Board 8 > Mega Man X shouldn't be in these contests

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Moonroof
11/03/18 8:46:45 AM
#1:


I understand that hes not the same as Mega Man and is (slightly) weaker, but hes similar enough and it sort of takes away from our enjoyment of ranking non-N9 characters.
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Nanis23
11/03/18 8:48:15 AM
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Yeah and Pichu shouldn't be in Smash because Pikachu is there
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ZeldaTPLink
11/03/18 8:48:18 AM
#3:


Moonroof posted...
I understand that hes not the same as Mega Man and is (slightly) weaker, but hes similar enough and it sort of takes away from our enjoyment of ranking non-N9 characters.


I disagree, I enjoy ranking MMX more than half the fodder in this bracket.
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Nanis23
11/03/18 8:48:31 AM
#4:


Also Luigi shouldn't be in those contests because Mario is in
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Moonroof
11/03/18 8:50:28 AM
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Are they even different people? Or is X just some souped-up version of Mega Man, like Samus when she has all her end-game gear?
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ZeldaTPLink
11/03/18 8:51:06 AM
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Moonroof posted...
Are they even different people? Or is X just some souped-up version of Mega Man, like Samus when she has all her end-game gear?


Yes they are different people.
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hylianknight3
11/03/18 8:51:55 AM
#7:


Actually, Mega Man Volnutt should be in this contest as well.
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Moonroof
11/03/18 8:52:32 AM
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Can you explain the differences?
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Moonroof
11/03/18 8:56:54 AM
#10:


Are people this ignorant or are they just trying to be slick?

The FE cast features clearly different characters. They have easily-identifiable differences in designs, completely different names, different personalities, different techniques, etc. Same goes for Mario and Luigi.

But MM and MMX? Most people who are familiar with video games but not the MM series would call MMX, MM. Im doing it right now.
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ZeldaTPLink
11/03/18 8:57:43 AM
#11:


Moonroof posted...
Can you explain the differences?


Haven't played it but iirc the story is that Light and Wily spent their lives making stronger robots to outdo each other and X and Zero were their ultimate creations but they both died before the two robots were used.

Then centuries passed and people digged the robots and turned them on, so they teamed up to fight the new bad guys.
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Moonroof
11/03/18 8:58:26 AM
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It honestly seem like the only difference is MMX has a more defined design, and Im assuming a slightly different personality?
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Moonroof
11/03/18 8:59:18 AM
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
Moonroof posted...
Can you explain the differences?


Haven't played it but iirc the story is that Light and Wily spent their lives making stronger robots to outdo each other and X and Zero were their ultimate creations but they both died before the two robots were used.

Then centuries passed and people digged the robots and turned them on, so they teamed up to fight the new bad guys.


So Light used MM as a skeleton to create X, and simply have X a few more skills? That it?
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ZeldaTPLink
11/03/18 8:59:43 AM
#15:


Moonroof posted...
Are people this ignorant or are they just trying to be slick?


I mean you are being this ignorant about MMX right now. You could have answered your questions by googling them, but instead you picked the option that lets you be an edgelord.
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Moonroof
11/03/18 9:00:35 AM
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MM and MMX are akin to 13-year olds and then that 13-year old turns 27 eventually. Why should they be treated as different people?
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DeepsPraw
11/03/18 9:00:44 AM
#17:


If you're gonna allow multiple Mega Mans, you should also allow multiple Links

Wind Waker Link and TP Link are way more different than MM and MMX
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ZeldaTPLink
11/03/18 9:00:49 AM
#18:


Moonroof posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Moonroof posted...
Can you explain the differences?


Haven't played it but iirc the story is that Light and Wily spent their lives making stronger robots to outdo each other and X and Zero were their ultimate creations but they both died before the two robots were used.

Then centuries passed and people digged the robots and turned them on, so they teamed up to fight the new bad guys.


So Light used MM as a skeleton to create X, and simply have X a few more skills? That it?


They are different individuals though. This is a series about sentient robots
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Moonroof
11/03/18 9:01:30 AM
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
Moonroof posted...
Are people this ignorant or are they just trying to be slick?


I mean you are being this ignorant about MMX right now. You could have answered your questions by googling them, but instead you picked the option that lets you be an edgelord.


No. I tried googling it but A) was given results mostly talking about the game differences, since both characters are named after their games, and B) what little detail I found was inconclusive.
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Moonroof
11/03/18 9:01:56 AM
#20:


DeepsPraw posted...
If you're gonna allow multiple Mega Mans, you should also allow multiple Links

Wind Waker Link and TP Link are way more different than MM and MMX


This is my point exactly. None of them should be allowed.
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ZeldaTPLink
11/03/18 9:02:32 AM
#21:


Moonroof posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Moonroof posted...
Are people this ignorant or are they just trying to be slick?


I mean you are being this ignorant about MMX right now. You could have answered your questions by googling them, but instead you picked the option that lets you be an edgelord.


No. I tried googling it but A) was given results mostly talking about the game differences, since both characters are named after their games, and B) what little detail I found was inconclusive.


Well sucks for you then. I got the entire story after reading X's biography for 30 seconds.
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Moonroof
11/03/18 9:03:05 AM
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
Moonroof posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Moonroof posted...
Can you explain the differences?


Haven't played it but iirc the story is that Light and Wily spent their lives making stronger robots to outdo each other and X and Zero were their ultimate creations but they both died before the two robots were used.

Then centuries passed and people digged the robots and turned them on, so they teamed up to fight the new bad guys.


So Light used MM as a skeleton to create X, and simply have X a few more skills? That it?


They are different individuals though. This is a series about sentient robots


So they have different personalities and thats really it? Same base skeleton and design?
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LinkMarioSamus
11/03/18 9:03:25 AM
#23:


Moonroof posted...
But MM and MMX? Most people who are familiar with video games but not the MM series would call MMX, MM. Im doing it right now.


Until 2008 MMX was barred from character battles for that very reason. Then the site's new administrator realized that Mega Man fans do *not* see Mega Man and MMX as the same character (see: Mega Man vs. Zero in 2004) and decided to throw them a bone.

And keep in mind that Mega Man barely ever got any X pictures earlier, making it clear that "Mega Man" meant Mega Man Classic.
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ZeldaTPLink
11/03/18 9:04:10 AM
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Moonroof posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Moonroof posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Moonroof posted...
Can you explain the differences?


Haven't played it but iirc the story is that Light and Wily spent their lives making stronger robots to outdo each other and X and Zero were their ultimate creations but they both died before the two robots were used.

Then centuries passed and people digged the robots and turned them on, so they teamed up to fight the new bad guys.


So Light used MM as a skeleton to create X, and simply have X a few more skills? That it?


They are different individuals though. This is a series about sentient robots


So they have different personalities and thats really it? Same base skeleton and design?


I mean if that's where you're going then Wario and Waluigi are the same character.

They are not.
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hylianknight3
11/03/18 9:04:23 AM
#25:


*takes a deep breath*

YOURE TEARING ME APART, TC
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ZeldaTPLink
11/03/18 9:05:23 AM
#26:


And I have no idea if they have the same skeleton I don't know the details.

I guess for you if they share a nut or a bolt they are the same person? Because this suddenly turned into a philosophycal debate about if robots are people.
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Moonroof
11/03/18 9:05:47 AM
#27:


LinkMarioSamus posted...
Moonroof posted...
But MM and MMX? Most people who are familiar with video games but not the MM series would call MMX, MM. Im doing it right now.


Until 2008 MMX was barred from character battles for that very reason. Then the site's new administrator realized that Mega Man fans do *not* see Mega Man and MMX as the same character (see: Mega Man vs. Zero in 2004) and decided to throw them a bone.

And keep in mind that Mega Man barely ever got any X pictures earlier, making it clear that "Mega Man" meant Mega Man Classic.


So MMXs inclusion was to appease MM fans? That is a small section of the people who participate in these contests. The problem now is that non-MM fans are thinking MMX is MM and vice-versa which taints the contest.
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ZeldaTPLink
11/03/18 9:06:52 AM
#28:


Moonroof posted...

So MMXs inclusion was to appease MM fans?


I mean if appeasing fans is a bad thing you might as well stop doing contests forever.
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LinkMarioSamus
11/03/18 9:08:05 AM
#29:


Moonroof posted...
LinkMarioSamus posted...
Moonroof posted...
But MM and MMX? Most people who are familiar with video games but not the MM series would call MMX, MM. Im doing it right now.


Until 2008 MMX was barred from character battles for that very reason. Then the site's new administrator realized that Mega Man fans do *not* see Mega Man and MMX as the same character (see: Mega Man vs. Zero in 2004) and decided to throw them a bone.

And keep in mind that Mega Man barely ever got any X pictures earlier, making it clear that "Mega Man" meant Mega Man Classic.


So MMXs inclusion was to appease MM fans? That is a small section of the people who participate in these contests. The problem now is that non-MM fans are thinking MMX is MM and vice-versa which taints the contest.


Except we are on a site that caters to hardcore gamers, especially of the old-school variety. In other words, the people who would understand that Mega Man and Mega Man X are NOT the same character.
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Moonroof
11/03/18 9:08:05 AM
#30:


ZeldaTPLink posted...
Moonroof posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Moonroof posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
Moonroof posted...
Can you explain the differences?


Haven't played it but iirc the story is that Light and Wily spent their lives making stronger robots to outdo each other and X and Zero were their ultimate creations but they both died before the two robots were used.

Then centuries passed and people digged the robots and turned them on, so they teamed up to fight the new bad guys.


So Light used MM as a skeleton to create X, and simply have X a few more skills? That it?


They are different individuals though. This is a series about sentient robots


So they have different personalities and thats really it? Same base skeleton and design?


I mean if that's where you're going then Wario and Waluigi are the same character.

They are not.


Do you actually believe what Im saying is the same as calling Wario and Waluigi the same? Not to sound sarcastic, but i point out the differences. Wario and Waluigi look very different and its easy to tell who is whom. They have different roles in their games. Their names arent derivative of each others.
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Tom Bombadil
11/03/18 9:08:33 AM
#31:


Moonroof posted...
That is a small section of the people who participate in these contests.


Leaving aside the rest of the topic, there are enough MM fans here that he's in the noble nine, so uh
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Tom Bombadil
11/03/18 9:09:07 AM
#32:


Moonroof posted...
Their names arent derivative of each others.


I've got some bad news for you
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LinkMarioSamus
11/03/18 9:09:51 AM
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By this logic Big Boss shouldn't be in the contest because he's the same as Solid Snake right?
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Moonroof
11/03/18 9:10:15 AM
#34:


I see what youre saying, I guess I just disagree with it is all.

It would be nice to see, in this brackets case, Luigi go against a N9er or a character who isnt derivative of one.
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ZeldaTPLink
11/03/18 9:11:12 AM
#35:


Or Shadow because he's the same as Sonic.
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LinkMarioSamus
11/03/18 9:11:46 AM
#36:


Except if you look across gaming, many MANY characters are derivative of other characters. So that just is not fair.
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ZeldaTPLink
11/03/18 9:11:53 AM
#37:


Moonroof posted...
I see what youre saying, I guess I just disagree with it is all.

It would be nice to see, in this brackets case, Luigi go against a N9er or a character who isnt derivative of one.


I disagree, gauging MMX's strength is one of the most interesting questions in this contest.
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Moonroof
11/03/18 9:12:00 AM
#38:


All these failing attempts to say by this logic, character X is the same as character Y are tired. Refer back to post 10
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Tom Bombadil
11/03/18 9:12:30 AM
#39:


but Sonic's not even good enough to be Shadow's
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LinkMarioSamus
11/03/18 9:13:05 AM
#40:


Okay here's a simple thing: most of the people this site caters to know full well that Mega Man and Mega Man X are not the same character. There.
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MettanAtem
11/03/18 9:13:21 AM
#41:


Tom Bombadil posted...
but Sonic's not even good enough to be Shadow's

He'll make you eat those words!
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Moonroof
11/03/18 9:13:34 AM
#42:


It seems like MMX can be viewed as taking a N9er and nerfing him 10% and letting him wreak havoc in the bracket.
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ZeldaTPLink
11/03/18 9:14:29 AM
#43:


Moonroof posted...
All these failing attempts to say by this logic, character X is the same as character Y are tired. Refer back to post 10


I mean the fact you are ignorant about one series and not the other doesn't say anything except about your ignorance.

Someone who knows nothing about MGS could easily think Snake and Big Boss are the same guy.
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Tom Bombadil
11/03/18 9:15:02 AM
#44:


Moonroof posted...
It seems like MMX can be viewed as taking a N9er and nerfing him 10% and letting him wreak havoc in the bracket.


so like Luigi or Big Boss or Dark Samus or Shadow then?

edit: or zack
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Tom Bombadil
11/03/18 9:15:32 AM
#45:


ZeldaTPLink posted...
Someone who knows nothing about MGS could easily think Snake and Big Boss are the same guy.


I've watched LPs of MGS 1-3 and am still kinda confused on who is who >_>
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scaryice
11/03/18 9:17:09 AM
#46:


I'm a big Mega Man fan, but I always vote against X because it's lame to count him as a different character.
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Moonroof
11/03/18 9:17:54 AM
#47:


Heres what was stated, per this topic:
- Same person created MM and MMX
- MMX has more abilities
- MMX has a different personality? Maybe?

Insufficient evidence to warrant separate entrants by my meaningless opinion. Hopefull SB seed his and decides to do the right thing moving forward.
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ZeldaTPLink
11/03/18 9:19:52 AM
#48:


Moonroof posted...
Heres what was stated, per this topic:
- Same person created MM and MMX
- MMX has more abilities
- MMX has a different personality? Maybe?

Insufficient evidence to warrant separate entrants by my meaningless opinion. Hopefull SB seed his and decides to do the right thing moving forward.


He's a different person.

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LinkMarioSamus
11/03/18 9:20:44 AM
#49:


Also to be fair we've had inanimate objects serve as entrants in these contests. Why does this bother you so much in that case?

This is just a fun little exercise being run on a single corner of the interwebs. Not some serious competition to determine WHO IS THE BEST CHARACTER.
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Moonroof
11/03/18 9:21:54 AM
#50:


Tom Bombadil posted...
Moonroof posted...
It seems like MMX can be viewed as taking a N9er and nerfing him 10% and letting him wreak havoc in the bracket.


so like Luigi or Big Boss or Dark Samus or Shadow then?

edit: or zack


Mario is the lead character in his games. Protects Peach, murks Bowser, etc. Hes short, fat, and red. Luigi is the sidekick. He fights ghosts. Hes tall, slender, and green. These two are easily seen as different.

SS and BB, I cant own you with these two as I havent played the games. But even I can assert massive personality and intent differences between these two. Rivals?

Sonic and Shadow. Really?
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