted...

Cloud and Sephiroth aside, what are the big time units that still need to have their 7 star forms released?

CG Nichol.
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voltch posted...

Cloud and Sephiroth aside, what are the big time units that still need to have their 7 star forms released?

Reagen, Nichol, Lid and Medina. Jake if you want a nuker before Ignatius and Cid.
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Oh cool, I actually do have 2 copies of CG Nichol.

That should be enough for a bit.
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I didnt realize cloud and seph were big time 7 stars.

I only care about cloud cause I have 4 of them for that STMR for Hyoh.
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I still don't understand why Cloud's 180 Attack STMR weapon is 'vastly' superior to Hyoh's 180 Attack STMR weapon. Is a larger variance really that big a deal? Isn't is just the same as comparing consistency and inconsistency?
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Isn't it one is 2H and the other is 1H?
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Wouldn't that make Hyoh's better then since it's 1H? I don't know if Clouds is 2H or not, but I know Hyoh's is 1H which means it gets more versatility and can use DH materia as well.
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BakusaiTenketsu posted...

I still don't understand why Cloud's 180 Attack STMR weapon is 'vastly' superior to Hyoh's 180 Attack STMR weapon. Is a larger variance really that big a deal? Isn't is just the same as comparing consistency and inconsistency?

That variance matters once you factor in TDH and elemental imbue.

A normal weapon have 0.15 variable that is minus or positive. These types of weapons goes higher than that. (Weapon types can have higher variance outside 2-handed.)

Cloud:
(Two-Handed) +180 ATK (+50% Accuracy, Variance: 1x~1.6x)

Hyoh:

ATK+180 (Variance: 0.85x~1.15x)
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youd want to eventually get a 2h weapon for TDH. That is essentially what 2h weapons were made for. That variance just gives you even more damage on top of it. That is a big factor on why fixed dice builds are so powerful cause it has a huge variance range even though the weapon only has 1 attack on it.
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So theoretically, Fixed Dice could do 1 damage, it's just the randomness usually had it higher? I guess I just don't understand the variance aspect. It's just a random value between two sets of numbers, right? So the tighter the variance, the more likely you'll hit consistent values, whereas a wider variance gives for a far greater degree of random values. It's more like playing the lottery and hoping for big numbers in that regard?
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BakusaiTenketsu posted...

So theoretically, Fixed Dice could do 1 damage, it's just the randomness usually had it higher? I guess I just don't understand the variance aspect. It's just a random value between two sets of numbers, right? So the tighter the variance, the more likely you'll hit consistent values, whereas a wider variance gives for a far greater degree of random values. It's more like playing the lottery and hoping for big numbers in that regard?

You can look up this for some more answers.

https://exvius.gamepedia.com/Mechanics#Weapon_Variance
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BakusaiTenketsu posted...

So theoretically, Fixed Dice could do 1 damage, it's just the randomness usually had it higher? I guess I just don't understand the variance aspect. It's just a random value between two sets of numbers, right? So the tighter the variance, the more likely you'll hit consistent values, whereas a wider variance gives for a far greater degree of random values. It's more like playing the lottery and hoping for big numbers in that regard?

Think of it as you ignore the weapon and you bamf up your shotgun to spitting out elephant-killing slugs. Maybe cyborg-elephants if it's high end variance.

Variance bumps up the damage output significantly when it gets rolling with 7*.

Yuffie showed why with the dice so the damage formula got nerfed in JP.
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If you want an example using units we have.

a TDH FD 7 star 2B does more damage than a DW 7 star 2B even when you factor in the fact that the dual wield gets 2 attacks and has much more attack in general.
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