Poll of the Day > papercup plays every Final Fantasy game returns! Part XV: On the road again

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papercup
11/08/18 3:37:23 PM
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I just can't wait to get on the road again

That's right, it's been long enough since I've done one of these, it's past due. If you don't know/remember what this is, a few years ago I set out on the task of playing every numbered Final Fantasy, in order. When I started this little project, FFXIV A Realm Reborn was out, and the Heavensward expansion and FFXV weren't released yet. Over the course of a year, I played every Final Fantasy, from I to XIII-2. I didn't play XI or XIII-3. I might play XI one day, XIII and especially XIII-2 were so bad I didn't bother with 3. Don't really want to, anyway. This time I'm playing Final Fantasy XV: Road Trip Simulator 2016.

Before we get into that, I've played FFXIV every day for a couple of years now, but I don't make topics about it, because nobody would care. I can say that I have played Dragoon way more than I care to admit, and I have cleared many many raids, and I have every single Job and gathering/crafting class max leveled. Recently got into tanking, and I quite enjoy it. I don't really like Paladin, it's a bit too simple for my tastes, but Dark Knight and Warrior are tons of fun.

Anyway, FFXV! Where to begin. I started out with the tutorial, and found the game unresponsive. I started over and tried the lore tutorial, went up to a painting... and nothing happened after the first text box, and I couldn't exit. Off to a great start already! So I killed the process and relaunched the game, and now it works fine. So how is it? I heard it was unfinished, and it feels like it. The map feels empty and needlessly large. NPCs are very rough looking. The art design is a bit uninspired. Music is ehhhh. There were like 4 cutscenes that seemed to have nothing to do with each other, it feels like it takes 30 minutes to get going then you start hitting dogs with sticks. Combat is... weird. You just hold a button to attack, and when a prompt comes up you hold a different button to defend. But sometimes it doesn't defend. Sometimes there's no prompt. Sometimes you can tell one of the backstreet boys to shoot a gun or something and you might be able to follow it up with another attack. Idk maybe there's more to it later.

Maybe it's just off to a rocky start, maybe like XIII when the game really gets going it's not so bad. I'll give it a fair shot.

And, no, I DON'T hate Final Fantasy. I love Final Fantasy. pretty much every game before 10, excluding 2 and 8 are masterpieces, and some of the most influential and important games ever made. It's just, barring XIV, recent FF games have been bloated messes that stray too far from what makes FF amazing.
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Judgmenl
11/08/18 3:42:01 PM
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I remember you doing this years ago, good luck and stabs joo.
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Entity13
11/08/18 4:14:48 PM
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To this day, my fondest memories of FFXV were accidentally cooking my chocobo, and the mere presence of Aranea.
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papercup
11/08/18 6:25:33 PM
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So got to the pier, had to go find some rocks for a guy to get on the boat. Found out some shit happened back home, and drove back and right when the car got to its destination the game crashed.
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papercup
11/10/18 12:31:26 AM
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That's it! I've come up with a new recipe!
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helIy
11/10/18 12:39:06 AM
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the battle system is like, the one thing 15 is actually good at.

and fishing, for some reason.
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ComradeSeraphim
11/10/18 1:24:09 AM
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papercup posted...
I might play XI one day

Just so you know, although it's an MMO, FFXI has added new features that make it possible to play most of the content completely solo now.

(Square-Enix was kind of forced to add such features due to the dwindling player-base.)
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ComradeSeraphim
11/10/18 1:30:49 AM
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papercup posted...
So got to the pier, had to go find some rocks for a guy to get on the boat. Found out some shit happened back home, and drove back and right when the car got to its destination the game crashed.

Did you watch Kingsglave, the prequel movie for FFXV? If not, you probably should. You kind of need to watch it in order to understand the story. The movie basically goes into explicit detail about what all that "shit that happened back home" was all about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W31NUbPG00c" data-time="

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Entity13
11/10/18 1:32:39 AM
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ComradeSeraphim posted...
papercup posted...
I might play XI one day

Just so you know, although it's an MMO, FFXI has added new features that make it possible to play most of the content completely solo now.

(Square-Enix was kind of forced to add such features due to the dwindling player-base.)


I recently watched some missions on Youtube and saw that as well. There are still people playing it, sure, but it's effectively a glorified chatroom attached to a mostly solo experience (with exceptions).

If it wasn't for my lack of a game copy, or the extra subscription, I might have considered just doing that myself, at least more than I did. I'm content with what I watched, and having listened to the soundtrack over again.
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Entity13
11/10/18 6:23:02 AM
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Meanwhile, I just got my platinum trophy for Wild Arms 3. That's one less game to work on or worry about. xD
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papercup
11/10/18 9:12:46 AM
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helIy posted...
the battle system is like, the one thing 15 is actually good at.

and fishing, for some reason.


Yeah I played around with the fishing a little bit, and actually found myself enjoying it.

ComradeSeraphim posted...
papercup posted...
I might play XI one day

Just so you know, although it's an MMO, FFXI has added new features that make it possible to play most of the content completely solo now.

(Square-Enix was kind of forced to add such features due to the dwindling player-base.)


Ooh, interesting. I'll have to look into that.

ComradeSeraphim posted...
papercup posted...
So got to the pier, had to go find some rocks for a guy to get on the boat. Found out some shit happened back home, and drove back and right when the car got to its destination the game crashed.

Did you watch Kingsglave, the prequel movie for FFXV? If not, you probably should. You kind of need to watch it in order to understand the story. The movie basically goes into explicit detail about what all that "shit that happened back home" was all about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W31NUbPG00c" data-time="


I've heard this. I've also heard it's really bad XD I'll still check it out if it's that vital.

Entity13 posted...
Meanwhile, I just got my platinum trophy for Wild Arms 3. That's one less game to work on or worry about. xD


I beat Arkham Knight a few days ago and got the true ending. I was right, the Knight was Jason Todd lol. Also, I'm fairly certain Bruce Wayne wouldn't kill Alfred and himself, so I'm guessing "Nightmare Batman" is just Bruce under a different identity. And there's a lot of hints that this is true, like his final interactions with Catwoman, Nightwing, and even some of the villains. It really doesn't make sense for any of the Robins to take up the mantle, and Terry McGinnis 1) wasn't born yet probably and 2) was never mentioned once in the series, so NB is probably not Batman Beyond.
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Kigalas
11/10/18 9:30:11 AM
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Theres also the Brotherhood anime thing. Nothing like telling a cohesive story in a video game using multiple media types and not telling the players about it.
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ComradeSeraphim
11/10/18 10:44:46 AM
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Kigalas posted...
Theres also the Brotherhood anime thing. Nothing like telling a cohesive story in a video game using multiple media types and not telling the players about it.

Oh yeah, the FFXV anime. You should probably watch that too, papercup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtvseFL1eSA" data-time="

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papercup
11/10/18 6:36:06 PM
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Currently in chapter 3. About level 21 or 22 or so I believe. I don't really feel like I'm getting stronger? idk. I'm also trying to complete every hunt and sidequest I can. Probably overkill, but we'll see how far that gets me.
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Entity13
11/10/18 7:56:07 PM
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Yeah, it's one of those games where you can be max level, but your hits won't do squat without better weapons, of which they are few and far between.
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papercup
11/10/18 8:01:55 PM
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Yeah Cid keeps telling me to go get stuff to upgrade my weapons but doesn't tell me where to get it. :P

Also, Prompto is presumably a 19 or 20-year-old, but he acts like a 13-year-old anime girl. >_>
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Entity13
11/10/18 8:47:02 PM
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Google helps for those items. Be ready to fight RNG on a few mats.
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mooreandrew58
11/10/18 11:34:16 PM
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papercup posted...
That's it! I've come up with a new recipeh !


Fixed that for you. Think they even spell it that way in his tech "quick recipeh"
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mooreandrew58
11/10/18 11:38:02 PM
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papercup posted...
Yeah Cid keeps telling me to go get stuff to upgrade my weapons but doesn't tell me where to get it. :P

Also, Prompto is presumably a 19 or 20-year-old, but he acts like a 13-year-old anime girl. >_>


Just play and pick up shit when you see it. There is no real rush to upgrade these weapons. Think ultima sword or whatever is the only one I went out of my way for and only because I wanted it before end game.

Also nothing wrong with how prompto acts I've met far more ppl in real life like him than the other three. Well maybe noct.
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Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!"
papercup
11/11/18 12:06:28 AM
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Little FFXIV update, just finished the first step of my first Pyros weapon.
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helIy
11/11/18 2:10:25 AM
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you'll learn more about prompto.
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mooreandrew58
11/11/18 2:15:52 AM
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helIy posted...
you'll learn more about prompto.


He's actually my favorite character in the game. Personality wise and his own personal back story. And his dlc though it feels to me like square was like what if we just take ideas from metal gear solid and through a final fantasy Paint job on it. As far as the plot anyways.
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Cid- "looks like that overgrown lobster just got served!" Bartz-"with cheese biscuts AND mashed potatoes!"
Zacek
11/11/18 2:16:35 AM
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Maybe you can do a Twitch...
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papercup
11/11/18 8:45:43 AM
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Zacek posted...
Maybe you can do a Twitch...


I'm not that charismatic, and the game already runs like ass, can't imagine what it would be like while recording it.
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Zacek
11/11/18 5:47:43 PM
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papercup posted...
Zacek posted...
Maybe you can do a Twitch...


I'm not that charismatic, and the game already runs like ass, can't imagine what it would be like while recording it.

There are many guys with zero charisma and they have like thousands views...
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papercup
11/12/18 10:05:32 AM
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I'll get back to FFXV today. Been busy with FFXIV stuff.

BTW, NA fanfest is in 4 days. The next XIV expansion will be announced. I'm guessing we'll get:
A 30 second teaser trailer
The title (Shadowbringers?)
The setting (Ilsabard? More specifically, Thavnair? Garlemald? We'll see! There have also been hints in the recent MSQ of Dalmasca so we might be getting some more of Othard. Which I'm okay with because I really like the Othard zones.)
New level cap is 80
Skill pruning + new skills
New 8-man raids (Personally, I think Jenova, or Seymour/Yu Yevon would be great raid villains, and they would both lend their games to a lot of good fights. Maybe we'll get confirmation of the next raid villain in 4.5)
New 24-man raids (I always thought Kefka's Tower would be a 24-man raid... but he's a boss in Stormblood's 8-man raids, so who knows what this will be.)
New Ultimate raids. (I think Kefka and the Warring Triad would make a perfect Ultimate raid)
Minor system changes/announcements. I'm guessing either a rework/expansion of the Role Action system, or it will be removed entirely. Please no Eureka 2 announcement.
Hints at new Job(s) (Blue Mage? Dancer? Gunblader? Something crazy like Arithmetician?)
Hints at new playable race (Viera yes please)

There were a series of leaks several months ago about 4.3 and 4.4, and pretty much everything they leaked turned out to be true. With the exception of getting Blue Mage mid-expac. So it's *possible* since dataminers have actually found Blue Mage and Blue Magic actions in the data files, we might be getting it in 4.5, or it could even be a pre-order bonus for 5.0. We'll see.
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Judgmenl
11/12/18 10:27:22 AM
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Two of the main reasons I dislike FFXIV so much are the GCD and how classes are so locked into the trinity, idk if it's changed since I played in 2014 but I would have liked certain classes to have multiple rules beyond the generic DPS/Heal/Tank thing these games always embrace.

Basically ruins the fun a class like BLU would provide to the game.
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papercup
11/12/18 10:38:25 AM
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Nah, it's still pretty rigidly Tank/DPS/Healer.

But I do share your concerns. I think BLU would be a cool tank concept, but everything we know about it (Or, ClassJob36 as it's known in the data files) suggest it's a caster DPS. And Dancer as a healer... I don't have the foggiest how that would work. Every healer in the game uses either hots or shields. I would love more variety, but it's possible XIV's code base doesn't allow for more variety. It was forked from XI's source code iirc, so they're basically hot gluing new things onto some very old code.

But there were some pretty big developments in the 4.4 story, that heavily imply a new calamity is coming VERY soon. So if that happens in 5.x, that would be the perfect opportunity to rework/revamp old systems.
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papercup
11/12/18 11:08:56 AM
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Oh, and the slow GCD. Eh, I'm fine with it. I do admit that at low levels it can be painfully slow. But once you have a complete 50/60/70 kit, it's fine. Especially classes like DRG, or DRK, where you're weaving in oGCDs between every single GCD, it feels perfectly fine.
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Judgmenl
11/12/18 11:19:33 AM
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Yea I avoid DPS in MMOs like the plague. Tank or Healer for me.

I played a WHM in 2.0 thought the end game was horrible and never went back for 3.0.
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papercup
11/12/18 11:20:56 AM
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Oh, so some more predictions/wish list items for 5.0

Removal of base classes. If there is a big system rework on the horizon, I can see the removal of classes happening, then when you start a new character you'll just go straight to Job. Now, how they'd actually incorporate this, I have no idea. Are they going to remove a bunch of low level quests? Are they going to rebalance a bunch of low level quests? Are you going to start at level 30? Who knows. But this is something they have talked about doing in the past. In addition to this, they NEED to do something about the 2.x story. It takes forever, and if you really want to play AST or DRK, or for some ungodly reason MCH you need to do ALL of it. Hopefully new 5.0 Jobs you just unlock at 50 like the SB Jobs.

Something I would love to see them do, but I doubt it's going to happen. I know Yoshi-P has praised Diablo III's Torment system before. If they could somehow implement a scaling difficulty system for dungeons and raids, that would be fantastic, and breath some much needed new life into some very old content. I don't know what the rewards in such a system would be. Hopefully they DON'T move towards more random stat Pink gear, but with the Eureka Pyros weapons being so RNG heavy... I wouldn't put it past them.
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papercup
11/12/18 11:24:26 AM
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Judgmenl posted...
Yea I avoid DPS in MMOs like the plague. Tank or Healer for me.

I played a WHM in 2.0 thought the end game was horrible and never went back for 3.0.


Yeah I'm a DPS main, recently made the jump to Tanking. I'm thinking I'm going to be a Tank main in 5.0 lol. I love DRG, but I'm kinda getting sick of it tbqh.
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papercup
11/12/18 5:17:09 PM
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Oh yeah, @Entity13 We farmed some Suzaku last night. Auric got the doggo. Edit: And I got my WAR axe :D
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Entity13
11/12/18 7:15:09 PM
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papercup posted...
Oh yeah, @Entity13 We farmed some Suzaku last night. Auric got the doggo. Edit: And I got my WAR axe :D


Actually FARMED? Well done, and grats to you two on your drops. *grumbles*
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papercup
11/12/18 7:21:18 PM
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Yeah, sorry. People seem to understand the fight now at least.
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Entity13
11/12/18 7:33:35 PM
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papercup posted...
Yeah, sorry. People seem to understand the fight now at least.


Well I'm glad, but this means I'll need help on Sch and Brd weapons when I get back next month.
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papercup
11/12/18 9:06:55 PM
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We'll get you what you need, don't worry.

Anyway, finally got back to XV. I'm understanding the battle system, and overall flow and loop of the game better now. The initial few hours and presentation, I'll be honest, were horrendously bad. Just awful. But now, 12 hours later, I'm actually enjoying myself. I wouldn't say it's a great FF, but it's not as bad as I was expecting it to be.

Also I went to a dungeon to slay a Gigantoad for the professor lady, and found a 400 power greatsword just lying on the ground. It's by far the strongest weapon I own right now lol. Well, outside of the zodiac or king weapons or whatever they're called. Also from that little excursion, and the exp from the quest itself, I gained like 5 levels lol.
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Nestama
11/12/18 9:07:19 PM
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ComradeSeraphim posted...
Just so you know, although it's an MMO, FFXI has added new features that make it possible to play most of the content completely solo now.

I'm kinda hoping certain bosses in the Adoulin and Rhapsodies story are a little easier to do with Trust NPC's. While its been a year or so, I'm still stuck on a boss in Adoulin, as well as the final boss of Rhapsodies (I was lucky to even get that far alone).

It's a shame, as I really like the Adoulin and Rhapsodies story.
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papercup
11/12/18 9:15:59 PM
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Hmm... maybe in the downtime between 4.55b or whatever the final patch is and 5.0 I could check out XI. Just a thought, we'll see how it goes.
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papercup
11/12/18 9:36:59 PM
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FFXV is getting some Miqo'te goodness and a Garuda fight

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OXsnYM0mhQ" data-time="


Presumably whatever FFXIV is getting from the crossover will be announced at fanfest.
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Entity13
11/12/18 10:29:33 PM
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papercup posted...
Hmm... maybe in the downtime between 4.55b or whatever the final patch is and 5.0 I could check out XI. Just a thought, we'll see how it goes.


There are two factors as to why I haven't gone back to XI upon doing my break from XIV:

1) Despite there being features present to made the game actually better than XIV's Eureka at its best, I still have such bad memories of playing it twelve years ago.
2) Part of my break from XIV means not paying money to SE, so they don't win not matter what I do. You know?

I lost my copy of XI ages ago, and have no interest in paying a sub on that game. lol
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Entity13
11/13/18 12:17:41 AM
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Anyways, now I'm back to work on the .hack//G.U. games that re-released on the PS4 about a year ago. Hopefully this time I finish it--I'm on volume 3 of the core trilogy, and then have the short volume 4 they tacked on--so I can finally update my guides.

<_<
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papercup
11/13/18 9:58:04 AM
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Ooh nice. I've never played any of the .hack// games, but I did watch a couple of the shows when I was younger.
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papercup
11/13/18 3:47:51 PM
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Got to level 50 in Pyros. So now all I need is to fight Penny a couple times, farm a few hundred more crystals, and then it's an endless light grind again. And that's just for 1 weapon. Nobody knows if the light grind is optional or required though until the next Eureka zone drops.

So the way it works, is once you complete the 385 step weapon, that's only the beginning. The "finished" weapon has 0 substats on it. What you do is fill 2 light crystals, take them to the forge, then you can roll a single line of stats, from 1 to 200. You keep doing that for a while, eventually you get 2 lines, 1 to 200. Then 3. Then 4 and finally 5 lines. And they can be anything. So a BRD can be stupidly lucky, and get 1000 crit on their weapon. Which, btw, it can have up to 1000 stats, which is like 400 more than Suzaku weapons. It's a horribly grindy system, and I hope they don't do this again. But, in some ways, it's actually totally worth grinding it out, since it has way more substats on it than you're going to get in raid weapons. And we have no idea if those stats will carry over to the 4.5 step or not.
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Entity13
11/13/18 4:37:20 PM
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Yeah, after seeing Diadem, the gear grind in WoW Warlords of Draenor, and hearing the current grind in WoW BFA, I suspected what I heard about the end-Pyros grind a month or so ago would have turned out unpopular as all get out. It's one of those things that falls into oversight or foresight, of which SE has been severely lacking. <_<
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Entity13
11/13/18 5:26:47 PM
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*Sees free log-in campaign*

*Sees stipulation in which her account needed to be inactive for at least 30 days before being able to take advantage of this*

*Campaign goes from today to the start of December 23*

Huh... I guess, if I plan this right, I can get 34 days out of one month's sub starting next month. If I plan this right then I can do some combination of running an extra Map Night or getting an extra clear of o9s, or getting another week's worth of Genesis tomes so I can get done with my tome gear faster on tanks and Brd.

We shall see.
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papercup
11/13/18 6:38:21 PM
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lol nice.

Anyway, XV, unlocked rank 3 hunts. So, I still haven't gone to meet Glad's sister in Lestallum. So, I'm thinking what I'm going to do is do as much side stuff as I can now, accumulate buttloads of exp, then go rest in the resort and see how far that gets me.
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Entity13
11/13/18 7:59:09 PM
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papercup posted...
lol nice.

Anyway, XV, unlocked rank 3 hunts. So, I still haven't gone to meet Glad's sister in Lestallum. So, I'm thinking what I'm going to do is do as much side stuff as I can now, accumulate buttloads of exp, then go rest in the resort and see how far that gets me.


That's close to what I did. Don't forget about things like multipliers from using magic, especially if you mixed that magic with the right number of the right coins. Also, be on the lookout for Cactuars, as rare as they are. That's where the real experience is.
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Entity13
11/13/18 10:28:39 PM
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And now: random Ignis jokes...

During the XIV/XV crossover, I hope we crafters get to come up with NEW RECIPEHS!

If Ignis were a seer, how often would he say "That's it! I've come up with a new propheceh."
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MechaKirby
11/13/18 10:31:29 PM
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Ignis shoulda got his own game
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