Poll of the Day > C/D: Women/presenting females should be obligated to shave their legs.

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Answer C or D

Post ITT for your explanation too
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If they want any romantic/sexual attention, sure. Otherwise they should cover their legs or expect some abuse for being unkempt, as with anybody.
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It's honestly not that noticeable
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Their choice, there is no reason to forcefully live one's life by marketing propaganda from over 50 years ago.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

If they want any romantic/sexual attention, sure. Otherwise they should cover their legs or expect some abuse for being unkempt, as with anybody.

I noticed you didn't vote.
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Their choice, there is no reason to forcefully live one's life by marketing propaganda from over 50 years ago.

A social obligation isn't force, but it would be the bare minimum to partake.
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Bok_Choi posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

If they want any romantic/sexual attention, sure. Otherwise they should cover their legs or expect some abuse for being unkempt, as with anybody.

I noticed you didn't vote.

Note the prerequisite.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Bok_Choi posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

If they want any romantic/sexual attention, sure. Otherwise they should cover their legs or expect some abuse for being unkempt, as with anybody.

I noticed you didn't vote.

Note the prerequisite.

Just one more question for you then

Are you a virgin
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Bok_Choi posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Bok_Choi posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

If they want any romantic/sexual attention, sure. Otherwise they should cover their legs or expect some abuse for being unkempt, as with anybody.

I noticed you didn't vote.

Note the prerequisite.

Just one more question for you then

Are you a virgin

Nah bro, I just expect some basic standards to be kept, in line with wearing deodorant.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

A social obligation isn't force, but it would be the bare minimum to partake.

Guess the propaganda took hold in your case.
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

A social obligation isn't force, but it would be the bare minimum to partake.

Guess the propaganda took hold in your case.

The "propaganda" that hairy legs aren't feminine?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

The "propaganda" that hairy legs aren't feminine?

Yep, what better way to be able to sell leftover razorblades than to convince women they need to shave?
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

The "propaganda" that hairy legs aren't feminine?

Yep, what better way to be able to sell leftover razorblades than to convince women they need to shave?

Men have more hair than women, ergo less hair is more feminine. Also who wants hair in their teeth? Grooming is just basic hygiene.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Men have more hair than women, ergo less hair is more feminine. Also who wants hair in their teeth? Grooming is just basic hygiene.

right
it's not because certain people want women's bodies to remain prepubescent like
lmfao
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Kyuubi, your programmed sexism is showing.
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I'm ashamed to even be on this board now.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

The "propaganda" that hairy legs aren't feminine?

Yep, what better way to be able to sell leftover razorblades than to convince women they need to shave?

Men have more hair than women, ergo less hair is more feminine. Also who wants hair in their teeth? Grooming is just basic hygiene.

Your ignorance of history is showing. It only became at all normal for women to shave because Gillette and a number of other companies had a whole bunch of razors it couldn't offload because all the men were off fighting in the war, so they started a propaganda campaign to get women shaving. That's a relatively recent social norm.
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adjl posted...

It only became at all normal for women to shave because Gillette and a number of other companies had a whole bunch of razors it couldn't offload because all the men were off fighting in the war, so they started a propaganda campaign to get women shaving.

Is it not the other way around? They made special razors for the front-line and then the war ended and they had a surplus?
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adjl posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

The "propaganda" that hairy legs aren't feminine?

Yep, what better way to be able to sell leftover razorblades than to convince women they need to shave?

Men have more hair than women, ergo less hair is more feminine. Also who wants hair in their teeth? Grooming is just basic hygiene.

Your ignorance of history is showing. It only became at all normal for women to shave because Gillette and a number of other companies had a whole bunch of razors it couldn't offload because all the men were off fighting in the war, so they started a propaganda campaign to get women shaving. That's a relatively recent social norm.

That's not really relevant, hairy women still ended up in the freakin' circus, it's only relatively recently that it was seen relatively easy to manage.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

hairy women still ended up in the freakin' circus,

Bearded women yes. And while women do obviously have facial hair I do not know how common it is for them to grow actual full beards...
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

hairy women still ended up in the freakin' circus,

Bearded women yes. And while women do obviously have facial hair I do not know how common it is for them to grow actual full beards...

And bearded men were not in the circus because it was not weird.

Women grow less hair, thus a hairy leg is a manly leg.
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If you are staring at their legs you are sexually harassing them :v
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Is it not the other way around? They made special razors for the front-line and then the war ended and they had a surplus?

Possibly. Can't say I've ever actually researched it in detail myself, just heard it in a couple different places.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

That's not really relevant, hairy women still ended up in the freakin' circus, it's only relatively recently that it was seen relatively easy to manage.

Exceptionally hairy women, yes. Not ordinary women with ordinary amounts of hair. Bearded ladies were not merely women who didn't shave, they were women with a condition which caused unusual amounts of hair growth. Women growing hair on their legs is not unusual. If it were, razors for women would be a pretty niche market.
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Men should be required to shave as well because nobody wants to see your hairy ass.

Generally speaking, you probably shouldn't be showing your ass to most people. The handful of exceptions can decide and indicate their personal preferences, with no need to look to any more general social norms.
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adjl posted...

Exceptionally hairy women, yes. Not ordinary women with ordinary amounts of hair.

And what is ordinary? Because when the option to shave legs was offered, all the exceptionally hairy legged women would have shaved (to avoid a masculine characteristic). Having done that, the moderately over-hairy women would be exceptionally hairy in the population and so would shave. As hair became less prevalent, the upper threshold would drop.

Note: Gillette didn't tell women what was acceptable and they just took it as fact, they offered a product to deal with a factor previously not challenged. It's like with make-up; Once the means to hide flaws appeared, people latched on to it, prior to it people accepted the unchangeable.
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captpackrat posted...

Men should be required to shave as well because nobody wants to see your hairy ass.

If somebody is looking at my ass hole, they deserve what they get.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Note: Gillette didn't tell women what was acceptable and they just took it as fact, they offered a product to deal with a factor previously not challenged. It's like with make-up; Once the means to hide flaws appeared, people latched on to it, prior to it people accepted the unchangeable.

Not directly no, but they set up a marketing strategy to over time change the opinions of people.
Marketing can be and often is, very effective propaganda.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

If somebody is looking at my ass hole, they deserve what they get.

How does this not apply in equal measure for a woman and her legs?
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Note: Gillette didn't tell women what was acceptable and they just took it as fact, they offered a product to deal with a factor previously not challenged. It's like with make-up; Once the means to hide flaws appeared, people latched on to it, prior to it people accepted the unchangeable.

Not directly no, but they set up a marketing strategy to over time change the opinions of people.
Marketing can be and often is, very effective propaganda

Well it wasn't misleading anybody so it's not really propaganda. It's almost like they advertised a product effectively to show its benefits. Not all ads are malicious tricks to have you part with your hard earned cash for fallacious fallus extenders.

Nichtcrawler X posted...

How does this not apply in equal measure for a woman and her legs?

A woman's legs are visible to the public, my anus is not on show.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

my anus is not on show.

We see it every time you post. It's bright red and angry!
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Well it wasn't misleading anybody so it's not really propaganda. It's almost like they advertised a product effectively to show its benefits. Not all ads are malicious tricks to have you part with your hard earned cash for fallacious fallus extenders.

I never implied is was manipulative. Propaganda, while perhaps a bit loaded nowadays, is in essence still a neutral term.
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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Well it wasn't misleading anybody so it's not really propaganda. It's almost like they advertised a product effectively to show its benefits. Not all ads are malicious tricks to have you part with your hard earned cash for fallacious fallus extenders.

I never implied is was manipulative. Propaganda, while perhaps a bit loaded nowadays, is in essence still a neutral term.

propaganda
prpand/
noun

information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.

It's loaded by nature.
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Unfortunately I do not have a better term.

Fact is still that a large part of modern culture and mindset was created, directly or indirectly, by marketing based propaganda.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

A woman's legs are visible to the public

Hahaha wow
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Deny, but I still prefer having smooth legs
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shaving legs gained popularity in wartime when nylon was scarce and women wanted to mimic the look of pantyhose/stockings

if you wear something that covers your legs anyway there's really no point
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My gf shaves her legs, I honestly couldn't care one way or the other if she does or not.
But it makes her feel comfortable, so whatever.
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captpackrat posted...

Men should be required to shave as well because nobody wants to see your hairy ass.

Speak for yourself. My hairy ass is award-winning.

Deny, but I'm not dating someone who has full blown leg hair. I can deal with some prickly legs every few days, but I'm not into legs as hairy as mine.

I'm glad most of POTD understands that while women are not obligated to shave their legs, others are allowed to like or dislike body hair

That's fair, I think.

Personally, body hair doesn't bother me because in my head, it's natural and if we weren't living in a society where right angles and perfect temperatures is "normal" nobody would care about body hair
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The idea of adding something to the "obligated" list never makes happy, that's all.

Like, you can be a disgusting pig, as long as I'm not "obligated" to be near you, I'm happy.
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Is nobody going to comment on "presenting females"? Like animals in heat? Should animals shave their legs?

I don't know what he meant by that, do you mean "women trying to be presentable"?

Chewster posted...

Is nobody going to comment on "presenting females"? Like animals in heat? Should animals shave their legs?

I don't know what he meant by that, do you mean "women trying to be presentable"?

Trans people who present as female
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:|
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I think everyone is taking tc too seriously. I doubt he's advocating for police to inspect women's legs every day to see if they are shaved
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JOExHIGASHI posted...

I think everyone is taking tc too seriously. I doubt he's advocating for police to inspect women's legs every day to see if they are shaved

No, I think everyone understood "obligated" as "socially obligated"
At least, I hope.

shadowsword87 posted...

:|

I hope that :| isn't about trans people tbh
idk why i made the distinction tho
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

A woman's legs are visible to the public

Hahaha wow

Do tell me how you cover your legs as vehemently as your ass. I certainly show my legs to the public a lot more than my ass.
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adjl posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

The "propaganda" that hairy legs aren't feminine?

Yep, what better way to be able to sell leftover razorblades than to convince women they need to shave?

Men have more hair than women, ergo less hair is more feminine. Also who wants hair in their teeth? Grooming is just basic hygiene.

Your ignorance of history is showing. It only became at all normal for women to shave because Gillette and a number of other companies had a whole bunch of razors it couldn't offload because all the men were off fighting in the war, so they started a propaganda campaign to get women shaving. That's a relatively recent social norm.

If true, those men at Gillette did our country a service and we salute them! However, other parts of the world already had shaving or equivalents so that story seems unlikely. Given that hair has likely always been a concern for women, I'd assume that the practice picked up whenever they started to show more skin.

Bok_Choi posted...

I'm glad most of POTD understands that while women are not obligated to shave their legs, others are allowed to like or dislike body hair

That's fair, I think.

Personally, body hair doesn't bother me because in my head, it's natural and if we weren't living in a society where right angles and perfect temperatures is "normal" nobody would care about body hair

Reinforcing that this was a really weird troll topic.
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This is a funny topic because it ties in with history and culture.
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This concept always weirded me out. Why legs and why not arms? I see women with hairy arms every day and i don't understand why not shave it, arms are closer to face and bared more often. Yet its some kind of tabboo to shave arms and normal to shave legs. Society standards are weird