Current Events > Abyss is the best Tales game, change my mind.

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Graces F had the power of Friendship and the best dungeon song ever.

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How could you ever beat that song?
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Berseria exists. But Abyss is easily second.
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Graces had by far the best battle system, but meh story. Abyss had the most interesting story, but I haven't played Vesperia so I'll soon see. Also, Abyss had one of the antiquated meh battle systems, where you can actually beat every boss iwth 3 caster and 1 melee, just standby at the each corner, have them spell cast, melee just wack a guy, run to his back, wack a guy, and you can beat every boss in the game that way.

It's pretty silly, compared to the crazy shit that Graces let you pull
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The MC in Abyss was so unbearable that I stopped playing it
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He gets better. It's a good payoff.
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Darksaber310 posted...

Vesperia, Destiny, Berseria, and Graces f exist. But Abyss is easily fifth.

FTFY
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never played any of em but have mild interest in the series. I have a GameCube and was thinking about getting symphonia but also have ps4 but anywaysss dont really know much about em
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Darksaber310 posted...

He gets better. It's a good payoff.

Yeah this is true. In terms of character development, he's easily the most developed MC out of all the Tales. But the obvious problem is that they started too low like idiots. They should've shown some of his more positive qualities earlier on
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Eternia
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legendarylemur posted...

Darksaber310 posted...

He gets better. It's a good payoff.

Yeah this is true. In terms of character development, he's easily the most developed MC out of all the Tales. But the obvious problem is that they started too low like idiots. They should've shown some of his more positive qualities earlier on

I do plan to pick it back up at some point
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Abyss was really easy but had the worst difficulty method of calculation. IIRC unknown difficulty was like, all enemies x20 to hp, and x10 for stats, meaning most bosses at least capped out on defense. So unless you used a 9999 stat boosted devil arm, you'd basically take forever to kill most super bosses. At least you could infinitely juggle them and dodge every attack but one with free run. The one you can't avoid is a one time "this boss only uses it in the second highest or highest difficulty as they get hit to 50% HP" type of attacks. That boss being the final fight against the clone of ion, something the tempest?.
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gunplagirl posted...

Abyss was really easy but had the worst difficulty method of calculation. IIRC unknown difficulty was like, all enemies x20 to hp, and x10 for stats, meaning most bosses at least capped out on defense. So unless you used a 9999 stat boosted devil arm, you'd basically take forever to kill most super bosses. At least you could infinitely juggle them and dodge every attack but one with free run. The one you can't avoid is a one time "this boss only uses it in the second highest or highest difficulty as they get hit to 50% HP" type of attacks. That boss being the final fight against the clone of ion, something the tempest?.

Yeah even worse, I did a hard mode run on my first playthrough. Every attack did 1 damage unless I piled on a bunch of spells at the same time, which did a bit more cuz it caused the stun or whatever? Didn't help they had 10k hp+. The thing is, I was always like 3-5 levels above them, too. Did nobody think that people were gonna try hard mode to start off?
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legendarylemur posted...

Darksaber310 posted...

He gets better. It's a good payoff.

Yeah this is true. In terms of character development, he's easily the most developed MC out of all the Tales. But the obvious problem is that they started too low like idiots. They should've shown some of his more positive qualities earlier on

That's just it though, Yuri was already like 23 when he was the main character. He was grown and had a developed personality and worldview, but his main growth was opening up to others and trusting them to the point that he would put himself in danger for them or trust them to handle things. It's why the whole Schwann ordeal really hurt him so much, even if there'd been times before that where the group suspected something bad was coming they almost always got pleasantly surprised.

But to expect an adult like Yuri to suddenly change his personality and worldview after the journey, it's a bit unreal. A teenager like Luke changing after witnessing things around the world and learning the truth about himself and whatnot, that definitely works. Compare that with Edge from star ocean 4 though, where a teenager suddenly gets put in charge of such a massive mission and all the stuff that changes him, it went several steps past melodramatic.
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yur correct, so I cannot
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legendarylemur posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Abyss was really easy but had the worst difficulty method of calculation. IIRC unknown difficulty was like, all enemies x20 to hp, and x10 for stats, meaning most bosses at least capped out on defense. So unless you used a 9999 stat boosted devil arm, you'd basically take forever to kill most super bosses. At least you could infinitely juggle them and dodge every attack but one with free run. The one you can't avoid is a one time "this boss only uses it in the second highest or highest difficulty as they get hit to 50% HP" type of attacks. That boss being the final fight against the clone of ion, something the tempest?.

Yeah even worse, I did a hard mode run on my first playthrough. Every attack did 1 damage unless I piled on a bunch of spells at the same time, which did a bit more cuz it caused the stun or whatever? Didn't help they had 10k hp+. The thing is, I was always like 3-5 levels above them, too. Did nobody think that people were gonna try hard mode to start off?

It's why they totally reworked difficulty stuff by the next game. Better AI, not necessarily. More aggressive, definitely. More attacks and higher frequency of certain ones, etc. But without also making the enemy have defenses that leave you spending half an hour spamming attacks. Even with ng+ inheritance, it's just tedious as hell.
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Tales of Graces F had the best opening song in Japanese & English.
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It was called white wishes or something? It is nice. I prefer xillia's theme but the theme for graces f is one that I can listen to at any time and not get tired of.
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You right TC

I really dont like those games. I played Symphonia and I enjoyed that one, but I played both Xillia games and those were two of the worst games that Ive ever played. Then there was one where the character was named Asbel. That game sucked.

I dont really have much drive to go forward with this series after those three.
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Beseria and Hearts R are the best.
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I didn't like Abyss. I hated almost all the characters, the story was boring, and the pacing was awful because there was too much backtracking. Had to force myself to finish it.

Regarding the battle system, I made the mistake of playing Graces F first, so Abyss felt like a downgrade.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Tales of Graces F had the best opening song in Japanese & English.

That's a funny way to spell Zestiria
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bump
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I guess i can't really say its the worst since Zestiria exists, but its pretty close to the worst abyss just because of the god awful cast.
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all those games are the same shit anyway
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Abyss is easily the best tales game.
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No Tales game will ever have a better line than "Friendship is the courage that turns dreams into reality" therefore Dawn of the new World is the best
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Chewisbeast posted...

No Tales game will ever have a better line than "Friendship is the courage that turns dreams into reality" therefore Dawn of the new World is the best

i wonder if there's an official count of how many times that line is said

Vesperia bb, even though it's plot went full stupid. That combat was too fun.

I liked Abyss' group dynamic though, because they're just a bunch of assholes who all seem to lowkey hate eachother.
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Chewisbeast posted...

No Tales game will ever have a better line than "Friendship is the courage that turns dreams into reality" therefore Dawn of the new World is the best

Lots of truths that turns dreams into reality in this post
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the pacing in Abyss is terrible, otherwise it's fine

I like Hearts the most

I'll say this much for those who are sad we've not got every title over in the West.

Take everything bad people frequently agree on about FFXIII, XV, and Pokemon BW1 and you'd still probably have a better game than Tempest. I never even paid money to get a copy to play and I still wanted my money back. I was WARNED about how the ending just pops up and you're like "it's way too soon for that" and I still was taken aback by how short it is.
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I want a Tempest remake that makes it good

The only truly amazing JP "exclusive" is Destiny DC. The others are whatever.
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Berseria would be better if the gameplay didn't break when you played as the main character but it does so
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Yeah, I switched stopped using Velvet like 5 hours in lol
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SuperShake666 posted...

Eternia

^5
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For me:
- Abyss has the best story out of all the Tales of games (and that's really not saying much.)
- Vesperia, Graces F and Xillia 2 have the best battle systems.
- Vesperia (PS3 only, and the upcoming remaster) and Graces F have the most content overall.
- Tales of Zestiria was the most disappointing entry for me
- Berseria was nice.

Overall, my favourite Tales of game is Tales of Vesperia (PS3).
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Second_Chances posted...

I want a Tempest remake that makes it good

You'd have to get like, 2 extensions to the story on par with the Lineage and Legacies (F) arc from Tales of Graces to fix the length issue, though you could do it like Vesperia and chuck it into the main plot. As for gameplay, well. :/ Total rework like Hearts to Hearts R is definitely possible. Story wise though, the big issues besides the length are... *shudders* Remember the shift from act 2 of abyss to about 2 hours into act 3 where Luke suddenly is having some self doubt issues that didn't get explored enough to feel justified? Imagine similar skips in characterization that make things feel oddly paced for a non-remake game to come out in the DS era.
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Graces f was probably my favorite, maybe because it's just a bit more polished overall than Abyss. Abyss is amazing, and I played it both on ps2 and 3ds, but it just kind of feels a bit drawn out. I seem to like Berseria a lot less than most people but haven't finished the game yet. Symphonia seems cool but I only played it when I was at my friend's, so I never saw the whole game.

Really pumped for Vesperia: played like 10 minutes of it at a friend's house and it seemed to be super interesting from what I saw.

I wish I had the interest to replay all these games.
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Now I've only played three Tales games but of those:

Abyss was amazing
Symphonia had a cool world but suffered hard from awful pacing and the worst villain of all time
Phantasia had good characters but that damn mineshaft killed it
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If you think symphonia has a terrible villain, you should see xillia's. he's a bad guy. Now an ally against other universe people. Now he's bad again and using that super unstable "sister" against the party. Oh and he spams mystic artes every 20-30 seconds. Woo.

At least with vesperia the real villain who caused everything to to to heck got built up. Then the final villain was basically a plot extension but a new dungeon in the ps3 version added a bit of backstory to make things slightly better addressed, even if it is post game or ng+ restricted.

Vesperia ps3 is one of the best games I've ever played, especially since you can equip 16 Artes at once. Even just having 8 in abyss could be annoying for mega combo exhibitions, and abyss had it so you could OL reset your entire combo and end in a mystic Arte.
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gunplagirl posted...

Vesperia ps3

This is actually the reason I stopped buying Namco games.
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Darksaber310 posted...

He gets better. It's a good payoff.

this. Luke redeemed himself well on part 2.

Ash somehow absorbed all Luke's douchebagness as the strory progress , ironically

DevsBro posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Vesperia ps3

This is actually the reason I stopped buying Namco games.

It's namdai now

And all you missed was like 2 movie tie ins, fighting the thing linked to the fell arms but that's also immune to them, and Flynn actually joining. Patti doesn't change much at all except add new banter to raven. The changes overall are like the difference between star ocean 4 on 360 and the international ps3 and later HD releases on PC and ps4. Vesperia was actually complete as is and it's not like anyone saw hearts r coming so the exclusive argument was weak as hell since we actually had got a version of the game 2 years prior in the west.
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MasterOfSex posted...

Darksaber310 posted...

He gets better. It's a good payoff.

this. Luke redeemed himself well on part 2.

Ash somehow absorbed all Luke's douchebagness as the strory progress , ironically

Luke had that one fragment the entire time and ultimately got in the way of Ash from the getgo. Plus he destroyed that one city, akzeriuth? And ash tried to stop him. And Luke ran from responsibility and when he finally did accept it, ash was forced to try his best to keep van and his cohorts away from the party at times. And of course ash died because of Luke. So. *shrugs*
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gunplagirl posted...

DevsBro posted...

gunplagirl posted...

Vesperia ps3

This is actually the reason I stopped buying Namco games.

It's namdai now

And all you missed was like 2 movie tie ins, fighting the thing linked to the fell arms but that's also immune to them, and Flynn actually joining. Patti doesn't change much at all except add new banter to raven. The changes overall are like the difference between star ocean 4 on 360 and the international ps3 and later HD releases on PC and ps4. Vesperia was actually complete as is and it's not like anyone saw hearts r coming so the exclusive argument was weak as hell since we actually had got a version of the game 2 years prior in the west.

Well and playing the game.

I never had a 360.
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Okay? We at least got a us release and it isn't like the other half dozen titles we never got.
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