Board 8 > NHL Discussion Topic 2

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Wasn't Hitchcock fired by the Blues so Yeo could take over?
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Hitchcock had a year to "step down" I think, but yes. And it turned out so well.
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lets go devils

It's crazy how the Red Wings can't stop winning games now.
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Hockey
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Fuck yea.
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Sabres are suddenly doing well
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Blackhawks continuing the trend of getting destroyed in the first period because they're clearly not ready to play.

Bring on that number 1 pick!
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woo go my leafs
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Gritty is not going to be happy with you guys. Hope you're ready for the consequences!
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Well he is the only relevant part of the team.
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Trade!

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/coyotes-acquire-nick-schmaltz-trade-dylan-strome-blackhawks/

...At least I won't have to yell at Schmaltz to shoot anymore. I also imagine the Blackhawks are going to try to pair Strome with DeBrincat
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Boy am I glad Arizona drafted Strome over Marner.
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The Leafs beat the Flyers so bad they fired Hextall.

Kind of surprised to see him go.
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Marner is the best playmaker in the league and I refuse to hear a differing opinion.
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Fuck the Bruins!
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Ah, once again the Blackhawks have a horrendous third period. Horrendous defense too.

Winnipeg and Nashville up next too. They look completely toast.
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Oh hey this is up again.
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Matthews is back tonight after missing 14 games.
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Leafs powerplay scores on their very first zone possession with Matthews back. Seems good.
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A modest two goals and an assist for Matthews in his return.
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That's all? Pfft, what a disappointing night for him
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They should just give Nylander his money imo
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If the leafs dont win the cup this year it's going to be a long 4 more decades boys
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For sure. I can't believe they have to dismantle the entire team at the end of the year.
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davidponte posted...

For sure. I can't believe they have to dismantle the entire team at the end of the year.

Let's be honest it's the leafs. What can go wrong will go wrong.
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davidponte posted...

For sure. I can't believe they have to dismantle the entire team at the end of the year.

Wait, what? Is this sarcasm or is there something legit wrong?
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Toronto is staring down a Capocalypse this off season. Bunch of RFAs that need new paper.
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Shadow Dino posted...

Toronto is staring down a Capocalypse this off season. Bunch of RFAs that need new paper.

Who do they have locked down? Matthews, Tavaris, who else?
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I gave a sarcastic response to a post that made no sense!

They'll be fine. They need to pay Matthews and Marner big money this offseason, but they'll get it done. All of their other RFAs will be significantly lower cap hits and they'll also have Gardiner's contract coming off the books.

It's going to be tough, but then after next year they'll also have Marleau's contract be done as well, which will free up another 6 million.
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davidponte posted...

They'll be fine. They need to pay Matthews and Marner big money this offseason, but they'll get it done. All of their other RFAs will be significantly lower cap hits and they'll also have Gardiner's contract coming off the books.

I also have a feeling Dubas will trade Nylander in the off-season.
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Centurion posted...

davidponte posted...

They'll be fine. They need to pay Matthews and Marner big money this offseason, but they'll get it done. All of their other RFAs will be significantly lower cap hits and they'll also have Gardiner's contract coming off the books.

I also have a feeling Dubas will trade Nylander in the off-season.

Nylander is probably gone yes.

I was judt being pessimistic as I'm sure David knew. I've had faith in the leafs young team for years. A few years ago I told my cousin living in Toronto the leafs would end the drought within 5 years time. This is year 3 and it's their best shot by far.

Feels like the leafs are to the cup what England is to the fifa world cup. Yeah they won... so long ago all those who lived during it are long dead... or so it feels. I'd like to see jt at least once in my lifetime
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Wreath posted...

I was just being pessimistic as I'm sure David knew

That's why I responded with the usual sarcasm rather than taking what you said seriously!

I'm almost certain that the Leafs don't win the cup this year, but there's no reason to believe that they won't be a better team next year solely based on the continued growth of the players they have now.

The sooner Nylander is out, the better, in my opinion. Before the season started, I was in the "give Nylander what he wants" camp, mostly because I figured he was an integral part of the team, but looking now at how the team has performed without him, I don't see what he can really add more when if anything the team's only weakness is defense.

Ideally they trade him for a defenceman. That's probably the best case scenario that provides the biggest benefit to the team and probably saves some cap space overall. Obviously I'd rather he sign than sit out the whole season, but he hasn't even been that good in the playoffs anyway and that's where the Leafs would need the most help.

The only side that really loses by him sitting out the year is his at this point.
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Leafs need a defenceman for Nylander I agree. I'm still not thrilled with the goaltending but everyone has looked great to abysmal this year.
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Really hope that some team throws something like a 15-16 mil a year offer sheet at Matthews like they should. Same with Marner as well but more in the 10 mil range so they don't have to give up the 4 first round picks. Really just hope offer sheets become something actually common in the NHL in general since the whole RFA thing with players is such bullshit.
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hockeydude15 posted...

Really hope that some team throws something like a 15-16 mil a year offer sheet at Matthews like they should. Same with Marner as well but more in the 10 mil range so they don't have to give up the 4 first round picks. Really just hope offer sheets become something actually common in the NHL in general since the whole RFA thing with players is such bullshit.

You seem irrationally upset
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Not upset at all just stating something that is kinda obvious. The fact that teams don't offer sheet really good players that teams like the leafs refuse to sign until their entry level deal is up is just mind blowingly dumb. Like Matthews is a top 5 player in the league now, if you are a middling to bad team why shouldn't you throw 15 mil at him a year, he is well worth 4 1st round picks. The fact that we don't seem teams even attempt it is just laughable.
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lets go devils

hockeydude15 posted...

Not upset at all just stating something that is kinda obvious. The fact that teams don't offer sheet really good players that teams like the leafs refuse to sign until their entry level deal is up is just mind blowingly dumb. Like Matthews is a top 5 player in the league now, if you are a middling to bad team why shouldn't you throw 15 mil at him a year, he is well worth 4 1st round picks. The fact that we don't seem teams even attempt it is just laughable.

I think there's a variety of reasons why it doesn't happen. The one that I hear most often is that it's kind of a respect thing, where if GMs start offer sheeting players, they put themselves in a position to be cut-off as trade partners from other teams.

Then, five years later, that GM is fired and looking for a new job only to realize they've burned all their bridges by being the asshole who offer sheeted everyone's players and put a bunch of teams in a bad position.
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The fact that NBA players and even nfl players have absolutely massive contracts vs the nhl still pisses me off. Sure football may be harder on the body depending in the role injuries in the NBA are rare and 99% of the time its avoidable yet some get a max 110+ million for like 3 years. Some deserve it sure like Lebron.

A backup QB who plays once every 4 years making 10 million to sit on the bench vs nhl player making like 2 mill for 80 whatever games isnt rigut but her that's hockey the sport no one loves
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Also PS I should add I'm an NFL fan above all incase someone tries to tell me Aaron Roger's is worth the 69 billion a year (and for GBs dake he might be)
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davidponte posted...

The one that I hear most often is that it's kind of a respect thing, where if GMs start offer sheeting players, they put themselves in a position to be cut-off as trade partners from other teams.

This is always overblown. Ottawa trades Hoffman to the Sharks for the sole purpose of keeping him out of the division. What do the Sharks immediately do? Trade Hoffman back into the division. You would think this would cause damage to the Ottawa/San Jose relationship, but a few months later, Ottawa trades Karlsson to San Jose.

Granted Dorion is an atrocious GM

249USDollars posted...

davidponte posted...

The one that I hear most often is that it's kind of a respect thing, where if GMs start offer sheeting players, they put themselves in a position to be cut-off as trade partners from other teams.

This is always overblown. Ottawa trades Hoffman to the Sharks for the sole purpose of keeping him out of the division. What do the Sharks immediately do? Trade Hoffman back into the division. You would think this would cause damage to the Ottawa/San Jose relationship, but a few months later, Ottawa trades Karlsson to San Jose.

Granted Dorion is an atrocious GM

Keeping a player out of the division is so ridiculous in every sport. Wanna win the championship gotta play them. It's like lebron vs Toronto Raptors. He sings handily owned them. Owned their souls.

Do it in divisional or the finals it's the same thing
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Yeah but the Ottawa situation can rightly be explained with "lolsens"
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Wreath posted...

The fact that NBA players and even nfl players have absolutely massive contracts vs the nhl still pisses me off. Sure football may be harder on the body depending in the role injuries in the NBA are rare and 99% of the time its avoidable yet some get a max 110+ million for like 3 years. Some deserve it sure like Lebron.

A backup QB who plays once every 4 years making 10 million to sit on the bench vs nhl player making like 2 mill for 80 whatever games isnt rigut but her that's hockey the sport no one loves

If there were no salary cap in the NHL the Leafs would gladly sign every player for $15+ million.

But then you'd get teams like Ottawa that'd spend like $20 million total and ice an AHL team.
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249USDollars posted...

davidponte posted...

The one that I hear most often is that it's kind of a respect thing, where if GMs start offer sheeting players, they put themselves in a position to be cut-off as trade partners from other teams.

This is always overblown. Ottawa trades Hoffman to the Sharks for the sole purpose of keeping him out of the division. What do the Sharks immediately do? Trade Hoffman back into the division. You would think this would cause damage to the Ottawa/San Jose relationship, but a few months later, Ottawa trades Karlsson to San Jose.

Granted Dorion is an atrocious GM

I dunno man Karlsson ain't looking like such a steal right about now. Costing himself more and more money every game.

How bout Nylander for Karlsson straight up? It's become abundantly clear that the Sharks didn't need another offensive defenseman. Their forward depth is still a little shaky though. And unlike the Leafs, their path to the cup is wide open in that shit division. The Leafs could do everything right and still get bounced in the first round provided that either Rask or Hutton gets hot.
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davidponte posted...

hockeydude15 posted...

Not upset at all just stating something that is kinda obvious. The fact that teams don't offer sheet really good players that teams like the leafs refuse to sign until their entry level deal is up is just mind blowingly dumb. Like Matthews is a top 5 player in the league now, if you are a middling to bad team why shouldn't you throw 15 mil at him a year, he is well worth 4 1st round picks. The fact that we don't seem teams even attempt it is just laughable.

I think there's a variety of reasons why it doesn't happen. The one that I hear most often is that it's kind of a respect thing, where if GMs start offer sheeting players, they put themselves in a position to be cut-off as trade partners from other teams.

Then, five years later, that GM is fired and looking for a new job only to realize they've burned all their bridges by being the asshole who offer sheeted everyone's players and put a bunch of teams in a bad position.

If it became common place then you wouldn't have to worry about those burnt bridges.
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I think the cost is really only worth it for the generational players. McDavid and Matthews? The argument could be made that $15 million a year and 4 1st round picks would be worth it. But even then that seems steep.

A player of Nylander's caliber, however, is nowhere close. You'd have to be at at least $8 million for the Leafs to not match it, and then you'd be giving up a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick. I'd gladly take that. If you even go to $8.2 million then it becomes two 1st rounders.
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davidponte posted...

I think the cost is really only worth it for the generational players. McDavid and Matthews? The argument could be made that $15 million a year and 4 1st round picks would be worth it. But even then that seems steep.

A player of Nylander's caliber, however, is nowhere close. You'd have to be at at least $8 million for the Leafs to not match it, and then you'd be giving up a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round pick. I'd gladly take that. If you even go to $8.2 million then it becomes two 1st rounders.

You say 4 1sts for Matthews sounds steep but if the worst team right now offered that for him you wouldn't take that trade in a million years. Same with Nylander, yea you will gladly take the picks but if a team in the top half of the league offers that you would be pretty lucky to get a player of Nylanders quality from any of those picks.

As for the respect issue it is overblown. Any GM that would knowingly settle for less in a trade just because they won't deal with another team that offersheeted their player is straight up bad and should be fired. I mean yea I can see some GM's doing that but it would fall into the category of lolsens who get way less for their players to keep them out of the division.
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The point of Offer Sheeting Nylander isn't to get him, it's to force the Leafs to pay him more than they want to.
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