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Bok_Choi 09/12/18 11:45:49 AM #1: |
Everything about him today is surrounded in hyperbole and myth. After his death, people idolized the American ACTOR and created this weird Bruce Lee Culture.
They said his kicks were faster than light (they sped up footage and lied later); he had the lower body strength of an average female. They praised his physique; Bruce Lee was severely underweight and had the cardio of the average couch potato. They said nobody could beat him in a fight; Bruce Lee's only recorded fight was against a cook, to whom he lost. They talk about his philosophy; Bruce Lee plagiarized various sources on Kung Fu and created some bullshit college freshman philosophy about Jeet Kune Do (which he only created because other forms of Kung Fu were too hard for him) - then proceeded to not live by those values nor exemplify them on screen Bruce Lee is the reason why martial arts stereotypes about Asian people exist He's the reason why people go "WA! HA~~~~YA!" when imitating Asian people doing "karate" (they don't even realize Karate is Japanese, not Chinese, because the distinction is meaningless to them) I hate Bruce Lee --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 09/12/18 11:47:05 AM #2: |
Bok_Choi posted...
if someone even believed that, they are an idiot. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Reis 09/12/18 11:47:47 AM #3: |
without Bruce Lee we wouldnt have gotten kenshiro so in the end it was a fair trade
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s0nicfan 09/12/18 11:49:13 AM #4: |
Wouldn't a better example of this be Carlos Mencia or Ricky Martin? At least Bruce Lee was actually asian.
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Kombucha 09/12/18 11:50:03 AM #5: |
did anyone really not find it obvious when the footage was sped up?
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Bok_Choi 09/12/18 11:50:34 AM #6: |
Please stop trying to diminish the heritage and race of Asians by bringing up other people
We are talking about Asians/Asian Americans right now --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bok_Choi 09/12/18 11:51:55 AM #7: |
Kombucha posted...
did anyone really not find it obvious when the footage was sped up? The thing is, audiences were duller back then Also that's not to say Bruce Lee wasn't fast - he just wasn't as fast as the bright screen led people to believe. If you ask anyone who knows him today, they'll embellish and lie --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Turtlebread 09/12/18 11:52:33 AM #8: |
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Balrog0 09/12/18 11:53:52 AM #9: |
Bok_Choi posted...
Bruce Lee is the reason why martial arts stereotypes about Asian people exist C'mon now, wuxia was a thing way before Bruce Lee. And Bruce Lee isn't even the only one of his contemporaries to successfully transition from eastern to western cinema (Jackie Chan even got his own cartoon) --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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green butter 09/12/18 11:56:22 AM #11: |
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Bok_Choi 09/12/18 11:59:10 AM #13: |
Balrog0 posted...
C'mon now, wuxia was a thing way before Bruce Lee. And Bruce Lee isn't even the only one of his contemporaries to successfully transition from eastern to western cinema (Jackie Chan even got his own cartoon) Bruce Lee is the reason why Jackie Chan will only ever succeed in a martial arts film in the United States He has many dramatic Chinese releases beyond martial arts movies - and they are GOOD. Highwind07 posted... In modern times it has to be Jackie Chan. Jackie Chan could only succeed doing those things because Bruce Lee set the stereotype and everybody Asian had buck teeth, glasses, were short, and couldn't speak English. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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eston 09/12/18 11:59:52 AM #14: |
green butter posted...
what about david carradine in kung fu This Literally wasn't even Asian, lol --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bok_Choi 09/12/18 12:01:30 PM #15: |
green butter posted...
what about david carradine in kung fu eston posted... green butter posted...what about david carradine in kung fu Asian stereotyping and yellowfacing existed before Bruce Lee I don't see why that doesn't mean Bruce Lee exploited those stereotypes to make money, and created long-lasting harmful stereotypes about Asians --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 09/12/18 12:02:12 PM #16: |
Bok_Choi posted...
Bruce Lee is the reason why Jackie Chan will only ever succeed in a martial arts film in the United States I guess, in the sense that he might be the reason that jackie chan can be successful in western film at all. The stereotyping of asians in western cinema isn't because of him though. Bok_Choi posted... Jackie Chan could only succeed doing those things because Bruce Lee set the stereotype and everybody Asian had buck teeth, glasses, were short, and couldn't speak English. charlie chan --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bok_Choi 09/12/18 12:03:05 PM #18: |
Also I'd never even heard of David Carradine before this topic
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Bok_Choi 09/12/18 12:04:06 PM #19: |
Balrog0 posted...
The stereotyping of asians in western cinema isn't because of him though. I never said it was Read my OP again Most people don't remember Charlie Chan or David Carradine anymore. Bruce Lee is the defining figure as the actual Asian man to do it. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bok_Choi 09/12/18 12:06:53 PM #21: |
16-BITTER posted...
Never understood why people get upset at positive stereotypes. Some of us lead perfectly functional lives without ever engaging in martial arts; we appreciate being appreciated for qualities other than those you associate with our fucking race. And lets not pretend "DO YOU KNOW KUNG FU" is asking "ARE YOU TOUGH WISE ATHLETIC" because stereotypically Asians are a) not tough, b) seen as book smart not social/street smart, c) non-athletic. You people think you're so smart bringing up "positive stereotypes" as though suddenly any negative stereotypes about Asians disappear Same people who don't understand why Black Americans might get offended when you assume they played football or basketball, are musical, or can dance well --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BJ-blazkowics 09/12/18 12:12:13 PM #22: |
s0nicfan posted...
Wouldn't a better example of this be Carlos Mencia or Ricky Martin? At least Bruce Lee was actually asian. Carlos Mencia and Ricky Martin totally exploited Asian stereotypes at the expense of asian americans!!! --- Long live The Fam! They hate us 'cuz they ain't us! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bok_Choi 09/12/18 12:13:27 PM #23: |
BJ-blazkowics posted...
s0nicfan posted...Wouldn't a better example of this be Carlos Mencia or Ricky Martin? At least Bruce Lee was actually asian. Come on you and I both know that wasn't what he was saying s0nicfan only posted that because he's incapable of relating, so he brought up something similar it's not his fault --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 09/12/18 12:14:37 PM #24: |
Bok_Choi posted...
Read my OP again you changed it but yeah okay he did certainly exploit and popularize those stereotypes --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bok_Choi 09/12/18 12:20:19 PM #26: |
16-BITTER posted...
So it's a stereotype to assume you know how to fight, but it's also a stereotype to assume you don't know how to fight. Racists aren't known for their logic and reasoning Maybe like how certain people think black people are not intelligent because of their race, but somehow they're smart enough to play a complex game like football and basketball and do well??????? Turns out not a lot of thought goes into racism. Who knew? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Balrog0 09/12/18 12:22:46 PM #27: |
Bok_Choi posted...
Maybe like how certain people think black people are not intelligent because of their race, but somehow they're smart enough to play a complex game like football and basketball and do well??????? the entire discourse about white players vs black players heavily leans into the idea that black people are naturally (physically) gifted and white people are 'good leaders' who 'work hard' and have 'good fundamentals' so its not exactly spot on --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ClockworkHare 09/12/18 12:24:05 PM #28: |
Reis posted...
without Bruce Lee we wouldnt have gotten kenshiro so in the end it was a fair trade --- Bite me like one of your French rolls. http://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2017/06/05/flcnpawn.png http://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2017/06/05/84543589.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bok_Choi 09/12/18 12:27:33 PM #29: |
Balrog0 posted...
Bok_Choi posted...Maybe like how certain people think black people are not intelligent because of their race, but somehow they're smart enough to play a complex game like football and basketball and do well??????? okay its not a perfect analogy im being lazy okay what did you expect from the guy that made this topic --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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sLaCkEr408___RJ 09/12/18 12:35:43 PM #30: |
Do we have any sources for the OP
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The Trent 09/12/18 12:40:33 PM #31: |
there's a lot of misinformation in that OP bro
why did you do this --- i swear to God most of y'all cats just don't know The Trent you barely know yourself so i guess most of y'all should be offended ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bok_Choi 09/12/18 12:45:01 PM #33: |
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/07/us/bruce-lee-myth-vs-reality/index.html
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BJ-blazkowics 09/12/18 12:47:17 PM #34: |
Bok_Choi posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...s0nicfan posted...Wouldn't a better example of this be Carlos Mencia or Ricky Martin? At least Bruce Lee was actually asian. I don't know who Mencia is, but Ricky is actually hispanic too? --- Long live The Fam! They hate us 'cuz they ain't us! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bok_Choi 09/14/18 3:27:34 AM #35: |
BJ-blazkowics posted...
I don't know who Mencia is, but Ricky is actually hispanic too? Please stop trying to diminish Asians by constantly bringing others up in comparison --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MorbidFaithless 09/14/18 3:34:34 AM #36: |
Why are you so angry aren't Asian people supposed to be nice all the time??
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Bok_Choi 09/14/18 3:50:50 AM #37: |
casual racism is hilarious indeed
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Ranzoh 09/14/18 5:33:26 AM #38: |
Lol at that video. I didn't notice that the movie I saw was sped up, in fact I don't think it was at all, did someone from youtube edit that video? Yeah, sure, some things you said are true like how he shouldn't be idolized, but some of the things he created wasn't unoriginal. Jeet Kune Do is a fine philosophy to follow even though it's not taken seriously as a real philosophy that should be added to western philosophy. Things from the philosophy though makes some intellectual sense when applied to combat like he non-telegraphic punch, cutting down flowery moves with economy of motion, etc that he tried to apply off-screen. I'm not sure if he meant to exploit Asian kung fu stereotypes, rather he tried to show how cool it can be and not flowery. He popularized MMA, though he wasn't the one that invented it. He was only trying to create a masculine role model for Asians, but the martial art sounds he made was probably excessive that people started mocking it and probably made Asians goofy and taken less seriously as great fighters.
I agree we should depart from martial arts stereotypes but what kind of heroes should we have? I mean you could name a bunch of non-Asian heroes like Batman that knows martial arts but without all the negative stereotypes associated with it. What about Muhammad Ali or Mike Tyson? How come they get a free pass? Those guys are professionals and Bruce stressed technique over strength. He worked out doing circuits, which are various workouts you do without stopping for a deep breath, which gave him his physique in the first place. I knew a Korean guy that worked out doing circuits and man I'll tell ya it's only for the strongest or those that have muscle endurance. Let me ask you this, what makes an Asian masculine? Define it for me please. :) If we don't have a great fighter of our own, how will we look strong? Bruce Lee may be a starting point or where we take some of the influence and/or depart from it. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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YourDrunkFather 09/14/18 5:37:36 AM #39: |
Bok_Choi posted...
casual racism is hilarious indeed Is that why you engage in it so much? --- One bourbon,one scotch,one beer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bok_Choi 09/14/18 5:40:16 AM #40: |
Ranzoh posted...
I'm not sure if he meant to exploit Asian kung fu stereotypes, rather he tried to show how cool it can be and not flowery. Intent is meaningless in the face of results In the end his success was due to his enabling, perpetuation, and exploitation of Asian stereotypes --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bok_Choi 09/14/18 5:40:47 AM #41: |
YourDrunkFather posted...
Bok_Choi posted...casual racism is hilarious indeed i've never been casually racist in my life nor racist i'm the least racist person on CE --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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YourDrunkFather 09/14/18 5:53:35 AM #42: |
Bok_Choi posted...
YourDrunkFather posted...Bok_Choi posted...casual racism is hilarious indeed No way you typed that with a straight face --- One bourbon,one scotch,one beer ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bok_Choi 09/14/18 6:08:00 AM #43: |
You're free to prove me wrong
Everything I do is against the name of racism --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MorbidFaithless 09/14/18 12:04:00 PM #44: |
Have you ever not said something with the sarcasm font on
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lifeamovie 09/14/18 12:04:53 PM #45: |
sjws are after bruce lee now
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Nomadic View 09/14/18 12:10:48 PM #46: |
16-BITTER posted...
Never understood why people get upset at positive stereotypes. --- {}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{} {}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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rikasa 09/14/18 12:13:24 PM #47: |
Interesting take. I never really understood why people seemed to think he was actually a good fighter. It's just acting right?
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Tyranthraxus 09/14/18 12:15:10 PM #48: |
rikasa posted...
Interesting take. I never really understood why people seemed to think he was actually a good fighter. It's just acting right? He is a good fighter, he's just not Jet Li good. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SSJGrimReaper 09/14/18 12:15:41 PM #49: |
Bok with a chub vs Prime Bruce Lee
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UnfairRepresent 09/14/18 12:20:10 PM #50: |
Kombucha posted...
did anyone really not find it obvious when the footage was sped up? It was nice of all those guys to attack one at a time despite surrounding him. At one point 2 guys jumped side by side at the same time yet in the next frame there was only 1. How sporting of them --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bok_Choi 09/14/18 12:36:20 PM #51: |
SSJGrimReaper posted...
Bok with a chub vs Prime Bruce Lee i'd turn left and win --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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