Poll of the Day > The whole premise of Aquaman is stupid - spoilers

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There is this underwater kingdom, right? In which Aquaman has never lived nor does he know the culture, understand it's people, the financial situations and so on, yet he is gonna go fight the current ruler, hopefully win, and rule, right?

How does this begin to make sense?
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He is half atlantean, he is of royal blood, and becoming king instead of his brother is the only thing that will prevent a war between the atlanteans and humans.
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Your mama is king of Atlantis

Viking_Mudcrap posted...

How does this begin to make sense?

Trump in a nutshell
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Imagine if Obama had been born in Kenya and for the 2020 elections we flew over to Kenya and had him brought to the States to fight Trump for the presidency.

It makes perfect sense.
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Foppe posted...

He is half atlantean, he is of royal blood, and becoming king instead of his brother is the only thing that will prevent a war between the atlanteans and humans.

So, just because he is from "royal blood" means he has the knowledge to rule a nation that he has NEVER lived in?

Please read that and tell me it makes any sense whatsoever.

You'll put someone who has not even LIVED there to guide a whole nation.

One thing is not to have experience, another is never lived there and have no understnading of how they live. Not to mention the trailer does nothing to show he has any kind of education that would allow him to lead a nation he knows nothing about.

Quality fucking writting.
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This sounds like some dumb shit the characters in a Kevin Smith movie would argue about

Boo

Viking_Mudcrap posted...

Foppe posted...

He is half atlantean, he is of royal blood, and becoming king instead of his brother is the only thing that will prevent a war between the atlanteans and humans.

So, just because he is from "royal blood" means he has the knowledge to rule a nation that he has NEVER lived in?

Please read that and tell me it makes any sense whatsoever.

You'll put someone who has not even LIVED there to guide a whole nation.

One thing is not to have experience, another is never lived there and have no understnading of how they live. Not to mention the trailer does nothing to show he has any kind of education that would allow him to lead a nation he knows nothing about.

Quality fucking writting.

He does it to prevent a war that will cause the death of millions, even if he learned nothing from his parents he will learn.
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Kinda sounds like the plot to Black Panther from Kilmonger's POV too OP.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

Kinda sounds like the plot to Black Panther from Kilmonger's POV too OP.

Just because BP also has a shit plot doesn't make Aquaman any less shit.
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Viking_Mudcrap posted...

So, just because he is from "royal blood" means he has the knowledge to rule a nation that he has NEVER lived in?

You're acting like this hasn't been the guiding principle of monarchy for thousands of years worth of human history.

There's ALWAYS been a perception that royal blood is more important than pretty much ANYTHING. After all, you can put pretty much any asshole on the throne and surround him with advisors, counselors, or puppetmasters who make all the decisions for him. But what you can't do is take the most gifted commoner and magically give him royal blood, heritage, and the divine right of kings bestowed by whatever higher power you believe in.

England, 1714. Queen Anne, last surviving ruler of the House of Stuart, dies without leaving an heir. The British trace established bloodlines back to the nearest existing descendant of King James I (his great-grandson) who happens to be a middle-aged German-born noble. They immediately whisk him off to England, where he is crowned George I (establishing the House of Hanover) - in spite of the fact that he knows absolutely nothing about Britain, and literally cannot speak English (to the point where the citizens tend to look down on him for being an idiot, and otherwise have very little respect or reverence for him). His son (George II) was also born in Germany and was about 30 years old the first time he ever saw England, and HIS son (George III) is the one we always think of generally doing nothing other than being the king who lost the American colonies and then eventually going insane.

And while the house name changed after Queen Victoria (because royal lines pass through male lines, not female), that same line of kings that started with a German and which contained at least one lunatic, one sex addict, and one borderline Nazi (who almost became king shortly before WWII) is still the bloodline sitting on the throne today.

(Technically speaking, the House should change again once the current Queen Elizabeth's heir inherits, but they actually passed a law in the 1950s specifically to change that, because she wasn't having none of that shit.)

It only feels weird to you because we don't really think that way anymore, and because you didn't grow up in a monarchy.


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ParanoidObsessive posted...

England, 1714. Queen Anne, last surviving ruler of the House of Stuart, dies without leaving an heir. The British trace established bloodlines back to the nearest existing descendant of King James I (his great-grandson) who happens to be a middle-aged German-born noble. They immediately whisk him off to England, where he is crowned George I (establishing the House of Hanover) - in spite of the fact that he knows absolutely nothing about Britain, and literally cannot speak English (to the point where the citizens tend to look down on him for being an idiot, and otherwise have very little respect or reverence for him). His son (George II) was also born in Germany and was about 30 years old the first time he ever saw England, and HIS son (George III) is the one we always think of generally doing nothing other than being the king who lost the American colonies and then eventually going insane.

Hey, that is a neat story, thanks.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

And while the house name changed after Queen Victoria (because royal lines pass through male lines, not female), that same line of kings that started with a German and which contained at least one lunatic, one sex addict, and one borderline Nazi (who almost became king shortly before WWII) is still the bloodline sitting on the throne today.

Isn't that just pathetic? Imagine living in a country in which your taxes go so the "royal family" can be comfortable.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

It only feels weird to you because we don't really think that way anymore, and because you didn't grow up in a monarchy.

No worries, I understand the logic. It's still illogical and fucking stupid. The fact that "Royalty" still exist ins some parts of the world and that people watch the "Royal Wedding" or call someeone a "prince" is illogical and stupid.

You really outta check your reality if you think someone life has a higher value than your own just becuase they were born to a speficic family.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

Kinda sounds like the plot to Black Panther from Kilmonger's POV too OP.

Black Panther honestly goes back past the notion of monarchy to an even earlier determinant of rule, where heredity was less important than personal strength, and the chief of a tribe only held power so long as he could personally defend it - and thus other members of the tribe could challenge to take his place via single combat. The advent of agriculture and settlements tended to do away with that logic (as nomadic tribes settled, conquered territory, and kings slowly changed from war leaders to rich men who could afford to pay others to fight for them), but it was an accepted concept that humans embraced many times and places in history.

(And at least from the Western perspective, African culture has always been somewhat backward, so those sorts of tribal traditions lasted far longer there than they did in places like Europe or Asia.)

As they even say in the movie, it's an outmoded and dangerous mode of thinking - but it's also tradition, so they'll keep doing it. Especially since they seemingly have no reason to STOP - the normal practice is ceremonial at best, and has apparently never before (at least, that we know of) resulted in someone grossly unsuited to rule taking over the throne. If anything, Killmonger himself is the one of the only Wakandans in history to ever be in a POSITION to be raised outside of Wakanda, find his way back, and potentially challenge for rule without understanding anything about the nation or its people. But by the end of the movie, they're already starting to reconsider the old ways and assumptions.

The entire POINT of Black Panther is basically that people need to find ways to balance tradition with innovation, embracing the worthwhile new while still cherishing the old - to not mindlessly cling to the past, but also not simply abandoning it entirely. T'Challa's rule will likely be the most progressive one the kingdom has ever seen, and any number of old assumptions are likely going to be examined and questioned, and some of them will probably be left behind.


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Viking_Mudcrap posted...

The fact that "Royalty" still exist ins some parts of the world and that people watch the "Royal Wedding" or call someeone a "prince" is illogical and stupid.

You really outta check your reality if you think someone life has a higher value than your own just becuase they were born to a speficic family.

Do you despise leadership? Royalty is classic government, but instead of a hydra where if you knock out one politican you get two worse ones, when you kill the monarch, you get to make absolute commands of the people at threat of being lynched.

Just like Communism, an absolute authority gets the best results in ideal conditions, in the case of England, the Monarchy is tempered with government so the monarch can focus on being a people pleaser.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Do you despise leadership?

Not at all, but it should be earned by hard work and having the means to accomplish the task to set out.

Here, we have an outsider, who is supposed to rule a nation he knows nothing about to prevent war.

Someone here mentioned that the leader is a puppet with a council -yadadadad - Well, why doens't this council stop the war? Is there really no citizen (or other royal) who can run for king? OR dethrone the current one if they do not want war?

The whole idea that you can bring someone that knows nothing of a culture to rule over them is completely idiotic.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

monarch can focus on being a people pleaser.

So, he taxes of the poeple from England, who come from people's salary, which comes from their jobs, which comes from their time, which comes from their lives needs to the monarch so they can be "people pleaser" Why not entertain themselves in other fashions?

Or you think it's logical for millions, upon millions of people to slave away their lives in the form of jobs just so the "royal family" can "please the people"

Right..........
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