Board 8 > Ace Attorney Topic Part 7: The Letting (Spoilers for AA1-6, AAI1-2)

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go and moving on, that is

Line count data:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1sBPDmATQERIv7R3VvvXx43DRJZNOwnSwmLkZhfWLqSc/edit?usp=sharing

Time stats:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qSdmjcbQjG_QPBFylHNgk7oVXRbsSjDetdO8w7Ygh8k/edit?usp=sharing
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Apollo is getting to 10,000 I think. I can't imagine 6-5 gives him less than 2500

Athena seems headed for #6 for sure. I guess the only question left regarding the top ten's order is where Ema lands. I remember thinking she was pretty damn minor for a detective but she only needs a bit over 400 lines to hit #9.
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Well, she's gonna need more than that to pass Trucy because she has a substantial role in 6-2.

Ema testifies a good deal in SoJ though, and she's in every case with an investigation. She got 550 lines in AJ, and SoJ's a bigger game and her role is bigger. I think she'll end up at #9 and Trucy will be 10th.

I'm curious to see where Blackquill and Larry end up because they're the only characters in that group in the 1000 line range with lines left. I don't think either one will pass Pearl, but I wonder if they'll both be able to pass Lang or Klavier.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Well, she's gonna need more than that to pass Trucy because she has a substantial role in 6-2.

And a substantial role in 6-5. I think Trucy's linecount in 6-5 could be a mild spit-take.

Yeah, that's true. She's there quite a bit in the beginning of 6-5. I was surprised at her line count in 5-2, and her role in 6-5 is similar.
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Trucy is essentially investigation assistant for almost the entire first day (and then basically disappears)

but I think that's still good for 100 lines or so

Trucy's only around until shortly after you arrive in Kurain Village. Dhurke shows up almost immediately and takes the assistant role. Still, she and Dhurke talk quite a bit in that short amount of time because Apollo still doesn't have much to say to him yet.
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Is it just me, or are we running out of topic title ideas?
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if you've been paying attention we never had topic title ideas
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Tag
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Payne's new design and animations are fantastic
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SoJ's "Basics of the Case" theme is really good
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"This must be a new experience for you, Mr. Wright, being loathed by a client."

nope it's not the first time

Also, the Khura'in judge is so good in 6-1. He's the one who really sells you on how different and ultimately unjust the court system is. Ahlbl is also good across all his appearances as he reflects the changing mentality of the average citizen toward lawyers over the course of the game.
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LeonhartFour posted...

Payne's new design and animations are fantastic

He's now a royal Payne.
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I don't really like the Khura'in Judge; way too similar to the previous judge. I guess that's the joke (and it worked well enough with the Judge's Brother, since they are brothers) but at this point every damn judge being a slight modification of the same character feels incredibly lazy.

The Incredible Payne is great though. I felt he fell flat in DD but his SoJ appearance/role is the high point of 6-1 to me.
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but when they try to make the judge too different he just ends up being boring (see: English Judge in Layton/AA and the judges in DGS)

I think the Khura'in Judge is pretty different at first because he literally doesn't care about doing things the right way. He'd rather just be done with it and go home. His utter confusion on how to run a proper trial (since it's been decades since the last time he had to) is part of what makes 6-1 good, as well as the fact that he's openly antagonistic against Phoenix and delights in anything going wrong for him.

He becomes more like the regular judge in 6-3 and 6-5, but he's at his best in 6-1.
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it's kinda weird how three different intro cases have a power outage as a key aspect of the case
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"A Cornered Heart" so good
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LeonhartFour posted...

it's kinda weird how three different intro cases have a power outage as a key aspect of the case

Almost like they've run out of plots and started recycling. But all of them feel unique regardless.
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I mean 6-1 isn't a rehash of 1-1 or 3-1 but whatever

many of the murder plots share common points

I was just pointing out that this particular one seems to only show up in intros
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although one thing they're rehashing is names that pun on the word "patrol"
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LeonhartFour posted...

although one thing they're rehashing is names that pun on the word "patrol"

Obligatory reminder that Patricia Roland is a fan name
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it's also based on the pun of her Japanese name
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LeonhartFour posted...

it's also based on the pun of her Japanese name

A lot of names from the fan translation do that, but as I personally haven't played through most of GK2 I feel there's not much else I can say.
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I love it when everyone starts singing along with Andistan'dhin's testimony.
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Andistan'dhin's animations become so much better after the transformation. I love the one where he plays the guitar--excuse me, "dahmalan"--behind his head in particular.
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not that I'm an expert or anything but I do wonder if you could actually kill someone by hitting them over the head one time with a wooden guitar

I guess if you hit the right spot
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LeonhartFour posted...

not that I'm an expert or anything but I do wonder if you could actually kill someone by hitting them over the head one time with a wooden guitar

I guess if you hit the right spot

Well, this does remind me that Jake The Snake Roberts got his neck fucked up really badly with a non-gimmicked guitar shot from the Honky Tonk Man back in the day. Peeslub seems in good enough shape that he could pull that off.
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yeah as a wrestling fan all I think of is "Jeff Jarrett busted guitars over people's heads every week and none of them died" but I'm thinking from a skewed perspective
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People in Ace Attorney die really easily compared to real life in general, particularly from blunt trauma.

I wish the series weren't so madly in love with murder. You could do a lot with intended murder where the victim comes to but has only very limited memories.
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DGS has a couple of cases like that, actually.

and technically Layton/AA does too
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The Divination Seances are sort of like that. I mean the victim still dies but in a way you get to see what they thought happened.
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NeoElfboy posted...

People in Ace Attorney die really easily compared to real life in general, particularly from blunt trauma.

I don't know why they always have them die from single blows. Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch for Peeslub to kill Pothole with one guitar blow, but he could easily do it with several blows.
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Inga showing up at the end of 6-1 was when I knew SoJ was going places. Also, it's kind of interesting that you can glean from meeting him for the first time that he has prosopagnosia if you already know because Phoenix comments in his inner monologue about how Inga keeps looking him up and down like he's some exotic animal on display.

Also, the cutscene at the end between Dhurke and Datz doesn't feel like it belongs because shouldn't Datz still be in jail at this point? I guess I'm not perfectly clear on the SoJ timeline yet.

Anyway, 6-1 complete. That was more fun than I remembered. Numbers soonish.
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I think 6-1's alright in its best parts but for me it really drags in some places. It's a surprisingly long tutorial case and a lot of it is either going on about how corrupt the legal system is and how they want to kill Phoenix, or it's Peeslubn's music gimmick slowing things to a crawl. Was never a big fan of him personally.

Total lines by character:

1. Phoenix Wright - 20214
2. Miles Edgeworth - 15023
3. Apollo Justice - 6585
4. The Judge - 6307
5. Maya Fey - 4444
6. Dick Gumshoe - 4089
7. Kay Faraday - 3370
8. Athena Cykes - 3254
9. Franziska von Karma - 2314
10. Trucy Wright - 2273
11. Ema Skye - 1897
12. Mia Fey - 1418
13. Pearl Fey - 1230
14. Klavier Gavin - 1154
15. Shi-Long Lang - 1101
16. Simon Blackquill - 1022
17. Justine Courtney - 1016
18. Larry Butz - 1008
19. Raymond Shields - 971
20. Godot - 902
21. Bobby Fulbright - 700
22. Gregory Edgeworth - 649
23. Lotta Hart - 648
24. Tyrell Badd - 593
25. Dahlia Hawthorne - 578
26. Wendy Oldbag - 553
27. Sebastian Debeste - 521
28. Calisto Yew/Shih-na - 489
29. Adrian Andrews - 459
30. Winston Payne - 453
31. Manfred von Karma - 444
32. The Judge's Brother - 421
33. Shelly de Killer - 387
34. Lamiroir/Thalassa Gramarye - 382
35. Will Powers - 380
36. Simon Keyes - 380
37. Bikini - 351
38. Gaspen Payne - 335
39. Maggey Byrde - 323
40. Lawrence "Moe" Curls - 320
41. Kristoph Gavin - 319
42. Quercus Alba - 303
43. Valant Gramarye - 298
44. Luke Atmey - 292
45. Damon Gant - 285
46. Juniper Woods - 277
47. Ini Miney - 275
48. Angel Starr - 272
49. Ron DeLite - 271
50. Rhoda Teneiro - 268
51. Katherine Hall - 267
52. Blaise Debeste - 265
53. Regina Berry - 261
54. Jake Marshall - 257
55. Jean Armstrong - 251
56. Nicole Swift - 250
57. Lana Skye - 249
58. Victor Kudo - 247
59. Khura'in Judge - 242
60. Mike Meekins - 235
61. Marvin Grossberg - 234
62. Jacques Portsman - 231
63. Spark Brushel - 230
64. Frank Sahwit - 219
65. Alita Tiala - 219
66. Hugh O'Conner - 218
67. Marlon Rimes - 217
68. Patricia Roland - 217
69. Daryan Crescend - 216
70. Dane Gustavia - 209
71. Horace Knightley - 209
72. Florent L'Belle - 208
73. Maximillion Galactica - 203
74. Ben & Trilo Quist - 200
75. Yuri Cosmos - 199
76. Sasha Buckler - 198
77. Penny Nichols - 194
78. Phineas Filch - 192
79. Jinxie Tenma - 191
80. Ken "Acro" Dingling - 182
81. Iris - 181
82. Herman Crab - 180
83. Damian Tenma - 179
84. Pees'lubn Andistan'dhin - 178
85. Furio Tigre - 176
86. Zak Gramarye - 174
87. Matt Engarde - 171
88. Sirhan Dogen - 170
89. Cammy Meele - 168
90. Morgan Fey - 165
91. Redd White - 162
92. Aristotle Means - 154
93. Solomon Starbuck - 154
94. John Marsh - 153
95. Robin Newman - 153
96. Delicia Scones - 151
97. Colias Palaeno - 150
98. Dee Vasquez - 148
99. Zinc Lablanc - 146
100. Desiree DeLite - 142
101. Ted Tonate - 141
102. Trilo Quist - 140
103. Wesley Stickler - 138
104. Cody Hackins - 135
105. Norma DePlume - 134
106. Olga Orly - 131
107. Lauren Paups - 130
108. Karin Jenson - 129
109. Myriam Scuttlebutt - 123
110. Aura Blackquill - 122
111. Guy Eldoon - 118
112. Ahlbi Ur'gaid - 116
113. Wocky Kitaki - 112
114. Di-Jun Huang - 110
115. The Phantom - 107
116. Richard Wellington - 107
117. April May - 104
118. Vera Misham - 104
119. Jay Elbird - 102
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120. Yanni Yogi - 98
121. Lance Amano - 92
122. Jeff Master - 90
123. Viola Cadaverini - 80
124. Director Hotti/Doctor Hickfield - 76
125. Plum Kitaki - 76
126. Terry Fawles - 74
127. Drew Misham - 74
128. The Bellboy - 72
129. Rayfa Padma Khura'in - 69
130. Ernest Amano - 68
131. Ponco - 66
132. Benjamin Woodman - 60
133. Sal Manella - 59
134. Chief of Detectives - 55
135. Bonnie Young - 53
136. Lisa Basil - 46
137. Clonco - 43
138. Machi Tobaye - 41
139. Orla Shipley - 40
140. Turner Grey - 39
141. Elise Deauxnim - 30
142. Widget - 27
143. Missile - 20
144. Polly - 20
145. Winfred "Big Wins" Kitaki - 20
146. The Amazing Mr. Hat - 19
147. Romein LeTouse - 13
148. Inga Karkhuul Khura'in - 11
149. Taka - 10
150. Shah'do - 6
151. Datz Are'bal - 1
152. Dhurke Sahdmadhi - 1

Overall total lines - 106162

Total lines by case:

2-4 - 5946
1-5 - 5913
3-5 - 5815
E1-5 - 4831
E2-5 - 4777
4-3 - 4494
3-2 - 4151
3-3 - 4063
E2-3 - 3959
4-4 - 3952
E2-2 - 3936
2-3 - 3884
5-2 - 3750
5-6 - 3616
4-2 - 3468
1-4 - 3466
5-3 - 3202
2-2 - 3119
E1-4 - 2935
E2-4 - 2868
1-3 - 2741
5-5 - 2550
E1-3 - 2412
5-4 - 2018
E1-2 - 1995
E2-1 - 1923
1-2 - 1773
4-1 - 1421
6-1 - 1362
3-4 - 1225
3-1 - 1167
5-1 - 1102
E1-1 - 1039
2-1 - 899
4-0 - 679
1-1 - 389

Total lines by character per case:

The Foreign Turnabout (6-1)

1. Phoenix Wright - 514 (37.74%)
2. Khura'in Judge - 242 (17.77%)
3. Gaspen Payne - 184 (13.51%)
4. Pees'lubn Andistan'dhin - 178 (13.07%)
5. Ahlbi Ur'gaid - 116 (8.52%)
6. Rayfa Padma Khura'in - 69 (5.07%)
7. Other - 40
8. Inga Karkhuul Khura'in - 11
9. Shah'do - 6
10. Dhurke Sahdmadhi - 1
11. Datz Are'bal - 1
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it's kind of weird that Phoenix goes away on his trip to see Maya right before Trucy's big television debut

especially since he shows up in Khura'in like two weeks early
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LeonhartFour posted...

it's kind of weird that Phoenix goes away on his trip to see Maya right before Trucy's big television debut

especially since he shows up in Khura'in like two weeks early

this has always bothered the FUCK out of me

also I'm realizing it might be kind of tricky at times during the investigation day to tell whether I'm talking to Bonny or Betty

and I'm glad they completely redid Trucy's sprite for SoJ because it looks so much better than her DD one
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I mean I sorta get why they did it the way they did because if you're going to have Trucy as a client, she's got a stronger connection to Apollo than Phoenix despite their father/daughter relationship, and it'd be even weirder if Phoenix were around and wasn't the one defending his daughter.

I guess it'd be better if they just changed the circumstances around her arrest a bit, like have her TV show not be set to air until after Phoenix is supposed to come back.
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Phoenix didn't original plan to go there early. He went because he thought Maya was in trouble:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7gsGg-MPX0" data-time="
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oh right I forgot about that prologue
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LeonhartFour posted...

oh right I forgot about that prologue

oh yeah, me too

the prologue never fucking gets brought up though and Phoenix doesn't act like he's worried about Maya in 6-1 so like

I don't even know if I consider it canon

Nah, he does say in the prologue of 6-1 that he came to Khura'in early because he was worried about Maya. He doesn't elaborate on why though.
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I'm about to replay 4-3. This is gonna suck.
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bwburke94 posted...

I'm about to replay 4-3. This is gonna suck.

it will be a lot more painless than you think

LeonhartFour posted...

Nah, he does say in the prologue of 6-1 that he came to Khura'in early because he was worried about Maya. He doesn't elaborate on why though.

But isn't it a part of Retinz's plan in 6-2 that he timed his scheme when Phoenix was out of the country?
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_SecretSquirrel posted...

LeonhartFour posted...

Nah, he does say in the prologue of 6-1 that he came to Khura'in early because he was worried about Maya. He doesn't elaborate on why though.

But isn't it a part of Retinz's plan in 6-2 that he timed his scheme when Phoenix was out of the country?

Phoenix left for Khura'in during the weekend of April 22-23. Mistree died the following Thursday, April 27.

If Retinz was planning to do it while Phoenix was away, he'd only have four days of prep time for the plan... yet Bonny and Betty could conceivably have been brought in as late as Wednesday.

(In true Ace Attorney fashion, I left a deliberate contradiction here. Let's see if you can figure it out.)
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