Poll of the Day > The Xbox One X is the most POWERFUL console in existence.

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Muffinz0rz
06/12/18 3:33:10 PM
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Couldn't sleep last night, was up thinking of how powerful the Xbox One X is
Typically I go to bed around 11 every night, so I'm well-rested and energized for work the next day.

Last night, I got into bed at 11 as usual, but when I closed my eyes, I just couldn't fall asleep. My mind was racing. The Xbox One X is not only the most powerful console ever created, but it is also the smallest console on the market.

I tossed and turned in bed. I could not get comfortable. How could I expect to just drift off to sleep knowing that this November, just 4 months from now,gamers will get to experience true raw power, right from their living rooms?

I called up my girlfriend, who goes to bed at 8pm (as women are wont to do). "Hey babe," I said. I could hear her shifting from her sleep. "I can't sleep. I keep thinking of how powerful Microsoft's latest console, the Xbox One X is. Never before has a home console been a 6 teraflop powerhouse before and contained 12GB of RAM."

"Babe," she said, "it's 11pm. I need my 16 hours of sleep so I can face a full day tomorrow of being indecisive about what I want to eat for every meal. Why are you so concerned with such raw power so late at night?"

I howled with disgust. "Woman, listen to me," I screamed into the phone. "It is not every day that such a powerful console comes out. There has never been a console with such speed, yet such elegance, and there never will be again, at least until Microsoft makes the next Xbox. If you cannot understand this situation then perhaps we should see other people."

With that, I hung up on my ex-girlfriend and chucked my iPhone across the room. It smashed against the wall and landed into a pile of my other broken iPhones. Now I am exhausted at work and the Xbox One X is still the most powerful and smallest console on the market.
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Krow_Incarnate
06/12/18 3:38:39 PM
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Shhh
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Krow_Incarnate
06/12/18 3:39:14 PM
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With that said, it's still redundant because of PC.

But so is Playstation. The fanboys won't like to hear that, though.
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dedbus
06/12/18 3:44:41 PM
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It really is an engineering marvel and one of the closest things to God's grace that man will ever experience.
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DPsx7
06/12/18 3:59:41 PM
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Krow_Incarnate posted...
With that said, it's still redundant because of PC.

But so is Playstation. The fanboys won't like to hear that, though.


Consoles aren't infected with Steam though. Power isn't the #1 factor in a gaming platform.
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dragon504
06/12/18 4:02:23 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
Krow_Incarnate posted...
With that said, it's still redundant because of PC.

But so is Playstation. The fanboys won't like to hear that, though.


Consoles aren't infected with Steam though. Power isn't the #1 factor in a gaming platform.


This nerd really hates Steam.
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man101
06/12/18 4:05:23 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
Consoles aren't infected with Steam though.


Yeah, having frequent sales of 50-90% off, freedom to access your games from any PC, and the ability to sell useless trading cards for additional store credit really blows.
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magemaximus
06/12/18 4:09:21 PM
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the power of the x keeps me up at night
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Krow_Incarnate
06/12/18 5:19:57 PM
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dragon504 posted...
DPsx7 posted...
Krow_Incarnate posted...
With that said, it's still redundant because of PC.

But so is Playstation. The fanboys won't like to hear that, though.


Consoles aren't infected with Steam though. Power isn't the #1 factor in a gaming platform.


This nerd really hates Steam.

So do I, but Steam isn't even necessary.

There's GoG and.... other means, of playing games without a third party client.
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shadowsword87
06/12/18 5:21:44 PM
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magemaximus posted...
the power of the x keeps me up at night


Which "x"? There are three!
Three! Just imagine the power of three whole "x"s!
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DPsx7
06/12/18 5:25:21 PM
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man101 posted...
DPsx7 posted...
Consoles aren't infected with Steam though.


Yeah, having frequent sales of 50-90% off, freedom to access your games from any PC, and the ability to sell useless trading cards for additional store credit really blows.


Considering you're not getting a disc/case/manual, 90% off is only a fair price. Uh huh freedom. Including not being able to play online or at all because there's no off mode or a forced update. Why would you buy cards in the first place?

It's not worth the effort. You can't place Steam in a positive light. Tried it once and I haven't used a PC for gaming in 10+ years.
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CarefreeDude
06/12/18 5:30:53 PM
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I feel Xbox one X has no real place in the world. If you simply get a gaming PC instead, you have everything the Xbox one X has, plus more. At least PS4 has multiple exclusives and cheap VR, though it too is going the way of being unnecessary.

As much as I hate to say it, Nintendo is doing it right with the Switch.
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dragon504
06/12/18 5:41:00 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
man101 posted...
DPsx7 posted...
Consoles aren't infected with Steam though.


Yeah, having frequent sales of 50-90% off, freedom to access your games from any PC, and the ability to sell useless trading cards for additional store credit really blows.


Considering you're not getting a disc/case/manual, 90% off is only a fair price. Uh huh freedom. Including not being able to play online or at all because there's no off mode or a forced update. Why would you buy cards in the first place?

It's not worth the effort. You can't place Steam in a positive light. Tried it once and I haven't used a PC for gaming in 10+ years.


Uh, there's an offline mode for Steam and has been for a long time. Oh no an update, consoles would never make you wait to play a game if there was one of those.
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Krow_Incarnate
06/12/18 5:48:07 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
Considering you're not getting a disc/case/manual, 90% off is only a fair price. Uh huh freedom. Including not being able to play online or at all because there's no off mode or a forced update. Why would you buy cards in the first place?

First off, you don't buy the cards. You get them free for playing games naturally.

Secondly, have you even read a manual since.... '08?

They're the most barebones pieces of shit ever. Manuals haven't been good since the PS2/NGC/OGXB era. Furthermore, discs are completely obsolete and redundant now. I'd be all for 100% physical copies of games, but now they only exist to install the game onto your HDD and ironically, as a form of DRM. Even though you have the game on your console's HDD, you can't play it without the disc unless you own the game digitally

I honestly don't know what you're talking about regarding not being able to play online or otherwise.
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Krow_Incarnate
06/12/18 5:49:24 PM
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dragon504 posted...
DPsx7 posted...
man101 posted...
DPsx7 posted...
Consoles aren't infected with Steam though.


Yeah, having frequent sales of 50-90% off, freedom to access your games from any PC, and the ability to sell useless trading cards for additional store credit really blows.


Considering you're not getting a disc/case/manual, 90% off is only a fair price. Uh huh freedom. Including not being able to play online or at all because there's no off mode or a forced update. Why would you buy cards in the first place?

It's not worth the effort. You can't place Steam in a positive light. Tried it once and I haven't used a PC for gaming in 10+ years.


Uh, there's an offline mode for Steam and has been for a long time. Oh no an update, consoles would never make you wait to play a game if there was one of those.

Consoles these days are trash and that's the only reason I made the jump and upgraded my PC.

I miss how the 360 used to be it's own little self-contained entertainment device. But that got ruined with the kinect update, share buttons, and GTAV.
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Veedrock-
06/12/18 5:50:37 PM
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Wow guys.
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adjl
06/12/18 6:03:04 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
Including not being able to play online or at all because there's no off mode or a forced update.


Offline mode exists, and automatic updates can be disabled on a per-game basis (having an older version may prevent you from playing online, but that's no less true for console games which also receive such updates). You're just as misinformed as the last time I saw you spewing this drivel, and that was a couple years ago. At least get some new material.
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DPsx7
06/12/18 6:55:16 PM
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dragon504 posted...
DPsx7 posted...
man101 posted...
DPsx7 posted...
Consoles aren't infected with Steam though.


Yeah, having frequent sales of 50-90% off, freedom to access your games from any PC, and the ability to sell useless trading cards for additional store credit really blows.


Considering you're not getting a disc/case/manual, 90% off is only a fair price. Uh huh freedom. Including not being able to play online or at all because there's no off mode or a forced update. Why would you buy cards in the first place?

It's not worth the effort. You can't place Steam in a positive light. Tried it once and I haven't used a PC for gaming in 10+ years.


Uh, there's an offline mode for Steam and has been for a long time. Oh no an update, consoles would never make you wait to play a game if there was one of those.


There wasn't when I tried it. I can skip game updates you know. Only necessary if you go online.
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DPsx7
06/12/18 7:00:58 PM
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Krow_Incarnate posted...
DPsx7 posted...
Considering you're not getting a disc/case/manual, 90% off is only a fair price. Uh huh freedom. Including not being able to play online or at all because there's no off mode or a forced update. Why would you buy cards in the first place?

First off, you don't buy the cards. You get them free for playing games naturally.

Secondly, have you even read a manual since.... '08?

They're the most barebones pieces of shit ever. Manuals haven't been good since the PS2/NGC/OGXB era. Furthermore, discs are completely obsolete and redundant now. I'd be all for 100% physical copies of games, but now they only exist to install the game onto your HDD and ironically, as a form of DRM. Even though you have the game on your console's HDD, you can't play it without the disc unless you own the game digitally

I honestly don't know what you're talking about regarding not being able to play online or otherwise.


So like a copy of trophies...

When there is one I might flip through it. Do know that I buy some special editions so they aren't all a single slip of paper.

Wrong. They may install from the disc but that copy is mine. It can't be taken away if a license expires. Without discs you're paying too much for nothing. As bad as Steam is, there's a reason they have to sell games for 75% off.

Yeah typo. Should say offline. My internet went out for a couple days (it was new at the time) and Steam decided that I shouldn't be allowed to play HL2. Well, I decided Valve is no longer relevant to gaming. I only bought Portal 2 on PS3 because of a pricing error. Then made sure to play it offline just in case it 'phoned home'.
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DPsx7
06/12/18 7:05:56 PM
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adjl posted...
DPsx7 posted...
Including not being able to play online or at all because there's no off mode or a forced update.


Offline mode exists, and automatic updates can be disabled on a per-game basis (having an older version may prevent you from playing online, but that's no less true for console games which also receive such updates). You're just as misinformed as the last time I saw you spewing this drivel, and that was a couple years ago. At least get some new material.


Why? My experience didn't change and Valve should quit because of it. To unleash something so terrible on a platform that it becomes useless, inexcusable.

Then rather than answer my questions they claimed to close my account. Which is all the more surprising when a few years ago I got a note saying Valve changed the contact information on my account. Make a decision, you hopeless dumbasses.
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wwinterj25
06/12/18 7:11:39 PM
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Kyuubi4269
06/12/18 7:22:02 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
When there is one I might flip through it. Do know that I buy some special editions so they aren't all a single slip of paper.

Steam has special editions too with OSTs, artwork, etc., etc.

DPsx7 posted...
Wrong. They may install from the disc but that copy is mine. It can't be taken away if a license expires.

Yes it can. You may have the disc but the disc can be made to stop working in the only machine it works in by license expiry. That disc doesn't protect you from DRM.

DPsx7 posted...
Without discs you're paying too much for nothing. As bad as Steam is, there's a reason they have to sell games for 75% off.

The game functions the same with or without a disc, however Steam games are cheaper and the DRM is easier to get around (what with all the data being on your PC, not a copy-protected disc).

DPsx7 posted...
My internet went out for a couple days (it was new at the time) and Steam decided that I shouldn't be allowed to play HL2. Well, I decided Valve is no longer relevant to gaming.

My PS3 YLOD'd, so I decided Sony was no longer relevant to gaming. That makes just as much sense.
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Krow_Incarnate
06/12/18 7:36:35 PM
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Let's not get lost in the fact that PC =/= Steam
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DPsx7
06/12/18 8:03:55 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
DPsx7 posted...
When there is one I might flip through it. Do know that I buy some special editions so they aren't all a single slip of paper.

Steam has special editions too with OSTs, artwork, etc., etc.

DPsx7 posted...
Wrong. They may install from the disc but that copy is mine. It can't be taken away if a license expires.

Yes it can. You may have the disc but the disc can be made to stop working in the only machine it works in by license expiry. That disc doesn't protect you from DRM.

DPsx7 posted...
Without discs you're paying too much for nothing. As bad as Steam is, there's a reason they have to sell games for 75% off.

The game functions the same with or without a disc, however Steam games are cheaper and the DRM is easier to get around (what with all the data being on your PC, not a copy-protected disc).

DPsx7 posted...
My internet went out for a couple days (it was new at the time) and Steam decided that I shouldn't be allowed to play HL2. Well, I decided Valve is no longer relevant to gaming.

My PS3 YLOD'd, so I decided Sony was no longer relevant to gaming. That makes just as much sense.


Special editions, not discs and manuals. Kinda pointless really.

Don't talk if you have no clue. That disc is going to work on my console or any replacement console to install and play the game. Digital is the only way it can be stolen without it being my fault.

Steam games are not cheaper considering you're getting way less product with hours more hassle.

Hardware failure is usually your fault for not maintaining it. (Not all cases, don't get me wrong.) My internet went down through no fault of my own so why doesn't that game work offline? Because Steam, which ruined PC as a gaming platform. Similar to how the Wii brought non-gamers to consoles, Steam was invented for those who wanted their hands held. Those too lazy to install and update games on their own. Then it became invasive by searching the drive for more games, blocking use of purchased titles, and let's just say Steam is worse than all the microtransactions you could count.
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Veedrock-
06/12/18 8:15:55 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
Digital is the only way it can be stolen without it being my fault.

What.
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dragon504
06/12/18 8:18:41 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
Steam games are not cheaper considering you're getting way less product with hours more hassle.


lol, what

DPsx7 posted...
Hardware failure is usually your fault for not maintaining it. (Not all cases, don't get me wrong.) My internet went down through no fault of my own so why doesn't that game work offline? Because Steam, which ruined PC as a gaming platform. Similar to how the Wii brought non-gamers to consoles, Steam was invented for those who wanted their hands held. Those too lazy to install and update games on their own. Then it became invasive by searching the drive for more games, blocking use of purchased titles, and let's just say Steam is worse than all the microtransactions you could count.


what drugs are you on?
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dedbus
06/12/18 8:46:13 PM
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Don't you have to be online to turn on offline mode?
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helIy
06/12/18 8:47:09 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
Krow_Incarnate posted...
With that said, it's still redundant because of PC.

But so is Playstation. The fanboys won't like to hear that, though.


Consoles aren't infected with Steam though. Power isn't the #1 factor in a gaming platform.

oh man he's back

the steam hater guy is back
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DPsx7
06/12/18 8:53:31 PM
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Veedrock- posted...
DPsx7 posted...
Digital is the only way it can be stolen without it being my fault.

What.


Basically, any time I say discs are more reliable someone uses the excuse 'what if they're lost, broken, or stolen'. Those would be my fault for not being careful. On the other hand, any dimwit company who wants an extra buck could take back a digital release and you have nothing to say about it.

Maybe YOU haven't lost a digital game yet. We've seen games get delisted. PT vanished. It's the fact they have the ability to do it. And I like the collecting aspect too. I go all the way back to Atari.
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DPsx7
06/12/18 8:55:32 PM
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dedbus posted...
Don't you have to be online to turn on offline mode?


Clearly they don't have the brightest minds over there. Probably the same people who tell you to go online to report a power outage. Like duh...
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Krow_Incarnate
06/12/18 9:03:28 PM
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dedbus posted...
Don't you have to be online to turn on offline mode?

Nope, you can still login to Steam if you have no connection.
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Krow_Incarnate
06/12/18 9:04:11 PM
#32:


DPsx7 posted...
dedbus posted...
Don't you have to be online to turn on offline mode?


Clearly they don't have the brightest minds over there. Probably the same people who tell you to go online to report a power outage. Like duh...

You've been talking out of your ass for this entire thread, when you are clearly very misinformed.
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man101
06/13/18 4:57:13 PM
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This dude is just desperate to hate Steam for no reason and he's complaining about things that are either objectively better than consoles or he's making things up

DPsx7 posted...
On the other hand, any dimwit company who wants an extra buck could take back a digital release and you have nothing to say about it.

Maybe YOU haven't lost a digital game yet. We've seen games get delisted. PT vanished. It's the fact they have the ability to do it. And I like the collecting aspect too. I go all the way back to Atari.


No. You purchased the game and it belongs to you. That's the law. No company in history has ever had the legal right to take a product back from the buyer. The closest thing is recalls, which are only done because the product is deemed dangerous or faulty, and even then recalls aren't really mandatory, just a way of the company getting ahead of legal repercussions by acknowledging a problem. No one can come into your house or go on your computer and take something you have purchased.

Yes, Steam can remove a game from the listing so no new people can buy it, but people who already own it can still play it and reinstall it forever. That is entirely different from a game being taken away from you. Your entire argument is pulled directly from your butthole. So you like collecting? Fine. That doesn't mean Steam sucks. It means you prefer doing things the archaic way.
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SunWuKung420
06/13/18 5:07:18 PM
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The Xbox X is the donald trump of consoles.
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DPsx7
06/13/18 5:30:35 PM
#35:


Krow_Incarnate posted...
dedbus posted...
Don't you have to be online to turn on offline mode?

Nope, you can still login to Steam if you have no connection.


Oh the malware part of it started just fine. It was HL2 that wouldn't work. The reason I buy physical games is so they work when and where I want them do. This was the first and last time such a thing happened.
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DPsx7
06/13/18 5:33:12 PM
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Krow_Incarnate posted...
DPsx7 posted...
dedbus posted...
Don't you have to be online to turn on offline mode?


Clearly they don't have the brightest minds over there. Probably the same people who tell you to go online to report a power outage. Like duh...

You've been talking out of your ass for this entire thread, when you are clearly very misinformed.


Nope, not at all. I speak from experience. For those who use it, well, there's not a lot of positive things to say about them. The internet has plenty of examples proving kids with their Steam helper and cell phones are not a clever bunch.
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DPsx7
06/13/18 5:44:39 PM
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man101 posted...
This dude is just desperate to hate Steam for no reason and he's complaining about things that are either objectively better than consoles or he's making things up

DPsx7 posted...
On the other hand, any dimwit company who wants an extra buck could take back a digital release and you have nothing to say about it.

Maybe YOU haven't lost a digital game yet. We've seen games get delisted. PT vanished. It's the fact they have the ability to do it. And I like the collecting aspect too. I go all the way back to Atari.


No. You purchased the game and it belongs to you. That's the law. No company in history has ever had the legal right to take a product back from the buyer. The closest thing is recalls, which are only done because the product is deemed dangerous or faulty, and even then recalls aren't really mandatory, just a way of the company getting ahead of legal repercussions by acknowledging a problem. No one can come into your house or go on your computer and take something you have purchased.

Yes, Steam can remove a game from the listing so no new people can buy it, but people who already own it can still play it and reinstall it forever. That is entirely different from a game being taken away from you. Your entire argument is pulled directly from your butthole. So you like collecting? Fine. That doesn't mean Steam sucks. It means you prefer doing things the archaic way.


I have plenty of reasons, all true. Because of Steam PC's will never catch up with consoles again. Specs and graphics aren't as important as you think.

I know, because I bought the disc. The rights can't be sold and my game disabled remotely. There are no such protections with digital. As I said it may not have happened to you yet but we've seen enough to know they CAN do this. A disc at retail will drop in price months faster than anything digital online.

Oh it absolutely means Steam sucks as well as anyone ignorant enough to use it. Maybe you don't know or don't care what it's doing without your permission. Hell it's probably your parent's PC anyway. I won't say digital is useless as there is room for both. But going all digital is 100% wrong.
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adjl
06/13/18 5:53:15 PM
#38:


DPsx7 posted...
Why? My experience didn't change and Valve should quit because of it.


Because your experience is no longer in any way reflective of Steam's impact on PC's. A decade is a long time. Things have changed.

DPsx7 posted...
Wrong. They may install from the disc but that copy is mine. It can't be taken away if a license expires.


Wrong. Even with a physical copy, you are only licensing the game. You do not own the game in any way, and if the publisher had legal cause to do so, your license could legally be revoked, leaving you with a useless piece of plastic.

Now, the actual logistics of making that happen? It's not exactly practical. In practice, they're more likely to respond to you misusing the license by fining you. Legally, however, you have absolutely no right to the ownership of that game. Given your absurd paranoia regarding Steam, I'm surprised you haven't read more EULA's for the games you buy.

dedbus posted...
Don't you have to be online to turn on offline mode?


Not usually. You do have to go online every two weeks or something like that to maintain it, but if you, say, open your laptop in a place that doesn't have wifi and want to play a Steam game, you can activate it then.
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VixYW
06/13/18 6:02:13 PM
#39:


DPsx7 posted...
Power isn't the #1 factor in a gaming platform.

This. The Xbox One X power is wasted. Not to mention the name is ridiculous.

Also, I am more powerful than the Xbox One X as I am right now, and this isn't even my final form.

shadowsword87 posted...
magemaximus posted...
the power of the x keeps me up at night


Which "x"? There are three!
Three! Just imagine the power of three whole "x"s!

This one:
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/capcomdatabase/images/3/3e/MMXMHX.png/revision/latest?cb=20110508183107

dedbus posted...
Don't you have to be online to turn on offline mode?

Originally, no, and still shouldn't, but nowadays Steam just refuses to go offline and keep trying to connect for hours even if you have no internet connection.
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dragon504
06/13/18 6:05:18 PM
#40:


adjl posted...
Not usually. You do have to go online every two weeks or something like that to maintain it, but if you, say, open your laptop in a place that doesn't have wifi and want to play a Steam game, you can activate it then.


Pretty sure this is a myth.
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adjl
06/13/18 6:15:32 PM
#41:


dragon504 posted...
adjl posted...
Not usually. You do have to go online every two weeks or something like that to maintain it, but if you, say, open your laptop in a place that doesn't have wifi and want to play a Steam game, you can activate it then.


Pretty sure this is a myth.


It might be. I can't say I've ever actually tried to go more than two weeks without connecting a computer to the Internet, so I can't vouch for whether or not a check-in is needed.

VixYW posted...
Originally, no, and still shouldn't, but nowadays Steam just refuses to go offline and keep trying to connect for hours even if you have no internet connection.


I can't say that's been my experience. If I start up the computer without Internet, Steam will try to connect when it starts, but it offers to go online once that connection fails, and that's usually the end of it until my next restart.
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DPsx7
06/13/18 6:28:43 PM
#42:


adjl posted...
DPsx7 posted...
Why? My experience didn't change and Valve should quit because of it.


Because your experience is no longer in any way reflective of Steam's impact on PC's. A decade is a long time. Things have changed.

DPsx7 posted...
Wrong. They may install from the disc but that copy is mine. It can't be taken away if a license expires.


Wrong. Even with a physical copy, you are only licensing the game. You do not own the game in any way, and if the publisher had legal cause to do so, your license could legally be revoked, leaving you with a useless piece of plastic.

Now, the actual logistics of making that happen? It's not exactly practical. In practice, they're more likely to respond to you misusing the license by fining you. Legally, however, you have absolutely no right to the ownership of that game. Given your absurd paranoia regarding Steam, I'm surprised you haven't read more EULA's for the games you buy.

dedbus posted...
Don't you have to be online to turn on offline mode?


Not usually. You do have to go online every two weeks or something like that to maintain it, but if you, say, open your laptop in a place that doesn't have wifi and want to play a Steam game, you can activate it then.


Nobody has proven otherwise. They just claim you're offline and your games won't work. They won't improve anything.

I don't own the game in a sense that I can edit and resell. What I DO own is that specific copy to play when and where I want. License be damned, it's my copy on a read-only format. They can't do anything about it.

The ironic thing is you're preaching like you know anything about discs while also pretending Steam isn't trash. HL2 was the ONLY game I purchased that straight up told me I couldn't use it. Any other disc or cart, toss it in and it works. Because I was offline Steam was like 'go F yourself' when trying to load HL2. If this is what you're defending then you're a lunatic.

Online every 2 weeks huh? Funny 'cause I remember M$ trying to push 'always online' a few E3's ago. They got what they deserved and never recovered. If PC users were smart they'd dump the platform just the same.
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Kyuubi4269
06/13/18 6:52:36 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
License be damned, it's my copy on a read-only format. They can't do anything about it.

Do you think there's only the game on that read-only format? If the creator wants, your disc will read that it shouldn't be read and that's the end of your play time forever.

DPsx7 posted...
The ironic thing is you're preaching like you know anything about discs while also pretending Steam isn't trash. HL2 was the ONLY game I purchased that straight up told me I couldn't use it. Any other disc or cart, toss it in and it works. Because I was offline Steam was like 'go F yourself' when trying to load HL2. If this is what you're defending then you're a lunatic.

First of all, I doubt that's what it actually said, and secondly, that's one game out of fucking millions.

DPsx7 posted...
Online every 2 weeks huh? Funny 'cause I remember M$ trying to push 'always online' a few E3's ago. They got what they deserved and never recovered. If PC users were smart they'd dump the platform just the same.

Are you really implying that once a fortnight is comparable to persistence?
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adjl
06/13/18 6:57:07 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
Nobody has proven otherwise.


The fact that none of the people you've talked to have suffered the same problem since then should be proof enough, given that it's impossible to prove a negative. If I cared, I might record a video of me starting up HL2 without my computer exploding (I could even do it in offline mode), but you're really not worth that kind of effort.

DPsx7 posted...
License be damned, it's my copy on a read-only format. They can't do anything about it.


That's not what the EULA says. "License be damned" isn't really an attitude that would hold up in court, if it ever came to that. There's some debate about whether or not EULA's are actually enforceable, but that debate applies equally to both digital and physical copies. All that differs is how easy it is to enforce a license revocation.
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rexcrk
06/13/18 6:59:18 PM
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Muffinz0rz posted...
Couldn't sleep last night, was up thinking of how powerful the Xbox One X is
Typically I go to bed around 11 every night, so I'm well-rested and energized for work the next day.

Last night, I got into bed at 11 as usual, but when I closed my eyes, I just couldn't fall asleep. My mind was racing. The Xbox One X is not only the most powerful console ever created, but it is also the smallest console on the market.

I tossed and turned in bed. I could not get comfortable. How could I expect to just drift off to sleep knowing that this November, just 4 months from now,gamers will get to experience true raw power, right from their living rooms?

I called up my girlfriend, who goes to bed at 8pm (as women are wont to do). "Hey babe," I said. I could hear her shifting from her sleep. "I can't sleep. I keep thinking of how powerful Microsoft's latest console, the Xbox One X is. Never before has a home console been a 6 teraflop powerhouse before and contained 12GB of RAM."

"Babe," she said, "it's 11pm. I need my 16 hours of sleep so I can face a full day tomorrow of being indecisive about what I want to eat for every meal. Why are you so concerned with such raw power so late at night?"

I howled with disgust. "Woman, listen to me," I screamed into the phone. "It is not every day that such a powerful console comes out. There has never been a console with such speed, yet such elegance, and there never will be again, at least until Microsoft makes the next Xbox. If you cannot understand this situation then perhaps we should see other people."

With that, I hung up on my ex-girlfriend and chucked my iPhone across the room. It smashed against the wall and landed into a pile of my other broken iPhones. Now I am exhausted at work and the Xbox One X is still the most powerful and smallest console on the market.

This is so weird.
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man101
06/13/18 7:38:32 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
What I DO own is that specific copy to play when and where I want.


Sure, provided you bring along the specific console required for your game of choice and you have a tv with the proper input jacks to hook it up to, and the game hasn't degraded or broken like internal batteries and copper components do on some older cartridges.

Meanwhile I'll be sitting at any desktop or laptop on earth and all I need is my password and enough hard drive space and Steam will install the game and move my save files from the cloud. I've sat on many 4 hour bus rides with my laptop playing games from any number of old consoles via steam, all while offline. How horribly inconvenient.

Notice how literally everyone in this topic is on one side of the argument and you're on the other? That's usually an indication that you're wrong, or in this case, that your opinion is trash.
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snake_5036
06/13/18 7:39:58 PM
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Muffinz0rz posted...
Couldn't sleep last night, was up thinking of how powerful the Xbox One X is

I'm sorry TC but lmao

Funniest opening to a topic in awhile
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DPsx7
06/13/18 8:04:38 PM
#48:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
DPsx7 posted...
License be damned, it's my copy on a read-only format. They can't do anything about it.

Do you think there's only the game on that read-only format? If the creator wants, your disc will read that it shouldn't be read and that's the end of your play time forever.

DPsx7 posted...
The ironic thing is you're preaching like you know anything about discs while also pretending Steam isn't trash. HL2 was the ONLY game I purchased that straight up told me I couldn't use it. Any other disc or cart, toss it in and it works. Because I was offline Steam was like 'go F yourself' when trying to load HL2. If this is what you're defending then you're a lunatic.

First of all, I doubt that's what it actually said, and secondly, that's one game out of fucking millions.

DPsx7 posted...
Online every 2 weeks huh? Funny 'cause I remember M$ trying to push 'always online' a few E3's ago. They got what they deserved and never recovered. If PC users were smart they'd dump the platform just the same.

Are you really implying that once a fortnight is comparable to persistence?


You cannot change what's on the disc. Good gravy, has it been that long that you forgot everything? Steam has ruined you people. Master race my ass...

Well no it didn't use those words but that's what was implied. I wanted to play. Had no internet. HL2 refused to work at all which pissed me off. I even bought the disc to avoid the nonsense. Lesson was don't support Valve ever again. Ha I wish I had millions of games. Hundreds, maybe a thousand in the whole collection. HL2 was the sole problem.

Any kind of forced, repeated check in is bad for the market. Luckily the majority didn't stand for it. This is also why I say physical isn't going away anytime soon. It would be suicide for the platform to go digital. Ouya and PSP Go didn't thrive, XB was shot down. What more proof do you need? On top of that we're battling ISP's and their prices, caps, bandwidth. Games are getting more and more complicated. These things will never mesh together.
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DPsx7
06/13/18 8:10:54 PM
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adjl posted...
DPsx7 posted...
Nobody has proven otherwise.


The fact that none of the people you've talked to have suffered the same problem since then should be proof enough, given that it's impossible to prove a negative. If I cared, I might record a video of me starting up HL2 without my computer exploding (I could even do it in offline mode), but you're really not worth that kind of effort.

DPsx7 posted...
License be damned, it's my copy on a read-only format. They can't do anything about it.


That's not what the EULA says. "License be damned" isn't really an attitude that would hold up in court, if it ever came to that. There's some debate about whether or not EULA's are actually enforceable, but that debate applies equally to both digital and physical copies. All that differs is how easy it is to enforce a license revocation.


I think we've confirmed Steam users aren't that knowledgeable. They don't understand the problem.

They would literally need to come here and take the disc. That's the only way. An offline console certainly wouldn't know the difference. The license is just so you don't profit off their work. The hard copy will not be failing anytime soon.
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DPsx7
06/13/18 8:20:01 PM
#50:


man101 posted...
DPsx7 posted...
What I DO own is that specific copy to play when and where I want.


Sure, provided you bring along the specific console required for your game of choice and you have a tv with the proper input jacks to hook it up to, and the game hasn't degraded or broken like internal batteries and copper components do on some older cartridges.

Meanwhile I'll be sitting at any desktop or laptop on earth and all I need is my password and enough hard drive space and Steam will install the game and move my save files from the cloud. I've sat on many 4 hour bus rides with my laptop playing games from any number of old consoles via steam, all while offline. How horribly inconvenient.

Notice how literally everyone in this topic is on one side of the argument and you're on the other? That's usually an indication that you're wrong, or in this case, that your opinion is trash.


I have all that. Or portables for those cases when I don't have them.

Sounds an awful lot like you need internet or you get nothing. Yes, very inconvenient. I like my games to work and Steam prevents that. Or as an alternative I could set up emulators. Same thing without the malware.

What says YOU aren't all wrong? I won't underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. If I walked into a meeting of flat-earthers (Steam users) saying the planet is round (Steam sucks), I'd still be right even if I was the only one saying so.
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