Poll of the Day > Calling out to car experts on here. Thinking of buying this.

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wolfy42
10/17/18 11:37:16 PM
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Hi everyone. I have some friends i'm gonna run this by as well, but it doesn't hurt to ask on here as well. I'm thinking of buying this car for my travels. I already own a Saturn but sleeping in the back of it would be uncomfortable. This is cheap, not too many miles on it, and has enough space for me to sleep in the back easy (the seats fold down).

Any car experts have any advice or see anything I'm missing on this? Going to see the car tomorrow. It's priced about exactly what is recomended on kelly blue book (I checked). It's also only 2wd not 4wd like the ad says.

Got an appointment to see it tomorrow at 2:30.

https://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/cto/6722708837.html
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green dragon
10/17/18 11:38:58 PM
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Make sure it has fresh headlight fluid
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wolfy42
10/17/18 11:42:37 PM
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lol at headlight fluid.

I am going to have it inspected before buying it, since before going on a trip, i would have it inspected anyway....so might as well do it before buying it.

Also hoping they already have a vehicle report on it...they provided the vin #....but don't wanna pay for one myself if they already have it.
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WhiskeyDisk
10/18/18 1:36:24 AM
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Santa Fes tend to have a recurring problem with the throttle boddies and the pressure plate for some reason. Make damn sure you have a qualified mechanic take a good look at the transmission. Any dipshit can go to AutoZone and pump 30 bucks worth of shit into a dying vehicle to make it sound good long enough to sell a lemon.
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xjayguyx
10/18/18 1:48:00 AM
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Junk.

Your Saturn is junk too.

Buy Japanese. Get a old CRV or something.
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xjayguyx
10/18/18 1:48:20 AM
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Also buy a manual no Auto.
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xjayguyx
10/18/18 1:49:01 AM
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Toyota Rav 4 also good.
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Dakooder
10/18/18 1:51:20 AM
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Yeah dude, I'd stay away from older Hyundais. Try and find a Pilot, Highlander or 4Runner if you want something to sleep in and not break down all the time.
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xjayguyx
10/18/18 1:57:18 AM
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Dakooder posted...
Yeah dude, I'd stay away from older Hyundais. Try and find a Pilot, Highlander or 4Runner if you want something to sleep in and not break down all the time.


Agreed.

That Hyundais tranny will fail. Garbage.
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WhiskeyDisk
10/18/18 1:58:58 AM
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Pretty sure the problem with the Santa Fe is that both the throttle body and the pressure plate are just too close to the exhaust manifold and the heat warps them in any model that is driven as more than a grocery getter.

I'm not a professional mechanic or anything, but in 6 years I've helped a friend replace either the throttle body or the pressure plate on his 2013 3 times, and he's got a 45 mile commute to and from work each day in mixed traffic conditions.
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wolfy42
10/18/18 2:00:26 AM
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Oh blah:(

Did my research on a ford something star, as well...and saw that it broke down all the time. Didn't see that in the reviews for the hyundais though.

Every time I find an option that isn't mega expensive.....it looks bad. I might just do this one anyway though and just keep my current car as backup. At least do some short trips with it now, and then trade it in later towards a better one for long trips. The price is certainly low enough...only takes a few trips (of 2 or more days) to pay for it in saving money for hotels.

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xjayguyx
10/18/18 2:02:01 AM
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Look up mid 2000's ford escapes.
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xjayguyx
10/18/18 2:03:41 AM
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When and it will, the Hyundais tranny fails it will cost more than your paying for the vehicle to replace.
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wolfy42
10/18/18 2:08:43 AM
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Grr checked out those options but they are all 20k or up (least around here).

Whole point of getting something like this is to save money on staying at hotels.

It would take a VERY long time to spend 20k on hotel rooms lol....especially if I do AB&B instead etc, sleep in a tent sometimes when available etc.

I don't really want to spend more then 5k, but could go up to 10k if it was a good deal and had high resell value. Certainly not 20k though (That is enough money to stay at AB&B's and hotels for a year pretty much).

I can probably make my current car work in a pinch, just really want something with a bit more room etc, along with a good power generator, my laptop, and if it's large enough i'll bring a tv and my ps4 as well (hehe...i mean, I'll have the generator I might as well!!).

I understand you get what you pay for, but there has to be some vehicles out there that will work for me under 10k!!
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wolfy42
10/18/18 2:09:20 AM
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xjayguyx posted...
Look up mid 2000's ford escapes.


Ok I'll check those out, though i heard bad things about fords in general (Fix or repair daily is the polite version).
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WhiskeyDisk
10/18/18 2:10:07 AM
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Maybe look into a used Subaru or even a Scion for a decent, inexpensive option for a road trip beater, just avoid the 2016-17 subarus because of an uncharacteristic drivetrain issue from those years.

The Scions may be a Frankenstein of a vehicle, but parts are readilly available for literally any model.
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xjayguyx
10/18/18 2:11:55 AM
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wolfy42 posted...
xjayguyx posted...
Look up mid 2000's ford escapes.


Ok I'll check those out, though i heard bad things about fords in general (Fix or repair daily is the polite version).


The mid 2000 escapes are 10 times better than the Hyundai.
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xjayguyx
10/18/18 2:12:16 AM
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wolfy42 posted...
xjayguyx posted...
Look up mid 2000's ford escapes.


Ok I'll check those out, though i heard bad things about fords in general (Fix or repair daily is the polite version).


Ford also cheaper to fix over Korean vehicles
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wolfy42
10/18/18 2:12:47 AM
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Sweet, thanks guys, the ford escapde (looked up 2010) is right in the 5-6k range which is perfect. Gonna do more research on it, then check out the subaru and scion.

I have literally no knowledge of cars at all (didn't even know I had a saturn and I bought it 2 years ago...well traded in my BMW for it)...never really cared as it was all local driving pretty much, and fairly new cars when I bought them. Had tripple A for 20+ years and never used it (gonna get it again before going on my trips:)

You rock!:)
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xjayguyx
10/18/18 2:16:43 AM
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wolfy42 posted...
Sweet, thanks guys, the ford escapde (looked up 2010) is right in the 5-6k range which is perfect. Gonna do more research on it, then check out the subaru and scion.

I have literally no knowledge of cars at all (didn't even know I had a saturn and I bought it 2 years ago...well traded in my BMW for it)...never really cared as it was all local driving pretty much, and fairly new cars when I bought them. Had tripple A for 20+ years and never used it (gonna get it again before going on my trips:)

You rock!:)


BMW is a money pit and the Saturn is just overall poor quality. But the Saturn is overall better for a daily driver because cheaper to fix.

Ya look up 2005-2010 escapes, they are pretty decent, decent room and cheap to fix.

There is a Mazda that's the same thing, called a Tribute.
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WhiskeyDisk
10/18/18 2:23:07 AM
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On the one hand...trading a BMW for a Saturn... Jesus, lol.

On the other, BMWs tend to run great for the first 3 or 4 years and then self destruct...and the entire engine compartment is a damned minefield to work on.

Saturn's are shit boxes with Teflon gearboxes but FWIW I still see 98 SC1's on the road and it boggles my mind. Even if you blow the engine on one, the entire front end is held on by like 4 bolts and you can slap a 282 crate motor back into one in like 2 hours.
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wolfy42
10/18/18 2:26:25 AM
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My wife wanted the BMW (It was too small for me), I always drove our Toyota Avalon (which I loved till it was stolen about 6 months ago sigh). If I still had my avalon I woulda just slept in it tbh (it's so comfy).

The saturn I got in trade, and it has run well since I did. The BMW was expensive to maintain and high insurance so I traded it in to stop hemmeraging money for absolutely no reason (I didn't even like the car).

I'll check out the Mazda as wel. Found someone selling a 2008 escape but they want $7000 for it, and the average purchase price on kbb is only 4400. I emailed them asking why they are trying to get so much, are there special options on it or something. THey may just be greedy lol.

Least I have types of cars in my price range that will work to search for now, which is WAY better then where I was before (just randomly looking on cars on craigslist and going to car lots etc.
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wolfy42
10/18/18 2:29:39 AM
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I got a decent amount of money in the trade as well, and saved about $100 a month as well between upkeep costs, oil change cost, and insurance...so was very worth it. The dealership basically creamed their jeans though as it only had 30k miles on it (was a 2011 bmw). They said it was the nices/newest car that old they have ever seen.

I did my research though and got a good deal both in trade in value, and on the Saturn as well. That was more important to me then the type of car. Resell value on my Saturn is still about 80% of what I paid for it, as long as i don't bring it to a dealership of course.
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WhiskeyDisk
10/18/18 2:38:43 AM
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...but the BMW was worth 3x whatever the Saturn was worth no matter how you spin it. They robbed you and laughed amongst themselves about it for weeks afterwards. There is literally no scenario where the Saturn is worth more than the BMW...even if the BMW had a blown engine and was towed to the dealership on a flatbed.

And I hate BMWs unconditionally fwiw.

But the resale value of a BMW is high regardless of it's condition compared to the resale value of a Saturn which is comparable to 3 day old fish.
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wolfy42
10/18/18 2:46:15 AM
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I looked up the blue book value of the BMW and got almost 2k more then that from them, and got the Saturn for 700 less then the blue book value. I pocketed the difference....so yeah, it was a very good deal. I didn't just get it, I bartered for it, and i knew the values of everything involved (used another site, not just blue book...but forget it's name (been awhile) to get the values involved.)

Also called both a BMW dealer and a few other places to see what trade ins I could get for it, and got significantly more from the place I went (Which is why I did it, otherwise I was going to just sell it direct which is more then you get from dealers, but by doing it this way I avoided taxes etc...so it was about the same as selling it to someone without the hassleof finding someone with 14k in cash to give me heh).
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WhiskeyDisk
10/18/18 2:57:53 AM
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...my point being the Saturn has...let's just round it up to zero resale value compared to the beamer...
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xjayguyx
10/18/18 3:04:25 AM
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WhiskeyDisk posted...
...my point being the Saturn has...let's just round it up to zero resale value compared to the beamer...


You don't know what your talking about.. BMW are terrible for resale value. That BMWs value is dropping faster than the Saturn..

Also like someone else said above the BMW is good for 4-5 years then they go to shit. Terrible reliability and VERY expensive to fix.

Know what your talking about before flapping your mouth.
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xjayguyx
10/18/18 3:05:33 AM
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Lol that was you that said the amount of time a BMW is good for. Haha

So you should kinda know whats going on but you still sound like you don't.
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WhiskeyDisk
10/18/18 3:07:28 AM
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And exactly how many Saturns have been made since 2010?

YOU don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Just stop before you embarrass yourself.
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wolfy42
10/18/18 3:07:51 AM
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Yeah, um the BMW was bought in 2011, and sold in 2016 (5 years later) and halved in value (and getting that required a private sale ...it was 1/3rd in value to most dealerships).

I won't even consider buying a new car again after that...just not worth it.

Rather get one that is used, but not too used, and has good resell value.

But for right now, just want something not too expensive I can go on trips with:)
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xjayguyx
10/18/18 3:09:33 AM
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wolfy42 posted...
Yeah, um the BMW was bought in 2011, and sold in 2016 (5 years later) and halved in value (and getting that required a private sale ...it was 1/3rd in value to most dealerships).

I won't even consider buying a new car again after that...just not worth it.

Rather get one that is used, but not too used, and has good resell value.

But for right now, just want something not too expensive I can go on trips with:)


Few years old is best. But a new vehicle has warranty and no one has abused the vehicle. Pros and cons to both.
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wolfy42
10/18/18 3:09:44 AM
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Btw i have 2 cars at dealerships I am looking into and will call tomorrow. Both are over the KBB suggested prices from a dealership, so I'll have to either find out why, or try and talk them down. Damn dealerships are greedy.

Still I have quite a few cars to search for...which is pretty awesome. You guys have been a big help:)
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xjayguyx
10/18/18 3:10:15 AM
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WhiskeyDisk posted...
And exactly how many Saturns have been made since 2010?

YOU don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Just stop before you embarrass yourself.


Never said the Saturn was great either man, BMWs are money pits and unless you got $ they are best left alone.
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xjayguyx
10/18/18 3:11:01 AM
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wolfy42 posted...
Btw i have 2 cars at dealerships I am looking into and will call tomorrow. Both are over the KBB suggested prices from a dealership, so I'll have to either find out why, or try and talk them down. Damn dealerships are greedy.

Still I have quite a few cars to search for...which is pretty awesome. You guys have been a big help:)


Ford escape and Mazda Tribute be a good way to go.
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wolfy42
10/18/18 3:13:17 AM
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xjayguyx posted...
wolfy42 posted...
Yeah, um the BMW was bought in 2011, and sold in 2016 (5 years later) and halved in value (and getting that required a private sale ...it was 1/3rd in value to most dealerships).

I won't even consider buying a new car again after that...just not worth it.

Rather get one that is used, but not too used, and has good resell value.

But for right now, just want something not too expensive I can go on trips with:)


Few years old is best. But a new vehicle has warranty and no one has abused the vehicle. Pros and cons to both.


Yeah, I even considered leasing but then did my research on it...and doesn't look like a good option. New though, drops a ton in value right away...which kinda defeats the purpose (saving money on hotels). I don't care about status etc, just want a reliable car. New is just too much cost for no real gain (to me).

What i would love is a 2012-2014 car that is comfy but has seats that fold down...for 10k or less, and with less then 50-60k miles. Doubt i'll find anything like that, but I got my Avalon (was such a great car) in 2002 (was a 1999 toyota avalon XL) for 10k. It's possible to get something like that, but you gotta be lucky.
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xjayguyx
10/18/18 3:15:43 AM
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wolfy42 posted...
xjayguyx posted...
wolfy42 posted...
Yeah, um the BMW was bought in 2011, and sold in 2016 (5 years later) and halved in value (and getting that required a private sale ...it was 1/3rd in value to most dealerships).

I won't even consider buying a new car again after that...just not worth it.

Rather get one that is used, but not too used, and has good resell value.

But for right now, just want something not too expensive I can go on trips with:)


Few years old is best. But a new vehicle has warranty and no one has abused the vehicle. Pros and cons to both.


Yeah, I even considered leasing but then did my research on it...and doesn't look like a good option. New though, drops a ton in value right away...which kinda defeats the purpose (saving money on hotels). I don't care about status etc, just want a reliable car. New is just too much cost for no real gain (to me).

What i would love is a 2012-2014 car that is comfy but has seats that fold down...for 10k or less, and with less then 50-60k miles. Doubt i'll find anything like that, but I got my Avalon (was such a great car) in 2002 (was a 1999 toyota avalon XL) for 10k. It's possible to get something like that, but you gotta be lucky.


New car pros

Low finance rates
Warranty
First owner ( know what it's been through )
Clean and nice

Cons

Resale drops fastest
Cost ( depending on if fiance or buy outright )
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WhiskeyDisk
10/18/18 3:16:00 AM
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wolfy42 posted...
xjayguyx posted...
wolfy42 posted...
Yeah, um the BMW was bought in 2011, and sold in 2016 (5 years later) and halved in value (and getting that required a private sale ...it was 1/3rd in value to most dealerships).

I won't even consider buying a new car again after that...just not worth it.

Rather get one that is used, but not too used, and has good resell value.

But for right now, just want something not too expensive I can go on trips with:)


Few years old is best. But a new vehicle has warranty and no one has abused the vehicle. Pros and cons to both.


Yeah, I even considered leasing but then did my research on it...and doesn't look like a good option. New though, drops a ton in value right away...which kinda defeats the purpose (saving money on hotels). I don't care about status etc, just want a reliable car. New is just too much cost for no real gain (to me).

What i would love is a 2012-2014 car that is comfy but has seats that fold down...for 10k or less, and with less then 50-60k miles. Doubt i'll find anything like that, but I got my Avalon (was such a great car) in 2002 (was a 1999 toyota avalon XL) for 10k. It's possible to get something like that, but you gotta be lucky.


Maybe look into a 2012ish Subaru Forester...
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xjayguyx
10/18/18 3:16:57 AM
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Personally I have no issue buying a new car, just not a American or European car that is lol
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xjayguyx
10/18/18 3:17:28 AM
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WhiskeyDisk posted...
wolfy42 posted...
xjayguyx posted...
wolfy42 posted...
Yeah, um the BMW was bought in 2011, and sold in 2016 (5 years later) and halved in value (and getting that required a private sale ...it was 1/3rd in value to most dealerships).

I won't even consider buying a new car again after that...just not worth it.

Rather get one that is used, but not too used, and has good resell value.

But for right now, just want something not too expensive I can go on trips with:)


Few years old is best. But a new vehicle has warranty and no one has abused the vehicle. Pros and cons to both.


Yeah, I even considered leasing but then did my research on it...and doesn't look like a good option. New though, drops a ton in value right away...which kinda defeats the purpose (saving money on hotels). I don't care about status etc, just want a reliable car. New is just too much cost for no real gain (to me).

What i would love is a 2012-2014 car that is comfy but has seats that fold down...for 10k or less, and with less then 50-60k miles. Doubt i'll find anything like that, but I got my Avalon (was such a great car) in 2002 (was a 1999 toyota avalon XL) for 10k. It's possible to get something like that, but you gotta be lucky.


Maybe look into a 2012ish Subaru Forester...


That's a good one yes, BUT make sure it's a manual. Thats important.
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wolfy42
10/18/18 3:28:53 AM
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I can't drive manuals anymore, i mean I can (in an emergency etc) for friends, but my eyesight isn't great and I have to pay attention to the road etc, can't be distracted by a manual transmission, so that means automatic is mandatory in anything I buy.

I don't even drive around that more anymore, so just going on the trip is a big change, but yeah, can't also switch to manual (used to drive them fine, even ones with bad transmissions that my wife/others couldn't drive...but it's been over 10 years).
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WhiskeyDisk
10/18/18 3:47:08 AM
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xjayguyx posted...
WhiskeyDisk posted...
wolfy42 posted...
xjayguyx posted...
wolfy42 posted...
Yeah, um the BMW was bought in 2011, and sold in 2016 (5 years later) and halved in value (and getting that required a private sale ...it was 1/3rd in value to most dealerships).

I won't even consider buying a new car again after that...just not worth it.

Rather get one that is used, but not too used, and has good resell value.

But for right now, just want something not too expensive I can go on trips with:)


Few years old is best. But a new vehicle has warranty and no one has abused the vehicle. Pros and cons to both.


Yeah, I even considered leasing but then did my research on it...and doesn't look like a good option. New though, drops a ton in value right away...which kinda defeats the purpose (saving money on hotels). I don't care about status etc, just want a reliable car. New is just too much cost for no real gain (to me).

What i would love is a 2012-2014 car that is comfy but has seats that fold down...for 10k or less, and with less then 50-60k miles. Doubt i'll find anything like that, but I got my Avalon (was such a great car) in 2002 (was a 1999 toyota avalon XL) for 10k. It's possible to get something like that, but you gotta be lucky.


Maybe look into a 2012ish Subaru Forester...


That's a good one yes, BUT make sure it's a manual. Thats important.


I agree with Jay here despite hating manuals after driving a manual Jeep for 12 years.

That being said, even if you go for an automatic, the early to mid 2010 Foresters mostly fall into 2 categories. Road warriors, and lightly used grocery getters. Subarus always fit way more shit in them than you'd think by looking at them, and Subarus are godly in the snow across the board, even the imprezas and wrx's.

The Forrester is a beast akin to the early 2k Taurus wagons with way better traction control. You can practically live in one of them if you had to.
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wolfy42
10/18/18 3:49:04 AM
#42:


I looked them up but only found two and one has the most god aweful looking back (it had a ton of tires in there but whatever flooring is normally there must have been taken out as it was all metal and bumps etc all over.

No way you could sleep on that!!

But I will widen my search a bit and see if I can find one:)

The more options the better. I'll also talk to the dealerships that actually have decent value cars tomorrow and see if they have anything else along the lines of what i am looking for.
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wolfy42
10/18/18 3:50:41 AM
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Here is the link to one of the vehicles, this is the one with the scary back area (that sounds weird), it's like the 5th picture over.

I could never sleep on that (maybe if I put a matress on top?)

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/2002-subaru-forester-premium/6704732307.html
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xjayguyx
10/18/18 3:52:32 AM
#44:


WhiskeyDisk posted...
xjayguyx posted...
WhiskeyDisk posted...
wolfy42 posted...
xjayguyx posted...
wolfy42 posted...
Yeah, um the BMW was bought in 2011, and sold in 2016 (5 years later) and halved in value (and getting that required a private sale ...it was 1/3rd in value to most dealerships).

I won't even consider buying a new car again after that...just not worth it.

Rather get one that is used, but not too used, and has good resell value.

But for right now, just want something not too expensive I can go on trips with:)


Few years old is best. But a new vehicle has warranty and no one has abused the vehicle. Pros and cons to both.


Yeah, I even considered leasing but then did my research on it...and doesn't look like a good option. New though, drops a ton in value right away...which kinda defeats the purpose (saving money on hotels). I don't care about status etc, just want a reliable car. New is just too much cost for no real gain (to me).

What i would love is a 2012-2014 car that is comfy but has seats that fold down...for 10k or less, and with less then 50-60k miles. Doubt i'll find anything like that, but I got my Avalon (was such a great car) in 2002 (was a 1999 toyota avalon XL) for 10k. It's possible to get something like that, but you gotta be lucky.


Maybe look into a 2012ish Subaru Forester...


That's a good one yes, BUT make sure it's a manual. Thats important.


I agree with Jay here despite hating manuals after driving a manual Jeep for 12 years.

That being said, even if you go for an automatic, the early to mid 2010 Foresters mostly fall into 2 categories. Road warriors, and lightly used grocery getters. Subarus always fit way more shit in them than you'd think by looking at them, and Subarus are godly in the snow across the board, even the imprezas and wrx's.

The Forrester is a beast akin to the early 2k Taurus wagons with way better traction control. You can practically live in one of them if you had to.


They sure are great year round vehicles. I'm more a Mitsubishi guy ( Evo , eclipse/talon 1g,2g Gallant ) but Subaru are great overall vehicles.
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xjayguyx
10/18/18 3:53:31 AM
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wolfy42 posted...
Here is the link to one of the vehicles, this is the one with the scary back area (that sounds weird), it's like the 5th picture over.

I could never sleep on that (maybe if I put a matress on top?)

https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/cto/d/2002-subaru-forester-premium/6704732307.html


Rough but I like it lol. I love older Japanese cars the most.
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xjayguyx
10/18/18 3:54:48 AM
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Well good luck on your vehicle hunt. Hope I helped you. And have a safe trip.
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WhiskeyDisk
10/18/18 3:55:20 AM
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There's 4 colors on that car. Ignore everything the owner claims about it's integrity, that thing is a frankencar. At least half of that thing came out of a junkyard, and the resprays and mismatched body panels are a red alert to abort all around.
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WhiskeyDisk
10/18/18 4:01:03 AM
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And I'll eat my goddamned hat if that thing is "bone stock".

Original frame is maroon, hood and front quarter panels are white, and the rest if it is a mix of matte black and gloss black like someone did body work with whatever uncle Jeb had in his garage.

Do not even entertain the notion of buying that thing even if you could take the headers off and eat cereal out of them.

And I'm damned sure that spoiler isn't "bone stock".
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xjayguyx
10/18/18 4:03:09 AM
#49:


WhiskeyDisk posted...
And I'll eat my goddamned hat if that thing is "bone stock".

Original frame is maroon, hood and front quarter panels are white, and the rest if it is a mix of matte black and gloss black like someone did body work with whatever uncle Jeb had in his garage.

Do not even entertain the notion of buying that thing even if you could take the headers off and eat cereal out of them.


I'd pay like $700 and drive it for a bit lol. Be my camping car. But ya it's a beater.
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wolfy42
10/18/18 4:06:14 AM
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Yeah, not going near it witha 10 foot pole heheh...just wanted you guys to see the scary back!!!

I saw others and they have seats that fold down etc, and a comfy place to rest....so the car itself would work, they just ripped all of that out (I guess for more space) and so it wouldn't work for me at all.

Yeah, thank you both a ton, you have been a ton of help and tomorrow I will have way more leads....might even end up getting one tomorrow because of you guys, so thanks so much!!

Can't wait to start going on trips, trying to move forward with my life and kinda re-invent myself and this is the next step!!

Heading to bed myself!!! Night:)
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