Poll of the Day > The Xbox One X is the most POWERFUL console in existence.

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DPsx7 posted...

adjl posted...

A presumption you're basing on what?

Not really. One crash a decade ago doesn't really amount to enough undesirability to avoid it forever.

I'm not sure what you're talking about, but if it was within the last couple months, that'd likely be in response to the new privacy laws enacted by the EU in response to the whole Cambridge Analytica thing. Pretty much every account-based service has sent out a message like that to all of their users, since a major element of those new laws is a need to be more transparent about what's being shared in profiles and to offer users the opportunity to remove that information if they don't want it shared. It is in fact not suspicious at all.

Easy. When I first put the disc in and Steam started shitting all over the place I distinctly remember it saying it was searching my drive for installed software. That was the first red flag and I shoulda flipped the switch then and there. I'll bet they were trying to disable any virus scanners. I let it proceed though as this came before the events that led to its removal.

It wasn't a crash. More a series of increasing problems. From DL'ing for hours despite installing from disc, to blocking its use, to DL'ing an update that corrupted the game. The ammo counter was moved to the center of the screen and the backgrounds became multicolored.

I explained it in the previous reply. It was at least a year ago. They refused to fix the game or ship a clean version, but hey why not tamper with dormant accounts because Valve gives a big 'F you' to their customers.

Yeah that just sounds like you fucked the install up or your computer was shit.
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helIy posted...

bet you my $500 console can play games the same or better than your $1000+ pc.

Depends on what they have and if either of you have 4K I guess.
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DPsx7 posted...

Easy. When I first put the disc in and Steam started s***ting all over the place I distinctly remember it saying it was searching my drive for installed software. That was the first red flag and I shoulda flipped the switch then and there. I'll bet they were trying to disable any virus scanners. I let it proceed though as this came before the events that led to its removal.

I have both Steam and a virus scanner active, and I don't recall Steam doing any searching for installed software the last time I installed it. You would lose that bet.

DPsx7 posted...

It wasn't a crash. More a series of increasing problems. From DL'ing for hours despite installing from disc, to blocking its use, to DL'ing an update that corrupted the game. The ammo counter was moved to the center of the screen and the backgrounds became multicolored.

Sounds like a broken installation. Something got messed up somewhere, whether it was a PEBKAC error or otherwise. A clean reinstall would probably have been your best bet there. It's nothing inherent to Steam or HL2 in general, since I can tell you I installed HL2 from a physical copy of The Orange Box without any issues.

DPsx7 posted...

I explained it in the previous reply. It was at least a year ago. They refused to fix the game or ship a clean version, but hey why not tamper with dormant accounts because Valve gives a big 'F you' to their customers.

https://store.steampowered.com/news/?appids=220&appgroupname=Half-Life+2&feed=steam_updates

They've pretty clearly been fixing the game, not refusing to do so. As for the profile updates, I still don't know what you're talking about because you're being too vague and paranoid, but it wouldn't surprise me if there were some feature or other they added (to everyone; they aren't personally tampering with your dormant account) and they sent out an email to people that were likely to have missed it (which isn't exactly uncommon practice for customer retention). Not exactly something to be scared of.
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adjl posted...

I have both Steam and a virus scanner active, and I don't recall Steam doing any searching for installed software the last time I installed it. You would lose that bet.

It "does" but it's only when you install a game and it just installs visual basic packs.
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helIy posted...

Yeah that just sounds like you fucked the install up or your computer was shit.

I love that no matter how much proof I provide or how many times I explain it, you refuse to admit that Steam is pure garbage. You always have an excuse. Valve is SO great that all their problems must be someone else's fault.

We have learned something along the way. You're stupid. Doesn't get easier than that. My PC was fine before Steam and after the wipe. All problems were caused solely by and exclusively within Steam.

dragon504 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Krow_Incarnate posted...

With that said, it's still redundant because of PC.

But so is Playstation. The fanboys won't like to hear that, though.

Consoles aren't infected with Steam though. Power isn't the #1 factor in a gaming platform.

This nerd really hates Steam.

but it can get wrinkles out of clothes, and cook food. mmmm, steamed hams
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DPsx7 posted...

helIy posted...

Yeah that just sounds like you fucked the install up or your computer was shit.

I love that no matter how much proof I provide or how many times I explain it, you refuse to admit that Steam is pure garbage. You always have an excuse. Valve is SO great that all their problems must be someone else's fault.

We have learned something along the way. You're stupid. Doesn't get easier than that. My PC was fine before Steam and after the wipe. All problems were caused solely by and exclusively within Steam.

yes

everything you've described is nothing but you fucking everything up, steam didn't do jack shit.
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adjl posted...

I have both Steam and a virus scanner active, and I don't recall Steam doing any searching for installed software the last time I installed it. You would lose that bet.

Sounds like a broken installation. Something got messed up somewhere, whether it was a PEBKAC error or otherwise. A clean reinstall would probably have been your best bet there. It's nothing inherent to Steam or HL2 in general, since I can tell you I installed HL2 from a physical copy of The Orange Box without any issues.

They've pretty clearly been fixing the game, not refusing to do so. As for the profile updates, I still don't know what you're talking about because you're being too vague and paranoid, but it wouldn't surprise me if there were some feature or other they added (to everyone; they aren't personally tampering with your dormant account) and they sent out an email to people that were likely to have missed it (which isn't exactly uncommon practice for customer retention). Not exactly something to be scared of.

You don't recall is not proof it doesn't happen. I say nearby during the install. I saw it. The damn thing took 3 hours from disc to main menu. Such time includes whatever it was DL'ing.

Now we're getting somewhere. Steam was broken. HL2 looked normal before one of the several times it was blocked. A forced update then broke the game. Why did I need this update? Because level 2 of the virus was installed.

It's not on purpose. The message was sent a while ago. It wasn't 'please update'. Instead they sent 'we've started tampering'. Wanna say it was a phone number or something was changed. Malware does like to collect data you know.

helIy posted...

DPsx7 posted...

helIy posted...

Yeah that just sounds like you fucked the install up or your computer was shit.

I love that no matter how much proof I provide or how many times I explain it, you refuse to admit that Steam is pure garbage. You always have an excuse. Valve is SO great that all their problems must be someone else's fault.

We have learned something along the way. You're stupid. Doesn't get easier than that. My PC was fine before Steam and after the wipe. All problems were caused solely by and exclusively within Steam.

yes

everything you've described is nothing but you fucking everything up, steam didn't do jack shit.

And you'd be wrong. That's ok though, I'm here to help and educate.

This until PS5 comes out.
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and yet thousands upon thousands of people manage to install and use steam with zero problems.
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DPsx7 posted...

helIy posted...

DPsx7 posted...

helIy posted...

Yeah that just sounds like you fucked the install up or your computer was shit.

I love that no matter how much proof I provide or how many times I explain it, you refuse to admit that Steam is pure garbage. You always have an excuse. Valve is SO great that all their problems must be someone else's fault.

We have learned something along the way. You're stupid. Doesn't get easier than that. My PC was fine before Steam and after the wipe. All problems were caused solely by and exclusively within Steam.

yes

everything you've described is nothing but you fucking everything up, steam didn't do jack shit.

And you'd be wrong. That's ok though, I'm here to help and educate.

nothing you've shown, provided, or explained suggests otherwise, so

learn how to use a computer better
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nice story bruh
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DPsx7 posted...

And you'd be wrong. That's ok though, I'm here to help and educate.

No, you're spreading misinformation and trolling.
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DPsx7 posted...

I love that no matter how much proof I provide or how many times I explain it, you refuse to admit that Steam is pure garbage. You always have an excuse. Valve is SO great that all their problems must be someone else's fault.

We have learned something along the way. You're stupid. Doesn't get easier than that. My PC was fine before Steam and after the wipe. All problems were caused solely by and exclusively within Steam.

I bought an iOmega external hard drive 14 years ago. It sucked so obviously all their modern day products suck too.

DPsx7 posted...

You don't recall is not proof it doesn't happen. I say nearby during the install. I saw it. The damn thing took 3 hours from disc to main menu. Such time includes whatever it was DL'ing.

Installing Visual Basic packs isn't searching for virus scanners.

DPsx7 posted...

Malware does like to collect data you know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk" data-time="
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What's the use of being most powerful if all games it has are also on PC?
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Revelation34 posted...

adjl posted...

I have both Steam and a virus scanner active, and I don't recall Steam doing any searching for installed software the last time I installed it. You would lose that bet.

It "does" but it's only when you install a game and it just installs visual basic packs.

Oh, that. That's to be expected. Any installer does that. I was thinking he meant during the installation of Steam itself.

DPsx7 posted...

You don't recall is not proof it doesn't happen. I say nearby during the install. I saw it.

I most recently installed Steam after replacing my laptop's hard drive last fall. You have pointedly avoided Steam entirely for over a decade. If you want to act like your memory on this matter is more credible than mine, you're gonna need some kind of concrete proof to offset that time difference.

DPsx7 posted...

Now we're getting somewhere. Steam was broken. HL2 looked normal before one of the several times it was blocked. A forced update then broke the game. Why did I need this update? Because level 2 of the virus was installed.

"Level 2 of the virus"? Are you listening to yourself? You downloaded a bugged patch. It happens (albeit much less frequently these days as PC hardware configurations are less widely varied than they were a decade ago). You either roll it back to a previous installation or you wait for a new patch to fix it (reporting your issue if you want it fixed faster). A clean install would also likely have fixed the problem. Instead, you decided to fall back on what seems to be an understanding of computers that you learned from your grandmother's cat and deleted everything.

DPsx7 posted...

The message was sent a while ago. It wasn't 'please update'. Instead they sent 'we've started tampering'. Wanna say it was a phone number or something was changed.

Without seeing the actual email and going entirely by your vague, paranoid ramblings, the only possible explanation I can come up with for what you're describing would be that your account has been compromised and somebody changed your information, and they wanted to verify that it was you. The email would have pretty clearly stated that intent, so I'm not sure how you could miss that, but you haven't exactly demonstrated a solid understanding of how these things work, so I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

DPsx7 posted...

Malware does like to collect data you know.

Malware doesn't send you an email asking you to reinstall and log in to the malware so you can update your data. You really don't actually know what malware is, do you?
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I see you're still not getting it. So hopeless. Oh well here goes another try.

It was during the main install that it was snooping for software. Safe software doesn't do that.

Funny how you'll deny the millions of problems Steam has by asking for proof you know doesn't exist. The drive was wiped and refreshed. You want the game and box to prove I tried the physical option?

Whatever you want to call it. I didn't willingly DL anything. It was forced. Coupled with the fact it was bad is another checkmark of malware. Steam doesn't offer rollback. Wait longer? Nah I wasted enough time on that shitty thing trying to play a single game. Besides, I told you I asked for help and got none. Valve doesn't fix their stuff.

Compromised by them. Sorry I can't be more specific but again it was some time ago and being from Valve I didn't spend much time reading the note just in case one of their links was infectious. Then if you think about it, since Steam was one of the worst gaming experiences I've gone through do I really care whether it was a spoof or stolen? Any potential thief will end up with Steam and I'm gonna laugh. Serves 'em right.

yeah it's definitely user error.

learn how to use a computer dude
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graphics power doesn't mean shit without computer power
and you only get that from decent CPU's, not ones that emulate 4k on your CRTV at home

DPsx7 posted...

I see you're still not getting it. So hopeless. Oh well here goes another try.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_Basic

DPsx7 posted...

malware

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk" data-time="
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DPsx7 posted...

It was during the main install that it was snooping for software. Safe software doesn't do that.

Sure it does. Unsafe software doesn't tell you that it's doing that.

DPsx7 posted...

Funny how you'll deny the millions of problems Steam has by asking for proof you know doesn't exist.

Whether it exists or not is irrelevant. Being more recent by a factor of 15+, my recollection is automatically considered more credible than yours. The only way you'll be able to offset that difference is with proof. If you can't provide proof, you're just going to have to accept that you don't have a credible recollection.

For that matter, proof should be easy for you to produce. You could very easily record a video of you downloading Steam, installing HL2 and not being able to play it. That is, provided your experience can actually be recreated, which is precisely what nobody but you believes.

DPsx7 posted...

Whatever you want to call it. I didn't willingly DL anything. It was forced.

You can disable automatic updates.

DPsx7 posted...

Wait longer? Nah I wasted enough time on that s***ty thing trying to play a single game.

Obviously you wouldn't sit at the computer and wait for a fix. You'd go do something else for a couple weeks until another patch came out, checking periodically. You wouldn't exactly be wasting any more time.

DPsx7 posted...

Valve doesn't fix their stuff.

I linked you to a set of patch notes for HL2, which included bug fixes. More recently, DotA 2 sees extremely frequent patches that fix bugs (too many, really, but that's another issue). That's just plain false.

DPsx7 posted...

Sorry I can't be more specific

If you can't be more specific, then you shouldn't have brought it up. A vague "Valve totally sent me something that sounded like they were messing with my account even though I don't use it so they're evil" isn't going to convince anyone of anything unless you can provide actual details.

DPsx7 posted...

I didn't spend much time reading the note just in case one of their links was infectious.

You are absurdly paranoid.
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helIy posted...

yeah it's definitely user error.

learn how to use a computer dude

Prove it.

Ironically I know how to use a PC so I don't need Steam to hold my hand. Doesn't say much for you.

adjl posted...

Sure it does. Unsafe software doesn't tell you that it's doing that.

Whether it exists or not is irrelevant. Being more recent by a factor of 15+, my recollection is automatically considered more credible than yours. The only way you'll be able to offset that difference is with proof. If you can't provide proof, you're just going to have to accept that you don't have a credible recollection.

For that matter, proof should be easy for you to produce. You could very easily record a video of you downloading Steam, installing HL2 and not being able to play it. That is, provided your experience can actually be recreated, which is precisely what nobody but you believes.

You can disable automatic updates.

Obviously you wouldn't sit at the computer and wait for a fix. You'd go do something else for a couple weeks until another patch came out, checking periodically. You wouldn't exactly be wasting any more time.

I linked you to a set of patch notes for HL2, which included bug fixes. More recently, DotA 2 sees extremely frequent patches that fix bugs (too many, really, but that's another issue). That's just plain false.

If you can't be more specific, then you shouldn't have brought it up. A vague "Valve totally sent me something that sounded like they were messing with my account even though I don't use it so they're evil" isn't going to convince anyone of anything unless you can provide actual details.

You are absurdly paranoid.

Hmm. True enough. So Steam is just bad software that wanted to be honest for a minute.

A few years hardly cancels my experience. How do we know you're not lying? Or worse you don't know what it's doing to your parent's PC. A lot of kids walk away during installs and miss all the fun messages. Furthermore there's nothing you could say that would convince me I need proof badly enough to reinfect and reenact what I went through. Letting myself get burned twice would make me look bad for a change.

Wrong. I would have if it was allowed. Then again you also claim it works offline. I'm thinking you've never touched Steam.

I like to finish games before moving onto more. Maybe I'll start 2, 3 tops if they're different from each other. A couple weeks doesn't fit my schedule. They're probably adding ways to dodge virus scanners.

That's great and all but I think HL2 on its own wasn't the problem. It was dragged down and destroyed by the 'other stuff' that came with it. I mean if that bad update wasn't forced to go through I'd have missed the glitches.

They're already a miserable bunch of goons. Tampering with my account is merely further proof they can't be trusted. And that's what you want is proof.

Again, one burn was enough. I learned my lesson. It's not paranoia if the threat is true.

That is one big pile of shit.
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DPsx7 posted...

A few years hardly cancels my experience.

A few years of stability updates and a trend toward more normalized gaming PC hardware setups? Yes, it absolutely does. PC gaming has changed radically since the days of HL2, when an update that fixed a game for one computer could completely break it for others. For all Windows Vista's flaws, it did start a trend toward more normalized Windows configurations, which has made developing PC games much easier.

Your experience will continue to exist, because the past doesn't change (although given how you're behaving, I wouldn't be at all surprised if you seriously demand that Valve invent time travel to fix your problem before it happened), but what does change is how reflective your experience is of using Steam today. As millions of satisfied customers can tell you, it isn't.

DPsx7 posted...

So Steam is just bad software that wanted to be honest for a minute.

Umm.
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There's an important thing you keep forgetting. Just because 'others are doing it' doesn't make it right, or even smart. Smoking, drinking, sex, politics, hell many people bought pet rocks and Chia Pets.

The crowd mentality doesn't prove you right or me wrong.

lol
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DPsx7 posted...

There's an important thing you keep forgetting. Just because 'others are doing it' doesn't make it right, or even smart. Smoking, drinking, sex, politics, hell many people bought pet rocks and Chia Pets.

The crowd mentality doesn't prove you right or me wrong.

That's not what I said, though. What I said is that "others are able to do it without issue," which does comprise a very solid case against your "Steam is horribly dysfunctional and makes computers explode the moment you download it." We're not talking about any sort of moral good here, we're talking about how generalizable your experience and position are, and the answer to that question is "not remotely." That's not a matter of crowd mentality, that's just a simple fact. You are objectively wrong.
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DPsx7 posted...

Prove it.

Ironically I know how to use a PC so I don't need Steam to hold my hand. Doesn't say much for you.

I already did. You think Visual Basic packs being installed are searching for anti virus software.
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adjl posted...

DPsx7 posted...

There's an important thing you keep forgetting. Just because 'others are doing it' doesn't make it right, or even smart. Smoking, drinking, sex, politics, hell many people bought pet rocks and Chia Pets.

The crowd mentality doesn't prove you right or me wrong.

That's not what I said, though. What I said is that "others are able to do it without issue," which does comprise a very solid case against your "Steam is horribly dysfunctional and makes computers explode the moment you download it." We're not talking about any sort of moral good here, we're talking about how generalizable your experience and position are, and the answer to that question is "not remotely." That's not a matter of crowd mentality, that's just a simple fact. You are objectively wrong.

How could you know? Valve could have millions of bug reports and they sweep them under the rug like I experienced. They never helped me. Nothing says they do now.

Revelation34 posted...

DPsx7 posted...

Prove it.

Ironically I know how to use a PC so I don't need Steam to hold my hand. Doesn't say much for you.

I already did. You think Visual Basic packs being installed are searching for anti virus software.

The hell do they have to do with Steam? My PC didn't use VB back then. During the Steam installer it actually said 'scanning' and that's not good.

DPsx7 posted...

How could you know? Valve could have millions of bug reports and they sweep them under the rug like I experienced.

In which case millions of users would be echoing your complaints. Are they?

DPsx7 posted...

The hell do they have to do with Steam? My PC didn't use VB back then.

Sounds like we may have found the problem, then.
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DPsx7 posted...

The hell do they have to do with Steam? My PC didn't use VB back then. During the Steam installer it actually said 'scanning' and that's not good.

Literally every single Steam game installs them.
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