Board 8 > Survivor Crew Ranks The Survivor Seasons (Topic 2)

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eaedwards6400
08/10/18 6:59:35 PM
#101:


And there is a reason you lead the Outlier, Inviso, and it's not even close.
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bwburke94
08/11/18 1:03:00 AM
#102:


#12: San Juan del Sur
Average Ranking: 13.18

DoctorBlind: 1 - I dont think I realized San Juan del Sur was my favorite season until I finished this list. But man I really got into this season when it aired, and its still so good upon rewatch! A major part of its success is in its editing. For me, a great deal of enjoyment comes from the winner. Not only was the winner one of my favorites, but the editors kept me guessing the entire time. Id think it was someones to lose and then bam! theyre voted out. Really this season had a fantastic cast and I was thoroughly and enjoyably bamboozled throughout.

Inviso: 3 - I love that we got a one-two punch of Cagayan and San Juan Del Sur back-to-back because after a LONG period of stagnation, we needed some strong seasons in row. Now, while a lot of people are critical of the San Juan Del Sur pre-merge, I actually enjoy it for the most part. Prior to the swap, you have a series of entertaining episodes that, while not amazing, still culminate in one of the best single-episode performances ever by a pre-merge boot. Post-swap is weak, and Id say the three-episode string from the swap to the merge episode are the weakest parts of the season. But from the merge episode onward, EVERYTHING this season does is amazing. The season is just a long series of blindsides, but they never feel like blindsides for the sake of big moves. There are emotional consequences time and time again. While the eventual winner is awesome, its not a story told solely from one persons perspective, and in fact, there are plenty of non-winners built up as solid winner contenders. Like Cagayan, I think the final six is filled with All-Stars, and unlike Cagayan, I dont outright hate a single one of them. And also important to note is the return of the Blood vs. Water twist, which I think is played out FAR better this time around than it was originally. The relationships actually matter, rather than leading to a dumb meme and most of the pairs getting split up before the season even reaches double digits. So yeah, San Juan Del Sur is awesome.

YoRyan: 11 - admittedly , with the exception of Drew's boot, the pre merge is weak.but the post merge starting with Josh's boots is one of the best stretches of episodes ever for the show. Reminded me why i loved the show in the first place

Naye745: 11 - another season with one loaded tribe - blue team had Natalie, Jeremy, Keith, Jon, Drew, and Kelley. Natalie being unexpectedly enjoyable and brilliant after seeing her on TAR was a great surprise, and her comeback after being blindsided on the Jeremy boot was one of the all-time best Survivor wins.

FBike: 12 - This season was initially supposed to have a 20-player cast and Redemption Island. Fortunately, last-minute changes resulted in a season that wasn't too ridiculously fast-paced and unwatchable.
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bwburke94
08/11/18 1:03:05 AM
#103:


GTM: 13 - why is she quits mcgee but no one else is like, quits purple kelly

Illuminatus: 14 - No writeup

eaed: 16 - This is one of the rare seasons that is just so much fun but at the same time is a technical masterclass. Natalie Andersons game is one of the best and she is one of those winners that their story benefits a lot from a rewatch as well. Plus, there are other fun characters. Keith Nale has become one of my all time favorite Survivors. There were a few characters on this season that prevents it from going too much higher for me.

BCT: 17 - The second Blood vs. Water felt unnatural due to them casting solely for that concept there were too many people who had no idea what they were doing, though one of those was a hysterical nuclear disaster. And then there was Natalie Anderson, who played a damn fine game with one of the most epic cake-icings in the shows history with her game-winning F5 idol play. But that doesnt change the awkwardness of all of the reward-trading and the unnecessary nature of the swap

Mana Sword: 23 - No writeup

darkx: 24 - It got better as it went along, but there was almost no substance pre-merge, and still way too many unlikable personalities post-merge.
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DoctorBIind
08/11/18 6:43:17 AM
#104:


Aww, lame.
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Underleveled
08/11/18 9:22:04 AM
#105:


bwburke94 posted...
unnecessary nature of the swap

In the BB topic you praised tribe swaps as a good twist. You are only saying this here because of what happened to Wentworth, which goes against your criticism of people liking twists that benefit their favorites and vice versa.
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eaedwards6400
08/11/18 10:19:21 AM
#106:


Underleveled posted...
bwburke94 posted...
unnecessary nature of the swap?

In the BB topic you praised tribe swaps as a good twist. You are only saying this here because of what happened to Wentworth, which goes against your criticism of people liking twists that benefit their favorites and vice versa.


This is Andy we're talking about... he's unstable
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eaedwards6400
08/11/18 10:23:32 AM
#107:


And of all of the tribe swaps, I would argue that SJDS is the most necessary. Hunahpu was completely dominant those first few weeks they needed a switch. They never would have went to tribe if Drew didnt throw that challenge
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Underleveled
08/11/18 10:57:04 AM
#108:


eaedwards6400 posted...
And of all of the tribe swaps, I would argue that SJDS is the most necessary. Hunahpu was completely dominant those first few weeks they needed a switch. They never would have went to tribe if Drew didnt throw that challenge

Plus in BvW seasons it allows for loved one pairs to play together pre-merge. And IIRC, in SJDS, only one in-tact pair was still split up after the swap (Keith/Wes).
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Inviso
08/11/18 12:03:05 PM
#109:


eaedwards6400 posted...
And there is a reason you lead the Outlier, Inviso, and it's not even close.


I GENUINELY don't understand the Tocantins love. It literally baffles me. Like, Cambodia and MvGX, I shit on them, but at least if you're big on strategy, then fine, you like those seasons. I'm more baffled by loving those seasons and hating Game Changers, when there's no real difference between the two. But Tocantins? You have a tribe of bland, normal people (and Sandy), and they attend tribal council to vote out three bland, normal people (and Sandy). And then that tribe of four loses another bland, normal people to the blandest, normalest medevac ever. And then the more interesting tribe (who still has normal Brendan and Sierra, and Diet Diet Diet Caffeine Free Courtney Yates in Erinn Lobdell) gets reverse Pagonged until the guy who's been edited as running the show and making strategic moves, loses to his lovable do-nothing best buddy.

This is something that bothered me when it got fifth place on Reddit, and it bothered me when Peridiam called it one of the best seasons to introduce new people to the show. Like, if you want to praise "old school Survivor", then WATCH old school Survivor. Marquesas and Vanuatu are both AMAZING compared to Tocantins, yet they're already out, and it boggles the mind.
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Underleveled
08/11/18 12:12:20 PM
#110:


Sierra is definitely not bland and normal. Love her or hate her, she was a HUGE drama-stirrer.
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Inviso
08/11/18 12:13:45 PM
#111:


Sierra and Erinn both strike me as "interesting in the context of Tocantins, but average in a better season".
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GTM
08/11/18 12:19:52 PM
#112:


You're a smart person, Inviso. I'm sure you understand the love but just STRONGLY disagree
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Inviso
08/11/18 12:23:46 PM
#113:


GTM posted...
You're a smart person, Inviso. I'm sure you understand the love but just STRONGLY disagree


I genuinely don't Like, I could understand not hating the season. I don't HATE the season. But when I see it constantly touted as a top ten best season of all time (or better), I don't understand it. I don't understand how fans can complain about other seasons being boring, yet find this season compelling. And I say that as someone who, until I do my full Tocantins rewatch and fold my updated rankings into my overall list, still ranks Tocantins Coach as one of my top ten favorite characters. I just don't get how a season that really only has Tyson and Coach to carry it, is so beloved.
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Naye745
08/11/18 12:57:34 PM
#114:


This season was initially supposed to have a 20-player cast and Redemption Island.

hmm i knew about so kim and her mom being left out, but the redemption island stuff is news to me.
crazy how much worse that season could've been under the wrong circumstances
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Inviso
08/11/18 12:58:56 PM
#115:


Naye745 posted...
This season was initially supposed to have a 20-player cast and Redemption Island.

hmm i knew about so kim and her mom being left out, but the redemption island stuff is news to me.
crazy how much worse that season could've been under the wrong circumstances


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Naye745
08/11/18 1:02:05 PM
#116:


dang it, i knew that lmao
think my brain is mixing it up with rc and her dad?!
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Underleveled
08/11/18 1:04:02 PM
#117:


Yeah RC and her dad were dropped from the original BvW last-minute. The replacement was Candice/John IIRC.
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bwburke94
08/11/18 2:31:39 PM
#118:


Yes, we get it, FBike. You hate Redemption Island.
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Mewtwo59
08/11/18 2:57:01 PM
#119:


Naye745 posted...
This season was initially supposed to have a 20-player cast and Redemption Island.

hmm i knew about so kim and her mom being left out, but the redemption island stuff is news to me.
crazy how much worse that season could've been under the wrong circumstances


Yeah, they were going to put RI on the season until Probst met with Mike White (of TAR and S37) and he was disappointed with them bringing back RI.
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Peridiam
08/11/18 4:41:35 PM
#120:


Inviso, did you even listen to my reasoning? I bring up Tocantins because its very easy to watch for a new person. It has a very safe cast with clear villains who get their comeuppance and a very pleasant, enjoyable finish. It blends old and new together, especially being right in the middle at present.

Im looking at this from the big picture. I know Tocantins isnt super exciting with super compelling players around every bend. But I also know it will suck in the average person.

I can tell you right now NOBODY complains about Tocantins being in that list except you, and I have received several messages from people thanking me for recommending it. They got sucked in. Same thing with BB12.
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Underleveled
08/11/18 4:41:48 PM
#121:


bwburke94 posted...
GTM: 13 - why is she quits mcgee but no one else is like, quits purple kelly

This is a reference to the "Tits McGee" line from Anchorman, I always assumed.
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FBike1
08/11/18 9:51:42 PM
#122:


bwburke94 posted...
Yes, we get it, FBike. You hate Redemption Island.


It's not just that. 20P + Redemption means 17 boots in the first 36 days. That would be an editing nightmare.
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GTM
08/12/18 2:32:56 PM
#123:


tits purple kelly
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bwburke94
08/12/18 5:04:25 PM
#124:


#11: Kaoh Rong
Average Ranking: 12.73
R.obbed G.oddesses: 0

Inviso: 1 - Yeah, Ive been watching Survivor since Borneo and I can honestly say that Kaoh Rong is as close to perfection as an unscripted Survivor season can get. Its eighteen players, all of whom are strong characters in their own rights, given reasonably balanced edits, with a solid mix of strategy and characterization. The pre-merge is great with some amazing tribal councils and players getting blindsided for their own hubris. Only the swap episode is weak, but post-swap/pre-merge is typically the weakest part of a season, so Im okay with that. The multiple medevacs, while slowing the strategy down, allow the players to develop as characters and show emotion. Id even say that the final five episode, despite ending in a medevac, is one of the best the show has made since Survivor hit its thirties. But better than that, the season has heroic heroes and villainous villains, and the timing of every boot feels perfect for telling the story of the season. And while some people will criticize the winnerI myself think the winner is, on paper, the weakest personality in the entire cast, and was certainly my least favorite choice to win going into the final episodeI think the fact that the winner won actually IMPROVES the season. Survivor is at its best when the producers dont get what they want. If someone else wins, the whole edit changes, and the season probably becomes a lot more straight-forward and blatantly obvious, like other recent seasons. By sacrificing a fan favorite winner however, the season as a whole becomes a great deal stronger, and Im totally okay with that.

GTM: 4 - simonica edgarfunkel

Naye745: 6 - after a lukewarm reaction from Jeff pre-season, this one was a hugely pleasant surprise. loaded with great characters and constant surprises, i think this gets universally loved status if Aubry wins in the end.

Mana Sword: 7 - No writeup

YoRyan: 8 - as more and more seasons pass, this season seems even more of a diamond in the rough

FBike: 11 - I barely watched this season, but what I saw was good.

darkx: 11 - Aubry, Tai and Debbie are all-time God-tier Survivor characters. Unfortunately, Jason and Scott are all-time shit-tier human beings.

eaed: 15 - This is a top 10 season if it were not for real dark moments. The Kyle Jason and Scot Polard of it all plus the 3 medivacs. Really kill an entertaining season in both strategy and in characters. I also think Michele is a better than given credit for Survivor winner but because of her going against Aubry it really brings her down. On top of that, the fact that there is controversy more often than not talking about this season bugs me too. So it stops here.

DoctorBlind: 22 - Thinking back, Im struggling to understand why Ive ranked this season so low. Unlike most people, Im totally fine with the winner. Just a forgettable season for me I guess.

BCT: 25 - A season ultimately unsatisfying due to its confusing winner, bafflingly-motivated antagonists, poor twists, overdose of MedEvacs undermining strategy, and boring, repetitive challenges. It does have a rare even edit, one of the most satisfying comeuppances in the history of television, Mark the Chicken, and Aubry going for it, but the negatives stand out more than the positives. Namely the ending not being explained well.

Illuminatus: 30 - No writeup
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Underleveled
08/12/18 5:12:08 PM
#125:


bwburke94 posted...
FBike: 11 - I barely watched this season, but what I saw was good.

Uhm
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bwburke94
08/12/18 5:13:53 PM
#126:


I swear on my dead grandma, FBike didn't actually watch that season.
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Underleveled
08/12/18 5:17:16 PM
#127:


Official top 10:
Borneo
The Amazon
Pearl Islands
Exile Island
China
Micronesia
Tocantins
Heroes vs. Villains
Philippines
Cagayan

My list:

1. ???
2. ???
3. ???
4. ???
5. ???
6. ???
7. ???
8. Survivor: Vanuatu (Season 9)
9. Survivor: Guatemala (Season 11)
10. Survivor: Marquesas (Season 4)
11. Survivor: Kaoh-Rong (Season 32)
12. Survivor: Gabon (Season 17)
13. ???
14. ???
15. Survivor: Millennials vs. Gen X (Season 33)
16. Survivor: Blood vs. Water (Season 27)
17. Survivor: Samoa (Season 19)
18. Survivor: Game Changers (Season 34)
19. Survivor: Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers (Season 35)
20. Survivor: All-Stars (Season 8)
21. Survivor: Nicaragua (Season 21)
22. Survivor: Africa (Season 3)
23. Survivor: The Australian Outback (Season 2)
24. Survivor: San Juan del Sur (Season 29)
25. ???
26. Survivor: Fiji (Season 14)
27. Survivor: Cambodia (Season 31)
28. Survivor: Cook Islands (Season 13)
29. Survivor: Palau (Season 10)
30. Survivor: Thailand (Season 5)
31. Survivor: Worlds Apart (Season 30)
32. Survivor: Ghost Island (Season 36)
33. Survivor: Caramoan (Season 26)
34. Survivor: Redemption Island (Season 22)
35. Survivor: One World (Season 24)
36. Survivor: South Pacific (Season 23)
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Inviso
08/12/18 5:23:51 PM
#128:


Fucking...ugh.

My 2, 3 and 1 all out just before the top ten while generic-ass Tocantins makes it? Fucking seriously?
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08/12/18 5:32:14 PM
#129:


Inviso posted...
Fucking seriously?


Yes.
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eaedwards6400
08/12/18 5:39:59 PM
#130:


Inviso posted...
Fucking...ugh.

My 2, 3 and 1 all out just before the top ten while generic-ass Tocantins makes it? Fucking seriously?


Respect for not rage quitting like Andy
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Naye745
08/12/18 9:49:14 PM
#131:


Boo. Y'all blew it
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GTM
08/12/18 9:53:52 PM
#132:


not me
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The Mana Sword
08/12/18 10:02:51 PM
#133:


kaoh rong is v. good

should have been top 10, even though the top 10 is v. good too.
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Peridiam
08/12/18 10:15:18 PM
#134:


Previous B8 Top 10 (right after Cagayan wrapped up):

Borneo
The Amazon
Pearl Islands
Vanuatu
China
Micronesia
Gabon
Heroes vs. Villains
Philippines
Cagayan
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Underleveled
08/12/18 11:00:43 PM
#135:


So we swapped out Vanuatu and Gabon for Exile and Tocantins.
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Naye745
08/13/18 1:52:22 AM
#136:


why on earth was gabon in the old top 10 lol

kaoh rong should totes be there tho - i don't get everyone complaining about scot and jason when their whole point of existing was to get an incredible comeuppance at the hands of tai, literally one of the most likeable survivor humans of all time

like i said though, if aubry wins kaoh rong has near-universal praise and is viewed as a top-5, cagayan-level modern season. yes, that didn't happen, but what we got was about that level; people just can't get over michele winning :\
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08/13/18 2:06:19 AM
#137:


Naye745 posted...
like i said though, if aubry wins kaoh rong has near-universal praise and is viewed as a top-5, cagayan-level modern season. yes, that didn't happen, but what we got was about that level; people just can't get over michele winning :\

I don't think this necessarily helps its case, nor is necessarily true.

I think Cagayan would still be widely considered a top 5 season if Woo, Spencer, or Tasha had won.
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Naye745
08/13/18 2:18:37 AM
#138:


i agree, but i think for some reason the end result weighs negatively upon kaoh rong in most people's eye for whatever reason. like, i was bummed when the season was over, but when i look back on it i am just immediately drawn to the great characters and storylines, and the roller coaster drama episode after episode. i think it'd absolutely crush it on rewatch too, but that's just speculation lol
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FBike1
08/14/18 12:05:52 AM
#139:


Michele won fairly, even if certain people don't want to admit it. Even now, just mentioning her over on Reddit can cause a riot.
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bwburke94
08/14/18 4:01:23 AM
#140:


#10: Micronesia
Average Ranking: 12.45

BCT: 2 - A great overall cast leading to an entertaining blindside-fest at the merge, complete with the right mix of smart and stupid, make this season constantly entertaining. The emergence of Parvati and Amanda, the reemergence of Cirie, the Fucking Stick, I wanna give immunity to Natalie, and arrogant d-bag Ozzy getting his are notables. The Favorites did carry the day here, but the Fans were a better bunch than the next time they tried this concept.

Mana Sword: 3 - No writeup

Illuminatus: 4 - No writeup

DoctorBlind: 8 - So many #blindsides! So many stupid moves! Although probably not the best season to introduce a newbie to (as I unsuccessfully tried with my fiance), for those of us that love seasons with returnees, this produced on a level we hadnt seen with All Stars. It also yielded us the new and improved Parvati, so ultimate success right there.

GTM: 10 - cirie was robbed but yay a close final two

Naye745: 10 - a lot of the fans were bad, and some of the favorites disappointed for various reasons. (Jon basically quit, Ami was invisible, Yau-Man got outplayed, Penner got medevac'd) but the stretch of post-merge episodes was just so dynamite that it pushes this season to another level.

YoRyan: 15 - pre merge isn't that great and as such, brings the season down with it. That and the season feels pretty soulless at times

FBike: 16 - We might as well rename this season "Survivor: A Bunch of Brain Dead Idiots vs. Whoever Gave Jeff the Largest Stiffie."

Inviso: 19 - Micronesia is one of those seasons that gets a ton of praise because the post-merge is a litany of blindsides, but its one of those seasons where the editors believe that blindsides = quality, thus allowing them to neglect basic character development and storytelling. The seasons big twist is a huge negative right off the bat, because over a decade of evidence shows that pitting newbies against returnees is inherently unfair to the newbies. Even if they manage to find success, a newbie winner in one of these scenarios tends to be the result of the veterans overplaying more than anything else. While the gameplay in Micronesia is dynamic, and you certainly cant call the post-merge uneventful, the uneven casting leads to a rather bland ending to the season. I just dont find it that spectacular, but its better than other attempts at the format, Ill give it that much.

eaed: 25 - If I were to place bets right now, it is either this or Survivor Africa which will be my biggest outlier. To be fair to Micronesia, I hear it played out much better in the real time. However, I didnt see Micronesia until my straight watch in 2013-2014. It was quite aggravating to watch the new players make continuous bad moves against themselves and the returning players just running rough shot. And then, the 2 medivacs and the quit really bring me down because there was a point in time that I thought that if Pennar and Kathy dont leave the game then maybe the Black Widow brigade doesnt take over but that could just be positive thinking. Also, I didnt fall in love with Natalie Bolton the way many other superfans did. I actually cant stand her. I was team Amanda here. Parvatis win really came down to her ability to make two women fall in love with her which is actually kind of astounding that she is that charming.

darkx: 25 - Sorry everyone. I'm just not that into it. It's hard to care about great blindsides when you aren't invested in the players. A series of extenuating circumstances and one of the all-time colossal dumb moves led to a ridiculously overrated winner.
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Espeon
08/14/18 9:36:20 AM
#141:


While Im glad that overrated season is out, Tocantins seriously needs to go.
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08/14/18 9:43:12 AM
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08/14/18 11:18:04 AM
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My biggest trouble with remembering Tocantins is I keep thinking of the Gabon golf course episode and thinking it's Tocantins because of the open highlands. So half the time I'm thinking of the Tocantins cast I'm like, "JT, Stephen, Tyson, Coach, Debbie, Matty..."
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08/14/18 11:21:21 AM
#144:


Mega Mana posted...
I keep thinking of the Gabon golf course episode

And how it was so fucking obviously supposed to be a 3v3v3 post-merge challenge? Just like how the previous immunity challenge was so fucking obviously supposed to be individual immunity?
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eaedwards6400
08/14/18 12:35:48 PM
#145:


Inviso - 188
DoctorBlind - 157
Illuminatus - 153
Mana Sword - 142
YoRyan - 141
darkx - 139
eaed - 130
BlueCrystalTear - 107
GTM - 106
FBike - 95
Naye745 - 84

So, short of number one being DocBlind's being 36. I think it is safe to say Inviso has the Outlier locked up. Also, Naye is close to running away with the Normality. Both are also assuming I don't screw up the spreadsheet again lol
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FBike1
08/14/18 12:56:32 PM
#146:


I'm still shocked I'm probably going to be bottom-two Outlier. I thought I'd be near the top!
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DoctorBIind
08/15/18 9:04:22 AM
#147:


I mean I am still missing #26 and #17 so maybe? Still think Vis takes it easy with a low Tocantins placement.
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bwburke94
08/15/18 2:32:28 PM
#148:


#9: Panama
Average Ranking: 11.82

darkx: 5 - No writeup

YoRyan: 6 - la mina pre merge drops this season out of top 5 for me but the rest is gold

Mana Sword: 6 - No writeup

GTM: 8 - the best set of personalities towards the end that really bring the season up for me

Illuminatus: 8 - No writeup

FBike: 8 - The super-idol was a thing for the first time, though it didn't make a difference. It's not the free pass to the F3 some people claim it to be.

Naye745: 12 - similar to China: smaller cast, and one tribe loaded with all the big personalities. China had nothing compared to the trainwreck of Shane and Courtney, and perhaps nobody as unassuming and lovable as Cirie. Throw in the overpowered Terry immunity idol and a less exciting winner and it's about a wash, but i'll give Exile Island the advantage for one scene.

BCT: 13 - La Mina is likable but bland. Casaya is one of the most explosive tribes in history and that group makes this season satisfying to watch, even when the boots get predictable for a while. Shanes cigarette withdrawal alone made an entire tribe constantly entertaining and the emergence of the factual best player to never win in Cirie make this one fun.

Inviso: 15 - On the one hand, Exile Island features one of the greatest collections of characters ever amassed into a single tribe. On the other hand, the opposition to that tribe is dull as dishwater and mildly unpleasant in how they choose to vote players out of the game. I mean, thankfully the right tribe comes out on top, but that still means were subjected to a very straight-forward series of episodes RIGHT at a crucial point in the season. That being said, Exile Islands endgame is fantastic (minus the finalists being perhaps the weakest characters in the final seven), and theres a single character from the lesser tribe who manages to provide a quality storyline as opposition to the majoritys zaniness. Throw in a multi-season fan favorite and some outright chaos, and youve got a solid season on your hands.

eaed: 23 - If this season has nothing else it has good players and bad game play and at the end of the day, for me, it began to drag because despite Terrys dominance it takes way to long for the other alliance to eat themselves up. But like the season that comes after it in my ranking, it lacks some players that I would remember in a sporcle quiz.

DoctorBlind: 26 - Loved the Terry vs. Aras showdowns and Shanes antics, but Ive little else to contribute here.
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Naye745
08/15/18 2:39:28 PM
#149:


spoilers i had china 1 spot below and theyre basically tied imooo
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eaedwards6400
08/15/18 3:01:44 PM
#150:


Inviso - 190
DoctorBlind - 174
Illuminatus - 158
Mana Sword - 149
darkx - 147
YoRyan - 144
eaed - 144
BlueCrystalTear - 111
GTM - 111
FBike - 100
Naye745 - 87

I may have spoken too soon on Vis and Doc.
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