Poll of the Day > papercup plays every Final Fantasy game returns! Part XV: On the road again

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MechaKirby posted...

Ignis shoulda got his own game

Iron Chef: FFXV Edition

Or a driving game.
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Ff15 fucking sucked. Honestly 13 > 15

IAmNowGone posted...

Ff15 fucking sucked. Honestly 13 > 15

You think a tunnel simulator is better than an actual game?
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ComradeSeraphim posted...

IAmNowGone posted...

Ff15 fucking sucked. Honestly 13 > 15

You think a tunnel simulator is better than an actual game?

I mean, X (and X-2 by extension) was just was much of a hallway simulator. The differences being:

- X allowed for backtracking to earlier areas
- X held your hand less
- X made more efforts to give you the illusion of freedom, despite the corridors being all over.

So, that said, let's not discount XIII's quality as a game, albeit a poor one, just because of how railroaded the experience was. XIII actually was better than XV, because it tried to have a point, and the first game of the trilogy was so whole without the need for an anime, a movie, a mobile game or two, and however much DLC besides just to tell a fraction of the story missing from the core game. XV had an open world? That's nice. It was a piece of crap with shit to do between objectives on that map, and night fell so quickly that you could barely do the quests that were present.
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Entity13 posted...

ComradeSeraphim posted...

IAmNowGone posted...

Ff15 fucking sucked. Honestly 13 > 15

You think a tunnel simulator is better than an actual game?

I mean, X (and X-2 by extension) was just was much of a hallway simulator. The differences being:

- X allowed for backtracking to earlier areas
- X held your hand less
- X made more efforts to give you the illusion of freedom, despite the corridors being all over.

So, that said, let's not discount XIII's quality as a game, albeit a poor one, just because of how railroaded the experience was. XIII actually was better than XV, because it tried to have a point, and the first game of the trilogy was so whole without the need for an anime, a movie, a mobile game or two, and however much DLC besides just to tell a fraction of the story missing from the core game. XV had an open world? That's nice. It was a piece of crap with shit to do between objectives on that map, and night fell so quickly that you could barely do the quests that were present.

And once again I must point out I understood and enjoyed the story of xv without the movie or the anime and felt the dlcs told nothing important to the main plot. Sorry if you couldn't comprehend the story. You can say it's a bad story and I won't argue cause that's an opinion and I respect your right to have one. But the game didn't need the movie or the anime that was just square being over confident this game was going to be a smash hit. That or trying too hard to make it a smash hit by trying to hype it up with the movie and anime.
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mooreandrew58 posted...

Sorry if you couldn't comprehend the story.

Except I did. Comprehending the story =/= having a full story. XV's story was lacking. There's a hell of a difference there.

mooreandrew58 posted...

You can say it's a bad story and I won't argue cause that's an opinion and I respect your right to have one. But the game didn't need the movie or the anime that was just square being over confident this game was going to be a smash hit.

No that was a combination of Squeenix realizing that the story was incomplete, and that it could always make even more money, regardless of the core game's sales. Square Enix is greedy and leaves for wont when it comes to quality content or story. XV only kicked off their claim to the "games as a service" model.

mooreandrew58 posted...

That or trying too hard to make it a smash hit by trying to hype it up with the movie and anime.

They rose the hype so the game could meet their insane goal for copies sold when it came to XV. People knew it was insane when the number was announced; there was news about this. The movies, anime, and so on were, as I said, an attempt to cash in further, and tell more story because the game itself needed more.

The DLC followed, over time, including the three planned chapters based on chunks of the story taken out of the main game to be resold later.

And don't even get me started on "FFXV: New Empire."
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Entity13 posted...

mooreandrew58 posted...

Sorry if you couldn't comprehend the story.

Except I did. Comprehending the story =/= having a full story. XV's story was lacking. There's a hell of a difference there.

mooreandrew58 posted...

You can say it's a bad story and I won't argue cause that's an opinion and I respect your right to have one. But the game didn't need the movie or the anime that was just square being over confident this game was going to be a smash hit.

No that was a combination of Squeenix realizing that the story was incomplete, and that it could always make even more money, regardless of the core game's sales. Square Enix is greedy and leaves for wont when it comes to quality content or story. XV only kicked off their claim to the "games as a service" model.

mooreandrew58 posted...

That or trying too hard to make it a smash hit by trying to hype it up with the movie and anime.

They rose the hype so the game could meet their insane goal for copies sold when it came to XV. People knew it was insane when the number was announced; there was news about this. The movies, anime, and so on were, as I said, an attempt to cash in further, and tell more story because the game itself needed more.

The DLC followed, over time, including the three planned chapters based on chunks of the story taken out of the main game to be resold later.

And don't even get me started on "FFXV: New Empire."

And I still fail how to see it's a incomplete story. If it where I'd have far more questions about things that happened. The only dlc that felt like a low blow on withheld info was ignis. The rest felt like they where intentionally written that way to push dlc sales. Not one thing about Gladys dlc was important to the story. He could have never left the party and jack shit woulda been different.

Promptos didn't really add anything relevant either other than better explaining what he already tells you after his rescue.
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is this homie seriously trying to argue that 15s story is good?

the game where the entire story happens off screen and isn't told to us in any fucking way?
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FFXIII is better than FFXV purely on the merit that XIII wasn't so bad that it made me return the game during the tutorial.

Only Square Enix could make a game so jarringly different than its predecessors that it makes one of its most religious followers quit in the tutorial.
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I'll be honest, I don't even remember XIII that well. Just when you go down to the planet it stops being a hallway for a while and starts being like a real game.
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papercup posted...

I'll be honest, I don't even remember XIII that well. Just when you go down to the planet it stops being a hallway for a while and starts being like a real game.

That's part of why I loved the Calmlands in X, when I first got there.
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Entity13 posted...

I mean, X (and X-2 by extension) was just was much of a hallway simulator.

Yeah, and that was the primary reason why I hated FFX. Hallway environments are an unforgivable sin in game design.
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Oh, another thought I had about 5.0 We might be getting Blitzball. That might be one of the big features they talk about. I won't count on it showing up, I just wouldn't be surprised if it's mentioned.
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papercup posted...

Oh, another thought I had about 5.0 We might be getting Blitzball. That might be one of the big features they talk about. I won't count on it showing up, I just wouldn't be surprised if it's mentioned.

We've all been contemplating Blitzball since the Gold Saucer came out at the end of ARR. It was brought up again pre-SB when swimming and diving were added. So we'll see, I guess.
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helIy posted...

is this homie seriously trying to argue that 15s story is good?

the game where the entire story happens off screen and isn't told to us in any fucking way?

If you refer to me show me where I argued it was good. I'll wait. Good is an opinion and I'm not here to argue opinions. I said you don't need the movie anime or dlcs to understand the story. But for some reason people keep trying to spread that ignorant BS.

I still haven't seen the movie or anime and I have no issues knowing what happened how it happened and why it happened.
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FFXV has a whole menagerie of technical problems. The framerate ranges from about 2 to 57. Loading takes a god damn age. I fought a pack of coeurls last night, and they all did the lightning attack thing at the same time. I thought my computer was going to melt. The screen was frozen for like 15 seconds then all of a sudden "Game Over" and it took like 2 minutes to load out of the game over screen. Sometimes it hitches in the middle of attacking, and even though the attack clearly hits the target, it hitched at just the right time that the attack didn't do anything. Also, for whatever reason, whenever it runs, it takes up the entirety of my SSD as virtual memory. And it's not even installed to the C drive. And even then it still takes for fucking ever to load.

Oh, and sometimes I'll be driving down the road, and all of a sudden I'll get a loading screen.
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papercup posted...

FFXV has a whole menagerie of technical problems. The framerate ranges from about 2 to 57. Loading takes a god damn age. I fought a pack of coeurls last night, and they all did the lightning attack thing at the same time. I thought my computer was going to melt. The screen was frozen for like 15 seconds then all of a sudden "Game Over" and it took like 2 minutes to load out of the game over screen. Sometimes it hitches in the middle of attacking, and even though the attack clearly hits the target, it hitched at just the right time that the attack didn't do anything. Also, for whatever reason, whenever it runs, it takes up the entirety of my SSD as virtual memory. And it's not even installed to the C drive. And even then it still takes for fucking ever to load.

Oh, and sometimes I'll be driving down the road, and all of a sudden I'll get a loading screen.

So you saying a ps4 is more powerful than your computer? Cause I have none of those problems. Think I've had a framerate drop a handful of times but it's rare.
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I wouldn't say a PS4 is more powerful than my computer. My computer is above recommended settings. So it must be way more powerful than a PS4. What's more likely is the game is either horribly optimized for PC, or, something about the game doesn't like something in my particular hardware configuration. Porting to PC is tricky business, and SE doesn't exactly have the best track record there.
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papercup posted...

I wouldn't say a PS4 is more powerful than my computer. My computer is above recommended settings. So it must be way more powerful than a PS4. What's more likely is the game is either horribly optimized for PC, or, something about the game doesn't like something in my particular hardware configuration. Porting to PC is tricky business, and SE doesn't exactly have the best track record there.

Fair enough. Glad I'm not a PC player then. I tend to like SE games. Wonder if that's why my brother's gf is having trouble with the latest tomb raider
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Will we finally get a new Job announcement at NA fanfest? Will MCH be a fully realized Job? Will WHM lillies have a purpose? Probably no to all 3, but I'm still excited!
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papercup posted...

Will we finally get a new Job announcement at NA fanfest? Will MCH be a fully realized Job? Will WHM lillies have a purpose? Probably no to all 3, but I'm still excited!

At the very least I want to see Yoshi's shirt. That pre-reveal should be interesting.
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Unlocked Rank 4 hunts. I don't know what else more I can do to get tons of exp. I think I'm just gonna go rest at the resort with about 70k exp saved up. So I'll probably get like 10 levels from all that lol
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papercup posted...

Unlocked Rank 4 hunts. I don't know what else more I can do to get tons of exp. I think I'm just gonna go rest at the resort with about 70k exp saved up. So I'll probably get like 10 levels from all that lol

Before Chapter 9(?) when the open world becomes a linear game, there is a sort of circular route you can run around on foot to find glimmers on the ground. Use that to find coins.

Put enough of said coins into your magic spells, which should contain a ton of the drawn elements that are easy to recharge. The coins act like multipliers.

Find a worthwhile fight to combat. Use the magic. If you find a cactuar then it's even better.

Repeat enough times before going to the resort. Then enjoy the levels you get.
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Ahh, I didn't know I could use coins like that. >_> I'll give that a shot XD

Oh, also, 5.0. So in 4.x, expanding housing was a HUGE issue, for months and months. That, and a ton of glamour and other related systems got expansions/additions/reworks/whatever. I hope that they kind of just used 4.x to get that stuff out of the way, and 5.0/5.x they focus on things people want, like more dungeons and trials content per patch. Although, that being said, the glamour dresser does need some work. Even if they don't add extreme versions, I would love the 5.0 Hildy questline to add more fun, silly trials like the Gilgamesh fights.

Apparently we might be getting a Yojimbo trial in the 4.5 Hildy quests, I really hope that's true.

Also, whatever happened to Ozma (Savage)?
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BTW, here's a link to the event schedule for anybody curious. There's also a link to the livestream at the bottom.
https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/topics/detail/2fc19abcaabd6b2849c047f06286fa16d3963aee

5.0 announcement should be in the opening keynote.
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papercup posted...

Ahh, I didn't know I could use coins like that. >_> I'll give that a shot XD

Yep, and some coins, like Rare Coins, are better than others for that.

papercup posted...

Oh, also, 5.0. So in 4.x, expanding housing was a HUGE issue, for months and months. That, and a ton of glamour and other related systems got expansions/additions/reworks/whatever. I hope that they kind of just used 4.x to get that stuff out of the way, and 5.0/5.x they focus on things people want, like more dungeons and trials content per patch. Although, that being said, the glamour dresser does need some work. Even if they don't add extreme versions, I would love the 5.0 Hildy questline to add more fun, silly trials like the Gilgamesh fights.

Apparently we might be getting a Yojimbo trial in the 4.5 Hildy quests, I really hope that's true.

Also, whatever happened to Ozma (Savage)?

Don't forget pushing Eureka despite the increasing number of jeers and cries, because of Diadem + watered-down FFXI.

We can only hope. A Jim trial would be fantastic, and a great way to round off Hildebrand in Stormblood.
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My final prediction before fanfest:

They are terminating console and PC development of the game to focus on the mobile market.

Don't you guys have phooooooones?
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More like cancelling production of FFXIV to work on FFXI Mobile full time.
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There is a new playable race, female only, but it's Seeq.
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But isn't Seeq an all male race?
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Judgmenl posted...

More like cancelling production of FFXIV to work on FFXI Mobile full time.

haha, good one, we're never getting ffxi mobile
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Greenfox111 posted...

Judgmenl posted...

More like cancelling production of FFXIV to work on FFXI Mobile full time.

haha, good one, we're never getting ffxi mobile

Not without some serious monetization. You know...

- 24 hour cooldowns per Trust, unless you pay a "small fee" per NPC for that day or week, which then adds up quickly.
- Purchases of rng-based drops or abilities (lol BLU) gained, which will be even worse than the original game.
- You can only access so many zones a day, due to "mobile server limits" unless you pay a quarter per area during that same day, use it or lose it.
- RMTs will run rampant with their advertisements, but you can block them that week for a price.
- Shantotto, Lion, and a few other NPCs will not appear to you unless you buy their "optional content packs."
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Fan fest stream starting soon
https://www.twitch.tv/finalfantasyxiv
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This expansions is going to be insane.
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Blue Mage coming... in 4.5!!!!!!
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papercup posted...

Blue Mage coming... in 4.5!!!!!!

seems it will be capped at 50 for a while :(
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Greenfox111 posted...

papercup posted...

Blue Mage coming... in 4.5!!!!!!

seems it will be capped at 50 for a while :(

Yeah it sounds weird. I wonder if the goal is by the end of 5.x it will be level 80 capped slowly. That's a strange way to do it. Maybe it's because it HAS to learn monster actions, so they want you to have ample time and opportunity to learn them.
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papercup posted...

Greenfox111 posted...

papercup posted...

Blue Mage coming... in 4.5!!!!!!

seems it will be capped at 50 for a while :(

Yeah it sounds weird. I wonder if the goal is by the end of 5.x it will be level 80 capped slowly. That's a strange way to do it. Maybe it's because it HAS to learn monster actions, so they want you to have ample time and opportunity to learn them.

Marv and I both suspect that the 50 cap is so BLU won't mess with the META or balancing of raids during StB. The cap will probably go to 80 with ShB since that will be when we see an overall shift in balancing with Gunblader and Dancer.
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/55294077867917312/513059490556411904/123.png

Okay, general info announced:
Title: Shadowbringers
Releasing Early Summer 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxBYy1uzSqI" data-time="
Derplander is a Dark Knight now.
Thancred has a Gunblade
A new calamity, bringing the world into the 8th and final Umbral Era
We will be going to Garlemald, and taking down the Empire
5.0 we will deal with the Ascian threat
We will learn more about Hydaelyn and Zodiark
Warrior of Light will have to become a Warrior of Darkness (Flood of Light coming back in a big way?)
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Level cap raised to 80
Multiple new Jobs
Skill and bar pruning
Role Action rework
MP and TP combined into one resource(this is the thing I'm most worried about. This can completely break jobs like DRK or RDM)
Shields will have a visible health bar
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New zones will have much more of a "high fantasy" feel to them.
New zones include: Rak'Tika Greatwood. Will be very vertical. Settlements will be in the treetops. This looks like a Viera zone.
Amh Araeng looks like a city on a cliffside, very windy. Has an Aetheryte
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New Beast tribe: Nu Mou
New NPC races include Pixies, and Dwarves
New Primals of course
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A whopping 9 dungeons will be available at launch
New raid will be "very Final Fantasy"
New 24-man raids. But no info given since Return to Ivalice isn't over.
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Crafters and Gatherers will get tons of love
DoH/DoL will be able to rebuild The Holy See of Ishgard
...So that Ishgard will get a brand new housing ward!!!
Farming will be a new Gatherer feature. Probably not a DoL class.
New gear and recipes
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New system: Trusts! Idea kind of similar to FFXI system. Trusts will be able to run current dungeon content, like your GC squadron for old content
Only a few NPCs will be available at launch, they will add more over time.
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New system: New Game +
Replay the story at your current level and item level (This sounds like scaling difficulty to me)
More info coming later
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New System: World Visit
City-State Aetherytes will allow you to travel between different servers on the same data center! Yes!!
Can do MSQ, hunts, treasure maps, etc. on visited world
They want Balmung players to get out and visit other worlds lol
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32-Bit Window support is ending!
NA/EU getting NEW Data Centers! Plus old DCs will have servers redistributed. In addition to this, they will offer free server transfer for a limited time.
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New playable race! Very VERY heavily implied to be Viera
FINAL new playable race they will ever implement.
We will see a new race NPC in 4.5 24-man raid.
Yoshi was wearing a Bugs Bunny shirt, mentioned Peter Rabbit.
It's Viera, we're getting Viera
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New Jobs
Hint at Gunblader in trailer.
Blue Mage coming in 4.5!
BLU is the first "limited job". It is not associated with any class, and is capped at level 50. It HAS to learn monster actions. There will be a special BLU instance to learn actions. level cap will raise throughout 5.x
BLU uses pimp canes.
Heavily implied there will be tons and tons of actions to learn, and they will be difficult to acquire.
Sounds like something to do between 4.5 and 5.0

Some thing sounds good, others sketchy. Overall better than I was expecting, and I've very excited to learn more at Paris fanfest in February
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Oh, the World Visit feature is coming BEFORE 5.0
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papercup posted...

Derplander is a Dark Knight now.

My joke being that, since 5.0 is the Drk expansion, Drk will explicitly suck until mid expac at the earliest.
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Entity13 posted...

papercup posted...

Derplander is a Dark Knight now.

My joke being that, since 5.0 is the Drk expansion, Drk will explicitly suck until mid expac at the earliest.

Too true
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Especially since TP and MP are now one resource... I might have picked a bad time to become a DRK main lol
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papercup posted...

Especially since TP and MP are now one resource... I might have picked a bad time to become a DRK main lol

This is going to make things interesting for Brd.

How will the refreshers work? How will Foes' Requiem work?
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This looks like it's probably the collector's edition art

https://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Final-Fantast-XIV-Shadowbringers-Art-600x800.jpg

Amano is talented af
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Anyway, back to FFXV!

Went over to The Rock of Ravatogh. I found the weapon there, my second outside of the initial 2 you get in the tutorial. While I was there I did a couple hunts. Oh boy. The first one, against six wasps was the hardest thing I've done in this game so far. I used pretty much all my phoenix downs, mega elixers and most of my hi elixers. I would use a mega elixer, and about 4 seconds later I would have to use another one. The problem was they have NO tells for there attacks as far as I can tell, my weapons, despite having hundreds of points of damage on them, were doing next to nothing, and that was if I could even hit them at all.

Long story short, fuck wasps.

Then I did another one where I fought 7 wyverns, and that was a piece of cake, despite being a higher level fight. Didn't have to use a single curative.

Edit: Oh, also, Noctis is an asshole lol. At the peak of the Rock, Prompto was like "wow, this view alone was worth the climb!" and Noctis was just like "Ehhh, no it wasn't" lmao
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Keep in mind also that he has a slightly different personality between Japanese and English lines. As in, they were totally written different. We got the asshole who is relatively proud, compared to the laid back guy who's just glad to help or contribute.
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Calling it now, when they "announced" Viera yesterday, everyone pictured this:
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/4/42/XII_Viera.JPG/revision/latest?cb=20100416201314
Tall, slender, dark, elegant, etc.

But, what we're actually getting is this:
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/c/c2/Midia_RW.png/revision/latest?cb=20161005211327
Shorter, cuter, pale, etc.

The most popular race/gender combinations in FFXIV are cute ones. So, Miqo girls, Auri girls, Lalafells. They know this, so they don't want to make a tall race since few people play Elezen and Roegadyn.

Ideally, since there will presumably be two clans, the best thing they could do is make one clan the tall elegant version, and make the other the shorter, lalafell with bunny ears version. Make everyone happy. I don't see that happening though.
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I'm making so many accurate calls here.

Ninetailed Fox for getting all doggos? Balmung and Greg being separated when the new Data Center comes? Goodness gracious.
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They're putting both Balmung and Mateus in the new DC. Those mad men, those absolute mad men.
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