Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time

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The only way they can make this any good at all is if Brock wins again and Roman attacks him post match and like brutalizes him and then BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUNNNNN
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ExThaNemesis posted...

The only way they can make this any good at all is if Brock wins again and Roman attacks him post match and like brutalizes him and then BRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUNNNNN

That's literally the way out of this imo.

Sets up a bigger and gimmickrf Brock/Braun down the linr
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And IDK about you guys but I'm actually a little excited to see how bad the New York crowd demolishes this match.

It's going to be a disaster.

And I'm kind of wondering if that crowd won't throw in some 10-1 countdowns in Ziggler/Rollins just to be dicks.
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I'm really not interested in watching crowds shit on shows anymore. I've been trending away from the main roster in part due to this. I want to watch a show where the characters aren't constantly contradicted by their audience. That involves smarter writing and wrestling that has an air of impact to it. Sadly, I just can't get that from WWE except in NXT and sometimes on Smackdown.

I wouldn't say I'm a WWE hater. I like a lot of the talent. I just don't enjoy the writing at all anymore. Especially since Wrestlemania, it has been particularly toothless and mediocre. I really get into wrestling for the storytelling first and foremost, but things like an audience that won't even let a match out of the gate becomes frustrating for me at some point. It hurts my investment if I'm watching people shit all over the product. You can just palpably feel when something is hated in the wrong way, and for me, it makes me distance myself from that product in favor of something more exciting, where there is an investment by everyone on-screen.
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Yeah, like I said. I'm tired being at odds with WWE's booking and constantly battling who they want me to cheer for. It's not even a thing where I want these brutal heels to be a face or anything. When you have a guy with an entertaining act that's perfect for being a face like Rusev Day, or someone who is so utterly unlikeable and stale like Roman Reigns and they refuse to listen to fans at all... It's just ridiculous and I don't understand why they fight it. Why can't they just work with the fans? Wouldn't that be easier? Imagine if we had Seth Rollins vs Brock Lesnar here. How fun of a match would that be where we could actually be on the same page and cheer for Seth Rollins to dethrone the Beast? Why can't they tell stories like this anymore? Instead we have to sit there and then watch a crowd riot against another Roman Reigns match and then feel nothing when Roman wins, because they made sure we can't even care about Brock at this point either.
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I'm over crowds who think they're cool by shouting unnecessary stuff. Just watch the damn show or go get some food lol
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I don't think crowds are shitting on Roman because they think it makes them cool. They're voicing actual displeasure. Not that it gets through to anyone, but I think the emotions are genuine.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

I'm over crowds who think they're cool by shouting unnecessary stuff. Just watch the damn show or go get some food lol

If there was a mass exodus to the restrooms, it would say a lot more than just shouting shit at the ring.
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Also, Hangman Page's new theme is so fuckin cool.

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Just watched the Okada match. Pretty solid. Page needs a ton of work on the mic but he's real good in the ring. Could be a star in the future.
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ExThaNemesis posted...

I don't think crowds are shitting on Roman because they think it makes them cool. They're voicing actual displeasure. Not that it gets through to anyone, but I think the emotions are genuine.

I would say it is 50/50. 50 actual emotion 50 those shitheads that are actually arrogant enough to chant "we are awesome"
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I wish they would work with the fans more. They miss so many things that could have been amazing, like if they struck at the right time with Braun instead of holding course for Roman, or pretty much everything with Rusev Day. The last really big moment that I can think of was Wrestlemania 30, and that's because they listened to the fans, told a great story, and gave us what we wanted to see. After that it's been more about what the senile old man wants instead of what the fans want.
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Anyway all you guys complaining about this stuff.

NJPWWorld is only $9.99 if you wanna watch a product that doesn't actively fight against its fans.
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Cheaper than that actually

999
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Yeah but foreign currency transaction fees
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Yeah, I have my Impact, Lucha Underground and New Japan to watch still. Hell, I might even try ROH if I get desperate, but I generally don't enjoy ROH TV that much.
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As Bryan Alvarez said the worst part about the audience hijacking Rollins/Ziggler is it's no longer nearly as an effective tool to protest Roman Reigns because it gives the image that the audience is just full of jackasses that want to put themselves over

There are reasons to be upset when a no heat Ironman Match is last but I think they should've probably not done it because it's too hard to convey what upsets you about that match on that show through random chanting
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I wonder what the odds are of things getting so bad during the match that the planned finish of Roman's coronation gets changed in the middle of the match to BRAAAAUUUUUUUNNNNN
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All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 452: WWE - Who Watches, Even?
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ExThaNemesis posted...

Anyway all you guys complaining about this stuff.

NJPWWorld is only $9.99 if you wanna watch a product that doesn't actively fight against its fans.

Stardom is like 7 bucks

The production quality reflects threat but never you mind
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RaidenZeroX posted...

I wish they would work with the fans more. They miss so many things that could have been amazing, like if they struck at the right time with Braun instead of holding course for Roman, or pretty much everything with Rusev Day. The last really big moment that I can think of was Wrestlemania 30, and that's because they listened to the fans, told a great story, and gave us what we wanted to see. After that it's been more about what the senile old man wants instead of what the fans want.

I would feel Rollins cashing in in the middle of Roman/Brock would be giving into the fans.
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eaedwards6400 posted...

I would feel Rollins cashing in in the middle of Roman/Brock would be giving into the fans.

That was a while ago, so I don't remember everything clearly. Wasn't Rollins a heel at that point? I don't recall the anti-Roman stuff being as big as it is right now either. People weren't turning away from the product because of him, they just wanted someone else as the top guy. Am I misremembering this stuff?
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CeraSeptem posted...

All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 452: WWE - Who Watches, Even?

"l SAID "WWE" STANDS FOR"
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Raw down 3%. Lol
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You almost hope more people tune out or turn over to Smackdown in order to help push the message, but I think we're close to bottom levels in terms of audience.
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From the Impact Tapings

- Scarlett Bordeaux made her Impact debut. She talked about wanting to be part of a revolution for women's body issues and said she won't be "hot shamed."

Oh TNA
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That might actually be cute if they frame it right. I mean, it is LOLTNA, but it's also a completely different regime.
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An interesting note, which is very much the exception to normal patterns, is that the women audience was more loyal, and actually grew, while the male audience was the one less interested as the show went on.

In women 18-49, the first-to-third hour growth was 10 percent while the male drop was one percent. With teenage girls, the first-to-third hour growth was 15 percent while the male drop was seven percent.

The three hours were:

8 p.m. 2.82 million viewers
9 p.m. 2.82 million viewers
10 p.m. 2.70 million viewers

Ladies Love Cool Reigns
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I think it says a lot that there was 10% growth vs. 1% drop and it's a clear overall drop. It used to be way more even with men and women.
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Dave: I find this late October date interesting considering theyre going back to Saudi Arabia in November

LOL
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Lopen posted...

As Bryan Alvarez said the worst part about the audience hijacking Rollins/Ziggler is it's no longer nearly as an effective tool to protest Roman Reigns because it gives the image that the audience is just full of jackasses that want to put themselves over

There are reasons to be upset when a no heat Ironman Match is last but I think they should've probably not done it because it's too hard to convey what upsets you about that match on that show through random chanting

This is one of the main points I was making

It's gonna make them think crowds are just shitheads and they'll listen even less than they already do
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Yeah. I never said I agreed with the audience doing it, just that I fully understood why they did it and that I don't really judge them too much for it. (And that it was avoidable with different booking but I'll not go down that one again)
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RAW was good (for a change) but Fuck Reigns/Lesnar again
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So Matt Riddle got hired by WWE because New Japan decides they wanted him. Lol
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It's official?
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Not OFFICIAL official but its Meltzer confirmed
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Can't wait to photoshop Riddle shaking Triple H's hand
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^ *in Inbetweeners' mocking voice* "Oooh, Meltzer!" (!)
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Tom Bombadil posted...

ExThaNemesis posted...

Anyway all you guys complaining about this stuff.

NJPWWorld is only $9.99 if you wanna watch a product that doesn't actively fight against its fans.

Stardom is like 7 bucks

The production quality reflects threat but never you mind

Chikara is $7.99.

Just throwing that out there.
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Can someone please tell me why Hardcore typed "Oooh, Meltzer" and didn't reference Chavo's theme? Or why he's still pushing his anti-Meltzer agenda?
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Reunited and it feels so good:

https://imgur.com/Gbhriz9
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I heard James Ellsworth was fired. :(

Why did they seriously just bring him back for this Asuka feud? The guy is so good and you can get mileage out of him.
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...

I heard James Ellsworth was fired. :(

Why did they seriously just bring him back for this Asuka feud? The guy is so good and you can get mileage out of him.

I don't know if he's gone for a while again, or if they just needed to write him out so he wouldn't interfere in Becky/Carmella. The story they seem to be going for right now is that Carmella can't win without Ellsworth.
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Hey all,

Ive been contemplating going to a NXT Live event or NXT Takeover (I dunno about the commute to Brooklyn but fuck it does sound like a good use of a night) but I dont really follow wrestling so much, may go with my SO who knows nothing about it, and Im not sure how the mat looks when youre far away compared to how close you are (otherwise I would just pick Takeover)

Is it worth going to it?
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Do people actually unironically like Ellsworth?
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I don't think I like him ironically.

I don't think I like him at all. As a person I'm sure he's fine, but James Ellsworth does not improve WWE programming in any way.
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Ellsworth vs aj was legit good
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I appreciate his ability to be a complete shit-head despite being incredibly untalented in the ring and getting his ass-kicked for it.
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Who can hate no chin music
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LiquidOshawott posted...

Hey all,

Ive been contemplating going to a NXT Live event or NXT Takeover (I dunno about the commute to Brooklyn but fuck it does sound like a good use of a night) but I dont really follow wrestling so much, may go with my SO who knows nothing about it, and Im not sure how the mat looks when youre far away compared to how close you are (otherwise I would just pick Takeover)

Is it worth going to it?

It's totally worth it to go to an NXT Takeover. If you're high up, you can still see the ring just fine. They have a giant screen above the ring you can glance to in order to get details.
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stop watching wwe
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