Board 8 > Survivor Crew Ranks The Survivor Seasons (Topic 2)

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bwburke94
08/02/18 8:33:40 PM
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The list so far:

#36: One World
#35: Redemption Island
#34: Thailand
#33: South Pacific
#32: Ghost Island
#31: Caramoan
#30: Worlds Apart
#29: All-Stars
#28: Nicaragua
#27: Fiji
#26: Samoa
#25: Game Changers
#24: Cook Islands
#23: Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers
#22: Africa
#21: Marquesas
#20: Guatemala
#19: Millennials vs. Gen X

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Underleveled
08/02/18 8:36:28 PM
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Inviso
08/02/18 8:36:51 PM
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Underleveled
08/02/18 8:41:53 PM
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My list through the bottom half:

1. ???
2. ???
3. ???
4. ???
5. ???
6. ???
7. ???
8. ???
9. Survivor: Guatemala (Season 11)
10. Survivor: Marquesas (Season 4)
11. ???
12. ???
13. ???
14. ???
15. Survivor: Millennials vs. Gen X (Season 33)
16. ???
17. Survivor: Samoa (Season 17)
18. Survivor: Game Changers (Season 34)
19. Survivor: Heroes vs. Healers vs. Hustlers (Season 35)
20. Survivor: All-Stars (Season 8)
21. Survivor: Nicaragua (Season 21)
22. Survivor: Africa (Season 3)
23. ???
24. ???
25. ???
26. Survivor: Fiji (Season 14)
27. ???
28. Survivor: Cook Islands (Season 13)
29. ???
30. Survivor: Thailand (Season 5)
31. Survivor: Worlds Apart (Season 30)
32. Survivor: Ghost Island (Season 36)
33. Survivor: Caramoan (Season 26)
34. Survivor: Redemption Island (Season 22)
35. Survivor: One World (Season 24)
36. Survivor: South Pacific (Season 23)
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YoRyanetc
08/02/18 9:30:22 PM
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BlueCrystalTear
08/02/18 10:26:23 PM
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Underleveled posted...
17. Survivor: Samoa (Season 17)

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GTM
08/02/18 10:36:19 PM
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thank you bwburke
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08/02/18 10:37:30 PM
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l'M THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME I HAVE MY DUMB ONION ALLIANCE
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08/02/18 11:33:42 PM
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Underleveled
08/03/18 12:23:27 AM
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That's actually the biggest FLAW with MvGX, is how nice everyone was. There are no fucking STAKES to anything, because there's no emotion. It's like when I used to play online poker. I didn't play with real money, just with play chips. And you can refresh your play chips for free every hour if you bust out. So what does it matter if you decide to dick around and shove your whole stack every round? Sometimes you get lucky and score a huge pot. That's what MvGX feels like. Just a bunch of happy-go-lucky dipshits playing Survivor like it's an online ORG.

This is exactly what MvGX was an it's why I do like the season (granted I don't love it). It was fun to watch 9 of the final 13 just running around doing stupid shit because they could. Basically a "Hey, let's blindside so-and-so because we can and it'll be funny" mentality even if there's no possible way it could benefit their game. I don't think anybody in that season not named David was playing anything even remotely resembling high-quality Survivor gameplay for a single second, but I did find it good television.
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DoctorBIind
08/03/18 3:20:26 AM
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Inviso posted...
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KujikawaRising
08/03/18 10:50:22 AM
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Underleveled posted...
I don't think anybody in that season not named David was playing anything even remotely resembling high-quality Survivor gameplay for a single second, but I did find it good television.

Yeah, they all made mistakes, but they were always playing - and some of them, after getting humbled, could play with the big boys. Because they all liked and respected each other, they were all playing a good social game - that's more what I meant by "high level of play." A lot of their strategic decisions were bad. But their social play was good and that combination is one reason why it's such a great season.
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Underleveled
08/03/18 12:41:26 PM
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KujikawaRising posted...
Underleveled posted...
I don't think anybody in that season not named David was playing anything even remotely resembling high-quality Survivor gameplay for a single second, but I did find it good television.

Yeah, they all made mistakes, but they were always playing - and some of them, after getting humbled, could play with the big boys. Because they all liked and respected each other, they were all playing a good social game - that's more what I meant by "high level of play." A lot of their strategic decisions were bad. But their social play was good and that combination is one reason why it's such a great season.

I'm not agreeing with you Andy. I'm actually agreeing with Inviso and stating that I liked the season for the exact reasons he disliked it. The bad gameplay went way beyond "making mistakes." It was just really sloppy Survivor from 19/20 of the cast.
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Espeon
08/03/18 1:43:03 PM
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Whoa whoa whoa whoa.

I do NOT dislike MvGX got bad gameplay. Id MUCH rather watch a season of awful gameplay resulting in a WTF winner than the alternative. My problem is not with MvGXs BAD gameplay so much as the FORCED gameplay. So many moves this season, in addition to being bad, feel like they were made solely to make moves. Lucy flipping on Jessica, Jay flipping on Michaela, Zeke flipping on Chris, Adam/Hannah flipping on Zeke while Zeke flipped on David, Will flipping on Zeke, Hannah flipping on Sunday/Bret...these all ultimately felt like people trying to build themselves up as PLAYERS rather than just allowing themselves to be human beings. And this sort of gameplay leads to a flat season, because it feels like theres nothing at stake for anyone. If the players are just gamebots playing to make for big tribal council moments, then the emotion of a blindside stops mattering. Michaelas hugely emotional reaction to her boot loses some of the specialness when EVERYONE is trying to randomly blindside one another just for the sake of blindsiding (and everyone but Michaela just takes it in stride, like losing a million dollars is no big deal).
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Underleveled
08/03/18 3:35:00 PM
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I'm surprised San Juan del Sur is still in. I remember that getting panned by the board when it aired. I expect it to go soon, if not next.
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eaedwards6400
08/03/18 3:49:55 PM
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I think SJDS was disliked when it aired and then liked it after the fact when Nat one.
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eaedwards6400
08/03/18 3:56:01 PM
#17:


Inviso - 99
DoctorBlind - 95
Illuminatus - 88
YoRyan - 84
Mana Sword - 74
eaed - 71
darkx - 68
GTM - 59
Naye745 - 50
BlueCrystalTear - 50
FBike - 45

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eaedwards6400
08/03/18 4:12:04 PM
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Also, hate to open a can of worms but I reread the argument between Andy and Inviso and still agree with Viso. I get what Viso says about the players feeling like chess pieces. The biggest difference between that and Cambodia is in MvGX they aren't returning players so you don't already know their back store to be invested in them. So in Cambodia the smallest of human detail was enough to get me by at least because I was already heavily invested in those characters because A. their original season and B. the america votes. (sighs because I probably started this debate again)

I recently rewatched that season and I only walked away liking a handful of them. I think I liked Ken, Jay, Dave, Taylor. And then I liked Chris because he reminded me of someone I knew, and I liked Bret because of RHAP. I can't name most of the premerge people without really thinking about it.
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bwburke94
08/03/18 5:15:18 PM
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I feel I've given enough time for everyone to tag. Back to normal update pace, and not-so-normal outliers.

#18: Blood vs. Water
Average Ranking: 18.73

Illuminatus: 10 - No writeup

BCT: 14 - I really need to rewatch this one. I remember the fun stuff: Marissa and Candice both unloading on Fuck You, Brad Culpepper, Im votin for BRAD. (Rest in Peace, Caleb Bankston), the rock draw, and Redemption Island actually being interesting for once. Oh, and Colton being back for the bad, but at least he quit and got himself banned.

Mana Sword: 14 - No writeup

darkx: 16 - No writeup

GTM: 18 - coconut bandits

eaed: 18 - This season is unique in that on a first watch it had you on the end of your seat and on a rewatch it is easy to get sucked into just how good Tysons game is. Plus, this is like the one scenario where Redemption Island worked really well and on top of that they were fortunate to get a nice batch of returnees but the newbies didnt seem as outclassed as others in this format have.

Naye745: 18 - despite potential pitfalls (yet another Redemption Island season and a risky gimmick/twist theme) this was mostly fun. winner was good and deserving, the newbies in the cast often outshined their returnee counterparts, and someone even VOTED OUT THEIR MOM! (wow)

DoctorBlind: 19 - Pretty weak cast of returning players this time around, but I really enjoyed some of the new players. Big moves!

YoRyan: 22 - a survivor season

Inviso: 23 - Blood vs. Water is the third and most uninspiring of Survivors three Fans vs. Favorites-style seasons. In this instance, the fans were loved ones of the favorites, so that made for some interesting cross-tribal dynamics, but ultimately, the cast isnt that strong and the gameplay isnt exceptional. There are only a few real blindsides, and a lot of the early action is dictated by pre-game alliances that are never alluded to in the show itself. By the time the endgame rolls around, the dominant alliance pretty much has everything go their way and they face no genuine opposition in order to reach the final three, where we receive a blowout winner. Redemption Island works in the early game because you have loved ones interacting with each other after one half of the pair has been voted outbut you can say that about all three instances of pre-merge Redemption Island. Its only a terrible twist once it continues in the post-merge. Ultimate, Blood vs. Water has a handful of big moments, but they all kinda flop and it leads to a rather bland season overall.

FBike: 34 - The premise was so tempting, and then it was ruined by the abomination that is Redemption Island. This is when I initially stopped watching Survivor.
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bwburke94
08/03/18 5:15:51 PM
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Even if FBike's outlier ranking is removed, BvW still ranks 17th, only one spot higher.
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Inviso
08/03/18 5:32:58 PM
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The superior blood vs. water season wins. Good.
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Naye745
08/04/18 2:28:24 AM
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nobody else made a "voted out her mom" reference? come on :( :(
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bwburke94
08/04/18 10:05:06 PM
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#17: Palau
Average Ranking: 18.55

FBike: 9 - If you want to watch dysfunctional morons, this is not the place to do it, despite the reputation this season gets from some fans. This season provides a compelling underdog story of the type rarely seen in more recent seasons.

eaed: 11 - Survivor Palau was a lot of fun for me. Ian was from the Pittsburgh area and I remember that time a lot more than when Amber and Jenna did it before hand. Then, the characters and the self-destruction in the Ulong tribe was a lot of fun. Then on top of it, I enjoyed the Tom and Ian side of it all and I really didnt find much of this season boring.

GTM: 12 - really good beginning told a great story that hasn't happened again (maaaybe phillipines), really crappy finale

YoRyan: 14 - feels like 2 different seasons, for obvious reasons. Both are enjoyable

BCT: 15 - The major issue with this season was Korors winning streak, which led to a sympathy for the Ulong trainwreck that was short-lived due to its final castaway being one of the most repulsive bullies in the history of the show. We then got to the jury phase barely knowing anyones strategies. However, the cast was pretty solid and Tom Westman is a top-tier winner.

Inviso: 17 - Im trying my best not to spoil the season when I do these write-ups, but thats REALLY difficult for Palau. So much of the seasons essence stems from a very specific series of events that are unique to Palau, and Palau alone. Lets just say that there is an extreme editing imbalance in the season, where the pre-merge boots get a ton of screen time, and then the merge backloads a lot of the character development that wasnt evenly distributed early on. It makes for kind of a boring season to watch, although I will admit that the endgame is actually quite interesting. Palau is one of those rare seasons though, where I genuinely blame the events that took place for the seasons failings, rather than production or the editors or the cast themselves. Its a unique season, which is enough to give it a bit of a bump, but its flawed enough to warrant this placement.

Naye745: 19 - one of the few seasons where the drama and fun peaked pre-merge. the disastrous run of ulong was a great storyline, and the korors were great in those early eps as well, but the way that Tom won (and the season ended) was thoroughly unpleasant and really saps my positive feelings about those first 10-ish eps.

Mana Sword: 22 - No writeup

Illuminatus: 27 - No writeup

DoctorBlind: 29 - Cards on the table I barely remember this season. How bout that final three challenge though, eh?

darkx: 29 - A snoozefest in which one vanilla tribe decimated another vanilla tribe, and for some reason everyone went crazy. There were a few standouts in the cast, including one of the most deserved wins ever, but it couldn't save this from being a painfully boring season.
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Inviso
08/05/18 12:22:33 AM
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Yeah, Palau and BvW are weird seasons in that, even though they have some big moments...they both feel so vanilla, like this is how people expect your average Survivor season to be.
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Naye745
08/05/18 11:55:13 AM
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i kind of agree with inviso (for once)

and i literally only have one season in my top 16 thats been revealed so far lmao
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eaedwards6400
08/05/18 2:16:32 PM
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Inviso posted...
Yeah, Palau and BvW are weird seasons in that, even though they have some big moments...they both feel so vanilla, like this is how people expect your average Survivor season to be.


It's funny you day that because they are the average survivor season in our ranking lol
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bwburke94
08/05/18 11:14:56 PM
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#16: Gabon
Average Ranking: 14.55

YoRyan: 9 - hilariously negative season filled with terrible players and nutjobs

DoctorBlind: 10 - After my love of the show was renewed for HvV, I went back and rewatched all the seasons I had missed during my sabbatical. Gabon was the last one up where I had no clue about the end results, and I was hooked from the beginning. Great editing, solid characters, and wacky hijinks. Whats more to love?

FBike: 10 - The post-merge of this season has a surprisingly mixed reputation. Personally, I like it.

Inviso: 11 - Gabon is a season very much like Exile Island, in that you have one tribe of interesting players and one tribe of bland players, and thankfully the interesting tribe dominates the season. However, I will say that in comparison to Exile Island, the bland tribe is MUCH more interesting in Gabon, to the point where you have players to root for in both alliances post-merge. But yeah, on paper, Gabon doesnt have the most dynamic cast. For the most part however, everyone just comes together to create a quality season of television. The pre-merge is awesome specifically because of the visible dysfunction of one tribe and the personalities contained therein. And that spills over into the merge where the competent players have to watch in horror as their games fall apart, largely due to a single player that flip flops between alliances and runs the show. Its a rough season for sure, but its very fun overall.

GTM: 11 - the first season ive seen, really fun but horrible characters, the worst strategy season probably but that's what made it so fun as a first season

darkx: 12 - What happens when you put 17 assholes and a nice old guy in the middle of Africa? Hilarity ensues. [DISCLAIMER: I know not everybody but Bob was an asshole. Dan and Gillian seemed nice enough too.]

BCT: 16 - Probably the worst cast ever in terms of gameplay, with almost every player making a huge misplay of one kind or another. However, that made for a trainwreck that was constantly unpredictable, even if at times it was ugly. Corinne the proud bitch vs. Sugar the basket case is one of the most iconic rivalries of the show and they STILL despise each other!

eaed: 17 - Gabon, the original trainwreck season, is carried on the great characters and television. It however is real weak on the strategy line and thats why it would not go much higher for me. Also, if Bob had just won the last immunity as opposed to what happens with Sugar I think this might go up a few more spots as well. Otherwise, we should be talking about Survivor winner, Matty lol.

Mana Sword: 19 - No writeup

Illuminatus: 22 - No writeup

Naye745: 23 - Randy and Crystal's feud was memorable and great, but most of the rest was not. seems like Sugar just went survivor RNG at endgame and Bob was the lucky recipient. early game was also too long and mostly dull.
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Underleveled
08/05/18 11:22:10 PM
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Randy alone probably bumps Gabon up two or three spots for me.
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Naye745
08/06/18 12:32:17 AM
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very interesting that we went from 17th to 16th place in seasons but the average jumped 4 points! guess we've passed the "average tier" part of the list.
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illuminatusbubu
08/06/18 3:00:00 AM
#30:


If it wasn't for the Sugar's breakdown in every episodes, Gabon would have been in my top 15.
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GTM
08/06/18 4:01:03 AM
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Gabon
Palau
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Millennials vs Gen X
Cook Islands

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Hereos vs Healers vs Hustlers
Blood vs Water
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Game Changers

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Samoa
Caramoan
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Nicaragua

All Stars
Africa
Marquesas
Ghost Island
Worlds Apart

Fiji
Guatemala
Thailand
South Pacific
Redemption Island
One World

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bwburke94
08/07/18 1:56:15 AM
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#15: Cambodia
Average Ranking: 13.64

BCT: 1 - Week-to-week, probably the most unpredictable season well ever see, with great strategic thinkers with complexities that make them ultimately rootable. Wentworth is a fun underdog and a badass. The weather stunk this season, but that makes the level of play all the more incredible everyone came to win and thats not something youd see often. And this wasnt at expense of character narratives like in subsequent seasons.

eaed: 3 - Survivor Cambodia is the return to that combination to what I felt was a fantastic show on TV and then personal reasons. As I had discussed in the past, in 2013-2014 I watched Survivor from Season 1 to Season 28 in a row. And then when Second Chance was announced it really felt like a payoff to all of my hard work with my watch. Then, when the season aired the people I didnt care too much for happened to go early and then on top off watching it live every single episode felt exciting and while others may complain that there was too many advantages but at the end of the day there were truly only 4 idols and one vote steal. And then the idols hidden at challenges were exciting as well. Everything in this season just seemed to boom and unfortunately, that left some characters behind in confessional but it truly is one great season and the only reason it isnt higher is because the other seasons are really just as good if not better. Plus, Jeremy is another one of those extremely dynamic winners as well. It is also worth noting, that during the summer between 30 and 31 I had discovered The Evolution of Strategy and Rob Had A Podcast. So, it brought my fandom from Super Fan (or more likely super casual) to Super Duper Fan (or more likely regular super fan) and for that reason this season is even higher.

Naye745: 5 - the hype for this season was huge, with the fan vote and reveal during the Worlds Apart finale. players went into the season with the weight of expectations and it showed, but that led to an exciting game. perhaps suffers from modern-era "big moves" syndrome, but ultimately highlighted the social strengths and weaknesses of its main characters, rewarded a strong winner, and was full of hype and tension from end-to-end.

GTM: 7 - stephen chopping a branch is me with life

Illuminatus: 9 - No writeup

Mana Sword: 10 - No writeup
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08/07/18 1:56:18 AM
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FBike: 13 - Unlike the previous All-Star season (HvV) the producers decided to throw twists at the cast to keep the players on their heels. They might as well have not bothered, as the cast themselves were what brought most of the drama to this season.

DoctorBlind: 16 - I was so hyped heading into this season. Loved the cast reveal despite some unfortunate choices. Those that did get to play brought their A games, and it was nice seeing some of the older generation attempt to adapt with the new style of play. Couldve been better balanced though.

darkx: 27 - I think I have thoroughly explained my dislike for this incredibly popular season enough, so I'll just say that it was a gigantic disappointment to see literal fan favorites reduced to BIG MOVEZ gamebots and character content almost completely ignored. Plus its popularity has steered the show in a very bad direction.

YoRyan: 29 - if you ever wanted to point fingers at everything wrong with survivor nowadays, look no further than Cambodia

Inviso: 30 - Ive said it before and Ill say it again: Cambodia has ruined Survivor. Everything wrong with modern Survivor stems from the casual success of Cambodia, and the producers, rather than thinking fans loved this season because they got to vote the cast in and thus had emotional investment in all the players, instead thought we can half-ass the edit and base entire seasons around strategy and voting blocs and trust clusters that have no rhyme or reason to a casual viewer, but they loved Cambodia, so theyll love it again! Cambodia is a soulless season. Someone on Reddit described it as the ultimate strategy season, and I can agree with that. But for me, having complicated strategy play out every single episode doesnt matter if Im given no reason to care about the player getting blindsided. Its a poorly edited season in which the fan vote gave a handful of characters and a bunch of gamers, and then chose to completely shunt the characters into the background in favorite of repetitive strategy talk from an obnoxious finalist who is given FAR too generous of an edit for someone who gets blown out in the final vote. It just feels likewhy bother having returning players if youre gonna reduce the entire cast to gamebots, all treating each other like chess pieces? Thats boring and it sucks.
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08/07/18 2:10:36 AM
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This is what standard deviation was made for!
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Inviso
08/07/18 7:15:22 AM
#35:


Thank GOD.
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08/07/18 8:51:49 AM
#36:


I like how the bottom 3 results are more based on things that didnt have to do with the actual season and more with what has come after. Wow.
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08/07/18 9:00:28 AM
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eaedwards6400 posted...
I like how the bottom 3 results are more based on things that didnt have to do with the actual season and more with what has come after. Wow.

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08/07/18 9:06:10 AM
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Inviso - 119
YoRyan - 105
DoctorBlind - 102
Illuminatus - 100
eaed - 84
darkx - 84
Mana Sword - 82
GTM - 72
Naye745 - 67
BlueCrystalTear - 64
FBike - 53
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08/07/18 9:23:39 AM
#39:


Inviso posted...
Thank GOD.


like in season 23?
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Espeon
08/07/18 9:29:53 AM
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The season is highly flawed, and has negatively influenced the direction of the show. Everything bad about Ghost Island or Game Changers or any of the post-Cambodia seasons is a direct result of those flaws being overlooked by the fan base. Hell, you yourself admit that the things you dislike in MvGX are present in Cambodia, but you overlook them in Cambodia because you like the cast. For me, enjoyment of a cast cant overcome huge flaws in a season. Thats why I still rank Game Changers in my twenties, because even though the cast is great, its still got all the fucked up flaws of Cambodia or MvGX.
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08/07/18 9:33:16 AM
#41:


This list sucks and I am done bye
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Underleveled
08/07/18 11:13:47 AM
#42:


eaedwards6400 posted...
I like how the bottom 3 results are more based on things that didnt have to do with the actual season and more with what has come after. Wow.

Only Ryan's is, actually. Inviso and I both point out what's wrong with the season itself and we have both gone into tremendous depth about what we find wrong with the season in the past.

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Naye745
08/07/18 1:24:14 PM
#43:


i mean its not like this wasnt expected, but its still disappointing

like i love some of survivor's big characters and think there's too much idol stuff too, but the idea that anyone would watch the show for reasons and characters other than those favored by a certain subset of people has become a crazy idea among some members of this community and i just dunno what to say about that other than "survivor doesnt exist just for you" tbqh
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Underleveled
08/07/18 1:26:21 PM
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Naye745 posted...
i just dunno what to say about that other than "survivor doesnt exist just for you" tbqh

That's fine but we still have the right to dislike the seasons that aren't for us. Refer to the second paragraph of my above post.
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Naye745
08/07/18 1:26:24 PM
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(and yes, fwiw, please feel free to like or dislike the season as you see fit. the result isn't the thing that some of us find irritating, it's the insistence that those of us who love cambodia are somehow in the wrong. this is on inviso more than you, of course)
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eaedwards6400
08/07/18 1:32:03 PM
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Underleveled posted...
eaedwards6400 posted...
I like how the bottom 3 results are more based on things that didnt have to do with the actual season and more with what has come after. Wow.

Only Ryan's is, actually. Inviso and I both point out what's wrong with the season itself and we have both gone into tremendous depth about what we find wrong with the season in the past.

I like how fans of Cambodia like to accuse Inviso and I of "not being able to understand/accept how someone can like something we dislike" while at the same time those same people cant seem to understand/accept how we could dislike something they like.


But you both made sure to mention that future seasons outcomes in your cambodia write ups.
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Naye745
08/07/18 1:38:04 PM
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at the risk of throwing out a super hot take, a lot of my interest in survivor comes from a background of watching tons of game shows and sports growing up. in those competitions, sometimes players' personalities shine, but the game at its core is the most important part, and why i as a fan am compelled to keep watching.

on survivor, as a longform "reality" show, i think it's definitely more important to showcase personalities and keep fans invested, but i still come back to that background of being excited and compelled by the game itself. in cambodia, we had the benefit of already "knowing" most of the cast, and so seeing them go at it from week to week, being unsure of where anything was going, and seeing how the action played out was a big part of the drama. i'd still contest any notion that all the players were "gamebots" or whatever, but regardless i also feel like i didn't need a detailed storyline on who abi, savage, or keith was to get a sense of who they were. it didn't have to be a "big character" season like exile island to be exciting, and that's okay.
there's not one single recipe to survivor being good, and for that reason especially, i don't think cambodia "ruined" survivor despite definitely being a contributor to its recent bad seasons - things will change, ideas will work/not work, and some of us will move on. that's just inevitable.
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Underleveled
08/07/18 1:42:03 PM
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eaedwards6400 posted...
Underleveled posted...
eaedwards6400 posted...
I like how the bottom 3 results are more based on things that didnt have to do with the actual season and more with what has come after. Wow.

Only Ryan's is, actually. Inviso and I both point out what's wrong with the season itself and we have both gone into tremendous depth about what we find wrong with the season in the past.

I like how fans of Cambodia like to accuse Inviso and I of "not being able to understand/accept how someone can like something we dislike" while at the same time those same people cant seem to understand/accept how we could dislike something they like.


But you both made sure to mention that future seasons outcomes in your cambodia write ups.

But is it not fair to judge the legacy something leaves behind as part of the thing itself?

I could tolerate S19 Hantz WAY more than I do had it not been for the shitty Survivor history he turned the next seven seasons into.

(Oh and by the way this happened the same way the current slump happened - the audience at large blindly loving what was being shoved down their throat until the same flavor by a different name suddenly tasted sour)
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Naye745
08/07/18 1:43:29 PM
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but what about heroes v villains? i'd say that more DIRECTLY contributed to the problems of the following six seasons, and i'd be quite surprised if that's anywhere outside the top 10.
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The Mana Sword
08/07/18 1:49:03 PM
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I think it's a little weird to rate enjoyment of a season outside of a vacuum. If you don't like a season on it's own merits, I think that's fine, but docking it points for theoretical ramifications to later seasons seems bizarre.

Though I'm also not nearly as personally invested in Survivor as I was 5 years ago, so maybe this stuff just doesn't matter that much to me.
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