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scar the 1
08/08/18 8:36:19 AM
#102:


Rika_Furude posted...
I'm saying its a closer analogy than your comparison to being bullied

And I'm saying that being forced to conceal your face in public is an example of being oppressed, and my analogy is between being oppressed and being bullied.
The ban doesn't ban forcing your wife to conceal her face in public. The ban forbids being oppressed in public.
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Kaliesto
08/08/18 8:38:47 AM
#103:


I don't see a problem with this, fair next.

The burqa is part of many decades of brainwashing, and the fact you actually cannot remove it from said countries of origins or else you will face consequences. Imagine if that spread to other countries where this isn't a thing, but eventually becomes a thing and causes eventual loss of rights for women.

I don't blame the European Countries wanting to stamp that out.

The only downside to it is a loss of fashion choice, but you can blame the countries of origin of using it to oppress women, until the day it isn't a symbol of oppression then maybe the ban will be lifted.
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Rika_Furude
08/08/18 8:39:26 AM
#104:


If there's a man trying to force his wife in public to wear a burqa, i'm sure thats against the law.
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scar the 1
08/08/18 8:43:42 AM
#105:


Rika_Furude posted...
If there's a man trying to force his wife in public to wear a burqa, i'm sure thats against the law.

Might be (probably is), depending on how the coercion is taking place, but that's not really relevant. We're talking about this particular ban, and you're saying that it's more like banning oppression than banning the oppressed.
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Rika_Furude
08/08/18 8:48:31 AM
#106:


I'm saying its a step in the right direction. It's not going to prevent oppression all by itself immediately. It's for that reason you oppose this.
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scar the 1
08/08/18 8:56:53 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
I'm saying its a step in the right direction. It's not going to prevent oppression all by itself immediately. It's for that reason you oppose this.

No, that's not what your analogy is saying, and no, that's not the reason I oppose it. I've been quite clear on several occasions that I think this is a step in the wrong direction that is directly harmful to the people who are the most vulnerable while not affecting any oppressor at all. It seems like you're hell-bent on not just disagreeing but misrepresenting my point.
But again, you recently literally asked why the government shouldn't help men oppress women, so it's clear we have different ideas of what "the right direction" entails.
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Anarchy_Juiblex
08/08/18 9:42:43 AM
#108:


Wonky thought but forcing people to cover is worse than banning coverings.

This isn't an attack that applies solely to Islamic counties either. The West forces people to cover breasts/genitals in many scenarios.
The moral high ground here is with the freedom to be nude.
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Oatcakes
08/08/18 1:10:24 PM
#109:


Rika_Furude posted...
Oatcakes posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Oatcakes posted...
I didn't say it wasn't, but surely the law shouldn't help them with their oppression?

why not?


My post was based on the original point that "it's to help stop oppression". So surely this is contradictory if by stopping oppression you cause even more? (Indirectly)

It's caused by the people of that culture, not the people trying to stamp out that culture. That's like saying "banning unvaccinated children from going to public school just means more children don't get an education, and that's the governments fault".


My point is that if a law causes more of what it's trying to stop then it's a dumb law.

If the law isn't for that reason then people should say, I don't know why people are bringing up how it stops oppression.
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scar the 1
08/08/18 1:56:47 PM
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Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Wonky thought but forcing people to cover is worse than banning coverings.

Two things can both be bad at the same time as one is worse than the other.
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TheSextMachine
08/11/18 4:33:34 PM
#113:


M_Live posted...
Have their been a lot of instances with women wearing burqas creating dangerous situations to lead to this ban?

No, but there have been instances of men using them to get by security
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MaverickXeo
08/11/18 4:38:20 PM
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MuayThai85 posted...
FaultyGourry posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
FaultyGourry posted...
I'm not a fan of organized religion, especially islam, but this is bullshit. People approving of this are absolute fools. In no way is a right being taken away from the people something to celebrate.

It is when the practice does nothing but oppress women.

Please. You might as well be telling me guns are for nothing but killing people. >_>


But it is though. No where in the Quran does it state that women must be covered head to toe. The Burqa/niqab were something men forced on Muslim women as a way to control and oppress them. It's not a religious garment.


It is very similar to Mennonite beliefs. The women get in 'trouble' for dressing too provocative and if they get assaulted by a man, it is deemed to be their fault and not the man's. This is direct from a woman who left a colony after being 'sold' to another in marriage.
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SuperMedz3
08/11/18 4:40:08 PM
#115:


M_Live posted...
Have their been a lot of instances with women wearing burqas creating dangerous situations to lead to this ban?

Some men beat women for not wearing it
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MaverickXeo
08/11/18 4:41:26 PM
#116:


SuperMedz3 posted...
M_Live posted...
Have their been a lot of instances with women wearing burqas creating dangerous situations to lead to this ban?

Some men beat women for not wearing it


There have been cases of men wearing them and robbing places.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=burqa+robbery&rlz=1C1CHBF_enCA695CA695&oq=burqa+robbery&aqs=chrome..69i57.6526j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
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gmanthebest
08/13/18 6:32:01 AM
#118:


Funbazooka posted...
The new law bans wearing a burqa, which covers a person's entire face, or the niqab, which only shows the eyes, in public. The law also prohibits accessories that hide the face such as balaclavas, masks and false beards.


This law doesn't unfairly discriminate. It applies to anyone wearing shit that hides their face.

So this isn't a burqa ban, just a ban on things that can make you unidentifiable.
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scar the 1
08/13/18 6:48:59 AM
#119:


gmanthebest posted...
Funbazooka posted...
The new law bans wearing a burqa, which covers a person's entire face, or the niqab, which only shows the eyes, in public. The law also prohibits accessories that hide the face such as balaclavas, masks and false beards.


This law doesn't unfairly discriminate. It applies to anyone wearing shit that hides their face.

So this isn't a burqa ban, just a ban on things that can make you unidentifiable.

The law was popularly known as a burqa ban, and to pretend that it's anything else is very dishonest.
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catboy0_0
08/13/18 7:33:43 AM
#120:


scar the 1 posted...
gmanthebest posted...
Funbazooka posted...
The new law bans wearing a burqa, which covers a person's entire face, or the niqab, which only shows the eyes, in public. The law also prohibits accessories that hide the face such as balaclavas, masks and false beards.


This law doesn't unfairly discriminate. It applies to anyone wearing shit that hides their face.

So this isn't a burqa ban, just a ban on things that can make you unidentifiable.

The law was popularly known as a burqa ban, and to pretend that it's anything else is very dishonest.

to pretend it's not anything other than to prevent people from wearing them and committing crimes while hiding their faces is dishonest imo
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scar the 1
08/13/18 7:45:43 AM
#121:


catboy0_0 posted...
scar the 1 posted...
gmanthebest posted...
Funbazooka posted...
The new law bans wearing a burqa, which covers a person's entire face, or the niqab, which only shows the eyes, in public. The law also prohibits accessories that hide the face such as balaclavas, masks and false beards.


This law doesn't unfairly discriminate. It applies to anyone wearing shit that hides their face.

So this isn't a burqa ban, just a ban on things that can make you unidentifiable.

The law was popularly known as a burqa ban, and to pretend that it's anything else is very dishonest.

to pretend it's not anything other than to prevent people from wearing them and committing crimes while hiding their faces is dishonest imo

Well, what crime was the woman in the OP planning to commit?
Besides, Danish right-wing politicians such as Kenneth Kristensen Berth have been intent on banning these particular types of clothing for years. To suddenly pretend that they haven't is dishonest.
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Rika_Furude
08/13/18 4:56:56 PM
#122:


Why are people still arguing against this? They left their country to try and get a better life. Part of that is adapting to your new countries culture and not bringing the culture that made your home country dangerous along. If you dont want a better life, go back home.
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scar the 1
08/13/18 5:14:51 PM
#123:


Rika_Furude posted...
Why are people still arguing against this? They left their country to try and get a better life. Part of that is adapting to your new countries culture and not bringing the culture that made your home country dangerous along. If you dont want a better life, go back home.

There are also women born and brought up in Denmark wearing burqa, though. Not every burqa/niqab wearer is an immigrant.
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catboy0_0
08/13/18 8:08:03 PM
#124:


scar the 1 posted...
catboy0_0 posted...
scar the 1 posted...
gmanthebest posted...
Funbazooka posted...
The new law bans wearing a burqa, which covers a person's entire face, or the niqab, which only shows the eyes, in public. The law also prohibits accessories that hide the face such as balaclavas, masks and false beards.


This law doesn't unfairly discriminate. It applies to anyone wearing shit that hides their face.

So this isn't a burqa ban, just a ban on things that can make you unidentifiable.

The law was popularly known as a burqa ban, and to pretend that it's anything else is very dishonest.

to pretend it's not anything other than to prevent people from wearing them and committing crimes while hiding their faces is dishonest imo

Well, what crime was the woman in the OP planning to commit?
Besides, Danish right-wing politicians such as Kenneth Kristensen Berth have been intent on banning these particular types of clothing for years. To suddenly pretend that they haven't is dishonest.

Whether she was intending to commit a crime is not the point. Maybe you're right about right-wingers being racist, but it doesn't change the fact that people HAVE committed crimes while wearing them and that is the CORRECT reason why they are being banned.
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GreatEvilEmpire
08/13/18 9:20:16 PM
#125:


If I go to the mall dressed like ninja, I'm sure the police would ask me to remove my mask too.
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Funbazooka
08/13/18 9:43:36 PM
#126:


Rika_Furude posted...
Why are people still arguing against this? They left their country to try and get a better life. Part of that is adapting to your new countries culture and not bringing the culture that made your home country dangerous along. If you dont want a better life, go back home.

Exactly. The outside culture doesn't supersede the one they've moved into. They have to integrate, preferably by choice.
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Rika_Furude
08/14/18 3:40:00 AM
#127:


scar the 1 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Why are people still arguing against this? They left their country to try and get a better life. Part of that is adapting to your new countries culture and not bringing the culture that made your home country dangerous along. If you dont want a better life, go back home.

There are also women born and brought up in Denmark wearing burqa, though. Not every burqa/niqab wearer is an immigrant.

yeah, their culture is being passed down. that doesn't make it right.
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scar the 1
08/14/18 6:00:07 AM
#128:


Rika_Furude posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Why are people still arguing against this? They left their country to try and get a better life. Part of that is adapting to your new countries culture and not bringing the culture that made your home country dangerous along. If you dont want a better life, go back home.

There are also women born and brought up in Denmark wearing burqa, though. Not every burqa/niqab wearer is an immigrant.

yeah, their culture is being passed down. that doesn't make it right.

They can't just "go back home". They are home.
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Funbazooka
08/14/18 6:06:17 AM
#129:


People seem to have the impression that burqa bans are the purview of European nations or Northern European nations but ackchyually....

There are currently 14 nations that have banned the burqa (not to be confused with the hijab), including Austria, Denmark, France, Belgium, Tajikistan, Latvia,[1] Bulgaria,[2] Cameroon, Chad, Republic of the Congo, Gabon, Netherlands,[3] China,[4] and Morocco.
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Kazi1212
08/14/18 6:14:23 AM
#130:


Wow, you mean to tell me even Morocco, an overwhelmingly Muslim majority nation, also banned burqas? Gee I wonder why, maybe its thee same reason the Europeans are thinking about it
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ThyCorndog
08/14/18 6:26:06 AM
#131:


Kazi1212 posted...
Wow, you mean to tell me even Morocco, an overwhelmingly Muslim majority nation, also banned burqas? Gee I wonder why, maybe its thee same reason the Europeans are thinking about it

Tajikistan is overwhelmingly Muslim as well
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thelovefist
08/14/18 6:51:20 AM
#132:


The state dictating what people can or cannot wear is problematic.
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scar the 1
08/14/18 7:23:55 AM
#133:


Funbazooka posted...
People seem to have the impression that burqa bans are the purview of European nations or Northern European nations but ackchyually....

Who was under that impression?
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WaffIeElite
08/14/18 7:33:05 AM
#134:


Good. Don't like it? Stay in a country that allows them.
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Rika_Furude
08/15/18 3:31:10 AM
#135:


scar the 1 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Why are people still arguing against this? They left their country to try and get a better life. Part of that is adapting to your new countries culture and not bringing the culture that made your home country dangerous along. If you dont want a better life, go back home.

There are also women born and brought up in Denmark wearing burqa, though. Not every burqa/niqab wearer is an immigrant.

yeah, their culture is being passed down. that doesn't make it right.

They can't just "go back home". They are home.

home is where the heart is. their heart is in the middle east/india as that is what they live in breath through their actions and beliefs.
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Rika_Furude
08/15/18 3:31:56 AM
#136:


thelovefist posted...
The state dictating what people can or cannot wear is problematic.

no its not.
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scar the 1
08/15/18 3:34:02 AM
#137:


Rika_Furude posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Why are people still arguing against this? They left their country to try and get a better life. Part of that is adapting to your new countries culture and not bringing the culture that made your home country dangerous along. If you dont want a better life, go back home.

There are also women born and brought up in Denmark wearing burqa, though. Not every burqa/niqab wearer is an immigrant.

yeah, their culture is being passed down. that doesn't make it right.

They can't just "go back home". They are home.

home is where the heart is. their heart is in the middle east/india as that is what they live in breath through their actions and beliefs.

Lol, that's bullshit and you know it. They're born and raised in Denmark.
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Rika_Furude
08/15/18 3:35:27 AM
#138:


scar the 1 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Why are people still arguing against this? They left their country to try and get a better life. Part of that is adapting to your new countries culture and not bringing the culture that made your home country dangerous along. If you dont want a better life, go back home.

There are also women born and brought up in Denmark wearing burqa, though. Not every burqa/niqab wearer is an immigrant.

yeah, their culture is being passed down. that doesn't make it right.

They can't just "go back home". They are home.

home is where the heart is. their heart is in the middle east/india as that is what they live in breath through their actions and beliefs.

Lol, that's bullshit and you know it. They're born and raised in Denmark.

they dont act like people born and raised in denmark.
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scar the 1
08/15/18 3:36:04 AM
#139:


Rika_Furude posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Why are people still arguing against this? They left their country to try and get a better life. Part of that is adapting to your new countries culture and not bringing the culture that made your home country dangerous along. If you dont want a better life, go back home.

There are also women born and brought up in Denmark wearing burqa, though. Not every burqa/niqab wearer is an immigrant.

yeah, their culture is being passed down. that doesn't make it right.

They can't just "go back home". They are home.

home is where the heart is. their heart is in the middle east/india as that is what they live in breath through their actions and beliefs.

Lol, that's bullshit and you know it. They're born and raised in Denmark.

they dont act like people born and raised in denmark.

By definition they do
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Rika_Furude
08/15/18 3:37:22 AM
#140:


now who's talking shit? you're being obtuse for no legitimate reason.
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scar the 1
08/15/18 4:05:02 AM
#141:


Rika_Furude posted...
now who's talking shit? you're being obtuse for no legitimate reason.

No, I'm being dead serious. If they're born and raised in Denmark, they're literally acting like people born and raised in Denmark, whether they're forced to cover their face in public or not. What you're suggesting reeks of ethno-nationalism.
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Funbazooka
08/15/18 4:20:26 AM
#142:


Islamic culture is not Denmark's culture. It's literally a foreign culture.
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Sativa_Rose
08/15/18 4:47:40 AM
#143:


scar the 1 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
now who's talking shit? you're being obtuse for no legitimate reason.

No, I'm being dead serious. If they're born and raised in Denmark, they're literally acting like people born and raised in Denmark, whether they're forced to cover their face in public or not. What you're suggesting reeks of ethno-nationalism.


You are acting as if being born and raised in Denmark automatically means you are assimilated into Danish culture. That's not something you can just assume. If a Lebanese family moves to China and has kids, and their kids behave a certain way, that doesn't automatically mean the way their kids are behaving is a part of Chinese culture, to give another example. Culture has to do with a lot more than where you happen to be born and raised geographically.
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scar the 1
08/15/18 5:08:34 AM
#144:


Sativa_Rose posted...
scar the 1 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
now who's talking shit? you're being obtuse for no legitimate reason.

No, I'm being dead serious. If they're born and raised in Denmark, they're literally acting like people born and raised in Denmark, whether they're forced to cover their face in public or not. What you're suggesting reeks of ethno-nationalism.


You are acting as if being born and raised in Denmark automatically means you are assimilated into Danish culture. That's not something you can just assume. If a Lebanese family moves to China and has kids, and their kids behave a certain way, that doesn't automatically mean the way their kids are behaving is a part of Chinese culture, to give another example. Culture has to do with a lot more than where you happen to be born and raised geographically.

You're acting like Denmark's culture is monolithic, when in fact it is not.
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Sativa_Rose
08/15/18 5:18:57 AM
#145:


scar the 1 posted...
You're acting like Denmark's culture is monolithic, when in fact it is not.


It's not monolithic, but the burka is still not a part of it. Not being monolithic doesn't mean that the culture has no boundaries whatsoever and literally anything could be a part of it, which is what your logic seems to imply.
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scar the 1
08/15/18 5:34:23 AM
#146:


Sativa_Rose posted...
scar the 1 posted...
You're acting like Denmark's culture is monolithic, when in fact it is not.


It's not monolithic, but the burka is still not a part of it. Not being monolithic doesn't mean that the culture has no boundaries whatsoever and literally anything could be a part of it, which is what your logic seems to imply.

So should the burqa be banned because it's not part of Danish culture?
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catboy0_0
08/15/18 5:35:31 AM
#147:


scar the 1 posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
scar the 1 posted...
You're acting like Denmark's culture is monolithic, when in fact it is not.


It's not monolithic, but the burka is still not a part of it. Not being monolithic doesn't mean that the culture has no boundaries whatsoever and literally anything could be a part of it, which is what your logic seems to imply.

So should the burqa be banned because it's not part of Danish culture?

that's not why it's being banned. also not only the burqa is being banned in PUBLIC. but everything that obscures the facial identity of an individual. stop being a SJW for one second
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scar the 1
08/15/18 5:36:34 AM
#148:


catboy0_0 posted...
that's not why it's being banned. also not only the burqa is being banned in PUBLIC. but everything that obscures the facial identity of an individual. stop being a SJW for one second

I was asking him a question based on what he was saying.
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Sativa_Rose
08/15/18 5:40:37 AM
#149:


scar the 1 posted...
Sativa_Rose posted...
scar the 1 posted...
You're acting like Denmark's culture is monolithic, when in fact it is not.


It's not monolithic, but the burka is still not a part of it. Not being monolithic doesn't mean that the culture has no boundaries whatsoever and literally anything could be a part of it, which is what your logic seems to imply.

So should the burqa be banned because it's not part of Danish culture?


It should be banned because it is a threat to Danish culture and society, not just because it isn't a part of it. Teriyaki chicken is also not a part of Danish culture, but it shouldn't be banned because it's not a threat.
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scar the 1
08/15/18 5:43:06 AM
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How, specifically, is.a piece of clothing a threat? Mind you, it's allowed to conceal your face for a recognized purpose, like if it's cold.
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catboy0_0
08/15/18 5:44:22 AM
#151:


scar the 1 posted...
Mind you, it's allowed to conceal your face for a recognized purpose, like if it's cold.

it was designed to protect the face in the desert from heat and particles of sand from winds. not valid
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SuperMedz3
08/15/18 10:40:20 AM
#152:


do they take it off when they get their pictures taken for their driver license?
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Lord_Shadow
08/15/18 10:45:04 AM
#153:


SuperMedz3 posted...
do they take it off when they get their pictures taken for their driver license?

This is a good question
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