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CeraSeptem
07/19/18 10:48:28 PM
#351:


New Day is a perfect example of not going with what you think works, but just going with what does. They turned into the skid and it worked wonderfully, but Vince is either too stupid or stubborn to do it for others.

READ: Roman
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DeathChicken
07/19/18 10:51:49 PM
#352:


They also had to all threaten to retire the moment the team breaks up
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CeraSeptem
07/19/18 10:52:52 PM
#353:


Oh God is that true? Didn't know that part. Well good for them for having the guts.
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Lopen
07/19/18 10:55:17 PM
#354:


Yeah I think New Day worked because they didn't care about being fired or whatever. If they're threatening to quit over a breakup they probably shot down a few bad ideas too over the years I'd imagine
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DeathChicken
07/19/18 10:58:45 PM
#355:


Yeah, on one of the Table for Threes Xavier was like "As soon as New Day is over, I'm out to get my PHD" and Kofi was like "As soon as it's over I have nothing left to do, I'm retiring to be with my family." Big E was like "Eh, guess I'm out too, why not"
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Jakyl25
07/19/18 11:37:58 PM
#356:


Ha, looking at the fan poll in the latest Observer, the Iron Man placed 3rd for MotN and 2nd for Worst MotN

Divisive!

(MotN was AJ/Rusev at 1, Lashley/Roman at 2. Worst MotN was Carmella/Asuka)
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Jakyl25
07/20/18 12:21:54 AM
#357:


Dave (surprisingly intelligently IMO) talks about why WWE thought the locker room would accept Hogan, and why in reality most didnt

My own feeling on this is WWEs decision makers, who are not African-American, probably should have talked individually to the African-American talent about this subject before making this decision, to understand what many of them felt around his remarks. Instead, it appears they came in with the idea hes Hulk Hogan and they grew up with him in their childhood and hes an icon in the sport and oh well, he said some bad things a dozen years ago without realizing that to some, those things arent stuff you blow off. The fact that the unhappiness of the Hogan return seemed so much more vehement among the group his racist remarks would have stung the most isnt surprising. It would be very difficult for white executives or people who were not African-American and grew up with a hero-worship of him to understand how they would feel. And I want to make it clear that weve had contact with a number of wrestlers on the roster about this, both African-American and not African-American, and all but one, even though nobody said anything there because it wasnt their place, is that what Kofi Kingston and/or Titus ONeil said represented their thinking in most cases. This was not African Americans being upset and non-African Americans thinking everything was fine and not looking at it the same way.

And this was a group that for the most part would have been willing to accept Hogan, but felt he made himself the victim of being filmed without his knowledge and his case was used as a warning to talent as opposed to addressing the remarks or coming off as sincerely apologetic.

The reality is that he no doubt will come across as they hoped upon this realization because like everything, this is not about sincerity or evil, but simply a failure to understand the room and a younger generation of talent that didnt grow up hearing those kind of words in their daily lives, or did but no longer feels they need to ignore and accept them as part of life as their ancestors grudgingly and bitterly felt they had to.

Another thing to keep in mind is the age issue. Vince McMahon is almost 73 and comes from a different generation. Levesque turns 49 next week and he was 15 years old in 1984, when Hogan being the top star in the business. Mark Henry is 47, and grew up on Hulkamania. Kofi Kingston is 36. When he was 12, it was 1994. Hogan was a big star, but he was at the end of his babyface run, and in Boston, it was more the era of Bret Hart. Big E is 32, so when he was 14, it was 2000. Hogan was a nostalgia act in his childhood, and thats a very different emotion.

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Eddv
07/20/18 7:19:52 AM
#358:


Tom Bombadil posted...
I was just idly wondering last night if they're ever gonna pull a heel turn

like the first week or two they were talking about how being all goofy and happy kept the darkness from getting out or something and that'd be a kinda fun angle to go with it someday

wwe is a big fan of 4-year character arcs right


They're the freaking Boko United of WWE.

Sure, they could have broken up and made a true singles star of Big E a while ago but they'd rather just keep having fun.
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XIII_rocks
07/20/18 7:30:45 AM
#359:


Eddv posted...
They're the freaking Boko United of WWE.


Oh my god

You're so right
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PrivateBiscuit1
07/20/18 12:50:32 PM
#360:


WWE Twitter post that legitimately fills me with dread:

BREAKING: Commissioner @StephMcMahon will appear LIVE this Monday on #RAW to deliver a historic announcement!
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HashtagSEP
07/20/18 12:53:09 PM
#361:


Something something women's revolution, something something Ronda Rousey
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Lopen
07/20/18 1:08:01 PM
#362:


True story Stephanie (and Hunter) are what started my trend of "fast forward 85% of Raw"

I guess I can thank them for reducing my tolerance for bad television
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PrivateBiscuit1
07/20/18 1:26:41 PM
#363:


On the flip side, WWE finally does a documentary on Kalisto.

https://www.wwe.com/videos/kalisto-redeems-himself-for-the-good-lucha-things-debacle
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ZeroSignal620
07/20/18 1:50:55 PM
#364:


Extreme Rules has passed, so it's only right to do a title history update!

WWE Championship - Out of 50 total superstars, AJ Styles sits in 14th place with 395 days. On Sunday, he'll pass Shawn Michaels for 13th, then next is CM Punk with 462 days as champ! Also, Styles only needs 26 more days to pass JBL's 280 reign to become the longest reigning world champion in SmackDown history!

Universal - Brock still #1 with 474 days and counting. Moving along...

IC - Dolph Ziggler just passed The Rock for 13th place (out of 80) with 342 total days. Next is Shelton Benjamin with 354!

US - Jeff Hardy's first reign ends at exactly 90 days, making him tied for 52nd with Alberto Del Rio. Shinsuke Nakamura becomes the 92nd US champ in history and is currently in 91st place with 5 days, just recently passing Raven's 24 hour reign. Next up is Edge, Jinder, and Tajiri in that order!

Raw Tag - Matt Hardy finishes in 20th place with 219 days, just passing Eddie Guerrero before Extreme Rules. Bray Wyatt finishes in 46th place with 79 days, just passing Dean Ambrose. Curtis Axel currently is in 40th place with 96 days and can pass Heath Slater and Justin Gabriel in a week. Bo Dallas becomes the 80th Raw Tag champion in history and is in 77th place with 5 days! Next up is Batista's 14 days as champ!

SD Tag - Harper's in third (out of 13) with 124 days, Rowan in 4th with 101. Long way to go to reach The Usos' 329 days.

Raw Women's - Alexa adds to her lead, now with 368 total days across 3 reigns.

SD Women's - Carmella makes her way to 4th place with 101 days; next up is Alexa's 110 days as champ.

Cruiserweight - Cedric Alexander only needs 6 days to pass Enzo Amore for 2nd place (out of 8), as he has 103 days to Enzo's 108. Neville still holds the lead with 232 days.

Made Up Titles Us/The PWB Follow
WWE's The Man: Brock Lesnar
Raw Jobber Champion: Curt Hawkins
SD Jobber Champion: The Miz
Raw Women's Jobber Champion: Bayley
SD Women's Jobber Champion: Sonya Deville
Cruiserweight Jobber Champion: Vacant
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scarletspeed7
07/20/18 1:52:58 PM
#365:


Please end the Bludgeon Brothers title reign :(

Also, go AJ. This is the little title reign that could. I'm pulling for him to pass as many guys as possible at this point since they're all top tier talents left on the list (except Pedro Morales).
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Tom Bombadil
07/20/18 2:20:21 PM
#366:


XIII_rocks posted...
Eddv posted...
They're the freaking Boko United of WWE.


Oh my god

You're so right


man no wonder they are my faves
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Jakyl25
07/20/18 5:51:17 PM
#367:


Oh, duh, Stephs announcement on Monday is the all-womens PPV
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PrivateBiscuit1
07/20/18 5:53:43 PM
#368:


Meeeeh. Would have been more than excited for Cross-Brand Women's Tag Titles.
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Maniac64
07/21/18 12:04:22 PM
#369:


Hey now, Boko United was behind my giant title run.

Attitude might be the same but we won way more titles. Just shows that UCA had better booking lol.
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davidponte
07/21/18 1:17:47 PM
#370:


I'm betting we get the Women's PPV and Tag Title announcement at the same time.

They need to fill the card somehow, and some guy on Reddit who is apparently credible in the wrestling belt world said the belts are done.
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Jakyl25
07/21/18 1:19:45 PM
#371:


Rich Swann out of Slammiversary with a concussion

PRESUMABLY out at least. You never know with TNA <_<
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ScareChan
07/21/18 10:11:30 PM
#372:


watching smackdown now

shinsuke is really getting good at his promos
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NBIceman
07/22/18 2:18:49 PM
#373:


~5000 attendance (which apparently was probably even inflated a bit on the official report) for the CIMA-less Dragon Gate Kobe World show should really put to bed all remaining arguments against CIMA as a WON Hall of Famer. Dude pretty much was that whole company.
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ShatteredElysium
07/22/18 3:30:26 PM
#374:


Don't know how big she is but I met Amber Nova yesterday. She said she wrestled for WWE on Wednesday. Not sure if it was a tryout or whatever but she said she was hoping to sign with them. She seemed pretty cool and grounded, hope she does well

Also met someone who just went by the name SETH but apparently he was a former MMA fighter and beat Kimbo Slice. He seemed nice too

Edit: Googled him. Seth Petruzelli is what he's called.
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voltch
07/22/18 3:31:44 PM
#375:


Probably Seth Petruzelli, who beat Kimbo when he wasn't supposed to resulting in a promotion getting shut down.
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ShatteredElysium
07/22/18 3:32:56 PM
#376:


Yeah I googled him as you posted it, that was the guy.
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Eddv
07/22/18 10:28:07 PM
#377:


Man Slammiversary has been awesome

Gonna have to finish it later but:

- fucking love Fenix
- Tessaisforever. Girl is a fucking phenom. She is everything Charlottes heel character is not. She is Regal.
- Cage/Sydal was fucking awesome
- I love this LAX angle - can't wait to see where they take this.
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Jakyl25
07/23/18 12:36:26 AM
#378:


Eddv posted...
Man Slammiversary has been awesome

Gonna have to finish it later but:

- fucking love Fenix
- Tessaisforever. Girl is a fucking phenom. She is everything Charlottes heel character is not. She is Regal.
- Cage/Sydal was fucking awesome
- I love this LAX angle - can't wait to see where they take this.


There is such a natural feud between Charlotte and Tessa. It needs to happen some day.
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TheRock1525
07/23/18 2:58:50 AM
#379:


Elias' album came out.
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ScareChan
07/23/18 3:55:47 AM
#380:


other smackdown thoughts

Dillinger's look is way better and a more serious attitude can help him, Have him and Nak feud for a month or so

They desperately need to use Joe. Joe going for Bryan seems pretty natural to me But he should go after AJ as well
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Eddv
07/23/18 6:10:29 AM
#381:


Jakyl25 posted...
Eddv posted...
Man Slammiversary has been awesome

Gonna have to finish it later but:

- fucking love Fenix
- Tessaisforever. Girl is a fucking phenom. She is everything Charlottes heel character is not. She is Regal.
- Cage/Sydal was fucking awesome
- I love this LAX angle - can't wait to see where they take this.


There is such a natural feud between Charlotte and Tessa. It needs to happen some day.


Yeah Tessa is so damn good.

She just fucking gets it.
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PrivateBiscuit1
07/23/18 4:50:26 PM
#382:


So I actually found have all the desire and will to watch Raw tonight sapped from me because of Stephanie being announced to be on it. Like, I can't bring myself to have any desire to see it now. And then I think of anything else I could do and it just makes sense to not put it on tonight.

It's amazing what one person being announced for it does to me. The prospect of Roman vs Lashley again doesn't interest me enough either.
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Lopen
07/23/18 4:52:13 PM
#383:


If I watched live Stephanie announcement in advance would definitely make the show auto-skip for me.
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RaidenZeroX
07/23/18 5:10:10 PM
#384:


Don't you want to see how they somehow work Stephanie slapping Kurt into this major announcement for the women's division?
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Jakyl25
07/23/18 5:11:49 PM
#385:


Lashley vs Roman again is so dumb

Way to make your PPV match that you built heavily to utterly meaningless
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HashtagSEP
07/23/18 5:17:20 PM
#386:


Clearly they realized their mistake of Lashley winning the last one and need to correct it
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RaidenZeroX
07/23/18 5:19:22 PM
#387:


Jakyl25 posted...
Lashley vs Roman again is so dumb

Way to make your PPV match that you built heavily to utterly meaningless


That definitely is confusing. It would make sense if Lashley won clean again to set himself up as a bigger threat to Brock, but I don't think they'd leave Roman out of this match since he's the future and all that. Guessing Roman wins tonight so the PPV match was 100% meaningless, or it ends with a no contest or something along those lines to set up a triple threat.
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PrivateBiscuit1
07/23/18 5:29:25 PM
#388:


What killed it for me is that everyone else comes out and goes "Hey, I deserve a shot at Brock Lesnar because of x." And then Roman comes out and says "I got no excuses for my loss. I just want to fight someone." So the dude who had no interest in a title shot and got his ass kicked fairly just gets handed a chance for a title shot. And then we'll get a repeat of a match that not a lot of people cared about the first time it happened. And then Kurt goes on to tell Baron Corbin he doesn't deserve a title shot because he lost at the PPV.

Just... Blech. WWE has a way of making their shows so unappealing sometimes.
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StealThisSheen
07/23/18 5:29:54 PM
#389:


If Lashley actually wins clean, I will be very pleasantly surprised
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ExThaNemesis
07/23/18 5:40:45 PM
#390:


So time to catch up on four nights of G1 that I missed because of work.
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Lopen
07/23/18 6:01:24 PM
#391:


Lashley winning clean again would actually be a decent way to build Brock vs Lashley if by some miracle they're going with that. Then you'd have two guys who fairly decisively have Roman's number facing off which gives it a bit more intrigue than it would if Lashley just won once.

But I'd call that the third most likely result behind Draw/No Contest (I expect this for the cop-out Triple Threat) and Roman winning.
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TheRock1525
07/23/18 6:14:42 PM
#392:


I guarantee you we're getting a non-finish and a triple threat at Summerslam.
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RaidenZeroX
07/23/18 6:22:04 PM
#393:


TheRock1525 posted...
I guarantee you we're getting a non-finish and a triple threat at Summerslam.


I think this is the most likely scenario. Its disappointing in so many ways, since Lashley vs. Brock one on one could be a good match and it seems to have some people interested, but if its one on one itll just be Roman/Brock again.
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Jakyl25
07/23/18 6:24:08 PM
#394:


I like Lance Storms idea to just declare MitB to be under 24/7 rules and have Strowman fight Brock out in the wilderness somewhere
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RaidenZeroX
07/23/18 6:26:11 PM
#395:


Jakyl25 posted...
I like Lance Storms idea to just declare MitB to be under 24/7 rules and have Strowman fight Brock out in the wilderness somewhere


That would be more interesting!

I still want to see what they do with Strowman stating hell cash in the moment Brock shows up. Guessing its ignored
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PrivateBiscuit1
07/23/18 6:27:54 PM
#396:


RaidenZeroX posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
I like Lance Storms idea to just declare MitB to be under 24/7 rules and have Strowman fight Brock out in the wilderness somewhere


That would be more interesting!

I still want to see what they do with Strowman stating hell cash in the moment Brock shows up. Guessing its ignored

I guess Kurt would get that four-way match he wanted to make!
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Jakyl25
07/23/18 6:45:19 PM
#397:


Dont make Braun so stupid to cash in on a 3-way before the match starts
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Tom Bombadil
07/23/18 7:46:09 PM
#398:


His name ain't Brain Smarman
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RaidenZeroX
07/23/18 8:19:19 PM
#399:


https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1020798207209738240

This is gold.
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