Current Events > If romatisized racism is banned from games, then why isn't romantisized sexism?

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Sexism as when woman are dressed like this:

https://imgur.com/6mkSB9u

For no other reason than to be portrayed as sex objects. Also note how she's not athletic, while if she was male, she would be toned and tight. But since athletic women are not seen as sexy, she has a soft body instead. This is also sexism.

So why is not sexism banned in games? And now we're talking about romantisized sexism.

no
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MakoReizei posted...

no

In order to discuss, you need to understand how argumentation works. If you don't, then please stay out.

Romanticized racism is banned in many more places than video games and portraying women as sex objects is still a standard and acceptable in many more places than just video games.
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Kineth posted...

Romanticized racism is banned in many more places than video games and portraying women as sex objects is still a standard and acceptable in many more places than just video games.

True. And why do you think that is?

You do realize plenty of women like playing as sexy female characters too right?
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Infinite 2003 posted...

You do realize plenty of women like playing as sexy female characters too right?

Depends on how they're portrayed. This character in particular is not tough or strong, she just lets her ass hang out for no reason.

If you have a female who is portrayed as both strong and sexy, then yes some women want to play as that.

Women choose to be sex symbols, only fat, ugly, butch women have a problem with this.
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Banning sexy outfits is a little ... extreme, even by my standards.
That being said, yes, video games have historically struggled to not be sexist. Given the increase in women who play video games as well as the awareness of it, I think it has become less of an overarching issue in the industry.
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

Women choose to be sex symbols, only fat, ugly, butch women have a problem with this.

What do you base this on?

_Lyonidias posted...

Banning sexy outfits is a little ... extreme, even by my standards.
That being said, yes, video games have historically struggled to not be sexist. Given the increase in women who play video games as well as the awareness of it, I think it has become less of an overarching issue in the industry.

Why is it extreme? Do you think OP girl is NOT sexist?

Bogarskado posted...

Kineth posted...

Romanticized racism is banned in many more places than video games and portraying women as sex objects is still a standard and acceptable in many more places than just video games.

True. And why do you think that is?

Why are comparing the two as if there's any casuality or correlation between the two?

Also, portraying women as sex objects doesn't alienate nearly as much of the targeted populace as racism does. Women are still treated as capable and equals in video games despite being represented as sex objects.
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Kineth posted...

Bogarskado posted...

Kineth posted...

Romanticized racism is banned in many more places than video games and portraying women as sex objects is still a standard and acceptable in many more places than just video games.

True. And why do you think that is?

Why are comparing the two as if there's any casuality or correlation between the two?

We don't know if it is, or if it's not. That's why you speculate to find a logic reasoning.

Bogarskado posted...

Kineth posted...

Bogarskado posted...

Kineth posted...

Romanticized racism is banned in many more places than video games and portraying women as sex objects is still a standard and acceptable in many more places than just video games.

True. And why do you think that is?

Why are comparing the two as if there's any casuality or correlation between the two?

We don't know if it is, or if it's not. That's why you speculate to find a logic reasoning.

You're not fooling me with this shit. State your position.
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I wasnt implying a lack of sexism, but a ban on sexy outfits is unreasonable.
Should it be the industry standard? Absolutely not.

Its extreme and doesnt really help much in the sense that the underlying assumption is that women only dress a certain way for male pleasure, rather than assuming the woman is an agent capable of making decisions that are not always male centric.
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_Lyonidias posted...

I wasnt implying a lack of sexism, but a ban on sexy outfits is unreasonable.
Should it be the industry standard? Absolutely not.

Its extreme and doesnt really help much in the sense that the underlying assumption is that women only dress a certain way for male pleasure, rather than assuming the woman is an agent capable of making decisions that are not always male centric.

But this argument is flawed, because this female character doesn't have a will of her own, she's created by males, for males. And by doing that, not only do they dress her in a sexist way, they also shape her body in a sexist way.

dumb topic for sjws.
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Rika_Furude posted...

dumb topic for sjws.

men like sexy babes

apparently this is bad
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Y'all took the bait.
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Hairistotle posted...

im not sure im following correctly

tc would you mind rephrasing what youre saying

OK. It's about the portrayal of OP girl.

Instead of having a proper outfit and having a fit body, she's wearing a thong and her body is soft. The reason is that a thong and a soft body is more sexy than a proper outfit and an athletic body.

That is, she's made into a sex object, which is sexism.

Bogarskado posted...

_Lyonidias posted...

I wasnt implying a lack of sexism, but a ban on sexy outfits is unreasonable.
Should it be the industry standard? Absolutely not.

Its extreme and doesnt really help much in the sense that the underlying assumption is that women only dress a certain way for male pleasure, rather than assuming the woman is an agent capable of making decisions that are not always male centric.

But this argument is flawed, because this female character doesn't have a will of her own, she's created by males, for males. And by doing that, not only do they dress her in a sexist way, they also shape her body in a sexist way.

I meant in a general sense. But I do think that there has been improvement in the industry. Hopefully improvement will continue.
Sexism I think doesnt generally anger people as much as racism, nor should it be seen as a battle for who is the most oppressed.
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_Lyonidias posted...

Bogarskado posted...

_Lyonidias posted...

I wasnt implying a lack of sexism, but a ban on sexy outfits is unreasonable.
Should it be the industry standard? Absolutely not.

Its extreme and doesnt really help much in the sense that the underlying assumption is that women only dress a certain way for male pleasure, rather than assuming the woman is an agent capable of making decisions that are not always male centric.

But this argument is flawed, because this female character doesn't have a will of her own, she's created by males, for males. And by doing that, not only do they dress her in a sexist way, they also shape her body in a sexist way.

I meant in a general sense. But I do think that there has been improvement in the industry. Hopefully improvement will continue.
Sexism I think doesnt generally anger people as much as racism, nor should it be seen as a battle for who is the most oppressed.

So how do you judge OP girl? Sexist or not?

go away sybb
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Of course its sexist.
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_Lyonidias posted...

Of course its sexist.

Then we agree. So, in order to make OP girl NOT sexist, what changes would you make?

Bogarskado posted...

_Lyonidias posted...

Of course its sexist.

Then we agree. So, in order to make OP girl NOT sexist, what changes would you make?

Reasonable clothing, including a greater variety of opinions in developing video games
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_Lyonidias posted...

Bogarskado posted...

_Lyonidias posted...

Of course its sexist.

Then we agree. So, in order to make OP girl NOT sexist, what changes would you make?

Reasonable clothing, including a greater variety of opinions in developing video games

Define reasonable clothing. Also, you think her body is OK for a mercenary?

I would be fine with a man with a soft body wearing revealing clothing. Yes, it's sexualizing, but it's not inherently sexist.
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HashtagTartarus posted...

I would be fine with a man with a soft body wearing revealing clothing. Yes, it's sexualizing, but it's not inherently sexist.

You very rarely see men, who are mercenaries or similar though profession, to have soft bodies. They're always athletic.

Bogarskado posted...

_Lyonidias posted...

Bogarskado posted...

_Lyonidias posted...

Of course its sexist.

Then we agree. So, in order to make OP girl NOT sexist, what changes would you make?

Reasonable clothing, including a greater variety of opinions in developing video games

Define reasonable clothing. Also, you think her body is OK for a mercenary?

Thats debatable. Something a bit less obvious and that covered more would be appropriate for a mercenary. That body type is slightly unrealistic regardless of what she is intended upon portraying.

This is only one small fragment of a larger problem imo.
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Bogarskado posted...

HashtagTartarus posted...

I would be fine with a man with a soft body wearing revealing clothing. Yes, it's sexualizing, but it's not inherently sexist.

You very rarely see men, who are mercenaries or similar though profession, to have soft bodies. They're always athletic.

We should fix that. Although I actually don't see why you're making a big deal about soft vs athletic bodies because a lot of people find athletic bodies sexy.
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_Lyonidias posted...

That body type is slightly unrealistic regardless of what she is intended upon portraying.

This is interesting, how do you mean?

HashtagTartarus posted...

Bogarskado posted...

HashtagTartarus posted...

I would be fine with a man with a soft body wearing revealing clothing. Yes, it's sexualizing, but it's not inherently sexist.

You very rarely see men, who are mercenaries or similar though profession, to have soft bodies. They're always athletic.

We should fix that. Although I actually don't see why you're making a big deal about soft vs athletic bodies because a lot of people find athletic bodies sexy.

Not on women.

Sexism really works both ways in video game. You dont see fat tublard male protagonists in video games that often unless it's to make fun of them. The general demographic of male gamers sent represented by characters like Solid Snake, Captain Falcon, Geralt, etc. Its all fantasy at the end of the day.
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Bogarskado posted...

HashtagTartarus posted...

Bogarskado posted...

HashtagTartarus posted...

I would be fine with a man with a soft body wearing revealing clothing. Yes, it's sexualizing, but it's not inherently sexist.

You very rarely see men, who are mercenaries or similar though profession, to have soft bodies. They're always athletic.

We should fix that. Although I actually don't see why you're making a big deal about soft vs athletic bodies because a lot of people find athletic bodies sexy.

Not on women.

That's sexist.
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Kineth posted...

Also, portraying women as sex objects doesn't alienate nearly as much of the targeted populace as racism does. Women are still treated as capable and equals in video games despite being represented as sex objects.

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Bogarskado posted...

But this argument is flawed, because this female character doesn't have a will of her own, she's created by males, for males

This is not something that will always be the case. These types of characters are usually designed to appeal to straight male sexuality, but being designed by females is quite common, especially in Japan.
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