Poll of the Day > No, I just don't trust Square Enix to make another proper game in the series

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Why is that in the options? lol
I'm not liking their games as much lately as well. and they kinda lost their touch. but for such option to show up on the poll of the day of a very well known site, it sounds kind of biased and a shot at square-enix personally.

I wonder if SE will even take action against it at all?
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You seriously think that this would be considered slander?
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I made that poll. SE is threatening to take my children.
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I hope Square subpoenas the records from gamefaqs of everyone that voted for that option and takes action against them too.

Is there a way to report those voters to the mods?
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More like SE couldn't care more or less.
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tbh, FFT:WOL is in a class by itself. FFTA was fun, but inferior across the board (other than not using some unbalanced mechanics from the original). However, even another FFTA-quality game would be welcomed.
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quigonzel posted...

@Sarcasthma oh no!

You better do what they say!!

I could always make more children, though.
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It would be tight, but it'll never happen.
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@Zeus posted...

tbh, FFT:WOL is in a class by itself. FFTA was fun, but inferior across the board (other than not using some unbalanced mechanics from the original). However, even another FFTA-quality game would be welcomed.

Is FFT:WOL very different from the original FFT? I've yet to play that one. I also played both FFTA games (didnt finish FFTA2), liked both games for the classes variety, it's a nice lighthearted games...
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Exodiver posted...

Why is that in the options? lol
I'm not liking their games as much lately as well. and they kinda lost their touch.

so you agree with the option yet wonder why they included the option and think its biased?
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Exodiver posted...

@Zeus posted...

tbh, FFT:WOL is in a class by itself. FFTA was fun, but inferior across the board (other than not using some unbalanced mechanics from the original). However, even another FFTA-quality game would be welcomed.

Is FFT:WOL very different from the original FFT? I've yet to play that one. I also played both FFTA games (didnt finish FFTA2), liked both games for the classes variety, it's a nice lighthearted games...

I meant FFT:WOL in reference to the original, since I realized just saying FFT might be confusing (although this is apparently *more* confusing so I lose either way). I haven't played the PSP port although, iirc, I did buy it.

Otherwise, I'll just share that I haven't played FFTA2 (which, by the way, is the reason I avoided mentioning it -- that and I often forget it exists). Granted, I suppose *instead* of hoping that SE could make a new one, I could just track down a copy of that -- the same as with Mega Man Star Force 3.
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TheSlinja posted...

Exodiver posted...

Why is that in the options? lol
I'm not liking their games as much lately as well. and they kinda lost their touch.

so you agree with the option yet wonder why they included the option and think its biased?

I actually want another FFTA game despite SE underperformance
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FFT was an amazing, yet very flawed, game. War of the Lions was a welcome rerelease/update, yet it still had didn't address most of the flaws while it added new ones (dat slow down doe). The other games, for the GBA and DS, were deeply flawed and inferior in almost every aspect, save for the story of the first Tactics Advance, which I still enjoy, if only for the fact that you are arguably playing the villain who is seeking to destroy a world he deems to not be real.

I would prefer another game akin to FFT/War of the Lions, but not another Tactics Advance game.
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I'm pretty disappointed that that's one of the options instead of "No, I just don't like the Tactics series".

Liking FFT but disliking FFTA/2 is a common enough opinion to justify that option. FFTA is the direction Squenix seems to have taken the series, so rather than having their hopes raised by the announcement of a new FFT game that would likely disappoint them, those people would rather Squenix leave it alone.

Now, there's lots of room to criticize the "*Studio* shouldn't bother making games that I don't personally like" attitude, since that's just narcissistic and short-sighted, but that's another matter. The intent of the poll options is to reflect popular opinions on the matter, and that is a common opinion on FFT.

SOLDIER_Bankai posted...

I'm pretty disappointed that that's one of the options instead of "No, I just don't like the Tactics series".

It's not a perfect fit, but option 4 covers that well enough. Nobody should ever actively want a game to not be made just because they don't care for the series. Not caring because you have no further interest in it is a much more reasonable response than a flat "no."
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I don't really care one way or the other, but I did play the original. So I guess I hate Square Enix now.

I wonder if SE will even take action against it at all?

Yes, I'm sure they're quaking in their boots over the opinion on a niche enthusiast site.
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Square Enix need Yasumi Matsuno if they ever plan to have the series having such high level story telling
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Square Enix is now a big greedy corporation that create games for the mass, I don't want their games anymore. This company is dead to me. A new FFT couldn't been as great as the first one unless the exact same team works on it and WITHOUT any exterior influence.

I'm tired of these overly restrictive options. Where's the I've played the original and don't give a flying **** option? Alas, I can't vote.

If anything, it should have been a Tactics Ogre / Ogre Battle series poll. You know, the game that FF Tactics ripped off? I've been waiting forever for the conclusion of that saga. Why couldn't that be the poll?

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Exodiver posted...

Why is that in the options?

Because Squeenix hasn't done a single worthwhile thing since the merger, which effectively destroyed two great companies and replaced them with a single shitty one.

It's also part of why I have no real interest in Kingdom Hearts III at this point.


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Warrax posted...

Square Enix is now a big greedy corporation that create games for the mass, I don't want their games anymore. This company is dead to me. A new FFT couldn't been as great as the first one unless the exact same team works on it and WITHOUT any exterior influence.

This. Even the decent games in recent years (like Bravely Default) were made by separate studios and published by S-E. Good thing DQ is its own thing that cant be ruined by them.

The FFXIII series is garbage, FFXIV was a complete mess that had to be rebuilt from the ground up, the FFXII Remaster was a cash grab (no rebalancing after changing from single to dual classes so its easy), FFXV is still getting fixed. Then theres the million FF spinoff games that are FF in name only (Brave Exvius, FFRK, FFATB, FF Dimensions, World of FF, etc).
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FLOUR posted...

If anything, it should have been a Tactics Ogre / Ogre Battle series poll. You know, the game that FF Tactics ripped off?

The same guy led the development of both games.

Zeus posted...

tbh, FFT:WOL is in a class by itself. FFTA was fun, but inferior across the board (other than not using some unbalanced mechanics from the original). However, even another FFTA-quality game would be welcomed.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/699170/Fell_Seal_Arbiters_Mark/
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adjl posted...

Liking FFT but disliking FFTA/2 is a common enough opinion to justify that option.

A lot of it has to do with the story and tone of the game. As Brad from 4playerpodcast put it, "FFT begins when your childhood friend who you thought was dead kidnaps the princess you're protecting and starts a war. FFTA begins with a snowball fight."
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Zareth posted...

adjl posted...

Liking FFT but disliking FFTA/2 is a common enough opinion to justify that option.

A lot of it has to do with the story and tone of the game. As Brad from 4playerpodcast put it, "FFT begins when your childhood friend who you thought was dead kidnaps the princess you're protecting and starts a war. FFTA begins with a snowball fight."

That's not an entirely fair comparison to make. A game's start doesn't have to immediately drop you into the central conflict of the story; it's not at all uncommon to spend time introducing the world and its characters so that there is an established baseline for daily life before the central conflict shows up and disrupts that.

Making the comparison between the overall tones and stories? Sure (I won't try, having not played FFT myself, but sure). But comparing just the opening scenes like that? That doesn't really tell you anything.
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adjl posted...

That's not an entirely fair comparison to make.

Brad from 4playerpodcast in a nutshell. >_>
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Exodiver posted...

I wonder if SE will even take action against it at all?

Against what?

The only action they should take is develop good final fantasy games again.

Zareth posted...

adjl posted...

That's not an entirely fair comparison to make.

Brad from 4playerpodcast in a nutshell. >_>

Fair enough.
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Sarcasthma posted...

quigonzel posted...

@Sarcasthma oh no!

You better do what they say!!

I could always make more children, though.

I doubt it.
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I voted "Sure, I enjoyed the original, I'd play another tactics game set in that universe".
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That should definitely be a poll option on any SE franchise game. Square has no clue what the fuck theyre doing. Id rather not have another FFT game if its going to be anywhere near the garbage tier quality of the XIII Saga or XV. The last decent mainline FF was 17 years ago. Too bad it didnt die with dignity but keeps shitting in its Depends at the family reunion and casually dropping racial epithets.
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the poll kinda assumes that it would be based on the Advanced series, or makes it seem like the original game is set in the same world as those. kinda annoys me. all I want is a Final Fantasy Tactics 2. I had Advance 1 and it was fun for a while but it's not the same. never played the later sequels. But I want a REAL Tactics game again. not a story about kids in a dreamworld. it doesn't have to be set in the same world as Tactics 1. they can do the thing they do with all FF games. but have the spirit of Tactics 1 and put it on ps4

The top poll option is the biggest crock of shit. A "fourth" game in the series? I'm still waiting for the second.

why is not caring mutually exclusive to never playing?

i don't care, but the other games were fine.

They may make it an ARPG where "tactics" can only be found in the title. I'd still want to play that, though.
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mophead420 posted...

The top poll option is the biggest crock of shit. A "fourth" game in the series? I'm still waiting for the second.

THIS^
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Because Squeenix hasn't done a single worthwhile thing since the merger

Agree that they've gone downhill, but wouldn't go that far.
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Warrax posted...

Square Enix is now a big greedy corporation that create games for the mass, I don't want their games anymore.

As opposed to the old big corporation which... was a non-profit?

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Exodiver posted...

Why is that in the options?

Because Squeenix hasn't done a single worthwhile thing since the merger, which effectively destroyed two great companies and replaced them with a single shitty one.

It's also part of why I have no real interest in Kingdom Hearts III at this point.

Strongly disagree, if only for Final Fantasy Explorers. (Unfortunately it's super-niche and therefore unlikely to see a sequel.)
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@Mr_Hangman posted...

Others like FF8 mostly show how incredibly lazy they are, unwilling to fix problems that are as simple as they are egregious like ruining the OST.

SE made port for FF8?
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Mr Hangman posted...

I saw the poll and thought, "FINALLY a poll option that actually represents me!"

Squeenix has made nothing but crap for years. Even their ports of older good stuff has been hit and miss, mostly miss. FF12 TZA came out well. Others like FF8 mostly show how incredibly lazy they are, unwilling to fix problems that are as simple as they are egregious like ruining the OST.

I was going to say Dragon Quest IX and Four Heroes of Light were good, but then I remembered they were actually developed by Level-5 and Matrix Software respectively.

Then I though of Bravelybut that was Silicon Studio...

Uhhhh... I really cant think of anything Ive enjoyed since FFX in 2001. 17 years of zero good games.
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Exodiver posted...

@Zeus posted...

tbh, FFT:WOL is in a class by itself. FFTA was fun, but inferior across the board (other than not using some unbalanced mechanics from the original). However, even another FFTA-quality game would be welcomed.

Is FFT:WOL very different from the original FFT? I've yet to play that one. I also played both FFTA games (didnt finish FFTA2), liked both games for the classes variety, it's a nice lighthearted games...

how the fuck have you played the shitty ones but not the best one
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helIy posted...

Exodiver posted...

@Zeus posted...

tbh, FFT:WOL is in a class by itself. FFTA was fun, but inferior across the board (other than not using some unbalanced mechanics from the original). However, even another FFTA-quality game would be welcomed.

Is FFT:WOL very different from the original FFT? I've yet to play that one. I also played both FFTA games (didnt finish FFTA2), liked both games for the classes variety, it's a nice lighthearted games...

how the fuck have you played the shitty ones but not the best one

I mean, they are on completely different systems.
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the first ta is on Gameboy the second is on ds.

the good game is on ps1, playable all the way up to ps3, and the best version is on the psp, iOS and android, as well as easily emulated if that's your thing.

there are more avenues to play the best version than the shitty ones
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helIy posted...

Exodiver posted...

@Zeus posted...

tbh, FFT:WOL is in a class by itself. FFTA was fun, but inferior across the board (other than not using some unbalanced mechanics from the original). However, even another FFTA-quality game would be welcomed.

Is FFT:WOL very different from the original FFT? I've yet to play that one. I also played both FFTA games (didnt finish FFTA2), liked both games for the classes variety, it's a nice lighthearted games...

how the fuck have you played the shitty ones but not the best one

Calm your t1tties... I've played FFT, but not FFT:WOL, so I'd like to know if they're any different
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Metalsonic66 posted...

ParanoidObsessive posted...

Because Squeenix hasn't done a single worthwhile thing since the merger

Agree that they've gone downhill, but wouldn't go that far.

I would.

They still have value to me as a publisher (mainly for Eidos and Crystal Dynamics, though Eidos failed me with Deus Ex: Mankind Divided - but that might also have been Squeenix's fault...), but as a developer they haven't put out a single game I consider worth a damn since before half the people on PotD went through puberty.



Zeus posted...

Strongly disagree, if only for Final Fantasy Explorers. (Unfortunately it's super-niche and therefore unlikely to see a sequel.)

It's a 3DS game, and it's similar to Crystal Chronicles.

As far as I'm concerned, it functionally doesn't exist.


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ParanoidObsessive posted...

as a developer they haven't put out a single game I consider worth a damn since before half the people on PotD went through puberty.

You're free to have your own opinions of course, but I think XIII gets more flak than it deserves. It's certainly far from the worst Final Fantasy. Despite the linearity and the lack of NPCs and side-quests, the battle system is actually my favorite in the series once it opens up.

FFXIV had a rough start considering the game had to be thrown out and started again from scratch, but the newer version of the game is one of the best pay-to-play MOMs out there right now. And I haven't played XV yet, but I've seen more positive opinions about it than negative.
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