Board 8 > Mafia discussion topic v2... with better arguments

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Alakazamtrainer
06/19/18 4:13:32 PM
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Meow1000
06/19/18 4:15:59 PM
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One Cow....

One Cow... To rule them all.
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Leo3Leo3Leo
06/19/18 4:16:32 PM
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I may have lost AFFC mafia but the dead mason hivemind did succeed in faking immortality with a one use BP while I was at GP Las Vegas. Even though scum said they couldn't care less and it didn't impact them at all, that was the real subgame. Like being survivor only you don't debate how your role works for 200 posts.
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Suprak the Stud
06/19/18 4:18:44 PM
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Dead mason board was incredibly fun. FUN. Probably my favorite role. Either that or Pun's vote slinger from Eff 2016.

I also thought you did really well. The entire board did. Puns just did better.

(Also I think Puns was roleblocker and the scum team almost killed him day 1 for reasons I can't remember - it lead Scare I think to accidentally clear him and suggest going after red instead.)
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FFDragon
06/19/18 4:21:47 PM
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no regrets about not claiming that game either

since it led to me pepe silviaing all over that dead mason board
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Arti
06/19/18 4:24:43 PM
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should just lynch puns d1 every game
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VeryInsane
06/19/18 4:25:18 PM
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Arti posted...
should just lynch puns d1 every game


no man he'll bus his entire team so just wait until he flips scum then see who he votes
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turbopuns2
06/19/18 4:31:55 PM
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Nanahara715 posted...
I tried doing this in Werewolf at Momocon in an open setup with 4 wolves, 3 vanilla, and 15 unique Town power roles.

I was lynched Day 2 because I "was taking all the fun out of the game."


Oh man, I don't think I ever told you guys about my recent experience playing werewolf with strangers at a board game con a couple months ago.

There were 3 wolves, of which I was one.

The group was pretty socially awkward in general, and day 1/2 I was doing a great job of leading discussion and just looking good by way of being active and not shy.

The game had a town role who had to target someone night 1, and whenever the town player died, their night 1 target died also. The lover-maker role was lynched day 2, and then the person he'd targeted was a vengeful town...and the vengeful town happened to be sitting right beside me and overheard something I said in a one on one conversation to the person on the other side of me during the day which made him suspect me, even though he didn't chime in. And so he killed me. >_>

We did go on to win though. Was just kinda bummed that I died in such an unlikely way.
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eaedwards6400
06/19/18 4:32:50 PM
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ShatteredElysium
06/19/18 4:34:20 PM
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Whilst I was looking up rules earlier to see what elsewhere said about Survivors, I came across a weird rule that I didn't know existed in some games.

In some games Mafia members aren't allowed to talk to each other in private unless it's the night phase? And the way it was worded, it suggested that was the norm rather than being able to discuss at any time being the norm.
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turbopuns2
06/19/18 4:36:12 PM
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VeryInsane posted...
Arti posted...
should just lynch puns d1 every game


no man he'll bus his entire team so just wait until he flips scum then see who he votes


I typically vote more players than anyone else on day 1 as either alignment.

This game was an exception because deadpool was...exceptionally scummy! And voting chris was just an easy way to coast.
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turbopuns2
06/19/18 4:42:00 PM
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Suprak the Stud posted...
Also I think Puns was roleblocker and the scum team almost killed him day 1 for reasons I can't remember - it lead Scare I think to accidentally clear him and suggest going after red instead.


there were no actual reasons. Han and I just got into an argument kinda by accident. and there was a clear lynch leader who was town so scum (shad and han) felt comfortable having a couple votes on me. so as day started to wind down, like always there were people who just voted the 2nd place lynch because they thought the 1st place lynch was town. so it was like a very happy accident that almost ended in utter disaster for us.

but my Town Sex God claim near deadline was awesome~. one of my more fun fakes I can recall
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HanOfTheNekos
06/19/18 4:42:59 PM
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Suprak the Stud posted...
Dead mason board was incredibly fun. FUN. Probably my favorite role. Either that or Pun's vote slinger from Eff 2016.

I also thought you did really well. The entire board did. Puns just did better.

(Also I think Puns was roleblocker and the scum team almost killed him day 1 for reasons I can't remember - it lead Scare I think to accidentally clear him and suggest going after red instead.)


Presumably we wanted him dead for listing our whole team in the first post of the game.
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Dels
06/19/18 4:43:30 PM
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on MU, scum aren't allowed to keep talking to each other after they are dead

it made me kinda sad, i love sticking around as a cheerleader / strategist here and i think it helps keep the scumteam united

but i guess it makes sense. i've accepted it now.
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turbopuns2
06/19/18 4:49:37 PM
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HanOfTheNekos posted...
Presumably we wanted him dead for listing our whole team in the first post of the game.


Well OK maybe it was a bit of that.
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neonreaper
06/19/18 4:55:58 PM
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Dels posted...
on MU, scum aren't allowed to keep talking to each other after they are dead

it made me kinda sad, i love sticking around as a cheerleader / strategist here and i think it helps keep the scumteam united

but i guess it makes sense. i've accepted it now.


Thats how it ought to be imo
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foolm0r0n
06/19/18 4:56:45 PM
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ShatteredElysium posted...
In some games Mafia members aren't allowed to talk to each other in private unless it's the night phase? And the way it was worded, it suggested that was the norm rather than being able to discuss at any time being the norm.

I have definitely seen this before. It's to emulate the IRL style I think.
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ScareChan
06/19/18 4:57:06 PM
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Suprak the Stud posted...
Dead mason board was incredibly fun. FUN. Probably my favorite role. Either that or Pun's vote slinger from Eff 2016.

I also thought you did really well. The entire board did. Puns just did better.

(Also I think Puns was roleblocker and the scum team almost killed him day 1 for reasons I can't remember - it lead Scare I think to accidentally clear him and suggest going after red instead.)


I was probably clinically insanse for the first 8 hours or so of that final night phase and still got it wrong
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foolm0r0n
06/19/18 5:00:24 PM
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Dels posted...
but i guess it makes sense. i've accepted it now.

If scum is strengthened a bit to compensate then it does make sense. And it also makes scum care more about staying alive which can make the daytime better.

But it's def the most part about playing scum.
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ShatteredElysium
06/19/18 5:04:10 PM
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Honestly there should be a town board for dead town to discuss the game after they are killed. No interaction allowed with players still alive and in game, just for dead non-scum to discuss.

Like I'm sure plenty of times town dies like Day 1-3 and then by the time the game is over Day 6,7, 8, 9 or whatever that they can't be bothered to comment or stopped following the game just due to how much time has passed. Or maybe something happens that they want to immediately verbalize and then by the time endgame rolls around it is no longer relevant.

But I guess any game with any sort of revive role in would prevent this from being a thing.
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eaedwards6400
06/19/18 5:14:21 PM
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Discussion or reminiscing topic? Lol
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Leo3Leo3Leo
06/19/18 5:15:33 PM
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'member that time i fakeclaimed blue mage lol
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turbopuns2
06/19/18 5:16:36 PM
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eaedwards6400 posted...
Discussion or reminiscing topic? Lol


Alakazam can make judgemental topic titles all day, but we sure did fill up the last topic with mafia discussion!

Nobody's opinion changed one bit, but that's neither here nor there.

Also, hell, literally playing actual mafia games on b8 is like 33% reminiscing as it is.
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turbopuns2
06/19/18 5:17:32 PM
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Leo3Leo3Leo posted...
'member that time i fakeclaimed blue mage lol


'member that time the host replaced a scum with no advance notice 10 minutes before deadline >_____>
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Suprak the Stud
06/19/18 5:19:12 PM
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ScareChan posted...
Suprak the Stud posted...
Dead mason board was incredibly fun. FUN. Probably my favorite role. Either that or Pun's vote slinger from Eff 2016.

I also thought you did really well. The entire board did. Puns just did better.

(Also I think Puns was roleblocker and the scum team almost killed him day 1 for reasons I can't remember - it lead Scare I think to accidentally clear him and suggest going after red instead.)


I was probably clinically insanse for the first 8 hours or so of that final night phase and still got it wrong


The amount of work you put in that last night was a thing of beauty.

I mean, you were wrong, but it wasn't like you were just like "lol whatever". You guys did good work digging through all the old topics and made a convincing argument for red. It just turned out to be wrong.
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Suprak the Stud
06/19/18 5:19:42 PM
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FFDragon posted...
no regrets about not claiming that game either

since it led to me pepe silviaing all over that dead mason board


They awakened your true form.

Also this post hurts as it just reminds me we never got IASIP Mafia.
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eaedwards6400
06/19/18 5:26:43 PM
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turbopuns2 posted...
eaedwards6400 posted...
Discussion or reminiscing topic? Lol


Alakazam can make judgemental topic titles all day, but we sure did fill up the last topic with mafia discussion!

Nobody's opinion changed one bit, but that's neither here nor there.

Also, hell, literally playing actual mafia games on b8 is like 33% reminiscing as it is.


No that is a fact. It feels nostalgic just seeing mafia topics around here.
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Leo3Leo3Leo
06/19/18 5:33:01 PM
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turbopuns2 posted...
Leo3Leo3Leo posted...
'member that time i fakeclaimed blue mage lol


'member that time the host replaced a scum with no advance notice 10 minutes before deadline >_____>


turbopuns posted...
Leo, you played a great game.

Nothing will take that away.

But you lived due to an insane amount of luck.

edit: I mean, honestly. The mafia gods really did hate town this game.

You got away guessing at the one power that couldn't disprove you (doc, even though that wasn't much of a risk for you)

You blocked a power that would have ended you immediately.

You killed another power who would have ended you immediately.

Yet another power died by targeting you.

And the other power (who would have ended you if I targeted you) is the only one who chose not to target you.

>___________________________________>


Being lucky is very cinematic. You can keep your "actually knows how to play scum" nonsense.
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turbopuns2
06/19/18 5:45:35 PM
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Leo3Leo3Leo posted...
Being lucky is very cinematic. You can keep your "actually knows how to play scum" nonsense.


heh. what year was that game?

the reader may find it interesting to note that I, as town cop, did what Alazakam did last game. forced myself into a situation to claim day 1 and claimed vanilla. then it was mylo and I had a guilty scan and people wouldn't follow me. :-(

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Leo3Leo3Leo
06/19/18 5:48:40 PM
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That's pretty unlucky of you, Puns.

2013. The last year I won at mafia. Used up all my luck on this and enlightened townie and that one homestuck game I made scum have a mental breakdown as a vanilla.
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turbopuns2
06/19/18 5:51:05 PM
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ok I was really hoping that was pre-2014. what a poor play by me!

it wasn't just that though, town's activity was abysmal at mylo. scum didn't even hammer! they just piled onto me and there weren't enough town around voting the same person to stop it. it was like L-1 or something
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Leo3Leo3Leo
06/19/18 5:54:54 PM
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turbopuns posted...
WAlT GOD DAMN IT

THIS WAS MY FIRST MISLYNCH

YOU BASTARDS
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turbopuns2
06/19/18 5:59:02 PM
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it's ok, I think we determined it doesn't count since *zero* town voted me

my first mislynch was...that other time I was a scanner
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Alakazamtrainer
06/19/18 6:00:11 PM
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I suck, I need to improve my game.... alot
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IfGodCouldDie
06/19/18 6:00:45 PM
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ShatteredElysium posted...
Whilst I was looking up rules earlier to see what elsewhere said about Survivors, I came across a weird rule that I didn't know existed in some games.

In some games Mafia members aren't allowed to talk to each other in private unless it's the night phase? And the way it was worded, it suggested that was the norm rather than being able to discuss at any time being the norm.

That reminds me of town of salem.
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Meow1000
06/19/18 6:07:59 PM
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I've heard of rules like that before. Bad communities like to hamstring scum when the playerbase sucks.

I remember in that mtg game I had only one character and one role i was ever allowed to fake claim no matter what.

We also had no communication during the day (and half the night) and were not even told each other's roles.
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turbopuns2
06/19/18 6:11:25 PM
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Meow1000 posted...
were not even told each other's roles.


what? really? lol
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Meow1000
06/19/18 6:14:28 PM
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turbopuns2 posted...
Meow1000 posted...
were not even told each other's roles.


what? really? lol


I had to catch them and ask them night 1 for their roles because I had no idea what the hell they were. I was not allowed to fakeclaim power at all. My only allowable fakeclaim was a specific character as vanilla town. I have no confirmation if that applied to the other scum members. It probably did.

The game was basically designed to screw scum as much as possible to make up for a **** town. Plum was also scum in that game and quit almost immediately. I should've done the same.
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Leo3Leo3Leo
06/19/18 6:16:05 PM
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Blade you have the worst luck of all to wind up in so many terrible mafia games. I read that anonymous mafia day one last week. I know.
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Meow1000
06/19/18 6:16:56 PM
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Leo3Leo3Leo posted...
Blade you have the worst luck of all to wind up in so many terrible mafia games. I read that anonymous mafia day one last week. I know.


Dude you were in that game, you were so happy we shot you.

And yeah apparently my third party role that had zero chance of winning the game only existed to potentially weaken town. Scum was horribly underpowered.

My role shouldn't have even existed, much less been a critical part of the balance. Personally I'm glad to have exited that game day 1 with no effort. The game wasn't worth effort.
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Leo3Leo3Leo
06/19/18 6:18:11 PM
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Ohhhhh, that MTG salvation game
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greengravy294
06/19/18 6:19:01 PM
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I say we bring back absurd mafia 2 and make days last twice as long and wonder if we can end the game in under a topic
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Meow1000
06/19/18 6:20:16 PM
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Leo3Leo3Leo posted...
Ohhhhh, that MTG salvation game


And yeah, that's the scum rules on that site. No communication for all of the day phase AND part of the night phase, no fakeclaiming allowed at all, and no knowledge of what roles/power your scumteam even has.

It was a peach of a game.
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Meow1000
06/19/18 6:20:53 PM
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greengravy294 posted...
I say we bring back absurd mafia 2 and make days last twice as long and wonder if we can end the game in under a topic


ABSURD
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ScareChan
06/19/18 6:33:52 PM
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Let me know when that game is over so I can comment on the setup
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Dels
06/19/18 6:37:58 PM
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Leo3Leo3Leo posted...
Blade you have the worst luck of all to wind up in so many terrible mafia games. I read that anonymous mafia day one last week. I know.


um what is this about???????
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turbopuns2
06/19/18 6:43:00 PM
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Dels posted...
um what is this about???????


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1016-forum-mafia/76688385
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Meow1000
06/19/18 6:43:05 PM
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ScareChan posted...
Let me know when that game is over so I can comment on the setup


The scumteam surrendered a few hours ago after failing to submit any actions night 3 (the game had ~500 posts in 3 days, and the scumteam was so inactive they didn't act night 3), and being horribly underpowered.

Dels posted...
Leo3Leo3Leo posted...
Blade you have the worst luck of all to wind up in so many terrible mafia games. I read that anonymous mafia day one last week. I know.


um what is this about???????


I was "Third Party Automatically Lost The Game" and got myself modkilled day 1 after claiming because I had a fraction of a percent of a chance of winning and wasn't going to give the effort.
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IfGodCouldDie
06/19/18 6:43:18 PM
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@ScareChan posted...
Let me know when that game is over so I can comment on the setup

its over scum surrendered with two players left alive.
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ScareChan
06/19/18 6:49:46 PM
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so I thought theif was survivor with a bonus win condition and could steal from giver or receiver

I also was under impression the powers were one shot

he messaged me saying that it was 3v3 with 2 bps and the doctor vs scum and the way he worded the win con I said that game had to continue since town could still win the way it was setup
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