Board 8 > * 2018 CBX Guru Contest - Results, Discussions and Eliminations, Part One *

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nkansas13
10/29/18 3:05:16 PM
#52:


My bracket should have Knuckles>Zidane, but everything else looks good.
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Oxbridge
10/29/18 3:10:05 PM
#53:


My bracket has Simon > Ryu H, the rest of it looks fine
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NowItsAngeTime
10/29/18 5:07:31 PM
#54:


nkansas13 posted...
My bracket should have Knuckles>Zidane, but everything else looks good.


fixed

Oxbridge posted...
My bracket has Simon > Ryu H, the rest of it looks fine


fixed
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ZeldaTPLink
10/30/18 9:38:18 PM
#55:


Oh I finally understood the pick percentages, it's not like they are above 100%, it's that it's too numbers, the absolute number of picks and the percentage.

The way it's written it looks like a single number.
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Ngamer64
10/31/18 6:43:28 AM
#56:


Congrats to our 32 brilliant Tails Believers!

Ange
Ranticoot
TRE
Ulti
theawesomestevr
MarioSuperstar
swirldude
Lord Bob Bree
Xeybozn
GaryOak
AxemRedRanger
Glenn_and_Toad
NicktheRPGLord
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Advokaiser
BlackTurtle
voltch
Cloyenne
SuperNiceDog
Hbthebattle
haloiscoolisbak
SirBinro
greengravy
Anagram
MMXcalibur
Wizardsfan
chocoboslayer
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hombad
jcgamer


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AxemRedRanger
10/31/18 10:10:57 AM
#57:


The real believers have him winning twice!
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Advokaiser
10/31/18 10:33:51 AM
#58:


It wasn't really that hard to believe in Tails after seeing this:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6124-best-game-ever-day-19-round-2-sonic-the-hedgehog-2-vs

...Which is too bad because I think Drake is pretty cool.
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hombad46
10/31/18 10:54:43 AM
#59:


My bracket seems to be correct. After looking at the rallyfear other people have succumbed to, I'm not feeling as bad about succumbing to KH3fear
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Leonhart4
10/31/18 10:58:07 AM
#60:


Advokaiser posted...
It wasn't really that hard to believe in Tails after seeing this:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6124-best-game-ever-day-19-round-2-sonic-the-hedgehog-2-vs

...Which is too bad because I think Drake is pretty cool.


that match was effected by Undertale spillover

I mean Sonic 2 was going to win anyway but not by THAT much
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Advokaiser
10/31/18 11:19:45 AM
#61:


Leonhart4 posted...
Advokaiser posted...
It wasn't really that hard to believe in Tails after seeing this:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/6124-best-game-ever-day-19-round-2-sonic-the-hedgehog-2-vs

...Which is too bad because I think Drake is pretty cool.


that match was effected by Undertale spillover

I mean Sonic 2 was going to win anyway but not by THAT much


Even so, 2015 had 90's games' boost, so naturally it could have boosted their respective characters as well.

Sonic 2 was the only Sonic game in the contest so I figured Tails would have also be remembered as Sonic's beloved little partner.
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LeonhartFour
10/31/18 11:43:44 AM
#62:


Sonic 2 was the only Sonic game in the contest due to SBAllen ripping off S3&K yet again.
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Advokaiser
10/31/18 11:58:10 AM
#63:


LeonhartFour posted...
Sonic 2 was the only Sonic game in the contest due to SBAllen ripping off S3&K yet again.


Yet again? Well, raytan apparently asked for it when he won the Guru but it probably went unnoticed by many people (I never actually knew he asked for it until the bracket was already made). I don't know about years prior, though.
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LeonhartFour
10/31/18 11:59:52 AM
#64:


SBAllen said S3&K was the game that got the most noms that didn't make the bracket because of his stipulation (that he told to literally no one) about how review scores would be taken into account, and we used the Steam port of S3&K in nominations. The Guru nom never "goes unnoticed."

We tried to get SBAllen to replace Sonic 3 with S3&K in 2009 and he shut it down in literally seconds.
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FlyingForever
10/31/18 12:33:17 PM
#65:


LeonhartFour posted...
SBAllen said S3&K was the game that got the most noms that didn't make the bracket because of his stipulation (that he told to literally no one) about how review scores would be taken into account, and we used the Steam port of S3&K in nominations. The Guru nom never "goes unnoticed."

We tried to get SBAllen to replace Sonic 3 with S3&K in 2009 and he shut it down in literally seconds.


Why the hate for s3&k
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charmander6000
10/31/18 2:29:24 PM
#66:


Because the game didn't technically exist until that PC release.

Or you could argue that it was like a DLC/expansion pack.
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LordoftheMorons
10/31/18 2:33:57 PM
#67:


I also heavily suspect that Drake is more loved by Uncharted fans than Tails is by Sonic fans
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LeonhartFour
10/31/18 2:41:00 PM
#68:


I mean the game clearly existed because you could play it and it was a different experience than either game individually
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HaRRicH
10/31/18 6:57:24 PM
#69:


The ultimate flaw with nominating Sonic 3 & Knuckles was that we didn't select the better game Sonic & Knuckles.
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LeonhartFour
10/31/18 6:58:26 PM
#70:


HaRRicH posted...
The ultimate flaw with nominating Sonic 3 & Knuckles was that we didn't select the better game Sonic & Knuckles.


get out
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hylianknight3
10/31/18 6:59:46 PM
#71:


Not accepting Mario and Sonic as a rivalry was also extremely ridiculous.
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LeonhartFour
10/31/18 7:01:22 PM
#72:


hylianknight3 posted...
Not accepting Mario and Sonic as a rivalry was also extremely ridiculous.


It's not even just this. It's that he implied that Mario/Sonic wasn't allowed, and then came out after noms closed and said they were allowed but they didn't get enough noms.

well duh man
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pjbasis
10/31/18 7:01:33 PM
#73:


It was clearly meant for canonical rivalries not meta ones.

Might as well throw in Link vs Cloud then
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pjbasis
10/31/18 7:02:10 PM
#74:


LeonhartFour posted...
and then came out after noms closed and said they were allowed but they didn't get enough noms.


Well that's dumb though
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hylianknight3
10/31/18 7:07:00 PM
#75:


Mario and Sonic was given official legitimacy in actual video games though. Let me know when they release Link and Cloud at the Olympic Games.
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Team Rocket Elite
10/31/18 7:10:30 PM
#76:


https://www.smashbros.com/wiiu-3ds/us/images/character/cloud/illust.jpg
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Advokaiser
10/31/18 7:18:24 PM
#77:


Team Rocket Elite posted...
https://www.smashbros.com/wiiu-3ds/us/images/character/cloud/illust.jpg


But are they at the Olympic Games, tho?
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LusterSoldier
10/31/18 7:21:23 PM
#78:


HaRRicH posted...
The ultimate flaw with nominating Sonic 3 & Knuckles was that we didn't select the better game Sonic & Knuckles.


I'm guessing Allen didn't allow Sonic 3 & Knuckles back in 2009 because it wasn't listed as a specific game in the database (only Sonic & Knuckles was in the database at the time).

Well, this has since been changed because there's a PC game on Steam called Sonic 3 & Knuckles, so that's now in the GameFAQs database.
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NowItsAngeTime
10/31/18 7:34:19 PM
#79:


LusterSoldier posted...
Well, this has since been changed because there's a PC game on Steam called Sonic 3 & Knuckles, so that's now in the GameFAQs database.


But the PC version doesnt have any critic scores
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HaRRicH
10/31/18 7:35:35 PM
#80:


I'm okay with Mario/Sonic being left out of the contest under the assumption that Mario/Bowser and Sonic/Robotnik were nominated more, but Mario/Sonic absolutely should have faced Link/Ganon in a bonus match.

Also, supporting Leonhart here: when is Mario finally going to face Sonic in a Character Battle?
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LusterSoldier
10/31/18 7:37:35 PM
#81:


NowItsAngeTime posted...
But the PC version doesnt have any critic scores


Sure, but neither did Mario 1, which also missed the cut for the same reason. It's not Mario 1's fault that the game is so old that it predates the existence of critic reviews.
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NowItsAngeTime
10/31/18 7:39:32 PM
#82:


LusterSoldier posted...
NowItsAngeTime posted...
But the PC version doesnt have any critic scores


Sure, but neither did Mario 1, which also missed the cut for the same reason. It's not Mario 1's fault that the game is so old that it predates the existence of critic reviews.


my argument is that even if Sonic 3 & Knuckles PC is on GameFAQs DB, it's still not getting in a future Games contest unless Allen decides to not do the Metacritic/Personal Opinion thing again
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LeonhartFour
10/31/18 10:17:01 PM
#83:


HaRRicH posted...
I'm okay with Mario/Sonic being left out of the contest under the assumption that Mario/Bowser and Sonic/Robotnik were nominated more


Well of course they were

SBAllen strongly implied they weren't allowed and further implied it by never adding them to the database. He's probably not lying about Mario/Sonic not getting enough noms, but he clearly biased the nomination pool.
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Ngamer64
10/31/18 10:48:25 PM
#84:


This is ultimately still Too Close To Call but I'm going to give these people credit regardless, because clearly it was a good upset to shoot for.

Congrats to our 31 brilliant Dedede Believers!
PrinceKaro
Wibo
foolmo
Lord Bob Bree
MikeTavish
Natwaf_akidna
DpObliVion
SgtSphynx
NFUN
Lopen
MoogleKupo
cyko
tazzyboyishere
TsunamiXXVIII
Tirofog
NateInDisney
RockMFR
raytan
ChichiriMuyo
voltch
Polycosm
Hbthebattle
Ytterbicide
paulg
Wizardsfan
RoseChevalier
DomaDragoon
Arti
Lightning Strikes
hombad
jcgamer


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Wreath
11/01/18 9:48:08 AM
#85:


Ngamer64 posted...
This is ultimately still Too Close To Call but I'm going to give these people credit regardless, because clearly it was a good upset to shoot for.

Congrats to our 31 brilliant Dedede Believers!
PrinceKaro
Wibo
foolmo
Lord Bob Bree
MikeTavish
Natwaf_akidna
DpObliVion
SgtSphynx
NFUN
Lopen
MoogleKupo
cyko
tazzyboyishere
TsunamiXXVIII
Tirofog
NateInDisney
RockMFR
raytan
ChichiriMuyo
voltch
Polycosm
Hbthebattle
Ytterbicide
paulg
Wizardsfan
RoseChevalier
DomaDragoon
Arti
Lightning Strikes
hombad
jcgamer



Congrats on what tho the match isnt over?
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LeonhartFour
11/01/18 12:53:31 PM
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FlyingForever
11/01/18 1:17:43 PM
#87:


LeonhartFour posted...
congrats for not making a completely dumb pick


Wait so a pick is either correct or wrong... why congrats for picking a loser again?

What wrong pick isnt dumb?
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Advokaiser
11/01/18 6:00:25 PM
#88:


FlyingForever posted...
What wrong pick isnt dumb?


An unpredictable one.

Or when a rally is involved.
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Ngamer64
11/01/18 7:46:26 PM
#89:


Shesh some people have never heard of a Moral Victory!

Okay we don't have many corrections flying in anymore so I'm going to pull a full .csv file of all brackets and send it out to our Eliminations People later tonight. Last year that was

Shadow
the transster

Does anyone else want to try their hand at generating Eliminations this season?


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jcgamer107
11/01/18 9:13:50 PM
#90:


lol Draven's being downvoted into oblivion
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FlyingForever
11/01/18 10:34:03 PM
#91:


jcgamer107 posted...
lol Draven's being downvoted into oblivion


I wonder how many poor soles picked him
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LeonhartFour
11/01/18 10:34:31 PM
#92:


FlyingForever posted...
jcgamer107 posted...
lol Draven's being downvoted into oblivion


I wonder how many poor soles picked him


that would've been their Achilles heel
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FlyingForever
11/01/18 10:38:44 PM
#93:


LeonhartFour posted...
FlyingForever posted...
jcgamer107 posted...
lol Draven's being downvoted into oblivion


I wonder how many poor soles picked him


that would've been their Achilles heel


That's the joke.jpg

Well its deeper than that but
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_SecretSquirrel
11/01/18 10:40:33 PM
#94:


LeonhartFour posted...
FlyingForever posted...
jcgamer107 posted...
lol Draven's being downvoted into oblivion


I wonder how many poor soles picked him


that would've been their Achilles heel

I think you should all shoe away from puns.
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LeonhartFour
11/01/18 10:42:09 PM
#95:


should we really be trying to string together shoe puns like this?
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_SecretSquirrel
11/01/18 10:43:12 PM
#96:


LeonhartFour posted...
should we really be trying to string together shoe puns like this?

What do you expect me to do? Toe the line?
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LeonhartFour
11/01/18 10:44:31 PM
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Haste_2
11/01/18 10:47:11 PM
#98:


I can't think of a good shoe pun.... "shoes" me.
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Polycosm
11/02/18 12:01:26 AM
#99:


LeonhartFour posted...
congrats for not making a completely dumb pick

You must not have seen the rest of my bracket, lol
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Ngamer64
11/02/18 5:13:08 AM
#100:


Okay I've mailed out the official copy of all this year's brackets.

@scaryice
@MetalmindStats

Looked like you dudes might be interested in elims as well? Send a message to ngamer at the electronic mail service of google and I'll shoot over another couple copies.


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NewerShadow
11/02/18 12:27:31 PM
#101:


Brackets received, let's take a look at some eliminations and similarities.

scaryice posted...
If Aerith beats Waluigi, then princeton_boy eliminates demphra. The winner of that match going to R3 is the only difference in their brackets.

Confirming this, demphra should be eliminated.

Here's my program's output for similar brackets (I'm assuming the current winners all hold):
https://pastebin.com/raw/SherKxa9

Terms I'm using:
-Total difference is the point value of all matches with differing winners between the two brackets.
-Deficit is how far the first player is from the similar bracket (negative numbers mean you are ahead).
-Possible gain is the point value of the differences where your pick hasn't already been eliminated - how much you can catch up
What I'm calling "elimination cushion" this year is the number of possible points that you can lose (or they can gain on you) before you no longer have a chance to pass the other player. ([possible gain] - [deficit]). If it goes negative, you're eliminated, since you have no hope to pass the other player.

As a refresher, the maximum score this year is 700.

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