Board 8 > All-Purpose Wrestling Topic 451: Clocks are banned so it's no longer Vader Time

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TheRock1525
07/15/18 11:12:13 PM
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Thanks for killing Vader, Pittsburgh.
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Jakyl25
07/15/18 11:12:57 PM
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TheRock1525
07/15/18 11:15:29 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
10!


Summoning Tye Dillinger won't bring him back, JaKyL.
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ScareChan
07/15/18 11:18:43 PM
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this topic title made me sad and you should feel sad
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ExThaNemesis
07/15/18 11:47:38 PM
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In the morning I watched Kenny Omega and Tetsuya Naito put on an absolute classic.

Tonight I come home to read about how the WWE fans spent all of Ziggler/Rollins trolling about the fucking clock during their iron man match.

WWE and its fans truly deserve one another.
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GTM
07/15/18 11:56:57 PM
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scarletspeed7
07/16/18 12:01:15 AM
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ExThaNemesis posted...
In the morning I watched Kenny Omega and Tetsuya Naito put on an absolute classic.

Tonight I come home to read about how the WWE fans spent all of Ziggler/Rollins trolling about the fucking clock during their iron man match.

WWE and its fans truly deserve one another.

Remember last year how people were really down on NXT fans getting themselves over? At least when they got themselves over, they were also getting over the workers. And now at Takeovers they really have become mark-ish, true fans. The WWE mainliners, meanwhile, are just becoming untenable.
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eaedwards6400
07/16/18 12:02:46 AM
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I didn't feel like the counting down was that big a deal.

Also, I love it when NJPW fans get on their high horse.
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Jakyl25
07/16/18 12:02:48 AM
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I sometimes wonder if WWE fans wouldnt rather be treated to a show where each act comes out one by one and just says a few things for them to chant and react to.

And maybe the transition from one act to another involves a finisher being hit
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Jakyl25
07/16/18 12:04:48 AM
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Oh god now Im worried I just broke wrestling by laying the dissected parts bare
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ExThaNemesis
07/16/18 12:06:13 AM
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eaedwards6400 posted...
I didn't feel like the counting down was that big a deal.

Also, I love it when NJPW fans get on their high horse.


I'm obviously not talking about anyone in this topic.

But I will definitely get on my high horse and act superior to the people at the show live tonight, because I am.

Jay White vs Hiroshi Tanahashi tonight will be better than everything at Extreme Rules.
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Jakyl25
07/16/18 12:06:34 AM
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ExThaNemesis posted...
In the morning I watched Kenny Omega and Tetsuya Naito put on an absolute classic.

Tonight I come home to read about how the WWE fans spent all of Ziggler/Rollins trolling about the fucking clock during their iron man match.

WWE and its fans truly deserve one another.


Kevin Owens took the Foley bump off the cage roof for this crowd!
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scarletspeed7
07/16/18 12:07:14 AM
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ExThaNemesis posted...
Jay White vs Hiroshi Tanahashi tonight will be better than everything at Extreme Rules.

But it won't have the unbridled rage of a Josh Barnett.
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ExThaNemesis
07/16/18 12:10:27 AM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Kevin Owens took the Foley bump off the cage roof for this crowd!


That crowd and that company don't deserve Kevin Owens or AJ Styles
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ExThaNemesis
07/16/18 12:10:37 AM
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Or Seth Rollins, for that matter.
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Jakyl25
07/16/18 12:11:18 AM
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ExThaNemesis posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Kevin Owens took the Foley bump off the cage roof for this crowd!


That crowd and that company don't deserve Kevin Owens or AJ Styles


Youre gonna hate to hear that the rumor mill says Bryan is staying
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XIII_rocks
07/16/18 12:16:02 AM
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eaedwards6400 posted...
I didn't feel like the counting down was that big a deal.

Also, I love it when NJPW fans get on their high horse.


I have never ever gone after a crowd for "getting itself over". Actually, I think I've gotten annoyed with "we are awesome" before, but that's it

This really was beyond the pale though. Really, really fucking annoying after like the first two times.
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Jakyl25
07/16/18 12:16:16 AM
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eaedwards6400 posted...
I didn't feel like the counting down was that big a deal.


I really dont get this. The entire point of wrestling a match in front of an audience is to incite and channel and sometimes manipulate their emotions in real time to create (or to intentionally deny) catharsis.

People just doing moves in front of a loudly distracted audience for 30 minutes is, to me, intolerably disharmonious.
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Lopen
07/16/18 12:29:00 AM
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I fully believe if the show was 3 hours instead of 4 the fans wouldn't have trolled it as much

Putting a 30 minute iron man match, the one guaranteed to be a long match, on last when people already want to go home about an hour ago was a blunder. Aj Rusev should've main evented
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GTM
07/16/18 12:30:34 AM
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well I have become a filthy casual who only watches 1 wrestling show a month now
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TheRock1525
07/16/18 12:32:23 AM
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I'd agree if they hadn't trolled it in the dumbest and obnoxious way possible.

WWE literally gives you two great wrestlers in a match guaranteed to go 30 minutes and this is how they acted.

Its absolute garbage and no one should be defending it.
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GTM
07/16/18 12:37:52 AM
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https://twitter.com/WWERollins/status/1018693432376741888
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Lopen
07/16/18 12:39:50 AM
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I'll be the bad guy and say I would probably be trolling it if I were there because of the poor card placement and not caring a lick about Rollins vs Ziggler as a build even if they can work.

However I didn't even watch the PPV so I mean, yeah I'm of the feeling that you should be doing something better with your time if that's how you're approaching the show. Speak with your wallets not stupid chanting.
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ExThaNemesis
07/16/18 1:08:43 AM
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as someone who multiple times shouted TWINKIES at Todd Sinclair, I probably shouldn't talk.

But to be fair I was a lot younger then.
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Jakyl25
07/16/18 1:10:49 AM
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I think there might be room in the archive for that match as WWEs first foray into Dadaism.

There was literally no point to the trolling. The crowd just universally decided nearly immediately that counting down from 10-1 and making a buzzer sound every minute for 30 minutes was the most entertaining thing they could reasonably do with that time.

Its a real breakdown of the idea that humans are rational animals
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Jakyl25
07/16/18 1:11:43 AM
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ExThaNemesis posted...
as someone who multiple times shouted TWINKIES at Todd Sinclair, I probably shouldn't talk.

But to be fair I was a lot younger then.


Yeah but I doubt you would do it along with his PINFALL counts
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Jakyl25
07/16/18 1:15:34 AM
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And the reaction to taking the clock away was to do the countdown incessantly until the clock returned

Theres something really psychologically interesting about a crowd groupthinking these decisions with minimal coercion
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Jakyl25
07/16/18 1:21:13 AM
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ScareChan
07/16/18 1:25:11 AM
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Jakyl25 posted...
I sometimes wonder if WWE fans wouldnt rather be treated to a show where each act comes out one by one and just says a few things for them to chant and react to.

And maybe the transition from one act to another involves a finisher being hit


I would love this

except when there is a very good match being put on
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Jakyl25
07/16/18 1:31:25 AM
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https://streamja.com/5KzN

Dolph and Seth chatting about the crowd in a rest hold

Its worse than when the clock was up!
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ExThaNemesis
07/16/18 1:31:57 AM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Yeah but I doubt you would do it along with his PINFALL counts


no that was how I did it

ONE

TWO

TWINKIIIIIIIIES
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ExThaNemesis
07/16/18 1:33:02 AM
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Jakyl25 posted...
https://streamja.com/5KzN

Dolph and Seth chatting about the crowd in a rest hold

Its worse than when the clock was up!


LMAO

"That's why they shouldn't have taken it off"
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GTM
07/16/18 1:33:07 AM
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ScareChan posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
I sometimes wonder if WWE fans wouldnt rather be treated to a show where each act comes out one by one and just says a few things for them to chant and react to.

And maybe the transition from one act to another involves a finisher being hit


I would love this

except when there is a very good match being put on


Tbh i wouldnt mind this for one experimental show
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ScareChan
07/16/18 1:34:48 AM
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GTM posted...
ScareChan posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
I sometimes wonder if WWE fans wouldnt rather be treated to a show where each act comes out one by one and just says a few things for them to chant and react to.

And maybe the transition from one act to another involves a finisher being hit


I would love this

except when there is a very good match being put on


Tbh i wouldnt mind this for one experimental show


to me its how rock and austin got over!!
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ScareChan
07/16/18 1:35:13 AM
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Do you guys think that the overtime was supposed to go longer and they said fuck this crowd and thats why it was so quick?
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ScareChan
07/16/18 1:37:43 AM
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Jakyl25 posted...
https://streamja.com/5KzN

Dolph and Seth chatting about the crowd in a rest hold

Its worse than when the clock was up!


This makes me so mad

Ziggler finally gets his chance to main event
Rollins has been busting his ass
Drew has been working his ass off to look amazing
and they get this bullshit for no reason

There was a point where we even stopped caring about the match just to be mad at the crowd. I can barely tell you what happened after drew got thrown out
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Jakyl25
07/16/18 1:38:39 AM
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ScareChan posted...
Do you guys think that the overtime was supposed to go longer and they said fuck this crowd and thats why it was so quick?


No. Thats how they tell the story that Seth got screwed by time and really beat Dolph, because he had him pinned as time expired, and if the OT was automatic he would have won
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ExThaNemesis
07/16/18 1:43:05 AM
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Like I definitely have a bunch of smugness related to my NJPW fandom.

This has justified it to dangerous degrees. I may never get off my high horse again.
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NBIceman
07/16/18 1:48:08 AM
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Wrestling is so fascinating. It's the only form of entertainment where the audience are really treated as participants that are "supposed" to react a certain way. They're almost as much a part of the show as the actual performers. At the same time, they're paying customers, so they're not obligated to react in that certain way and it's really up to the company to connect with them in such a way that they do.

I wish wrestling was respected enough that any significant number of academics would study it the way they do television or music or what have you. It's such a unique medium that it would be really great to see the kind of theories folks would come up with. But, largely because of Vince, that will never happen.
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Jakyl25
07/16/18 1:48:09 AM
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Something that bothered me aside from the crowd

After Drew interferes and strategically gets Dolph DQed but get himself tossed out, he THEN hits a Claymore on Seth on his way out of the ring.

That realistically should have been a second DQ.
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Jakyl25
07/16/18 1:51:12 AM
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NBIceman posted...
Wrestling is so fascinating. It's the only form of entertainment where the audience are really treated as participants that are "supposed" to react a certain way. They're almost as much a part of the show as the actual performers. At the same time, they're paying customers, so they're not obligated to react in that certain way and it's really up to the company to connect with them in such a way that they do.

Its really the only thing I can think of where audience members intend to go to the event to be antagonistic to the performance not as protest, but as their way of enjoying the show.
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Jakyl25
07/16/18 1:57:09 AM
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NBIceman posted...

I wish wrestling was respected enough that any significant number of academics would study it the way they do television or music or what have you. It's such a unique medium that it would be really great to see the kind of theories folks would come up with. But, largely because of Vince, that will never happen.


Theres always Roland Barthes famous essay

https://faculty.georgetown.edu/irvinem/theory/Barthes-Mythologies-Wrestling-1957.pdf
Sadly, it was an evolutionary dead-end as far as academic wrestling analysis
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NBIceman
07/16/18 1:57:26 AM
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In other news, Jeff Cobb has signed with ROH.

They better push that man to the moon immediately. He should run through everybody and get a Samoa Joe-esque reign with the title. This is the guy with the biggest star potential that they're likely to get for some time now.
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NBIceman
07/16/18 1:58:14 AM
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Yeah, I've read some of Barthes' work. I've actually read a good bit of what little academic work there is on wrestling. It's just very rudimentary and, in a lot of cases, outdated.
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scarletspeed7
07/16/18 2:03:16 AM
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"The virtue of all-in wrestling is the spectacle of excess."

Wow first sentence in and he already predicted Cody Rhodes' greatest success.
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Panthera
07/16/18 2:07:05 AM
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Jakyl25 posted...

Its really the only thing I can think of where audience members intend to go to the event to be antagonistic to the performance not as protest, but as their way of enjoying the show.


Pro wrestling is a weird combination of things that no other medium really has - in this case, you have a lot of different performers that you may have very different opinions on. And unlike at a concert where you can go drink through the opener if you hate them, here you're kind of expected to be watching at all times, especially since you don't know exactly when any given match will happen. So it's not so much that people set out to troll the show to amuse themselves so much as they go to see the stuff they actually like, and then resort to weird shit during the parts they hate to keep themselves awake (even the people that bring beach balls aren't doing it because it's the only way they can enjoy anything, they do it because it's the only way they can enjoy certain parts of it).

And it doesn't help that tickets start being on sale long before you know what the card will actually contain. Or that companies and their management book what they personally like above all else. At a concert you can generally know the band will play most of their well liked stuff, at a wrestling show you often have little idea of what you're getting (see Hardy/Nakamura tonight, or 18 seconds for examples that show even things that are advertised aren't necessarily going to happen). Pro wrestling is weird in that you buy a ticket and have no clue whether or not any given segment will have even been booked with the intention of appealing to you as opposed to just appealing to whoever is in charge of booking and their buddies.
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ScareChan
07/16/18 2:08:51 AM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Something that bothered me aside from the crowd

After Drew interferes and strategically gets Dolph DQed but get himself tossed out, he THEN hits a Claymore on Seth on his way out of the ring.

That realistically should have been a second DQ.


I thought that too, but then where do you really call the line between first and second DQ? Is there a time limit to it? Because he did more offense after being DQ besides the claymore.

and in a kayfabe sense too how can you dq someone more than once that isnt in the match. Like basketball once someone is fouled you cant be fouled again on the same play
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Jakyl25
07/16/18 2:11:44 AM
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ScareChan posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Something that bothered me aside from the crowd

After Drew interferes and strategically gets Dolph DQed but get himself tossed out, he THEN hits a Claymore on Seth on his way out of the ring.

That realistically should have been a second DQ.


I thought that too, but then where do you really call the line between first and second DQ? Is there a time limit to it? Because he did more offense after being DQ besides the claymore.

and in a kayfabe sense too how can you dq someone more than once that isnt in the match. Like basketball once someone is fouled you cant be fouled again on the same play


I felt like defying the ejection was a specific, second foul
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ScareChan
07/16/18 2:14:24 AM
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specifically after an ejection you cant create a foul at all in basketball. See end of game 1 of the nba finals this year

and dolph was like passed out at the time so it can be hard to keep peanlizing him on that

It makes more sense I think for him to get fined for it in kayfabe

but a second dq makes sense too, either one really
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Jakyl25
07/16/18 2:18:10 AM
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NBIceman posted...
Yeah, I've read some of Barthes' work. I've actually read a good bit of what little academic work there is on wrestling. It's just very rudimentary and, in a lot of cases, outdated.


Specifically as it relates to that essay, the only thing I find outdated about it with regard to WWE is that we are no longer treated to a perfect evocation of what the CULTURE perceives as Justice (with a capital J), but rather purely what Vince perceives as Justice.

Someone should do a case study on Vinces mind purely based on traits he gives his babyfaces versus traits he assigns to heels
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