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SmartMuffin
06/21/18 7:57:47 PM
#151:


http://www.espn.com/soccer/mexico/story/3536039/fifa-fines-mexico-federation-$10,000-for-chants-in-germany-match

lol @ this pointless virtue-signaling

they are not going to stop. good luck enforcing western standards of political correctness on drunken third-world hooligans.

(although to be fair, american hispanics also chant this at houston dynamo games, so whatever)
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SmartMuffin
06/21/18 8:02:08 PM
#152:


"Yes, we all know that it is not an anti-gay slur nor is it insulting. The intent is not to offend and it is meant to be teasing and part of Mexican folklore. But we also know that when we as Mexicans put our minds to something, we accomplish it. And I know that our Mexican fans in Russia will be abstaining from using this chant, correct?"


Although it's pretty interesting to know that the gays have more power than the Mexicans in the worldwide oppression olympics. Apparently "it's not offensive because it's part of our culture" didn't work as an argument.
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Panthera
06/21/18 8:08:13 PM
#153:


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again, this is a total demonization of democrats. you're making the completely baseless claim that democrats don't actually give a flying fuck about the well being of immigrants and are just looking for voting cattle.


My experience with politicians is they never give more of a fuck about anything than they do their own re-election campaign. Democrats aren't special in this regard. It's not exactly novel to point out that political parties tend to have campaign platforms and policies whose benefits will be felt most by their likely voters.

I don't think racism is magically a solved issue for left wing parties (it sure isn't here in Canada, which is part of why I feel the way I do, since I've heard the same kind of rhetoric and it hasn't been true at all). If immigrants voted Republican all the time, I somehow doubt there wouldn't be a fair number of Democrat politicians who decided they didn't want those (non-white) criminals coming into their country. And a fair number Republicans would suddenly not care about border security or the importance of following the legal process, because it would benefit them to shift principles.

I'm not saying there aren't Democrats who legitimately care for reasons of empathy and would regardless of the circumstances. Hell, there are plenty of Republicans who care about this, even some who are elected to government. But no matter the cause or issue, there are always going to be a fair number of people who value their overall agenda enough to turn a blind eye to just about anything that helps advance it.
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SmartMuffin
06/21/18 8:13:48 PM
#154:


Hell, there are plenty of Republicans who care about this, even some who are elected to government.


Wrong. The Republicans speaking out against this are also doing it because they think it'll help them get votes.
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Kenri
06/21/18 8:17:32 PM
#155:


SmartMuffin posted...
"Yes, we all know that it is not an anti-gay slur nor is it insulting. The intent is not to offend and it is meant to be teasing and part of Mexican folklore. But we also know that when we as Mexicans put our minds to something, we accomplish it. And I know that our Mexican fans in Russia will be abstaining from using this chant, correct?"


Although it's pretty interesting to know that the gays have more power than the Mexicans in the worldwide oppression olympics. Apparently "it's not offensive because it's part of our culture" didn't work as an argument.

Since you seem to be knowledgeable about this -- what part of Mexican folklore/culture is it from?
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SmartMuffin
06/21/18 8:19:19 PM
#156:


Since you seem to be knowledgeable about this -- what part of Mexican folklore/culture is it from?


I haven't a clue - I was just quoting from one of the Mexican players. Who am I, as a privileged white man, to pass judgment on his culture?
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MoogleKupo141
06/21/18 8:22:17 PM
#157:


Kenri posted...
SmartMuffin posted...
"Yes, we all know that it is not an anti-gay slur nor is it insulting. The intent is not to offend and it is meant to be teasing and part of Mexican folklore. But we also know that when we as Mexicans put our minds to something, we accomplish it. And I know that our Mexican fans in Russia will be abstaining from using this chant, correct?"


Although it's pretty interesting to know that the gays have more power than the Mexicans in the worldwide oppression olympics. Apparently "it's not offensive because it's part of our culture" didn't work as an argument.

Since you seem to be knowledgeable about this -- what part of Mexican folklore/culture is it from?


the homophobic part
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HotDogButts
06/21/18 8:29:59 PM
#158:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
another thing i love about the "DEMOCRATS JUST WANT TO BRING IN IMMIGRANTS TO VOTE FOR THEM OLOLO" nonsense is the implication that the democratic party is on the verge of falling apart and is desparately looking for voting cattle everywhere they can find it. like the US has exclusively had republican presidents for decades before trump or something. seems more like wishful thinking than anything.


Democrats haven't won the white vote in like 30 years or some shit. Don't quote me on the actual time frame, but it's been a long time. Open borders isn't wrong because of it, but the Dems pretty damn clearly pander to the hispanic/black/minority vote through their policy initiatives. You'd have to be blind not to see it. Sometimes it's good (open borders), sometimes it's bad (welfare state).
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Mr Lasastryke
06/21/18 8:32:51 PM
#159:


HotDogButts posted...
Open borders isn't wrong because of it, but the Dems pretty damn clearly pander to the hispanic/black/minority vote through their policy initiatives. You'd have to be blind not to see it.


so if hispanics/blacks/minorities overwhelmingly voted for the repubs, the dems would be the ones going "build the wall"?
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HotDogButts
06/21/18 8:35:05 PM
#160:


I would be surprised if the majority of them didn't have a change of opinion. Democrats didn't wake up in 2012 and suddenly start genuinely caring about gay people. They did so because it was finally in their political interests to do so.
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Kenri
06/21/18 8:39:12 PM
#161:


SmartMuffin posted...
Since you seem to be knowledgeable about this -- what part of Mexican folklore/culture is it from?


I haven't a clue - I was just quoting from one of the Mexican players. Who am I, as a privileged white man, to pass judgment on his culture?

You did anyway but more importantly, given you accepted his reasoning, I thought you might've looked into it. My bad!
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Jakyl25
06/21/18 8:52:17 PM
#162:


As someone who watches a lot of Lucha Libre, the chant to me has never come across as homophobic. It has always seemed to me like closest equivalent would be Americans calling someone a pussy, but without the awkward misogynism that comes with that because it doesnt directly translate to a slang term for female genitalia
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SmartMuffin
06/21/18 9:04:21 PM
#163:


Jakyl25 posted...
As someone who watches a lot of Lucha Libre, the chant to me has never come across as homophobic. It has always seemed to me like closest equivalent would be Americans calling someone a pussy, but without the awkward misogynism that comes with that because it doesnt directly translate to a slang term for female genitalia


I mean that's EXACTLY what it is. That's the translation.

SJWs insist that calling someone a pussy is, in fact, a gay/homophobic slur.
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Kenri
06/21/18 9:16:37 PM
#164:


I'm inclined to trust urban-dictionary (as an aggregate) over the dictionary definition of slang and almost all of them reference "male prostitute" and/or compare it to a slur. Many also note that it's only offensive in certain contexts, which I'd probably have guessed anyway given that we're even talking about this right now.

tl;dr: *shrug*
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MoogleKupo141
06/21/18 9:26:49 PM
#165:


https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5522856

this thing I read says

The noun 'puto' is defined as "Man who has copulation with a person of his sex

which sounds like a homophobic thing to call someone

most of the urban dictionary stuff I'm seeing is similar
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foolm0r0n
06/22/18 8:47:35 AM
#166:


SmartMuffin posted...
If the aliens promised to vote for Democrats at a 90% rate, they'd be welcomed with open arms, no questions asked.

Is this why eastern european immigrants are welcomed with open arms?
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foolm0r0n
06/22/18 8:47:59 AM
#167:


Also that tweet sounds like it's asking for Obama to come back and kill Trump
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CeraSeptem
06/22/18 9:51:02 AM
#168:


SmartMuffin posted...
Yeah, like Cubans!


https://s.abcnews.com/images/International/AP_elian_gonzales_raid_01_jef_150421_16x9_992.jpg

Is this supposed to some sort of counter point because not even I think you're dumb enough to think it is.
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Mr Lasastryke
06/22/18 10:42:52 AM
#169:


https://twitter.com/LevineJonathan/status/1008726102850797568

ann coulter is a person we should totally take seriously guys
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foolm0r0n
06/23/18 11:29:47 PM
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HotDogButts
06/24/18 9:10:45 AM
#171:


On the one hand I like it because business owners should be able to deny service to people they don't like, but on the other hand she's fat and a woman and they should both be protected classes.
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foolm0r0n
06/24/18 10:53:12 AM
#172:


If she was gay maybe
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Mr Lasastryke
06/24/18 12:24:42 PM
#173:


HotDogButts posted...
business owners should be able to deny service to people they don't like,


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrjwaqZfjIY" data-time="

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foolm0r0n
06/24/18 4:26:27 PM
#174:


https://www.wsj.com/articles/student-debt-forgiveness-is-a-wonderful-boon-until-the-irs-comes-calling-1529852411

TRAPPED

Justin Draeger, head of the National Association of Student Financial Aid Administrators, said when Congress passed the income-driven repayment program, the tax was likely an oversight

Yeahhh sureee
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SmartMuffin
06/24/18 5:44:53 PM
#175:


the tax was likely an oversight


xfd, that may be the single stupidest fucking phrase ive ever heard in my life
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SmartMuffin
06/24/18 5:48:00 PM
#176:


The tax bills are a feature of the income-driven repayment plans that have been offered by the Education Department since 2007. One version of these plans allows borrowers to set their monthly student-loan payments at 10% of their discretionary income. The balances often grow over time because the payments arent big enough to cover accruing interest.


And seriously, how shitty of a major/job do you have to have for 10% of your income to not be enough to offset the interest on your loans?

Just as an example, if you have a 100k loan balance and you get a 50k/yr job, that's 5k per year you're having to pay back, which would equal a 5% interest rate. So basically, people in this situation either have loan balances over 100k and/or jobs paying less than 50k.
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Jakyl25
06/24/18 5:53:09 PM
#177:


SmartMuffin posted...

And seriously, how s***ty of a major/job do you have to have for 10% of your income to not be enough to offset the interest on your loans?



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SmartMuffin
06/24/18 7:09:47 PM
#178:


Jakyl25 posted...
SmartMuffin posted...

And seriously, how s***ty of a major/job do you have to have for 10% of your income to not be enough to offset the interest on your loans?




yes, it does occur to me that "english major followed by substitute mailman job" would, in fact, be a proper use case for this scenario

but im at least assuming you went to a crummy state school and not some dumb fake-elite private school, right?
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Jakyl25
06/24/18 7:13:55 PM
#179:


Private Catholic school, actually

http://sienaheights.edu/
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SmartMuffin
06/24/18 7:27:25 PM
#180:


https://twitter.com/johnfund/status/1011022725706665984

the democrats are overplaying their hand here

this is going to backfire on them in a major way and be a winning issue for Trump (again)
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Jakyl25
06/24/18 7:52:46 PM
#181:


Only 4% want the Trump solution though
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SmartMuffin
06/24/18 8:28:20 PM
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SmartMuffin
06/24/18 8:30:26 PM
#183:


https://twitter.com/RichLowry/status/1011012479059726336

slight majority thinking the wall is a good idea shocks even me
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Mr Lasastryke
06/24/18 8:32:24 PM
#184:


SmartMuffin posted...
slight majority thinking the wall is a good idea shocks even me


why do you think trump won? the wall was like the one thing he was consistent about throughout the entirety of the campaign.
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foolm0r0n
06/24/18 11:46:29 PM
#185:


SmartMuffin posted...
So basically, people in this situation either have loan balances over 100k and/or jobs paying less than 50k.

I think both these numbers are very average and likely
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foolm0r0n
06/24/18 11:47:36 PM
#186:


SmartMuffin posted...
https://twitter.com/RichLowry/status/1011012479059726336

slight majority thinking the wall is a good idea shocks even me

I appreciate the 19% who just want to do shit knowing it's definitely not gonna work
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SmartMuffin
06/25/18 3:00:50 PM
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foolm0r0n
06/25/18 3:05:27 PM
#188:


Progressive gay women should be the ones ordering SWAT raids and drone strikes on children

^imagine a bunch of clap emojis in between
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Mr Lasastryke
06/25/18 4:58:38 PM
#189:


muffin in 2018: "the gov't can kill people in their homes or shut down barbecues in the park or stop 8 year olds from selling water on the sidewalk, as long as they do hilarious stuff like throwing starburst at merkel"
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Mr Lasastryke
06/25/18 5:00:15 PM
#190:


(also lol @ murphy for equating killing people to stopping 8 year olds from selling water on the sidewalk)
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HotDogButts
06/25/18 5:06:19 PM
#191:


The sad thing is most people think it's more ridiculous to stop 8 year olds from selling water than all the government sanctioned murder, so I support his examples.
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SmartMuffin
06/25/18 6:03:51 PM
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Mr Lasastryke
06/25/18 6:14:39 PM
#193:


lol breitbart
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foolm0r0n
06/25/18 6:39:39 PM
#194:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
muffin in 2018: "the gov't can kill people in their homes or shut down barbecues in the park or stop 8 year olds from selling water on the sidewalk, as long as they do hilarious stuff like throwing starburst at merkel"

No it's all about whether a pepe meme was made about it
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foolm0r0n
06/25/18 6:41:41 PM
#195:


SmartMuffin posted...
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/06/22/report-tesla-plans-to-close-a-dozen-solar-facilities-across-nine-states/

Let's see if the free market bails them out with billions of dollars like it did the auto and coal industries
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HotDogButts
06/25/18 7:18:45 PM
#196:


SmartMuffin posted...
http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/06/22/report-tesla-plans-to-close-a-dozen-solar-facilities-across-nine-states/


Yeah, my roommate works for SolarCity/Tesla and work has been in steady decline from him ever since Tesla bought them out, but it also already seems like they have a shortage of people. Really don't know what's going on with them. He gets maybe a job a day, goes and spends a couple hours there, and then bills them for an 8 hour day... apparently that's standard protocol for their employees. But they've been cutting benefits and bonuses over the last year. Then all of a sudden they have no employees to work jobs in Florida or Maryland, etc, and they send guys out of state for weeks at a time, paying for their housing/food/etc. The SolarCity part of their business just sounds awful from everything I hear from him.
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SmartMuffin
06/25/18 7:28:43 PM
#197:


https://twitter.com/theintercept/status/1011347909470752768

This is actually pretty cool. Trump may not be shaking people's faith in the government and in democracy in general, but maybe he's gonna get us to a place where people start to believe in the freedom of association again.

Although the smarter ones are definitely already caveating with "yeah but you still can't do it to PROTECTED GROUPS"
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Mr Lasastryke
06/25/18 7:29:53 PM
#198:


SmartMuffin posted...
Trump may not be shaking people's faith in the government and in democracy in general,


whoa who are you and why are you posting on muffin's account
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SmartMuffin
06/25/18 7:32:32 PM
#199:


Mr Lasastryke posted...
SmartMuffin posted...
Trump may not be shaking people's faith in the government and in democracy in general,


whoa who are you and why are you posting on muffin's account


hes not tho

I mean, that was the great libertarian hope, and foolmo keeps acting like it will happen, but it just isn't.

The react to Trump has absolutely not been, "Gee, I guess the government should have less power and we shouldn't pick who is in charge with a giant popularity contest."

It has been "Trump is an evil Nazi and as soon as we get him out of office everything will be better, and he only won because of Facebook and Putin and Comey anyway so if we just fix those things elections are fine too."
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Jakyl25
06/25/18 7:33:30 PM
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And on the other side the reaction has been He clearly needs more power.
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